The road was planned and started long before the suggestion of a toll was raised, its a replacement for an old road that failed due to years of neglect and under funding from EVERY previous government, why wasn't Transmission Gully tolled? Because most of the people who work at NZTA and Parliament travel it twice a day...
The locals are just being selfish. This government has made it their mission to eliminate landlord poverty. Imagine the warmvfeeling they would get knowing a poor landlord can still afford their mid winter fiji holiday.
Every business puts their costs like depreciation of plant, interest on money as cost against tax. This has always been like that, for one interest on money doesn't mean added value as money is always depreciating, however, the costs for running a business have an amount of deductibility. Robertson reversed this for people renting out property only. If this were the case for all business types, then it would be an even playing field, BUT, business would not and could not function and eventually you wouldn't have a job. Nothing lasts, requires maintenance and new replacement plant etc and this act keeps the economy going. It is not a tax break. What isn't fair, is that if you put money in the bank, you get taxed upon your interest gained. If your favourable interest equals inflation, you have not increased that wealth, but just kept afloat, but you have been charged tax upon your money of which you have already paid tax and therefore are double dipped and now, you actually have less in the bank. Businesses cannot operate like this.
@@raywheeler3135 On 28 March 2024, the New Zealand government (the “Government”) enacted the removal of tax depreciation deductions of industrial and commercial buildings.8 May 2024 In Brief Tax depreciation removal - PwC New Zealand PwC New Zealand
@@Mcfreddo Well that is a long winded way to say you don't understand how rentals are not like any other business and the major effects they have on the residential housing market.
@@sweetybnz7482you don’t understand that rentals are a business and as such should be covered just like all other businesses. What you also have forgotten is that with the introduction of the tax deductibility that a large number of landlords took their properties of the market and put them on the Air BnB market hence why rental property availability reduced and rents went up. That is what the government of the time was warned of however they ignored the advice and look what happened.
If you can afford to pay to travel on a toll road, you will save time, fuel, vehicle maintenance, etc; you're getting benefits that will hopefully offset the cost of the toll, so you potentially break even. But if you can not afford to travel on a toll road, all the savings for those that can afford the toll, now become a liability for those that can not. It'll take longer and cost more in fuel and maintenance, etc, to travel between the same two locations. What toll roads and user-pays does, is increase the gap between the "haves" and "have-nots". Aka, the poor get poorer, and the rich get richer. A good society is one where everyone is given the same opportunities to prosper, not one that creates obstacles for its vulnerable members. Pooling our resources through a fair tax system that benefits everyone, is how we enable the "have-nots" a fighting chance to become the "haves".
I have avoided toll roads, especially near Tauranga. In fact I will probably never bother to drive in the North Island again. The rule, up until now, was that where there is a toll road there would be an alternative toll-free option. Has this rule been changed? Remember this is a replacement for the old gorge road that was not tolled. The new road will be a vital artery between Tararua and the Manawatu.
Pay tolls for a replacement road, pay maintenance for the old road, pay for going the long increased-petrol way, pay to fight arrogant government threats, hit so often for the sins of filthy rich Aucklanders and the parties they elected... pay pay pay. To justify being elected, the bottom 2/3rds of the nation need to transfer billions to the North, by not having a promised Dunedin Hospital, by less Public services and employees, by trashing the Ferries, by toll roads, by whatever means that equal at least $1 billion in quick dollars for rich people upstairs.
The north and auckland subsidies the rest of the country. Dunedin hospital should be built, Nats are clearly not caring about the people that they're not, but paying for roads with tolls is good! Alternative is everyone paying for a service we shouldn't be incentivizing
Definitely, I am leaving in Auckland, from last ten years from John KEY government his intention to build Auckland like Singapore or Vancouver or Sydney with 10 million people build up the wealthy of richest Auckland elite, has we've all know Auckland is the super city of nz, if see Auckland development exactly like Hong Kong and Singapore more landlord included the current prime Minister and his Minister, they reward them self in the moment they become a gvt/ John KEY intention nz population should 15 million, then become another Asian third world country to serve the elite individuals investment, while the rest of the country is living out to fend themselves with less development or no development at all/ promise after promise, but only lips services/ bring one billionaire person just to buying big lands in rural areas and leave idle, then suddenly the billionaire resell the investment without any development or any job opportunities for the community, they don't worry at all, has long has been in the gvt to fill their pockets and enjoy living in expensive hotel on they overseas trips in the expenses of the taxpayers money. Excessive cut both gvt spending and the public service employees/ but no gvt business infrastructure to create jobs opportunities to replace many public sectors and many construction went out of business and the prime Minister and his deputies to busy to attend united national meeting out of the expenses of the taxpayers/ well the bunches of freeloader in the expenses of many rural areas and the out sketch of the country...
Protest as hard as you can. You have already paid for that roading. Don't pay twice for the same thing. Successive goverments since Muldoon days have collected money from New Zealander's under the guise of fuel tax for roading in NZ. For many years AA would report in it's magazine how much more money was collected than how much was spen Usually this amounted to around $650 million each year. A lot of money when a new house then cost $15 to $20 thousand. Or a gallon of petrol was $1. That is about 22 cents per litre. Where did the excess money go? Where is it still going? I would be more inclined towards paying a toll if I was not already paying 10 to 15 cents toll for every kilometer I drive. And of course a little transparency from the government would help.Where does our road tax get spent?
Its the first step to privatization. A pretty penny can be obtained from selling the roads and future income stream. Keep an eye out for Transurban execs visiting Wellington. You voted for this Govt. Accept the outcome!
$4.30 each way = $8.60 per day * 5 days a week = $43 * 48 weeks per year = $2,064 / $85,000 (average income) = 2.43% of wages. For an ordinary MP = $2,064 / $168,600 = 1.22% of wages & for Luxon $2,064 / $471,049 = 0.44 of his wage. Funding national infrastructure through user pays is a major cost that hurts the poor who are already struggling to pay the bills but is a minor inconvenience to the wealthy. And saying the toll is to pay for the construction & maintenance of the road is the same a government saying the superfund is to pay retiree yet is pillaged to pay other bills leaving it short of the money to pay out at 65 so they want to slowly increase it to 68 to 70 to 75 then till we die. Next will be user pay health care like the US
New Zealand; first world aspirations on a third world budget. Where is the money? Show me the money? Where are we going to get the money to build schools, hospitals, roads?
A frequent traveler hardship box. They know the road will pay big time so should give us half a year free. They should if they think. For some who pay a lot .
crazy to me these farming communities continually vote national. When they dont actually ever care about them. Same with small businesses... this is the govt for rich white aucklanders and no one else
The region actually voted Labour election before last and Keiran Mcnaulty let us down..... so we voted for Mike this time. Mike better play his cards right or he will follow the same fate as Keiran did.
We Aucklanders either pay to go north or we take the old alternative slower route north. Seems fair, don't hear much complaining. I personally go slow because it's empty now. By far, the majority seem to prefer to pay. And l use the slow road because it's far more beautiful and better for my mental health.
@laurencaseley5355 Whether national roads are built or not is a Wellington decision. After years of labour affiliated councils, Auckland is sinking in debt and huge rates. Like the rest of the country, your supposed gateway is falling to bits. Overspend, avoid decisions for years, and end up in the ka ka. We have new build communities, thousands of poor sods paid to live in them, and more being built, have no sewage pipes. Like in the 3rd world, tankers come daily, take your nasties away, stink to high heaven. Developers are looking at council for infrastructure. For deprevation, come and look at south and parts of west auckland.
NZers already pay for roads at the petrol pump. We pay about 50- 60 cents in taxes per litre. That money gets lost in the consolidated fund that goes to pay for our over populated parliament and debt.
The worst aspect of Tolls on roads is how inefficient this tax is: 2/3rds of the money collected disappears in "administration charges" which is in reality pure profits for the private companies running these scams
Toll roads are everywhere in Australia, bought in by Conservative govts,Toll companies now have 20,30,40yr contracts, with annual increases, eg:Melbourne started with $2 charges over a decade ago for off and on every Kilometre,meaning every Kilometre another $2 ,now its nearly $5 per Kilometre, traffic jams in side streets (called rat runs) are now the norm,locals are not happy !!😢😢
I wonder how many voted for the government we have now on the basis of quality and one law for all. Not equity. See now we see the flaws in equality thinking where in reality its a user pay system and if you can't afford it well too bad the government never promised you quality just for existing. You see, inequity affects everyone but the government's mates.
While labour may have overspent its a year since election,now let me list The achievements 1 No decision on Interisland Ferrirs 2 Millions being spent on a Treaty Bill by ACT that is going anywhere.3 Millions gifted to Landlords 4 3:584:02 Unemployment growing daily 3:283:34? 3:40
They overspent by 10's of billions which is why this government is having such a hard time fixing the mess and division created. Achievements - school curriculum being fixed, roads repaired, actually trying to deal with criminals instead of paying them. All while putting up with corrupt media and woke nonsense from people playing victim.
You are wrong about landlords being handed millions of dollars. All other businesses ( except landlords) can put their mortgage interest costs against the cost of running their operation. So what is different for landlords? Note: I rent, and my landlord held the rent for two years, which we much appreciate.
We pay loads in Rates, Tax and then the unqualified Government, Councils pore it down the drain. This country has gas, oil, minerals, agriculture. And basically where does all the money go. Speaking to the old folk the Americans in the 2nd world war offered to build a new road through that gorge again the Government did take up the offer back then.....muppetry after muppetry. No long term planning
The road is flash and fit for many types of transport. The old one was a death trap waiting to happen. A tiny charge would be feasabile in terms of payinv it of. A few open days for races at cost, an entry fee and some prizes. Electric bikes,cars of lower cc,bikes, runners etc.
I am for tolls on new roads aa long as thet are affordable and there is a non toll road available that is actually safe to use. Tolls over $3.50 for a car per way with less than 3km is NOT affordable, $3.50 for upto 10 km is affordable... There needs to be a amount that is apparently used.. Second option is a must....
The trouble with tolling in New Zealand is greed. Land transport showing its profits to justify itself. Charging fifty cents per vehicle indefinitely would maintain the roads by the shear amount of traffic using it. This is a fair trade off. The failure of New Zealand is it is always all or nothing.
Hey mate gotta get the riff raff off my new shiny efficient road, make room for my shiny million horsepower umpteen ton SUV(sarcasm). Never mind it's been built with general tax revenue. I agree with other's that the privatization of NZ is underway.
Simeon needs to study the History of France 1769-1789. Twenty years prelude to revolution. One of the main issues is has an arrangement and toll for Fonterras large and fast rigs to use the Toll.road. is it yet determined the percentage of the toll paid by the owner driver and secondly Fonterra. Is it agreed that the Fonterra rigs will actually use the new road With changes thru Adhurst,.clearance of a few buildings in Adhurst the old route might still be highly negotiable by large heavy rigs.
A toll of $4 is less than a commuter in Wellington pays for a one way bus / train trip into the CBD, so it is comparable with what other people around the country pay every single day to get where they need to. We need alternative revenue streams to fund the infrastructure this country desparately needs. No one is forcing people to use the toll road. They can continue to use the alternative Saddle Road if they find the toll so morally objectionable, which will be far safer once the large trucks are off the road. My guess is that they will pay the toll because of the convenience. The community opposition to the toll smacks of typical nimbyism ("it is OK to toll other roads, just not the ones that I use").
WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS. It has been known for years the old road would eventually CLOSE. So they should have BUDGETED FOR THE NEW ROAD. Governments lack of previous action has bought the old road to a close. NOT OUR FAULT. WE PAAAAYYYYY OUR ROAD TAXES. Do the job you are supposed to do look after the infrastructure. WE'VE PAID.
Hold up. They’re putting a toll road on a new road? Why do people care that it’s being tolled? The new road likely wouldn’t exist if they weren’t going to toll it.
The road was planned and started long before the suggestion of a toll was raised, its a replacement for an old road that failed due to years of neglect and under funding from EVERY previous government, why wasn't Transmission Gully tolled?
What are you talking about? No tolls were planned until this government needed to balance its budget and pay for billions in tax cuts for the rich and interest deductions for landlord.
We have been paying large amounts of petrol tax for decades to build and maintain the roading system. The roads have never been "for free". The government needs to crack down on the outrageous exorbitant profits the road building companies charge whenever the contract is for a 'government project'!
At the end of the day. Your community want a new road then someone has to pay for it!! How do you get to provide this money? Labour has overspend on everything!! So what is the answer. Sop the work on the road!! What is the answer
A lack of toll roads is why the government can’t afford to maintain any of our infrastructure. The Remutaka road was free and they couldn’t afford to maintain it. The saddle is free and they can’t afford to maintain it. Te Ahu a Turanga (new road) is twice the size of the saddle, they need tolls to pay for it.
People want better infrastructure but also refuse to pay for it. NZ is out of touch with the rest of the world. In Australia, far more complex projects are delivered and paid for quickly through tolls. Large parts of the NZ population whinge about hospitals, roads being stuck in the 1950s but also don't want to pay a cent for it. Clueless. Edit: anyone who doesn't want to use toll roads does not have to. Its not as though anyone will be forced to use it.
I agree but you missed the point They have been waiting forever and was never supposed to be tolled and they are sort of forced as the alternate route is not a real road .
@@annahouston9528 True.. we need to live within our means.. but that doesn’t mean that residents of a region need to travel on roads that are not safe/ permanent…, we are one nation..
The road was planned and started long before the suggestion of a toll was raised, its a replacement for an old road that failed due to years of neglect and under funding from EVERY previous government, why wasn't Transmission Gully tolled? Because most of the people who work at NZTA and Parliament travel it twice a day...
Ha ha that's funny
Good luck guys, I'm rooting for you!!!
The locals are just being selfish. This government has made it their mission to eliminate landlord poverty. Imagine the warmvfeeling they would get knowing a poor landlord can still afford their mid winter fiji holiday.
Every business puts their costs like depreciation of plant, interest on money as cost against tax. This has always been like that, for one interest on money doesn't mean added value as money is always depreciating, however, the costs for running a business have an amount of deductibility. Robertson reversed this for people renting out property only. If this were the case for all business types, then it would be an even playing field, BUT, business would not and could not function and eventually you wouldn't have a job. Nothing lasts, requires maintenance and new replacement plant etc and this act keeps the economy going.
It is not a tax break.
What isn't fair, is that if you put money in the bank, you get taxed upon your interest gained. If your favourable interest equals inflation, you have not increased that wealth, but just kept afloat, but you have been charged tax upon your money of which you have already paid tax and therefore are double dipped and now, you actually have less in the bank. Businesses cannot operate like this.
@@Mcfreddo Rubbish. Get your facts right. It was John Key and Bill English that removed the ability to apply depreciation against a rental property.
@@raywheeler3135 On 28 March 2024, the New Zealand government (the “Government”) enacted the removal of tax depreciation deductions of industrial and commercial buildings.8 May 2024
In Brief Tax depreciation removal - PwC New Zealand
PwC New Zealand
@@Mcfreddo Well that is a long winded way to say you don't understand how rentals are not like any other business and the major effects they have on the residential housing market.
@@sweetybnz7482you don’t understand that rentals are a business and as such should be covered just like all other businesses. What you also have forgotten is that with the introduction of the tax deductibility that a large number of landlords took their properties of the market and put them on the Air BnB market hence why rental property availability reduced and rents went up. That is what the government of the time was warned of however they ignored the advice and look what happened.
They're going ahead with toll whether we like it or not😒👎
If you can afford to pay to travel on a toll road, you will save time, fuel, vehicle maintenance, etc; you're getting benefits that will hopefully offset the cost of the toll, so you potentially break even.
But if you can not afford to travel on a toll road, all the savings for those that can afford the toll, now become a liability for those that can not.
It'll take longer and cost more in fuel and maintenance, etc, to travel between the same two locations.
What toll roads and user-pays does, is increase the gap between the "haves" and "have-nots".
Aka, the poor get poorer, and the rich get richer.
A good society is one where everyone is given the same opportunities to prosper, not one that creates obstacles for its vulnerable members.
Pooling our resources through a fair tax system that benefits everyone, is how we enable the "have-nots" a fighting chance to become the "haves".
I have avoided toll roads, especially near Tauranga. In fact I will probably never bother to drive in the North Island again. The rule, up until now, was that where there is a toll road there would be an alternative toll-free option. Has this rule been changed?
Remember this is a replacement for the old gorge road that was not tolled. The new road will be a vital artery between Tararua and the Manawatu.
Tauranga is worst hit, 2 tolls and another planned
Pay tolls for a replacement road, pay maintenance for the old road, pay for going the long increased-petrol way, pay to fight arrogant government threats, hit so often for the sins of filthy rich Aucklanders and the parties they elected... pay pay pay.
To justify being elected, the bottom 2/3rds of the nation need to transfer billions to the North, by not having a promised Dunedin Hospital, by less Public services and employees, by trashing the Ferries, by toll roads, by whatever means that equal at least $1 billion in quick dollars for rich people upstairs.
The north and auckland subsidies the rest of the country. Dunedin hospital should be built, Nats are clearly not caring about the people that they're not, but paying for roads with tolls is good! Alternative is everyone paying for a service we shouldn't be incentivizing
Definitely, I am leaving in Auckland, from last ten years from John KEY government his intention to build Auckland like Singapore or Vancouver or Sydney with 10 million people build up the wealthy of richest Auckland elite, has we've all know Auckland is the super city of nz, if see Auckland development exactly like Hong Kong and Singapore more landlord included the current prime Minister and his Minister, they reward them self in the moment they become a gvt/ John KEY intention nz population should 15 million, then become another Asian third world country to serve the elite individuals investment, while the rest of the country is living out to fend themselves with less development or no development at all/ promise after promise, but only lips services/ bring one billionaire person just to buying big lands in rural areas and leave idle, then suddenly the billionaire resell the investment without any development or any job opportunities for the community, they don't worry at all, has long has been in the gvt to fill their pockets and enjoy living in expensive hotel on they overseas trips in the expenses of the taxpayers money. Excessive cut both gvt spending and the public service employees/ but no gvt business infrastructure to create jobs opportunities to replace many public sectors and many construction went out of business and the prime Minister and his deputies to busy to attend united national meeting out of the expenses of the taxpayers/ well the bunches of freeloader in the expenses of many rural areas and the out sketch of the country...
Protest as hard as you can. You have already paid for that roading. Don't pay twice for the same thing.
Successive goverments since Muldoon days have collected money from New Zealander's under the guise of fuel tax for roading in NZ.
For many years AA would report in it's magazine how much more money was collected than how much was spen
Usually this amounted to around $650 million each year.
A lot of money when a new house then cost $15 to $20 thousand.
Or a gallon of petrol was $1. That is about 22 cents per litre.
Where did the excess money go? Where is it still going?
I would be more inclined towards paying a toll if I was not already paying 10 to 15 cents toll for every kilometer I drive.
And of course a little transparency from the government would help.Where does our road tax get spent?
Its the first step to privatization. A pretty penny can be obtained from selling the roads and future income stream. Keep an eye out for Transurban execs visiting Wellington.
You voted for this Govt.
Accept the outcome!
$4.30 each way = $8.60 per day * 5 days a week = $43 * 48 weeks per year = $2,064 / $85,000 (average income) = 2.43% of wages. For an ordinary MP = $2,064 / $168,600 = 1.22% of wages & for Luxon $2,064 / $471,049 = 0.44 of his wage. Funding national infrastructure through user pays is a major cost that hurts the poor who are already struggling to pay the bills but is a minor inconvenience to the wealthy. And saying the toll is to pay for the construction & maintenance of the road is the same a government saying the superfund is to pay retiree yet is pillaged to pay other bills leaving it short of the money to pay out at 65 so they want to slowly increase it to 68 to 70 to 75 then till we die. Next will be user pay health care like the US
New Zealand; first world aspirations on a third world budget.
Where is the money? Show me the money? Where are we going to get the money to build schools, hospitals, roads?
@@TheEnzedone Progressive Taxing system
A frequent traveler hardship box.
They know the road will pay big time so should give us half a year free.
They should if they think.
For some who pay a lot .
We don’t have enough money so we need to toll
crazy to me these farming communities continually vote national. When they dont actually ever care about them. Same with small businesses... this is the govt for rich white aucklanders and no one else
yeah damn white people...
Racist pillock
The region actually voted Labour election before last and Keiran Mcnaulty let us down..... so we voted for Mike this time. Mike better play his cards right or he will follow the same fate as Keiran did.
We Aucklanders either pay to go north or we take the old alternative slower route north. Seems fair, don't hear much complaining. I personally go slow because it's empty now. By far, the majority seem to prefer to pay. And l use the slow road because it's far more beautiful and better for my mental health.
Thing is, there is no alternative for this community. This is to fix a broken road
@myke29 Ha. That is rock and hard place.
Auckland in comparison to this community has the money to do that, did you not hear the local say this is the most deprived area
@laurencaseley5355 Whether national roads are built or not is a Wellington decision. After years of labour affiliated councils, Auckland is sinking in debt and huge rates. Like the rest of the country, your supposed gateway is falling to bits. Overspend, avoid decisions for years, and end up in the ka ka. We have new build communities, thousands of poor sods paid to live in them, and more being built, have no sewage pipes. Like in the 3rd world, tankers come daily, take your nasties away, stink to high heaven. Developers are looking at council for infrastructure. For deprevation, come and look at south and parts of west auckland.
@@dossnone4554 You mean the routes that are extremely unsafe?
NZers already pay for roads at the petrol pump. We pay about 50- 60 cents in taxes per litre. That money gets lost in the consolidated fund that goes to pay for our over populated parliament and debt.
@nzqanda can you do an interview with Shane Reti/Chris Bishop/Nicola Willis over the Dunedin Hospital cuts please
The worst aspect of Tolls on roads is how inefficient this tax is: 2/3rds of the money collected disappears in "administration charges" which is in reality pure profits for the private companies running these scams
Toll roads are everywhere in Australia, bought in by Conservative govts,Toll companies now have 20,30,40yr contracts, with annual increases, eg:Melbourne started with $2 charges over a decade ago for off and on every Kilometre,meaning every Kilometre another $2 ,now its nearly $5 per Kilometre, traffic jams in side streets (called rat runs) are now the norm,locals are not happy !!😢😢
And yet Europe is fine with tolls.
IIRC there is a ~$60 toll road in Tokyo
I wonder how many voted for the government we have now on the basis of quality and one law for all. Not equity. See now we see the flaws in equality thinking where in reality its a user pay system and if you can't afford it well too bad the government never promised you quality just for existing. You see, inequity affects everyone but the government's mates.
sadly our heartland communities are at the forefront of austerity after voting for the current government.
It will end up in rates. That's how it always works.
As a Jaffa, I’m getting super tired of this government beating on the regions
You mean the last wasteful government who has sent us all broke.
Give the residents of Woodville and Ashurst a free pass
While labour may have overspent its a year since election,now let me list The achievements 1 No decision on Interisland Ferrirs 2 Millions being spent on a Treaty Bill by ACT that is going anywhere.3 Millions gifted to Landlords 4 3:58 4:02 Unemployment growing daily 3:28 3:34? 3:40
May have overspent? 😂
They overspent by 10's of billions which is why this government is having such a hard time fixing the mess and division created. Achievements - school curriculum being fixed, roads repaired, actually trying to deal with criminals instead of paying them. All while putting up with corrupt media and woke nonsense from people playing victim.
What proof is there that Labour overspend? People forget the COVID years and the cost of keeping business going memories are very short
You are wrong about landlords being handed millions of dollars. All other businesses ( except landlords) can put their mortgage interest costs against the cost of running their operation. So what is different for landlords?
Note: I rent, and my landlord held the rent for two years, which we much appreciate.
How most politician's solve problems more"TAX",no sweat to travel over seas & give millions $ away 🖍️
A realistic alternative
We pay loads in Rates, Tax and then the unqualified Government, Councils pore it down the drain. This country has gas, oil, minerals, agriculture. And basically where does all the money go. Speaking to the old folk the Americans in the 2nd world war offered to build a new road through that gorge again the Government did take up the offer back then.....muppetry after muppetry. No long term planning
You’re Damned if you do Pay the Toll you’re damned if you don’t Lost Me
The road is flash and fit for many types of transport.
The old one was a death trap waiting to happen.
A tiny charge would be feasabile in terms of payinv it of.
A few open days for races at cost, an entry fee and some prizes.
Electric bikes,cars of lower cc,bikes, runners etc.
Have tolls by all means. I just wonder why we have a toll on a road just because it was built last?
Greed
Yep the last government sure was. Very wasteful too.
Old mayor of tauranga Noel pope charged locals 120 million for a $20 million bridge ..go figure still happening
I am for tolls on new roads aa long as thet are affordable and there is a non toll road available that is actually safe to use.
Tolls over $3.50 for a car per way with less than 3km is NOT affordable, $3.50 for upto 10 km is affordable...
There needs to be a amount that is apparently used..
Second option is a must....
We love it when some one else pays perhaps community services card holders should get a free pass or half price problem solved
The trouble with tolling in New Zealand is greed. Land transport showing its profits to justify itself.
Charging fifty cents per vehicle indefinitely would maintain the roads by the shear amount of traffic using it. This is a fair trade off.
The failure of New Zealand is it is always all or nothing.
So this government doesn’t even take submissions and advice so as soon as it goes to cabinet it will go through
$4.30 a bit steep. But the toll is a good idea. Everytime we go to akland .we pay. That section is pay for itself.now is covering the next section..
Hey mate gotta get the riff raff off my new shiny efficient road, make room for my shiny million horsepower umpteen ton SUV(sarcasm). Never mind it's been built with general tax revenue. I agree with other's that the privatization of NZ is underway.
Better than labours solution...... borrow, borrow, borrow
Simeon needs to study the History of France 1769-1789. Twenty years prelude to revolution.
One of the main issues is has an arrangement and toll for Fonterras large and fast rigs to use the Toll.road. is it yet determined the percentage of the toll paid by the owner driver and secondly Fonterra. Is it agreed that the Fonterra rigs will actually use the new road
With changes thru Adhurst,.clearance of a few buildings in Adhurst the old route might still be highly negotiable by large heavy rigs.
Country's going broke tolls should small amounts per trip
Nothing wrong with a toll road as long as their is a free alternative. In this case their is a free alternative, these things have to be paid for.
It's new roads, so drive the old roads and what has changed. There is no way you could debate logically with this crowd.
The old road is requiring massive amounts of maintenance and money. So not very logical.
Happy for all state highways to be toll roads if govt invests in bullet trains
A toll of $4 is less than a commuter in Wellington pays for a one way bus / train trip into the CBD, so it is comparable with what other people around the country pay every single day to get where they need to. We need alternative revenue streams to fund the infrastructure this country desparately needs. No one is forcing people to use the toll road. They can continue to use the alternative Saddle Road if they find the toll so morally objectionable, which will be far safer once the large trucks are off the road. My guess is that they will pay the toll because of the convenience. The community opposition to the toll smacks of typical nimbyism ("it is OK to toll other roads, just not the ones that I use").
WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS. It has been known for years the old road would eventually CLOSE. So they should have BUDGETED FOR THE NEW ROAD. Governments lack of previous action has bought the old road to a close. NOT OUR FAULT. WE PAAAAYYYYY OUR ROAD TAXES. Do the job you are supposed to do look after the infrastructure. WE'VE PAID.
Hold up. They’re putting a toll road on a new road? Why do people care that it’s being tolled? The new road likely wouldn’t exist if they weren’t going to toll it.
The road was planned and started long before the suggestion of a toll was raised, its a replacement for an old road that failed due to years of neglect and under funding from EVERY previous government, why wasn't Transmission Gully tolled?
What are you talking about? No tolls were planned until this government needed to balance its budget and pay for billions in tax cuts for the rich and interest deductions for landlord.
how backward do we want to go, back to the horse and cart ? Tolls roads are the only way to go to get ahead, nothing is for free, never has been.
We have been paying large amounts of petrol tax for decades to build and maintain the roading system. The roads have never been "for free". The government needs to crack down on the outrageous exorbitant profits the road building companies charge whenever the contract is for a 'government project'!
Those people probably play barely any tax anyways. Make them pay the toll. 😂
At the end of the day. Your community want a new road then someone has to pay for it!! How do you get to provide this money? Labour has overspend on everything!! So what is the answer. Sop the work on the road!! What is the answer
The govt should pay for it. Instead of borrowing money to give a tiny tax break. Or tax cuts to landlords
A lack of toll roads is why the government can’t afford to maintain any of our infrastructure. The Remutaka road was free and they couldn’t afford to maintain it. The saddle is free and they can’t afford to maintain it. Te Ahu a Turanga (new road) is twice the size of the saddle, they need tolls to pay for it.
People want better infrastructure but also refuse to pay for it. NZ is out of touch with the rest of the world. In Australia, far more complex projects are delivered and paid for quickly through tolls.
Large parts of the NZ population whinge about hospitals, roads being stuck in the 1950s but also don't want to pay a cent for it. Clueless.
Edit: anyone who doesn't want to use toll roads does not have to. Its not as though anyone will be forced to use it.
I agree but you missed the point
They have been waiting forever and was never supposed to be tolled and they are sort of forced as the alternate route is not a real road .
We should only toll.., where there is an alternative route
Alternative and safe
@@annahouston9528
True.. we need to live within our means.. but that doesn’t mean that residents of a region need to travel on roads that are not safe/ permanent…, we are one nation..
Aren’t there two alternatives to this new road already?
There is an alternative, it’s called the saddle and it’s right next to the new road
@@ThuderDragon2408 Alternative AND safe
Ok letz make everything user pays.......including public transport!
Toll ,toll ,toll....us the other route if you dont like it as we are broke .