I am an INTJ and have struggled to hold down a job in the corporate world because I simply don’t fit in. I often create solutions that get stolen by others and I get no credit, and in return I constantly hear that I come across as cold and arrogant when most of the time I sit quietly at my desk and don’t get involved with the office gossipers, office politics etc, and I am actually a very friendly, genuine person. Yes it’s true, we are very good at spotting inefficiencies, and I have had a habit of pointing many out at different companies, problem with that is that you make enemies that way, and they can work to get you out of the job. I don’t think INTJs are good fits for the corporate world. I think I will be a better entrepreneur. I don’t fit in with most offices.
@@GhostofJung well I actually own a lot of websites that cover different themes that I’ve been building content on, and now I’m trying to figure out how to monetize them. I also think I would be a good consultant. It’s just a lot of work to build those connections.
Wow. I understand exactly what you are saying because I feel the same way. I would like to meet someone like you IRL. Have you thought about writing and selling books or freelance writing? BTW, corporate world is for egomaniacs, so you are better off not being there. Academia is much the same and so is government, the behemoth public sector.
I agree with a lot of what your saying except for the arrogant comment. Our confidence is often misunderstood as arrogance. In my experience as an INTJ female when confronted with a person mistaking me as arrogant, it's often a reflection of them trying to appease their damaged ego because they feel insecure. Not saying that INTJ can't be arrogant, but make sure you are being objective in your assessment and not just caught in your feelings because of insecurities. We can also be team players if the situation requires it, however it must be with a group that takes things seriously and actually contributes productively. Nothing worse than working on a team with slackers.
Also if a woman feels confident or speaks assertively in a male way, it might be perceived as cold, too mich straight to the point and too objective. I think in general women are supposed to have a different language, more of a social, inviting, reassuring or insecure language to be perceived as a non threat. Well, it doesn't hurt to take some of those traits on, so as not to cause too many irritations. Or listen more and give space for the other. If you are too competent and not kind of acting cute, it causes misunderstandings, I believe.
@@TheShamuraja You're dead on with your assessment. I'm in the hot seat at work now because my manager thinks I'm too direct, "condescending," and cold. I've had a number of meetings about my communication over the last six months and it's all changed since I started pretending to be nice, adding greetings & pleasantries, and started wearing cosmetics. The double standard & expectation is that females should act & speak a certain way in the office simply to appease the potential threats we may pose to other females. It's beyond irritating & irrational. I love being an INTJ, but I hate that society refuses to meet us halfway on anything, especially on communication.
@@lyraserpentine894 Hey, just found your message - well I wish someone would have told me this earlier, so I would have sailed easier through a lot of situations. Basically by being more tactical. On the other hand it might be valuable to have a few opinions from neutral people on how we come across, because some of the said things are true. Maybe at some points we do communicate too harshly. I liked your comments on how you turned yourself to appear more soft basically. As some say this is where the power of the woman lies. I still have to see how to balance that out Also what is important is to have allies and not be too harsh with everyone (even if it is just perceived that way).
I can be a team player with the right team members. Sadly that has been rather rare in my life, and I know I can count on me, so I often just do things alone
Joe I always have a hard time communicating my thoughts directly to a group of people. Though I have a vivid picture in my head I cant put it in words.
I brought a CO2 meter to my office meeting room and it got to over 3000ppm, which makes people unable to think effectively. The facilities department got very annoyed when I pointed this out to them....?
I am a software Solution Architect (INTJ-A) here. I am 38, my MBTI friends often mix me up with an ENTJ as I think I am pretty mature for an INTJ, I am pretty well rounded, confident. That said, I have some 'quirks' that are black and white, non negotiable. If you have a crap work ethic, sloped shoulders or an ego at work, I will judge them by that and its hard to come back from that judgement. Egos, they're like a red rag to a bull for me, I will take them down quick if they are negatively impacting the group. Noticed patterns in data, typos, errors jump out at me, I think people are often surprised by how quick I notice problems. A lot of my work is now strategy and I am much more senior. This is more for younger INTJs, my younger years in technology, I was (still am) very confident, but I approached everything with a hunger to learn, with a respect for those teaching me. I made the tea/coffee in the office, I worked closely with who was best on the software, so my start in my career was a very humble approach. I was also lucky enough to meet a much older man in my field who soon became a Mentor. Look for a mentor, difficult thing about mentors is they don't walk around with a badge on them saying "Mentor". The 'Mentors' that do, are often not capable of mentoring, they just like the title on their lInkedIn profile... Now I am in to the experienced years of my career, I find my patience is pretty low for people bull shitting, getting political. I sit under the radar on all politics in the business, but I am pretty black and white, direct with my comments on things I disagree with. I am very vocal in work and will call things out on the spot. I do struggle with authority, more so when it is misguided or lacking the experience it needs for that title. I struggled with my approach for a long time, not so much in the beginning when I was learning my craft, but the last 5-7 years as I knew I was wearing a mask to work. My advice would be, to not adopt a mask once you know your craft. Be you. Sometimes its an asset to show your teeth, especially in business. Work alone, be quirky, call out issues head on, I often was concerned whether this was disruptive but when it comes down to the crunch, your superiors will have you down as a no-nonsense, completer finisher who can get stuff done, on time and think logically instead of emotionally. Fight procrastination, do not take on TOO much work, learn to say 'No', build breaks in to your day but not to youtube and google, to walk outside and follow your gut on your intuition - it is your strongest skill, do not take it for granted, the rest of them do not have this skill we have!
@@GhostofJung I appreciate that. I ramble in parts but I hope this helps others, certainly younger INTJs. I wish I knew this advice sooner. I’m still learning!
I think you really missed the value of an INTJ. You speak as if an INTJ is an aloof dreamer with his head in the clouds. I disagree with this because, an intj has a drive to bring things to a practical fruition. The only way to do this, is to be able to work with people and communicate with them in a way where you can get your point across and everyone is on the same page. Yes we are big picture thinkers, and we do overlook details from time to time. However, I don't think missing some punctuation in a company email is totally going to forfeit the value of the idea. I think what you have described for the most part is an unhealthy or underdeveloped intj. An intj who is healthy knows his weaknesses and knows they need to be worked on because self-improvement and self-discovery is always an ever present idea in our minds. We not only look to make companies and systems more efficient but also ourselves as well. Another thing I have noticed, is you grossly overlooked how open-minded an intj really is. You spoke about being very independent. That is true, however if a task requires more than just a single person and or needs others to get it done then we will be open-minded enough to involve other people to accomplish the goal. Lastly, when it comes to authority, we can be a little bit obstinate. The reason for this is, intjs are masters of the skills that they have acquired. We often ask ourselves, how can one lead on a particular subject or circumstance when they don't have the knowledge to do so. It's not about the person, it's about intellect. Until next time.
I can agree with you that the description I've given tended towards a more harsh or underdeveloped version of the INTJ. As one myself, I did not want to slobber over how great they are, but try to provide the realistic negatives and how they would manifest. In future INTJ videos, I will certainly highlight the pros you mentioned. Thanks brother!
I understand where you're comming from. I gather your intention is to help. However it would go much farther to show humility than to stigmatize. Just my final thoughts. Until next time or video.
I always preferred to work alone, unless a team was needed. Just give me a list of work to do, an approximate deadline, & I'll get it done efficiently by skipping all the dumbass details that would slow me down. Never had any complaints about my work. Nowadays, I own & run a business myself. Much happier now.
So typical of INTJs in my mind. You take the experience of a corp job and then fix all the problems and inefficiencies when you create your own business. What line of business did you end up starting?
You know, INTJS don't *always* want to be leaders. Because they are efficient -- and they have to pay the bills, an activity separate from their self esteem -- they want to maximize the time they spend with the least amount of effort, especially at "work" which (in a capitalist society) might not really jive with their vision. This is *why* they make great leaders, but they are many times reluctant leaders. This clip was largely perjorative, I felt, and not well thought-out. It's as if your basic premise for a personality type is their response in a social environment and therein, does their value lie (or not). As an INTJ, I say 'bullshit' and you don't get it. Call me stubborn.
Seconded. I’m an INTJ woman and the overwhelming majority of the tropes here seem to be spun in a negative light. The one about competence being “as smart as the individual INTJ” is nonsense as is claiming that making a single mistake means the INTJ will completely write someone off as inferior and incompetent. This seems to be more of how INTJs are perceived as villains and less about our actual cognitive functions and skills.
As a INTJ- T I struggled with this a lot! In my past with Bosses. It was very difficult for me to keep a Job because of this inferiority complex that I couldn’t explain to myself why I felt this way! Now with so much information it starts to make sense!
My respect for "Authority" is Nil. I also find I have a MUCH harder time getting my thoughts out when people are repeatedly interrupting or putting attention elsewhere. But I know listening to me can be like a class or lecture. And many people do not have attention span long enough, even if that person has mental capacity to understand the concept I'm spouting.
The weakness you are on spot Joe. It's amazing how I disregard some punctuations or inputting tedious tasks like working on a spreadsheet without thinking.
I definitely agree. I am an INTJ. I finally found a place to work where people just let me be. I am a cake designer. I love it because I get me Se there. They pretty much leave me alone and let me do whatever I want. I will admit that I am a bit more rounded because of my 8 yrs in the Military.
I am rather obsessed with proper punctuation, proper formatting, use of styles in Word etc. I like emails to look clean and proper. There is beauty in that. Administrative tasks however I am really lazy with. I prefer to focus on the real work.
I have seen a lot of pushback from intjs regarding the attention to detail issue so maybe for me those administrative and detailed tasks are much worse than other intjs
INTJ describes my teenage son accurately. This video helps me anticipate how to bring out his best and guide him to navigate group work at school. Joe, thanks!
Omg, the part of 4 steps ahead (not just in emails) and not answering the question is so true. I’m actually pondering the future questions that will follow answer to the original. And answering those. This is why it’s so hard to explain myself to others. The first question I’ve already answered in my head and I’ve moved on. So when people ask me to backpedal and explain it’s really difficult.
Not fully true in some points - as INTJ I am often criticized because I would pay too much attention to detail. It's an urban myth that INTJs can't bear with details and administrative tasks - it is maybe not what we desire, but we manage to cope with it and accommodate. What is true on the other hand - and I believe that this is the correct way how the saying about disregard of detail was meant originally - I don't need or want to dig in too deep to get a task done. The basic framework is often sufficient for me to predict an outcome or a solution. I don't need to know all the details to come to (right) conclusions either.
This is where I get the most pushback from INTJs by far. They always try to defend their analysis paralysis as if its a noble trait to not be able to send an email for 3 hours because it has to be perfect.
Excellent video. This described me perfectly, except I really do obsess over typos and stuff like that. I definitely don't find most authority worthy of respect though (spot on), and it causes all kinds of issues lol
Ghost of Jung: Is there a type, one should pair with an INTJ to maximize what INTJ's can bring to the organization? For example, one that may take the abstract ideas and present them to others in more understandable terms or proofread and add details to INTJ's presentations etc.
ENTP or ENFP in my personal and professional opinion. However, in your specific example, ISTJ/ISFJ is an excellent counterbalance to the INTJs glossing over of fine details.
I’d never question a leader’s competence or authority for making a single mistake or not “being as smart as I am”. I question it when someone is given authority in an area they have no experience/education in or understanding of and then dismiss me as wrong without being able to communicate why or how. If my role requires 10 years of experience as a subject matter expert and you’re appointed as a supervisor and come in with no experience and completely unrelated background and all you have is authority to throw around while also being short sighted and dismissive, you’re probably incompetent. If you’re dictating processes you can’t explain or don’t understand to someone who’s perfected their craft and you ignore their input or feedback, you’re probably incompetent. If you don’t understand what my role is or how it relates to the overall goal, yet you’re blindly answering arrogantly making decisions about my role, you’re probably incompetent. If I point out a preventable or avoidable error and you dismiss me until it blows up in your face, you’re probably incompetent. Basically: if you’re a barber who’s trying to tell the tax attorney you hired that they’re wrong about the area of tax law, you’re off base.
I wouldn't say they are closed minded and stubborn. I have heard other people's analysis say that they are actually open-minded. I think the ideas, issues, etc, brought forth, to them, need to be on topic and somewhat helpful, at minimum.
Hi, JoeRecruiter. I am an INtj who only discovered MBTI later in life. I'm a boomer and so allow me to apologize in advance, lol. I tested well for the Air Force and was allowed to choose my job. I became a command post controller. Now I sometimes run into AF command post controllers who have been tested and type as an INTJ. My career was fascinating, allowed me to play with cool toys and travel the world. It also has given me the security of medical insurance and a pension. I looked around early in life and security was my main focus. I also wanted to finish my degrees. While I would not necessarily suggest a young person join the military now, it worked well for a young woman who wanted adventure and to avoid a secretarial job. 1C3 is the AFSC if anyone is interested in checking out this career. I also married an ESTP who brought home the real money, of course...
@@GhostofJung yes, I do. "Through pride we are ever deceiving ourselves. But deep down below the surface of the average conscience a still, small voice says to us, something is out of tune." Carl Jung
Not a team player, agree. Because they are afraid that others will mess up their projects . They are fast learners. They prefer to work behind the scene.
There are no pure INTJ or any other type. How about saying, the undeveloped INTJ is .... this or that. Life happens to all of us, we marry, have children, develop other cognitive skills. Softening your language might improve your presentstion.
Good that you even perceive that could be a problem. Most INTJs are going to be looked at as oddballs by default. Part of Type development is to incrementally get better at your worst attributes. Thanks!
It depends on whether the INTJ is Fi invested in the firm/organization. I streamline my OWN processes at work and set goals for the purpose of not being brain damaged from boredom (repetitive administrative tasks). Working my way up in my current job would be pointless, since I don't like the work and it is a for the means job...actual goals are outside of it.
I am an INTJ and have struggled to hold down a job in the corporate world because I simply don’t fit in. I often create solutions that get stolen by others and I get no credit, and in return I constantly hear that I come across as cold and arrogant when most of the time I sit quietly at my desk and don’t get involved with the office gossipers, office politics etc, and I am actually a very friendly, genuine person. Yes it’s true, we are very good at spotting inefficiencies, and I have had a habit of pointing many out at different companies, problem with that is that you make enemies that way, and they can work to get you out of the job. I don’t think INTJs are good fits for the corporate world. I think I will be a better entrepreneur. I don’t fit in with most offices.
1000000% correct. I always advocate for well developed INTJs to start branching off into their own business. What biz would you start?
@@GhostofJung well I actually own a lot of websites that cover different themes that I’ve been building content on, and now I’m trying to figure out how to monetize them. I also think I would be a good consultant. It’s just a lot of work to build those connections.
Wow. I understand exactly what you are saying because I feel the same way. I would like to meet someone like you IRL. Have you thought about writing and selling books or freelance writing? BTW, corporate world is for egomaniacs, so you are better off not being there. Academia is much the same and so is government, the behemoth public sector.
That's so nice! And no I haven't I really don't think I have the capacity to write a book 😭
And when you become successful enough you can crush that company underneath your heel. Ah what? Sorry, forget what I just said.
I'm an intj and I think of a huge plan in my head and literally can't explain it verbally. I hate details too. Anyone want to give me a job? 🤣
I agree with a lot of what your saying except for the arrogant comment. Our confidence is often misunderstood as arrogance. In my experience as an INTJ female when confronted with a person mistaking me as arrogant, it's often a reflection of them trying to appease their damaged ego because they feel insecure. Not saying that INTJ can't be arrogant, but make sure you are being objective in your assessment and not just caught in your feelings because of insecurities. We can also be team players if the situation requires it, however it must be with a group that takes things seriously and actually contributes productively. Nothing worse than working on a team with slackers.
Also if a woman feels confident or speaks assertively in a male way, it might be perceived as cold, too mich straight to the point and too objective.
I think in general women are supposed to have a different language, more of a social, inviting, reassuring or insecure language to be perceived as a non threat.
Well, it doesn't hurt to take some of those traits on, so as not to cause too many irritations. Or listen more and give space for the other.
If you are too competent and not kind of acting cute, it causes misunderstandings, I believe.
@@TheShamuraja You're dead on with your assessment. I'm in the hot seat at work now because my manager thinks I'm too direct, "condescending," and cold. I've had a number of meetings about my communication over the last six months and it's all changed since I started pretending to be nice, adding greetings & pleasantries, and started wearing cosmetics. The double standard & expectation is that females should act & speak a certain way in the office simply to appease the potential threats we may pose to other females. It's beyond irritating & irrational. I love being an INTJ, but I hate that society refuses to meet us halfway on anything, especially on communication.
@@lyraserpentine894 Hey, just found your message - well I wish someone would have told me this earlier, so I would have sailed easier through a lot of situations. Basically by being more tactical.
On the other hand it might be valuable to have a few opinions from neutral people on how we come across, because some of the said things are true. Maybe at some points we do communicate too harshly.
I liked your comments on how you turned yourself to appear more soft basically. As some say this is where the power of the woman lies. I still have to see how to balance that out
Also what is important is to have allies and not be too harsh with everyone (even if it is just perceived that way).
Yeah but sorry, if 99% of people see it as arrogance, it is simply arrogance.
I can be a team player with the right team members. Sadly that has been rather rare in my life, and I know I can count on me, so I often just do things alone
Joe I always have a hard time communicating my thoughts directly to a group of people. Though I have a vivid picture in my head I cant put it in words.
keep a notepad. Writing things down in a meeting looks good, even if you are just organizing your own thoughts.
I wish companies would actually organize people based on personalities. It might be short sighted, but it would make things easier.
I'm such an advocate for this. I think you'd get the same exact results if you went through a very rigorous hiring process
I brought a CO2 meter to my office meeting room and it got to over 3000ppm, which makes people unable to think effectively. The facilities department got very annoyed when I pointed this out to them....?
Well, I am quick at figuring out how things are working in a work place but that doesn't mean I will try to fit in. Good video +1
I am a software Solution Architect (INTJ-A) here. I am 38, my MBTI friends often mix me up with an ENTJ as I think I am pretty mature for an INTJ, I am pretty well rounded, confident. That said, I have some 'quirks' that are black and white, non negotiable. If you have a crap work ethic, sloped shoulders or an ego at work, I will judge them by that and its hard to come back from that judgement. Egos, they're like a red rag to a bull for me, I will take them down quick if they are negatively impacting the group.
Noticed patterns in data, typos, errors jump out at me, I think people are often surprised by how quick I notice problems. A lot of my work is now strategy and I am much more senior. This is more for younger INTJs, my younger years in technology, I was (still am) very confident, but I approached everything with a hunger to learn, with a respect for those teaching me. I made the tea/coffee in the office, I worked closely with who was best on the software, so my start in my career was a very humble approach. I was also lucky enough to meet a much older man in my field who soon became a Mentor. Look for a mentor, difficult thing about mentors is they don't walk around with a badge on them saying "Mentor". The 'Mentors' that do, are often not capable of mentoring, they just like the title on their lInkedIn profile...
Now I am in to the experienced years of my career, I find my patience is pretty low for people bull shitting, getting political. I sit under the radar on all politics in the business, but I am pretty black and white, direct with my comments on things I disagree with. I am very vocal in work and will call things out on the spot. I do struggle with authority, more so when it is misguided or lacking the experience it needs for that title.
I struggled with my approach for a long time, not so much in the beginning when I was learning my craft, but the last 5-7 years as I knew I was wearing a mask to work. My advice would be, to not adopt a mask once you know your craft. Be you. Sometimes its an asset to show your teeth, especially in business. Work alone, be quirky, call out issues head on, I often was concerned whether this was disruptive but when it comes down to the crunch, your superiors will have you down as a no-nonsense, completer finisher who can get stuff done, on time and think logically instead of emotionally.
Fight procrastination, do not take on TOO much work, learn to say 'No', build breaks in to your day but not to youtube and google, to walk outside and follow your gut on your intuition - it is your strongest skill, do not take it for granted, the rest of them do not have this skill we have!
Woah-- great advice. Sage wisdom from a 'wiser' INTJ!
@@GhostofJung I appreciate that. I ramble in parts but I hope this helps others, certainly younger INTJs. I wish I knew this advice sooner. I’m still learning!
I think you really missed the value of an INTJ. You speak as if an INTJ is an aloof dreamer with his head in the clouds. I disagree with this because, an intj has a drive to bring things to a practical fruition. The only way to do this, is to be able to work with people and communicate with them in a way where you can get your point across and everyone is on the same page. Yes we are big picture thinkers, and we do overlook details from time to time. However, I don't think missing some punctuation in a company email is totally going to forfeit the value of the idea. I think what you have described for the most part is an unhealthy or underdeveloped intj. An intj who is healthy knows his weaknesses and knows they need to be worked on because self-improvement and self-discovery is always an ever present idea in our minds. We not only look to make companies and systems more efficient but also ourselves as well. Another thing I have noticed, is you grossly overlooked how open-minded an intj really is. You spoke about being very independent. That is true, however if a task requires more than just a single person and or needs others to get it done then we will be open-minded enough to involve other people to accomplish the goal. Lastly, when it comes to authority, we can be a little bit obstinate. The reason for this is, intjs are masters of the skills that they have acquired. We often ask ourselves, how can one lead on a particular subject or circumstance when they don't have the knowledge to do so. It's not about the person, it's about intellect. Until next time.
I can agree with you that the description I've given tended towards a more harsh or underdeveloped version of the INTJ. As one myself, I did not want to slobber over how great they are, but try to provide the realistic negatives and how they would manifest. In future INTJ videos, I will certainly highlight the pros you mentioned. Thanks brother!
I understand where you're comming from. I gather your intention is to help. However it would go much farther to show humility than to stigmatize. Just my final thoughts. Until next time or video.
I always preferred to work alone, unless a team was needed. Just give me a list of work to do, an approximate deadline, & I'll get it done efficiently by skipping all the dumbass details that would slow me down. Never had any complaints about my work. Nowadays, I own & run a business myself. Much happier now.
So typical of INTJs in my mind. You take the experience of a corp job and then fix all the problems and inefficiencies when you create your own business. What line of business did you end up starting?
@@GhostofJung Ebay store
Brilliant, can you also put the same products on Etsy?
@@GhostofJung not sure, but I guess
You know, INTJS don't *always* want to be leaders. Because they are efficient -- and they have to pay the bills, an activity separate from their self esteem -- they want to maximize the time they spend with the least amount of effort, especially at "work" which (in a capitalist society) might not really jive with their vision. This is *why* they make great leaders, but they are many times reluctant leaders. This clip was largely perjorative, I felt, and not well thought-out. It's as if your basic premise for a personality type is their response in a social environment and therein, does their value lie (or not). As an INTJ, I say 'bullshit' and you don't get it. Call me stubborn.
Seconded. I’m an INTJ woman and the overwhelming majority of the tropes here seem to be spun in a negative light. The one about competence being “as smart as the individual INTJ” is nonsense as is claiming that making a single mistake means the INTJ will completely write someone off as inferior and incompetent.
This seems to be more of how INTJs are perceived as villains and less about our actual cognitive functions and skills.
As a INTJ- T I struggled with this a lot! In my past with Bosses. It was very difficult for me to keep a Job because of this inferiority complex that I couldn’t explain to myself why I felt this way! Now with so much information it starts to make sense!
part of that comes with normal type development over time. It took me until I was about 28 to understand that same inferiority complex.
My respect for "Authority" is Nil.
I also find I have a MUCH harder time getting my thoughts out when people are repeatedly interrupting or putting attention elsewhere. But I know listening to me can be like a class or lecture. And many people do not have attention span long enough, even if that person has mental capacity to understand the concept I'm spouting.
The weakness you are on spot Joe. It's amazing how I disregard some punctuations or inputting tedious tasks like working on a spreadsheet without thinking.
I definitely agree. I am an INTJ. I finally found a place to work where people just let me be. I am a cake designer. I love it because I get me Se there. They pretty much leave me alone and let me do whatever I want. I will admit that I am a bit more rounded because of my 8 yrs in the Military.
Such an amazing niche and profession
Yeah I have always sat in the background quietly outperforming others. Communicating how to make things for effective has been a struggle
I am rather obsessed with proper punctuation, proper formatting, use of styles in Word etc. I like emails to look clean and proper. There is beauty in that. Administrative tasks however I am really lazy with. I prefer to focus on the real work.
I have seen a lot of pushback from intjs regarding the attention to detail issue so maybe for me those administrative and detailed tasks are much worse than other intjs
INTJ describes my teenage son accurately. This video helps me anticipate how to bring out his best and guide him to navigate group work at school. Joe, thanks!
sorry for the late reply! I need to do another one of these
As a hardcore INTJ; this is Highly accurate
Omg, the part of 4 steps ahead (not just in emails) and not answering the question is so true. I’m actually pondering the future questions that will follow answer to the original. And answering those. This is why it’s so hard to explain myself to others. The first question I’ve already answered in my head and I’ve moved on. So when people ask me to backpedal and explain it’s really difficult.
haha at that point its not worth explaining. Completely get you here.
Not fully true in some points - as INTJ I am often criticized because I would pay too much attention to detail. It's an urban myth that INTJs can't bear with details and administrative tasks - it is maybe not what we desire, but we manage to cope with it and accommodate. What is true on the other hand - and I believe that this is the correct way how the saying about disregard of detail was meant originally - I don't need or want to dig in too deep to get a task done. The basic framework is often sufficient for me to predict an outcome or a solution. I don't need to know all the details to come to (right) conclusions either.
This is where I get the most pushback from INTJs by far. They always try to defend their analysis paralysis as if its a noble trait to not be able to send an email for 3 hours because it has to be perfect.
Whoa, this is a self reflection for me
Thank you, much appreciated!
heck yes - sorry for the 2 yr late response
Excellent video. This described me perfectly, except I really do obsess over typos and stuff like that. I definitely don't find most authority worthy of respect though (spot on), and it causes all kinds of issues lol
Lmao yeah many INTJs have said the same too that they are grammar and punctuation sticklers.
A man is a village unto himself.
I am a team.
Ghost of Jung: Is there a type, one should pair with an INTJ to maximize what INTJ's can bring to the organization? For example, one that may take the abstract ideas and present them to others in more understandable terms or proofread and add details to INTJ's presentations etc.
ENTP or ENFP in my personal and professional opinion. However, in your specific example, ISTJ/ISFJ is an excellent counterbalance to the INTJs glossing over of fine details.
@@GhostofJung Thanks for the response.
I’d never question a leader’s competence or authority for making a single mistake or not “being as smart as I am”. I question it when someone is given authority in an area they have no experience/education in or understanding of and then dismiss me as wrong without being able to communicate why or how. If my role requires 10 years of experience as a subject matter expert and you’re appointed as a supervisor and come in with no experience and completely unrelated background and all you have is authority to throw around while also being short sighted and dismissive, you’re probably incompetent. If you’re dictating processes you can’t explain or don’t understand to someone who’s perfected their craft and you ignore their input or feedback, you’re probably incompetent. If you don’t understand what my role is or how it relates to the overall goal, yet you’re blindly answering arrogantly making decisions about my role, you’re probably incompetent. If I point out a preventable or avoidable error and you dismiss me until it blows up in your face, you’re probably incompetent. Basically: if you’re a barber who’s trying to tell the tax attorney you hired that they’re wrong about the area of tax law, you’re off base.
I wouldn't say they are closed minded and stubborn. I have heard other people's analysis say that they are actually open-minded. I think the ideas, issues, etc, brought forth, to them, need to be on topic and somewhat helpful, at minimum.
Hi, JoeRecruiter. I am an INtj who only discovered MBTI later in life. I'm a boomer and so allow me to
apologize in advance, lol.
I tested well for the Air Force and was allowed to choose my job. I became a command post controller.
Now I sometimes run into AF command post controllers who have been tested and type as an INTJ.
My career was fascinating, allowed me to play with cool toys and travel the world. It also has given
me the security of medical insurance and a pension. I looked around early in life and security was my main focus. I also wanted to finish my degrees.
While I would not necessarily suggest a young person join the military now, it worked well for a young woman who wanted adventure and to avoid a secretarial job.
1C3 is the AFSC if anyone is interested in checking out this career.
I also married an ESTP who brought home the real money, of course...
Thank you for this reply! Do you feel knowing you were an INTJ earlier in your life would have been more/less beneficial to you?
@@GhostofJung yes, I do.
"Through pride we are ever deceiving ourselves. But deep down below the surface of the average conscience a still, small voice says to us, something is out of tune."
Carl Jung
@@GhostofJung more beneficial. Ti was not paying attention. lol
INTJ here! 100% spot on.
Teams?! You mean Handicaps and liabilities?..
Yes ahaha
I've been boycotting all professional sports since the player strike of 1992. - Gen X intj.
This is healthy. I'm jealous as I didn't stop watching sports until 2018
INTJ, death stare included...sent this to my boss.
Not a team player, agree. Because they are afraid that others will mess up their projects . They are fast learners. They prefer to work behind the scene.
yes others will likely jack it up. team projects are horrible!
And never greets people am I right ?
Yes
@@jonnyvelocity thanks now is verified from all angles .
Yes yes yes yes yes
2:36 is very true for me.
You get what I say.. Yes I literally say that all the time
Shout out to Sacramento and the bridge in the background.
Former hometown! The one thing I bought from Ikea 😂
There are no pure INTJ or any other type. How about saying, the undeveloped INTJ is .... this or that. Life happens to all of us, we marry, have children, develop other cognitive skills. Softening your language might improve your presentstion.
Soft language is often a challenge for INTJs, from my experience.
Ok this is on point lol. I think my co workers perceive me as the oddball cuz of these traits.
Good that you even perceive that could be a problem. Most INTJs are going to be looked at as oddballs by default. Part of Type development is to incrementally get better at your worst attributes. Thanks!
Female INTJ here and I totally respect authority.
there's more to that. Just the fact that they ARE authority is enough?
Thank you
Some of us (ENTJ) only learn why we hate our job/career in our 50s because we didn’t know we were ENTJ until 49
Hahahahahahahaha
I think I'm an INFJ but I relate HEAVILY to this.
I think main difference is being more inclined towards being a team player
We are not good at communicating or dealing with all different people. I also can’t stand office politics either. Waste of time.
Preach
Always!
3:46 I noticed I do this 💀 😂 I'm a bitch theoretically speaking this unicorn women intjs is a lie we are a living hell 😂
I must be an anomaly because I am praised for my communication skills and high attention to detail.
Written communication and verbal communication? Both?
Same for me both verbal and written. However, it took me many years to actively develop it. So it may be an age thing
Same. This sounds like a personal problem, tbh.
It depends on whether the INTJ is Fi invested in the firm/organization. I streamline my OWN processes at work and set goals for the purpose of not being brain damaged from boredom (repetitive administrative tasks). Working my way up in my current job would be pointless, since I don't like the work and it is a for the means job...actual goals are outside of it.