I love how in this scene all the characters move from one side of the room to the other 😂 It’s like they’re at first scared/uncomfortable by him (a stranger) and the topic of conversation but as it goes on we see visually how they’ve all been drawn into his charm
Absolutely! Great point, I always loved this scene but never really consciously realized that aspect of it! What an amazing way to portray his charm, especially during the exposition.
Aaahh this cuts off right before the payoff -- the camera pans to Flan (Sutherland), visibly moved, as he says, "I hope your muggers read every damn word." Speaking of Sutherland - his monologue about wanting to go back into the third grade is also wonderful. This is a great film
I saw this at the movies in Sydney in 93/94. Fred schepsi the director is Australian. The funny thing was because of will smiths rap career the audience was full of young guys in ball caps and hip hop gear. They were not happy that will smith was playing a young gay man.
every time i watch this scene i'm just waiting for Ian McKellen to stand up & yell - "I've heard enough of this pretentious sh*t! I'm a knight for f*ck's sake." and then Sutherland chimes in and says - "Right? Why did i sign up for this? i've done good work before... i was in Animal House! i don't need this crap." then Will says - "You don't need this? I'm gonna be one of the highest paid actors in the world! In west Philadelphia born & raised, on the playground..." and the lady jumps in - "Please nobody quit. i haven't had a hit since Grease. i really need this paycheck."
i just came here to say about how funny life is when he noted about Lord of the rings and Sir Ian had no idea what was in front of him some years later
This is a great pop at the literati book-club academics. The people hunting and the PTSD of Sillinger, presented by a pretender (a phony that everyone is lapping up). This was a surprising role for Will Smith to have landed at the time because he was rapping and playing The Fresh Prince, but it is much less surprising with age). At this point, the story surrounding The Catcher in the Rye is probably bigger than the novel itself, which is huge. Pages of the manuscript in his pack on D-Day, his girlfriend being stolen from him by Charlie Chaplin, his private life and his relationship with The New Yorker. Epic. The book keeps coming back because of WW2 and Mad Men and America's love of assassination attempts, succesful or otherwise. Mad Men/Matt Weiner dove deep into The Catcher in the Rye. Glen and Adam and young Dick. Phoniness and 'Nam, solved with a Coke. I think Mad Men is its equal. You have to be as witty as Roger Sterling to write Roger Sterling. On that level, Matt Weiner is the opposite of a phony. Sterling Gold, indeed.
When I think of monologues I think of Al Pacino's Any Given Sunday locker room speech, or Devils Advocate with Keanu. Of course there's Tom Hanks sofa scene in Castaway is a favorite of mine. However this one with Will seems more complex and somehow richer in substance and content.
I realize that Smith tarnished his image in that incident with Chris Rock but this movie proves just how exceptional and versatile an actor he truly is.
Yeah, well, proof that art can outlast the asshole, but I hope he'll eventually recover his reputation to whatever extent possible and make some more good movies. This performance was the one that made me take him seriously (and not just a jokey rapper with DJ Jazzy Jeff, which we loved as kids, so not knocking it, haha).
All it takes for a black man to fall is one mistake infront of the white masses. I hope Will can make a return but the cynicism on the internet is undefeated, you don’t get second chances once you spend your whole career being the perfect black guy.
People will forget eventually. He's not the first actor to have made a jerk out of himself in public but since he's so famous and he did it at one of the most televised and popular events in entertainment it really made an impact. Talent outlasts controversy though.
I got a kick outta this, but this stuff is also the kinda stuff that depresses the hell outta ya. You can't get it out of your goddamn mind that it's a fiction. Though I was kinda worried that It'd be all phoney, and all. I would buy it off ya, but I I don't have any dough, and all. I spent it at some bar on 35th, tipping off a pianist. She was good and all, but she was kinda showy. I was gonna buy a beer, but I wasn't in the mood. You gotta be in the mood for that kinda stuff, for chrissake. I tipped the guy just ta get a good kick out of it and all, anyways. Anyways, I could tell that this guy wasn't horsing around. Old Will. That killed me. But anyways, thanks a lot. This killed me, it really did, hey.
Like a lot of films, shows the bad person to be better than a conman, at the same time. Nothing quite as it really is. But nerds are often not so eloquent as speakers.
Donald Sutherland and Ian McKellen , two great actors that are in good company with will smith ! "lord of the rings and all those dwarfs" as he looks at Ian McKellen
I like he mentioned LoTR while looking at Gandalf. And yes the way they move all around the room leaves each person uncomfortable, hell, I was too. This is Will early on but he’s showing good acting skills. But that whole room was A List.
mmm, could be, he's a bit detached, but in the end.. it kinda makes sense with his character (don't know if you saw the movie, but maybe it's a tad on purpose?)
I'd argue that is exactly the point. Smith, even then, was a good enough actor that if his character REALLY believed all of that, we would see more conviction in his body language and face, and we'd hear it more in his voice. But the fact is that the character is a con-artist -- he is presenting a false front because he knows EXACTLY what privileged people like his listeners really want to hear. It comes off to us as smarmy and disingenuous because it IS -- but THEY don't know that.
Watch the movie. He's a grifter who uses the bullshit he collects along the way to disarm people just enough to take from them. He's the phony he's talking about the whole time.
@@jeffreybaer6386 I haven't seen the movie but it really came off that way and I thought I was just misinterpreting it lol. He hops from source to source at a frantic pace that is well spoken but only really comes to an average conclusion that doesn't really mean all that much
@@peterhooper2643 If Neo was the one, he should have figured it out in the first movie. Instead we get one kick ass movies and three mediocre attempts trying to relive the first.
I love how in this scene all the characters move from one side of the room to the other 😂 It’s like they’re at first scared/uncomfortable by him (a stranger) and the topic of conversation but as it goes on we see visually how they’ve all been drawn into his charm
Absolutely! Great point, I always loved this scene but never really consciously realized that aspect of it! What an amazing way to portray his charm, especially during the exposition.
You see the Altman technique here. Take in the whole & all its meaning.
I wonder if Will Smith was reading Catcher in the Rye before he slapped Chris Rock
Take the microchip out of your body. Put in some peanut butter pie.
🙄
Aaahh this cuts off right before the payoff -- the camera pans to Flan (Sutherland), visibly moved, as he says, "I hope your muggers read every damn word."
Speaking of Sutherland - his monologue about wanting to go back into the third grade is also wonderful. This is a great film
i often remember his comments about the teacher who knew when to take the painting away / when the painting is complete.
Talking to Ian McKellen about Lord of the Rings and Waiting for Godot. Priceless.
What about Mac Ellen? Does he know a ruddy thing about books?
This movie was actually based on a real-life incident with a teenager who passed himself off as Sidney Poiter’s son. It’s pretty hard to believe.
Yeah. His character slept with guys to survive. Real life guy died of aids.
@@tnbn55 - Yeah, he was either gay or bi-sexual. So it wasn't to survive.
His name was David Hampton. And yes he was a con artist and he was gay. He died July 18, 2003 of complications with AIDS. He was 39 years young.
@@MrThomas564 this is why i dont like gay people
This comment killed me.
When Will took good scripts.
All movies with will smith suck, except this one. I like this movie because of donald Sutherland and stockard channing.
@@gonzalopriale3293 that’s just not trur
I think this is the only Will Smith movie I haven't yet seen.... Been listening to his audiobook and now I want to watch this
This monologue is something UNIVERSAL
3:54 -- Will specifically looks at Gandalf and cites LORD OF THE RINGS... fate.
They were Sooooo captivated and seduced by this persona he fed to them!
Yeah, what a goddamn phoney.
I saw this at the movies in Sydney in 93/94. Fred schepsi the director is Australian. The funny thing was because of will smiths rap career the audience was full of young guys in ball caps and hip hop gear. They were not happy that will smith was playing a young gay man.
A classy, intelligent film.
3:55 "Lord of the Rings, all those dwarves, so imaginative!"
Future Gandolf: 😏
wtf are you talking about
also Gandalf*
Little does he know Gandalf is sitting right there.
Riigghhttt?
every time i watch this scene i'm just waiting for Ian McKellen to stand up & yell - "I've heard enough of this pretentious sh*t! I'm a knight for f*ck's sake."
and then Sutherland chimes in and says - "Right? Why did i sign up for this? i've done good work before... i was in Animal House! i don't need this crap."
then Will says - "You don't need this? I'm gonna be one of the highest paid actors in the world! In west Philadelphia born & raised, on the playground..."
and the lady jumps in - "Please nobody quit. i haven't had a hit since Grease. i really need this paycheck."
To be fair, Will Smith’s movies have grossed close to 10 billion dollars, so he has done ok at least commercially. 🤷🏻♂️
1:20 and hes straight up telling them everyone is a phony and it's an act.
i just came here to say about how funny life is when he noted about Lord of the rings and Sir Ian had no idea what was in front of him some years later
“I hope your muggers read every word.”
This is a great pop at the literati book-club academics. The people hunting and the PTSD of Sillinger, presented by a pretender (a phony that everyone is lapping up). This was a surprising role for Will Smith to have landed at the time because he was rapping and playing The Fresh Prince, but it is much less surprising with age). At this point, the story surrounding The Catcher in the Rye is probably bigger than the novel itself, which is huge. Pages of the manuscript in his pack on D-Day, his girlfriend being stolen from him by Charlie Chaplin, his private life and his relationship with The New Yorker. Epic. The book keeps coming back because of WW2 and Mad Men and America's love of assassination attempts, succesful or otherwise. Mad Men/Matt Weiner dove deep into The Catcher in the Rye. Glen and Adam and young Dick. Phoniness and 'Nam, solved with a Coke. I think Mad Men is its equal. You have to be as witty as Roger Sterling to write Roger Sterling. On that level, Matt Weiner is the opposite of a phony. Sterling Gold, indeed.
When I think of monologues I think of Al Pacino's Any Given Sunday locker room speech, or Devils Advocate with Keanu. Of course there's Tom Hanks sofa scene in Castaway is a favorite of mine.
However this one with Will seems more complex and somehow richer in substance and content.
Totally agree!!
Very thought provoking
I realize that Smith tarnished his image in that incident with Chris Rock but this movie proves just how exceptional and versatile an actor he truly is.
you are a fool if you can't see that is staged
Yeah, well, proof that art can outlast the asshole, but I hope he'll eventually recover his reputation to whatever extent possible and make some more good movies. This performance was the one that made me take him seriously (and not just a jokey rapper with DJ Jazzy Jeff, which we loved as kids, so not knocking it, haha).
All it takes for a black man to fall is one mistake infront of the white masses. I hope Will can make a return but the cynicism on the internet is undefeated, you don’t get second chances once you spend your whole career being the perfect black guy.
Image? Character!
People will forget eventually. He's not the first actor to have made a jerk out of himself in public but since he's so famous and he did it at one of the most televised and popular events in entertainment it really made an impact. Talent outlasts controversy though.
I got a kick outta this, but this stuff is also the kinda stuff that depresses the hell outta ya. You can't get it out of your goddamn mind that it's a fiction. Though I was kinda worried that It'd be all phoney, and all. I would buy it off ya, but I I don't have any dough, and all. I spent it at some bar on 35th, tipping off a pianist. She was good and all, but she was kinda showy. I was gonna buy a beer, but I wasn't in the mood. You gotta be in the mood for that kinda stuff, for chrissake. I tipped the guy just ta get a good kick out of it and all, anyways. Anyways, I could tell that this guy wasn't horsing around. Old Will. That killed me. But anyways, thanks a lot. This killed me, it really did, hey.
Great actor emotional scene
For those who don't know this was actually based on a real life conman - David Hampton
Like a lot of films, shows the bad person to be better than a conman, at the same time. Nothing quite as it really is. But nerds are often not so eloquent as speakers.
Donald Sutherland and Ian McKellen , two great actors that are in good company with will smith ! "lord of the rings and all those dwarfs" as he looks at Ian McKellen
Holden would hate him
Of course. He'd just call him a Phony and get on with it.
He hates actors
Well ofcourse, he hates movies
Smith was great at this role. It could be a TED Talk
Gosh that is true.
I like he mentioned LoTR while looking at Gandalf. And yes the way they move all around the room leaves each person uncomfortable, hell, I was too. This is Will early on but he’s showing good acting skills. But that whole room was A List.
I loved reading "Waiting for Godot" when I was a kid.
Relevant.
Fifties American literature, fun as it can be, was probably the beginning of the drossy era. Look at what we do now.
Just Go ahead and skip to the taking it doggy-style ass-pounding scence.
That's the best performance of this whole movie !
OBRA MAESTRA
So long Donald Sutherland. One of the greats.
So Will Smith played Carlton in this movie ?
Holy shi*. I didn't think Will could act. He IS Paul here.
Still think Denzel is better!
Better what? The better black actor?
We the People Aren’t Sure Who ‘We’ Even Are
Everybody Talks About the Weather . . . We Don't:
He's possessed by Carlton.
The worst kind of yellowness is to put on blindfolds then to deal with our ourselves.
The best part of the movie right here.
When the Fresh Prince is deleted
The imagination and paranoid schizophrenia is ..purposeful he seems to explain in chaos
Inventing Anna Delvey
firzlaff what the flip
Interesting, but Will Smith delivers it in a way that sounds like he has never read anything he cites, outside of Catcher in the Rye
I agree. The analysis is very interesting but Smiths delivery doesnt sell.
mmm, could be, he's a bit detached, but in the end.. it kinda makes sense with his character (don't know if you saw the movie, but maybe it's a tad on purpose?)
I'd argue that is exactly the point. Smith, even then, was a good enough actor that if his character REALLY believed all of that, we would see more conviction in his body language and face, and we'd hear it more in his voice. But the fact is that the character is a con-artist -- he is presenting a false front because he knows EXACTLY what privileged people like his listeners really want to hear. It comes off to us as smarmy and disingenuous because it IS -- but THEY don't know that.
Watch the movie. He's a grifter who uses the bullshit he collects along the way to disarm people just enough to take from them. He's the phony he's talking about the whole time.
@@jeffreybaer6386 I haven't seen the movie but it really came off that way and I thought I was just misinterpreting it lol. He hops from source to source at a frantic pace that is well spoken but only really comes to an average conclusion that doesn't really mean all that much
Y’all are now one degree closer to me 😇😂
Now an angry man who should never be on stage for his violence hitting the host ! And the Oscar goes to trash !
Method acting will
Neville Goddard. The Imagination wake-up!!!
Who wrote this scene?
The play that the film is based upon was written by John Guare.
@@wehoandy thank you.
This is a perfect example of postmodern neomarxist projection.
How so?🤔
@@javierluz7569 have you read "Catcher in the Rye"?
Neo was the one, not a marxist
@friend your strawman needs a brain, I hope your steelman has heart.
@@peterhooper2643 If Neo was the one, he should have figured it out in the first movie. Instead we get one kick ass movies and three mediocre attempts trying to relive the first.
Is this the movie that he goes down on a man, how soon we forget he is gay
Yep.
Nice soliloquy but all it did, for me, was to affirm that I won't be watching Six Degrees of Separation. I'd rather The Catcher in the Rye, the movie.
But the author doesn't allowed to make a movie of The Catcher in the Rye.
lol he slapped chris rock
Will smith is so gay in this
He sucks......sounds. same.on all his acting 😂😂😂😂
He's just playing Barack Obama.
More like Obama was playing him.
Prophetic!!!
Christ, what would he think now?!