Best part of this movie is the respect these two show for each other. The charismatic athlete with the genius. They realized they needed each other to make it work. What they have in common is an absolute love for the great game of baseball. This is my favorite scene of this movie.
Grady: “His legs are gone, Billy. Why do you like him?” *Billy points at Pete* “Because he gets on base.” *emphatic point back to Grady* Is the best part. The guy in charge lets some fucking intern school the scouts.
@@Testinator1234 As I watched this clip, I asked myself - "I wonder how this movie went down in countries where baseball is not popular or even played at all." Scrolled down to the 2nd comment and got an answer. I happen to love the game, but I totally get people who find the pace of it to be slow
I was like that with the movie Rounders from '98 to about 2012. Didnt know the game, but knew the struggles btw some old school favorite Actors! Damon, Norton, Malkovich. After a small handful of social college games of not losing much.. $20 a weekend... I quit. Was being take advantage of. 5 yrs later, i sent to poker and dealing scool to learn and... Im still not building any comforting back- dollar!!!! Tips?
Conor Gregg cricket became rounders and rounders became baseball, there are Masonic fairy tales about Abner Doubleday and Alexander Cartwright, and those are rich race surnames
Yeah, but $3 million in the Bay is the same as $800k in other places. I'm sure he needed a second job at Whole Foods to make ends meet. 😆(sorry, just f-ing around)
But that whole thing would’ve probably cost him his career. After pulling such a risky stunt like that, if it failed, there’s no way in hell any baseball team owner would want him running his team.
I don't think the math on that checks out, as he was offered a 12.5 million 5 year contract with the Red Sox. No way they would be paying him less than the A's, as that ends up being 2 million a year and change. so 2.1 million a year From what I've read in articles, he was making $1 million a year with the A's back then
My favorite line "it's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves, don't to anyone" it's very true if you're trying out a new idea that you know people are not going to like but you're in charge you don't have to explain why and trying to just waste time
You can't admire that line in isolation from the line before it when he says, "I don't think we're asking the right question here. What we should be asking is, 'Do you believe in this thing or not'." You don't do things just because you can; that's just purely stubborn, idiotic, and douchey. Rather, you do something despite the noise and the backlash because you did your due diligence, and you know you should---because you. believe. in what. you're doing.
@@alexayers9463to be honest you speak like someone who's never been in charge when you're in charge you have to make split-second decisions that affect the lives of a lot of people potentially thousands and as I said trying to explain just wastes time of course you have to believe in what you're doing that's a given but trying to explain everything to everyone so they can feel good about the idea that is idiotic
Not really. Pete is not some 25 year old wrought with insecurities. He's fine gambling his job on his theories. He's rightfully hesitant to gamble with Billy's career, and the financial security of his child. It just shows he's a decent person. Then Billy lays out that he understands exactly what's on the line, he has both eyes wide open and Pete doesn't need to explain himself.
This is such an inspirational scene and people don't know of it. If you believe that something that you're doing is right, take a chance and don't take heed of what others have to say
I mean, maybe take *some* heed lol. I think the lesson is more accurately, "if you do believe in what you're doing, don't go half measures. Don't try to pretend you're doing something else that compromises your strategy. Go for it or don't."
@@mskcrc very good. Sold 2 yrs ago for 6 figure profit and have reinvested 35% of those profits a 15 months later while The price is cheap. 👍 Patience is the key.
I didn’t really think too hard about it when I first saw this but the dichotomy of Billy’s explanation is so fabulous as it just boils down to “it’s way too late for me if this goes belly up and you’ll be set no matter what”
Trading Jeremy Giambi for John Mabry was a great move...it's the trade he made before this one ("When you get the answer you want, hang up."). I believe Mabry went on to win a ring...with St. Louis...twice!
@MANCHESTER UNITED who the fuck care how big a sport is, I watch alot of different sport and could care less how many others enjoy it. All you say is that you like soccer because alot of others do. Thats just pathetic
Oakland's ownership like what they have, despite the fact they've seen guys like Jason Giambi, Josh Donaldson, Yoenis Cespedes, and Marcus Semien, just to name a few, leave. I'm inclined to believe that Beane has the job as long as he wants it and there's literally nothing he could do to get fired.
He doesn't take them that often, but his 'serious' acting roles are pretty good. I've only seen Wolf Of Wall Street and War Dogs, that I can remember, but they're pretty fantastic.
Be dismissive of Hollywood and all the glitz and glam and bells and whistles all you want; it's chock-full of stories with countless inspiring and illuminating moments---like this one. I love movies and what they've done for my life.
I think the issue with Hollywood is that they take some real life stories and then make them less interesting or real by injecting needless drama into them. I liked the movie Argo, but the ending with the runway scene was totally unnecessary. Moneyball is interesting, but when you look at the realities that it glossed over, it cheapens the story for me.
I kind of see what you mean. I think the story of the Apollo XIII lunar mission is a great story, and recently I saw a video that contained actual audio clips between Apollo XIII and mission control. Everyone was so calm and professional that if they re-enacted those clips, the movie would've been almost drama free and boring. So embellishment there probably made the movie better, but at the same time, the movie kind of understates just how cool these guys were under such stressful situations. So dramatization can work both ways. In this particular case, I feel it kind of has a cheapening effect.
Brad Pitt: ‘I’m a 44 yr old man with a high school diploma…your a graduate of Yale with an impressive apprenticeship. I think we’re asking the wrong questions here, the questions we should be asking is do we believe it or not?’ BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! ❤️❤️🙂🙂
No one talks about Jonah Hill, the more movies I watch with him the more I see that he is a good actor not just the crazy kid from Superbad🤣 he did an amazing job in this movie
This movie speaks volumes about America, about evolving from the past no matter how steeped in tradition, any particular institution is. This movie gives me faith in the world.
@@Sumguyinavan_ that's human nature. There is a depth of population and freethinkers that overcomes this. Brilliance and individual driven change is en evidence all the time.
From 2007 to 2012 the A's didn't finish above .500. The drama in this movie is amazing. The A's proved that it doesn't matter what you do in MLB. Unless you spend money you're most likely not going to win a championship. If you do (like the Royals did), the time at the top will be very short. All the A's really did was let the cat out of the bag for the rich teams to exploit this new way of thinking. (See: Giants, Cubs, Red Sox for some examples.)
At that point towards the end of Babel when Brad is on the phone in the hospital calling his kids, I always like to think that what he’s actually saying is: “Dave! Peña’s going on the block. You’re my first call....”
Everyone brings up the A's Big 3, and for good reason. They were instrumental in the A's success in 2002. But that's not the point of the movie. It's about how Billy Beane along with Paul DePodesta went against the grain of traditional, and massively archaic MLB thinking, saw value in guys who no one else was interested in and turned a put together to just get through the season team into a playoff contender. As instrumental as Zito, Mulder and Hudson were, they were already A's and well on their way to tremendous success. They weren't outsiders who everyone else had passed up on.
This is the difference between belief and faith. He believed it before, but now he has to go against the conventional wisdom and trust what he believes. That's faith.
What we're talking about is sabermetrics - analytics in sports. It's scientific metrics applied to baseball, enabled through recent advancements in computational power. It was a big deal *culturally* in the traditional world of baseball, "old school" ways of doing things had to be overcome, but it's not accurate to call it "faith". If Beane hadn't done it, someone else would have been right behind him doing the same thing, the same way that computational power has been applied to all other big-money sports, as well as in nearly all aspects of life in the industrialized world.
Hidden lesson in this scene. Some of the worst coworkers and managers I have ever had we're always afraid to make the call, try something and see if works..even when the current process was failing. All were/are too afraid of loosing their job. I say, so what. Make the attempt, and if you fail, and if the company is stupid enough to fire you for it ..so what. Take a month off, then go get a better job probably making more money.
Precisely. I tried in two places I worked to innovate them past the way that they did things. Got fired both times. In one, I was "upsetting the culture". At the other, I was smarter than the boss, and he got rid of me before I could be promoted past him. Both companies are gone now, and I'm still here.
Pena didn't even start getting good until 2007 and this transaction was in 2002 where he was only hitting .218 Also his prime only lasted for 4 years after 2007 since his last good year was 2011. I don't understand why Peter and Art were pissed when Billy traded him.
Benish Ben I might have been too unclear here. All I'm refering to is the way this clip ends. The film's editing I think is quite good! But I mean, seriously?? A millisecond before Brad's next line with his hands in the air? Could have waited two more seconds or cut it earlier.
The book went over this - relievers were an inefficient market, because everyone looked at the wrong things, so they got a lot of value there. And when they drafted, they would often draft college pitchers, because they were the most developed, and most likely to succeed
I love the movie but it leaves out very crucial things like: Pena only had a .724 ops at 1st base. Tejada had an MVP season and Chavez matched him at 34 home runs. Dye was a darn good outfielder. Zito and Moulder were battling each other for the Cy Young and Hudson was the best 3rd starter in MLB. Beane is a good GM but he didn't invent the wheel as portrayed in this movie and there is a shift in baseball away from moneyball.
Carlos Pena's stat line with the A's in 2002 was pretty lousy (though his power made him look promising to many in the industry) and he wouldn't blossom into a major star until he signed with Tampa Bay in 2007. Though even now, trading a prospect just to prove a point would be seen as lunacy
They didn't just trade him for some random relief pitcher though, they traded him (along with a pair of young pitchers that Beane never wanted) for coveted starting pitcher Jeff Weaver and $600K. Beane then flipped Weaver to the Yankees for starting pitcher Ted Lilly, who was just as good as Weaver but only making 1/3 of the money Weaver was, plus a pair of prospects from the Yankees. This was a really good trade that added depth to their starting rotation and found a full time spot in the lineup for Hatteberg's bat, plus gave them the payroll flexibility to add Ray Durham & Ricardo Rincon at the trade deadline.
I think you mean a "crisis of confidence," as President Carter referred to it in his famous State of the Union address. And that was the lesson Billy Bean taught him in this scene: If you believe in an idea then cultivate it and do not second-guess your decision. It especially holds in this context, when they are trying to sell a revolutionary concept to an entire MLB organization ... owners, managers, players, fans, staff, etc. Confidence is the trait that makes "con men" successfully pull off their grifts.
The reason I liked this movie is simple: Listen to the experts. The smart guys. They researched. They did the work. Sadly, I just don't get enough of that from reality these days
This is a good movie BUT..... the amount of talent on that team was ridiculous. Zito, Hudson, Mulder, dye, tejada, and chavez were honestly all like top five at their positions. This team had 8 all stars not counting Pena. They act like this team was a bunch of nobodies.
The absolute dumbest exchange in an otherwise excellent movie (dialog wise) is when Beane talks about how he'd like to be able to send his daughter to college. He literally spent $225,000 of his own money at another point in the movie to pay for a player. That scene was almost certainly for dramatic effect (I can't find a reputable source saying it happened) but if you're going to put that line in there, you can't have him acting like he's worried about paying for the college education of his daughter a few weeks earlier. In reality, the As were an incredible success under Beane - he became GM prior to the 1998 season, and the As had improved every year on his watch. They went from 64 wins in 1997 to 75 his first year, then went to 87 to 91 and finally to 102 wins in 2001. He was not in any danger of being fired based on what was essentially a bad first quarter of the season in 2002, and one decision on one player. And if the As were dumb enough to do that, another team would have snapped him up in a heartbeat
Out of the context of a movie, when you want to move someone off your roster and you find a potential trade partner, you oversell to get what you want.
Of course whether you want "a shot in the head or five shots to bleed out" may depend on who's doing the shooting and how many goodbyes you'd like to make...
This is one of the only scenes of the movie that really bothers me. Pena was hot garbage on the A's. .218 7 16 in 40 games. There's no one who thought Pena was an all star. And no one, and I mean no one, thought of him as a potential ROY candidate.
Value (to employer) > wages paid-earned > employee's cost (of living, providing for). Note, on math symbol language : 8 > 3 ... this symbol, > , like a bird's beak... the hungry bird goes for the bigger number. ... 2 < 5.
A beautiful relationship between academic theory and years of real-word experience.
well said
Best part of this movie is the respect these two show for each other. The charismatic athlete with the genius. They realized they needed each other to make it work. What they have in common is an absolute love for the great game of baseball. This is my favorite scene of this movie.
Grady: “His legs are gone, Billy. Why do you like him?”
*Billy points at Pete*
“Because he gets on base.”
*emphatic point back to Grady*
Is the best part. The guy in charge lets some fucking intern school the scouts.
Man I LOVE this movie. And I don't know jack about baseball
@@Testinator1234 As I watched this clip, I asked myself - "I wonder how this movie went down in countries where baseball is not popular or even played at all." Scrolled down to the 2nd comment and got an answer. I happen to love the game, but I totally get people who find the pace of it to be slow
I was like that with the movie Rounders from '98 to about 2012. Didnt know the game, but knew the struggles btw some old school favorite Actors! Damon, Norton, Malkovich. After a small handful of social college games of not losing much.. $20 a weekend... I quit. Was being take advantage of. 5 yrs later, i sent to poker and dealing scool to learn and... Im still not building any comforting back- dollar!!!! Tips?
MegaLBreezy Baccarat.
I'm British and literally have never watched a game of baseball in my life and loved it. As the film went on I got more of a clue of the rules
Conor Gregg cricket became rounders and rounders became baseball, there are Masonic fairy tales about Abner Doubleday and Alexander Cartwright, and those are rich race surnames
It’s funny that they’re pretending that Billy is gonna be broke if this doesn’t work out. As Oakland’s GM he was making 3 million a year.
Yeah, but $3 million in the Bay is the same as $800k in other places. I'm sure he needed a second job at Whole Foods to make ends meet. 😆(sorry, just f-ing around)
But that whole thing would’ve probably cost him his career. After pulling such a risky stunt like that, if it failed, there’s no way in hell any baseball team owner would want him running his team.
I don't think the math on that checks out, as he was offered a 12.5 million 5 year contract with the Red Sox. No way they would be paying him less than the A's, as that ends up being 2 million a year and change. so 2.1 million a year
From what I've read in articles, he was making $1 million a year with the A's back then
Lifestyle. You never know how much someone is holding on to. Plus taxes in CA take quite a bit.
@@bluescluessuperagentI think he leveraged that Red Sox offer into a minority ownership stake in the A’s
My favorite line "it's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves, don't to anyone" it's very true if you're trying out a new idea that you know people are not going to like but you're in charge you don't have to explain why and trying to just waste time
You can't admire that line in isolation from the line before it when he says, "I don't think we're asking the right question here. What we should be asking is, 'Do you believe in this thing or not'." You don't do things just because you can; that's just purely stubborn, idiotic, and douchey. Rather, you do something despite the noise and the backlash because you did your due diligence, and you know you should---because you. believe. in what. you're doing.
@@alexayers9463to be honest you speak like someone who's never been in charge when you're in charge you have to make split-second decisions that affect the lives of a lot of people potentially thousands and as I said trying to explain just wastes time of course you have to believe in what you're doing that's a given but trying to explain everything to everyone so they can feel good about the idea that is idiotic
A single new idea that eventually had to be ingratiated with all levels of the team with it being backed up or explained to get the best results
This is the difference in wisdom/confidence between a 44 year old man and a 25 year old man.
No it’s not
No this is the difference between a movie and real life
Not really. Pete is not some 25 year old wrought with insecurities. He's fine gambling his job on his theories. He's rightfully hesitant to gamble with Billy's career, and the financial security of his child. It just shows he's a decent person.
Then Billy lays out that he understands exactly what's on the line, he has both eyes wide open and Pete doesn't need to explain himself.
I wouldn't say that. Usually the roles would be reversed. Billy just had a certain character and personality type.
"when you have answer you need, hang up" - my new mantra
This is such an inspirational scene and people don't know of it. If you believe that something that you're doing is right, take a chance and don't take heed of what others have to say
So, anyway... how's that crypto portfolio doing?
I mean, maybe take *some* heed lol. I think the lesson is more accurately, "if you do believe in what you're doing, don't go half measures. Don't try to pretend you're doing something else that compromises your strategy. Go for it or don't."
@Chris Jones Dunning-Kruger is real
@@mskcrc very good. Sold 2 yrs ago for 6 figure profit and have reinvested 35% of those profits a 15 months later while
The price is cheap. 👍 Patience is the key.
If what you're doing or believing is right, it doesn't matter if no one else agrees with you. Just do what's right.
"Who's FABIO?"
"He's.....he is a shortstop from Seattle."
Watched this only last night.Great film.
Jan Garbutt great film, but an inexcusable number of lies and grave exaggerations
I watch it all the time when my midlife crisis gets to me
@swimteammSteeze haha I see what you did there. 😆
I didn’t really think too hard about it when I first saw this but the dichotomy of Billy’s explanation is so fabulous as it just boils down to “it’s way too late for me if this goes belly up and you’ll be set no matter what”
It's lonely at the top. Great life movie.
What a powerful scene. Absolutely underrated scene!
This is the kind of boss i need
The kind who will get rid of you at the drop of a hat if someone better comes along?
@@theguywhoisaustralian1465 lol, you really dont get it, thats funny
@@Maaden84 Then explain it to me instead of being condescending
You do whatever it takes to win. When the money man is stingy, creativity is all you've got.
Buzzer beater riposte Roger W 👌🔥🔥
Not a brad pitt fan, but god damnit he nailed this role and I love it!!!!!
Lt.Dan well you are now, the premise of this movie, kinda like Brad Pitt in movies, under rated actor Bc of the roles he chooses sometimes.
you are so right my friend
he killed it
Sounds like your a Brad Pitt fan now. He is not a bad actor..all the time>just some of the time
@@Steve-vl5mg He was great in Inglorious Bastards
Trading Jeremy Giambi for John Mabry was a great move...it's the trade he made before this one ("When you get the answer you want, hang up."). I believe Mabry went on to win a ring...with St. Louis...twice!
Must be thinking of someone else. Mabry left the team before 2006.
@MANCHESTER UNITED no one cares
@MANCHESTER UNITED who the fuck care how big a sport is, I watch alot of different sport and could care less how many others enjoy it. All you say is that you like soccer because alot of others do. Thats just pathetic
@M because anyone can play it, and all you need is a ratty ball.
@@randymagnum143 To be fair, that is what helped baseball become popular as well. All you needed as a ratty ball and a stick
One of my fav movies ever
"I'm gonna see this thing through, for better or worse." Nineteen years later, he is still in Oakland. Where are all the other GMs?
Brian Cashman is still in NY
Oakland's ownership like what they have, despite the fact they've seen guys like Jason Giambi, Josh Donaldson, Yoenis Cespedes, and Marcus Semien, just to name a few, leave. I'm inclined to believe that Beane has the job as long as he wants it and there's literally nothing he could do to get fired.
Winning championships
I never cared for Jonah Hill. Until this movie. Seeing him act so wonderfully in a serious roll completely changed my thoughts about him
He doesn't take them that often, but his 'serious' acting roles are pretty good. I've only seen Wolf Of Wall Street and War Dogs, that I can remember, but they're pretty fantastic.
@@christophkogler6220 he was great in jump street to.
Brad Pitt: love him or hate him, that guy just oozes "cool".
He also doesnt enjoy power lines
he is from cool world
Be dismissive of Hollywood and all the glitz and glam and bells and whistles all you want; it's chock-full of stories with countless inspiring and illuminating moments---like this one. I love movies and what they've done for my life.
Alex Ayers well said! Same for me.. this movie always inspires me
I think the issue with Hollywood is that they take some real life stories and then make them less interesting or real by injecting needless drama into them. I liked the movie Argo, but the ending with the runway scene was totally unnecessary. Moneyball is interesting, but when you look at the realities that it glossed over, it cheapens the story for me.
Well if this movie changed your life you should check out some of the old ones. This was an awesome film though. And I don't even like baseball.
All good stories deserve embellishment.
I kind of see what you mean. I think the story of the Apollo XIII lunar mission is a great story, and recently I saw a video that contained actual audio clips between Apollo XIII and mission control. Everyone was so calm and professional that if they re-enacted those clips, the movie would've been almost drama free and boring. So embellishment there probably made the movie better, but at the same time, the movie kind of understates just how cool these guys were under such stressful situations. So dramatization can work both ways. In this particular case, I feel it kind of has a cheapening effect.
I never like explaining myself. Sometimes, you just have to go for it. 🎉
It's not a popular thing to say but Brad Pitt is an exceptional actor.
It's one of those that get better
Amazing leadership.
"He makes the rest of the team look bad!"
No
Jonah Hill's reaction is perfect...
Yup. You don't owe an explanation to anyone if what you believe what you're doing is right.
Brad Pitt: ‘I’m a 44 yr old man with a high school diploma…your a graduate of Yale with an impressive apprenticeship. I think we’re asking the wrong questions here, the questions we should be asking is do we believe it or not?’
BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! ❤️❤️🙂🙂
With a daughter I would like to get through college. Missed out that part
If only all bosses spoke so candidly.
This is the best sports movie ever. Remember the titans as 2nd and Coach Carter as 3rd.
Really cool
Exactly
This is my favorite Brad Pitt movie. He did a fantastic job playing Billy Beane
@Fau Q It's easy to play those typical roles in Snatch and Fight Club. This is probably his best work. I agree with Gary. It's also my fav Pitt movie.
Fau Q nah bruh, Moneyball is better 😉
@Fau Q if you dont care, then why do you keep writing about it
They hit the cycle
I forgot just how good a job Jonah Hill does in this film. Stellar.
I wish the movie had more scenes like this
This was my favorite scene, too.
Love this movie!
"And I want everyone that's seen the Sound of Music more than three times!"
No one talks about Jonah Hill, the more movies I watch with him the more I see that he is a good actor not just the crazy kid from Superbad🤣 he did an amazing job in this movie
the first time you try to apply something of mathematics is always scary
"The only place where it's necessary to justify anything is in Microsoft Word." ~My cousin, Andrew
That’s so poignant
Yeah man.
I do.
It's a pretty fucking good attitude to have.
This movie speaks volumes about America, about evolving from the past no matter how steeped in tradition, any particular institution is. This movie gives me faith in the world.
but man will they resist that change even when the evidence is right in front of them
@@Sumguyinavan_ that's human nature. There is a depth of population and freethinkers that overcomes this. Brilliance and individual driven change is en evidence all the time.
Billy: "It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves. Don't. To anyone"
FX in the corner: "Yeahh! Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll!!"
From 2007 to 2012 the A's didn't finish above .500. The drama in this movie is amazing. The A's proved that it doesn't matter what you do in MLB. Unless you spend money you're most likely not going to win a championship. If you do (like the Royals did), the time at the top will be very short. All the A's really did was let the cat out of the bag for the rich teams to exploit this new way of thinking. (See: Giants, Cubs, Red Sox for some examples.)
At that point towards the end of Babel when Brad is on the phone in the hospital calling his kids, I always like to think that what he’s actually saying is: “Dave! Peña’s going on the block. You’re my first call....”
This movie doesn't mention Zito Mulder and Hudson.. Jermaine Dye is overlooked Tejada was on PEDs. Penalty trade was 3 team trade
Everyone brings up the A's Big 3, and for good reason. They were instrumental in the A's success in 2002. But that's not the point of the movie. It's about how Billy Beane along with Paul DePodesta went against the grain of traditional, and massively archaic MLB thinking, saw value in guys who no one else was interested in and turned a put together to just get through the season team into a playoff contender. As instrumental as Zito, Mulder and Hudson were, they were already A's and well on their way to tremendous success. They weren't outsiders who everyone else had passed up on.
For one,things had to be left out for time.And some of the players probly didn't give permission to have their names used.
It is a movie, not a documentary. Sheesh.
This is the difference between belief and faith. He believed it before, but now he has to go against the conventional wisdom and trust what he believes. That's faith.
What we're talking about is sabermetrics - analytics in sports. It's scientific metrics applied to baseball, enabled through recent advancements in computational power. It was a big deal *culturally* in the traditional world of baseball, "old school" ways of doing things had to be overcome, but it's not accurate to call it "faith". If Beane hadn't done it, someone else would have been right behind him doing the same thing, the same way that computational power has been applied to all other big-money sports, as well as in nearly all aspects of life in the industrialized world.
@@briankoontz1 Faith is trusting what you believe.
Hidden lesson in this scene. Some of the worst coworkers and managers I have ever had we're always afraid to make the call, try something and see if works..even when the current process was failing.
All were/are too afraid of loosing their job. I say, so what. Make the attempt, and if you fail, and if the company is stupid enough to fire you for it ..so what. Take a month off, then go get a better job probably making more money.
your concept of what it means to lose your job is very different from mine lol
What better job could Billy Beane have gotten if he was fired?
If there were only two options: 1. Fired for incompetence or 2. Fired for insubordination, I think I'd go for #2.
Precisely. I tried in two places I worked to innovate them past the way that they did things. Got fired both times. In one, I was "upsetting the culture". At the other, I was smarter than the boss, and he got rid of me before I could be promoted past him. Both companies are gone now, and I'm still here.
@@conversationflex3238 The problem is that the incompetent are rarely fired, but the insubordinate often are.
Money ball = steals are not worth the outs that go with them and the walk is underrated. Johnny Damon didn't get on base enough.
And then Damon went on to win 2 rings with organizations that spent top dollar to get there, lol
Did Ben from Canada bring anyone else here?
I should probably just go ahead and buy this movie.
There RUclips I've watched it.
Back again. See you all in 2025.
Baseball Is Good. ⚾
Juice.
Billy Bean had a sack. Paul DePodesta didn't. One is still in baseball, the other isn't.
Mike W one is the gm of an NFL team making 3x the other
Word
Jonah Hill was great in this movie.
Pena didn't even start getting good until 2007 and this transaction was in 2002 where he was only hitting .218
Also his prime only lasted for 4 years after 2007 since his last good year was 2011. I don't understand why Peter and Art were pissed when Billy traded him.
Jonah Hill is so underrated
Horrible Cut!! But great scene, thanks for uploading!
Benish Ben I might have been too unclear here. All I'm refering to is the way this clip ends. The film's editing I think is quite good! But I mean, seriously?? A millisecond before Brad's next line with his hands in the air? Could have waited two more seconds or cut it earlier.
@Benish Ben fucking*
No need to be an overly sensitive teenager who is afraid of regular words.
It's a problem that you think we should explain ourselves. Don't. To anyone.
Played himself in true romance
What was their strategy for pitchers though? Would a team with high OBP and shitty/mediocre pitchers beat a team with average OBP and great pitchers?
The book went over this - relievers were an inefficient market, because everyone looked at the wrong things, so they got a lot of value there. And when they drafted, they would often draft college pitchers, because they were the most developed, and most likely to succeed
No one is an all star should have been the message
And it worked. Had asses in seats.
my number 1 rule in life. i don't explain myself to anyone. ever.
general mayhem really? How come?
@@hecetewest5411 LOL!
Ur a moron then
I don’t understand why you do that. In all cases? Every time regardless of the situation, w o fail? Why do you never explain?
The thumbnail looks like Peter Griffin cosplaying as Harry Potter
Jonah Hill's performance 👏
I love the movie but it leaves out very crucial things like:
Pena only had a .724 ops at 1st base.
Tejada had an MVP season and Chavez matched him at 34 home runs.
Dye was a darn good outfielder.
Zito and Moulder were battling each other for the Cy Young and Hudson was the best 3rd starter in MLB.
Beane is a good GM but he didn't invent the wheel as portrayed in this movie and there is a shift in baseball away from moneyball.
Why am I getting moneyball clips reccomended?
If it's a problem you think RUclips should explain, Don't. lol
Under my circumstances, I beg to defer.
Carlos Pena's stat line with the A's in 2002 was pretty lousy (though his power made him look promising to many in the industry) and he wouldn't blossom into a major star until he signed with Tampa Bay in 2007. Though even now, trading a prospect just to prove a point would be seen as lunacy
A awesome point to prove over a dickhead coach
They didn't just trade him for some random relief pitcher though, they traded him (along with a pair of young pitchers that Beane never wanted) for coveted starting pitcher Jeff Weaver and $600K. Beane then flipped Weaver to the Yankees for starting pitcher Ted Lilly, who was just as good as Weaver but only making 1/3 of the money Weaver was, plus a pair of prospects from the Yankees. This was a really good trade that added depth to their starting rotation and found a full time spot in the lineup for Hatteberg's bat, plus gave them the payroll flexibility to add Ray Durham & Ricardo Rincon at the trade deadline.
Just a great movie.
Never meant more.
Bill Belichick liked this video... lol
The high school jock just schooled the Yaley.
experience and wisdom schools intelligence and inexperience anyday
I think you mean a "crisis of confidence," as President Carter referred to it in his famous State of the Union address. And that was the lesson Billy Bean taught him in this scene: If you believe in an idea then cultivate it and do not second-guess your decision. It especially holds in this context, when they are trying to sell a revolutionary concept to an entire MLB organization ... owners, managers, players, fans, staff, etc. Confidence is the trait that makes "con men" successfully pull off their grifts.
Ya nailed it. I agree.
And the Yaley saved the jock's job and team.
The reason I liked this movie is simple: Listen to the experts. The smart guys. They researched. They did the work. Sadly, I just don't get enough of that from reality these days
The issue is Billy did the exact opposite lol
But I thought Donald Trump and Joe Rogan are our experts and smart guys.
This is a good movie BUT..... the amount of talent on that team was ridiculous. Zito, Hudson, Mulder, dye, tejada, and chavez were honestly all like top five at their positions. This team had 8 all stars not counting Pena. They act like this team was a bunch of nobodies.
The team didnt have a dime
try hArDEr no but they had up and comers that were just as good as giambi and Damon
The absolute dumbest exchange in an otherwise excellent movie (dialog wise) is when Beane talks about how he'd like to be able to send his daughter to college.
He literally spent $225,000 of his own money at another point in the movie to pay for a player. That scene was almost certainly for dramatic effect (I can't find a reputable source saying it happened) but if you're going to put that line in there, you can't have him acting like he's worried about paying for the college education of his daughter a few weeks earlier.
In reality, the As were an incredible success under Beane - he became GM prior to the 1998 season, and the As had improved every year on his watch. They went from 64 wins in 1997 to 75 his first year, then went to 87 to 91 and finally to 102 wins in 2001. He was not in any danger of being fired based on what was essentially a bad first quarter of the season in 2002, and one decision on one player. And if the As were dumb enough to do that, another team would have snapped him up in a heartbeat
Golden piece of ass - I mean advice in this scene ☝️
Would like to point out Pena was NOT rookie of the year... or close...
yeah, the movie definitely overrated him. he wasnt that good. h\
Walls Dramatic licence
Yep, he was batting 9th and Hatteberg was batting 3rd. They really did not think that highly of him to begin with.
Out of the context of a movie, when you want to move someone off your roster and you find a potential trade partner, you oversell to get what you want.
It was just a sales pitch.
Actually I would advice eveyone to do explain themselves in their daily work, especially engineers, doctors, etc...
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Clean my schmeckle
Of course whether you want "a shot in the head or five shots to bleed out" may depend on who's doing the shooting and how many goodbyes you'd like to make...
Been shot twice already.
Fk the goodbyes, give me one in the head if it ever happens to me again.
I was pissed when he traded Pena
Hey Billy if they made a movie about you who would you want to play you?
Billy: How about Brad Pitt? … Laughs. 😂. I really enjoyed this movie.
He was not talking on the. phone.
About top tear player.
This is one of the only scenes of the movie that really bothers me. Pena was hot garbage on the A's. .218 7 16 in 40 games. There's no one who thought Pena was an all star. And no one, and I mean no one, thought of him as a potential ROY candidate.
He was a top prospect who was just starting out, they meant a future All Star, not current
Go sox
weird al yankovic
Value (to employer) > wages paid-earned > employee's cost (of living, providing for).
Note, on math symbol language :
8 > 3 ... this symbol, > , like a bird's beak... the hungry bird goes for the bigger number.
... 2 < 5.
anyone else waiting for sex drugs & rock n roll to come on?
Don’t trade Carlos Pena
Brad Pitt was fucking made for Hollywood. I mean damn
"A higher intelligence does not owe a lower intelligence an explanation." - Me.