Want to clarify one thing on the video. Based on the comments I'm getting the feeling that a lot of people think I'm nit-picking or criticizing the movie. Not my intention... I think the movie is excellent and because it's a movie, a lot of the "inaccuracies" or decisions made by the director/editor are for ease of narrative, flow of the scenes, and overall making the movie work for general audiences. I just find some of the differences interesting and sheds some light into the filming process and decision making in the editing room. For instance, things being out of order in the movie versus the real game... I firmly believe they filmed them in order, but in editing it didn't flow as well as what they did in the final cut. If it makes the movie better dramatically and from a flow standpoint, then for the movie's sake that is a good decision. Some people may disagree, but I find enjoyment in pointing out "errors" or "inconsistencies" in some of my favorite movies, mostly because it sheds light into the filmmaking process and why certain decisions are made, and deepens my appreciation of the movie. In other words, "nit-picking" a movie to death for me is not a "Movie Sins" wag of the finger, but instead done out of an appreciation and understanding of the movie. That said, the two most important things in the game (Mike Sweeney's HR and Hatteberg's HR) were absolutely spot on. All of the other things pointed out were minor and really inconsequential to the overall plot and themes of the movie.
Sometimes when you are filming, you just never get a shot to come out the way you picture it in your mind. So, you may need to elevate other shots a resequence to make the narrative flow together. That’s the difference between filming a documentary and making a drama. It is more important to get the emotional truth of the movie correct, than the factual, chronological order.
I didn't get the feeling you were trashing the movie at all. It's interesting to analyze the differences in real life events vs the films that depict them. Great job with the video, mate. I dig your content.
I took this for granted. Obviously I don't care how accurate the movie was, I'm watching out of curiosity, and assumed you made the video in the same spirit. Makes me wonder why those people even clicked on the video. Some people are just looking for something to complain about.
"Now pinch-running for Raúl Ibañez at third, Raúl Ibañez. And Raúl Ibañez steps to the plate. Wait, we're going to have a pinch-hitter here. And it'll be Raúl Ibañez."
I remember watching this game as a Royals fan. I'm 27 now so I was only 8 so watching this game I was just excited that we came all the way back and disappointed we lost. It honestly wasn't until I saw this movie that I realized I literally watched history. And didn't think anything of it other than we lost a crazy game
The most impressive thing about the movie to me was Casey Bond (guy who played Chad Bradford) did a great job in the movie replicating how the actual Chad Bradford pitched. I know Bond did play baseball before turning to acting, but that still can't be an easy thing to just go out there and throw the ball like that.
I have a theory that they actually had an entire subplot filmed about Bradford struggling in high pressure games that was cut out (it's in the book). That's why they had an actor play him and not a baseball player extra, left in a speaking line for him, and during game 20 they emphasized the pitching change in the 8th inning (showing the manger coming to the mound, a few closeups on Bradford, etc). The book didn't really have a resolution to that subplot, so they cut it from the movie because there's really no resolution to the conflict which is what you want in a movie story... but you can see traces of it in some of the footage that was edited down.
@@YouOnlyIiveTwice It's completely speculation, so I could be wrong, but read the book taking notes for another video I was working on right after seeing the movie, and you can kinda see references to what the book talked about but they don't actually have the subplot.
@@napalmpudding Oh definitely. I think all those editing decisions were good choices. This is a movie, not a documentary. Gotta have it tell and story and flow well.
I was at game 20. The thing I remember most about that night besides Hatteberg's home run was the electricity in the air driving into the parking lot. You could literally feel it where all the hairs on the back of your neck are standing up. And the stadium seemed like it ws pulsating as I walked toward it. Been to playoff football and basketball games and this game is number one on my list. A truly magical night in sports that I will never forget.
@@MmmScotty it was insane. My dad wanted to leave in the 9th inning to beat traffic but my siblings and I told him "if we leave now we're gonna come back and win!" Oh, and it was my 15th birthday :)
My biggest beef with Moneyball (book and movie) is it fails to mention their dominant starting pitching. Prime Zito, Hudson, Mulder, and Harang. Hitting is only half of the game.
@@BaseballsNotDead what im saying is that Tejada stepped up and became just as productive as Giambi. They didn't have to fill the shoes of Giambi because Tejada replaced him internally
@@BaseballsNotDead u should still probably mention it at some point in the movie. We’re not stupid bro, we both know the movie frames it as a team full of players the whole league viewed as dogshit. Non baseball fans literally think they had no stars, when they had arguably the best shortstop in the game, an absolute fucking ace on any team in the league, and a loaded rotation. It never once mentions a word of this lmao
used to be myself. raised on the game... but then they expand games to 4 hours, go pink, GOVid, and all kinds of other pc correct progressive horse manure. lost the love. baseball may not be dead - but it is surely dying.
It was easy to be romantic about baseball.....when baseball was different and stood out. Used to mean something when say Oakland played San Fran or the Yankees played the Mets. Now? Meeehh see that every year. Then add on the ever expanding playoffs. What are we up to now? 5 teams per league? 6? 8? It WAS the only sport where the regular season actually meant something. Now? Hell under .500 teams make the playoffs....
Because the umps control the game, reviewing a play and it being “non reviewable” so someone gets away with cheating on tape 💀. Yall betas never played or seen a real sport so you like this shit 😂 i would say play hockey but youd be dead after the first hit or fight 🤷♂️
If he had already passed away at that point I’m sure they would have included something about him, but at the time this came out (2009?), I don’t think Gwynn had health issues
@@jeremymccommons7741 he wasn’t playing in 2009, that’s why he was commentating in these clips from 2002… he was an ESPN announcer throughout the mid-2000s and then for TBS later
Yeah, heard his voice and thought "what is TG Jr talking about here?" for about a second then remembered TG Sr was an ESPN announcer after retiring from the Padres, before settling in as coach of the Aztecs.
@@JMacSD he was already the Aztecs head coach. He took over the first season after retiring. He just wouldn't do any games for ESPN until the college season was over.
@@darrellhall6622 I’d rather think of Gallaraga from the Tigers who had thrown a perfect game…..except Jim Joyce ruined it by mistakenly calling safe 🤷🏼♂️
I grew up in San Diego and at least around my "circle" of people, we LOVED Tony Gwynn. After his passing, I remember reading on Deadspin and a few other sites of stories of fans who actually met Mr. Padre and there was nothing but love for how kind of a human he was. One story that stuck with me was that Wil Clark (I don't remember him being on the Pads) calling the ball boys "f*ggots" for no reason (that's definitely Wil Clark) and Tony calling him out on his shit and later signing some bats and balls for the kids. I also remember hearing how Tony was always known for hanging out after games making sure everyone got an autograph and maybe a little chat. Great dude. Passed away way too young, but made a whole generation of fans in his time. Rest in Power.
The most accurate parts of the recreation in the movie were Justice falling into the left field wall on the Tucker double, Sweeney's home run, how he wasn't sure it left the park and taking a few steps and watching it before running the bases, the game tying base hit for the Royals, which landed in almost the exact spot and the throw home was damn near exact (almost looked like they used actual footage here), and Hatteberg stepping into the box, the ball, and the home run swing. Even the way Pratt ran the bases, all the way down to the celebratory arm swing and pump were almost exact to what Hattie did in the actual game.
@@BaseballsNotDead It looks like they did similar cuts for some of the cut-off throws. Having one of the leads watching the game on TV at that point really allowed for the use of existing footage to feel organic in the flow of things.
Huge respect to Pratt for studying that- he's talked about that research to recreate the moment. Absolutely nailed it. And with Fincher directing, seems like he had to be unbelievably specific and do it over and over and over with the same enthusiasm. Phenomenal work, honestly
The acting on the faces of Brad Pitt, Johan Hill and Philip Seymour Hoffman was magnificent on the last crack of the bat.. Pitt shocked and relieved, Jonah kind of confused and excited and Hoffman in disbelief and kinda think dang Billy was right
Brad Pitt sells that he can actually act better than anyone else in the biz. Since this movie he's gone to wearng a $1,500 mullet and thinks we don't notice. lol
Thanks for putting this together. Really well done. I wasn't quite ready to unexpectedly hear Tony Gwynn's voice today. Hit me right in the gut. Rest in peace, one of my favorite humans.
What about hearing Bill Kings famous "Holy Toledo" that instantly made me think of the Raiders. Makes sense he called the radio broadcast for the A's as well.
R.I.P Tony Gwynn, One of if not the GREATEST hitter of all time. Watching him and Griffey play was something truly special, two Men who really played for the love of the game!
This game was much more exciting actually seeing it in person. The stadium went crazy when Hatteberg hit that walk off. The reason I went was because it was dollar ticket and dollar hot dog night.
Damn its crazy to hear Tony Gwynn's voice as the announcer for this game. Really cool to hear Tony Gwynn Jr. announcing the Padres games occasionally these days.
I'm a fan of how they Hollywooded the call for Hatteberg to PH. Art Howe engineered the 90s Astros, brought Bagwell and Biggio to the majors and won consistently. To have him as the de facto villain was my ONLY weakness for the movie. They even had Jonah Depodesta sneering at an ESPN report that gave Art credit. For them to give him that moment in this movie was big for me. Overall it's pure Magic. Truth is Stranger Than Fiction, right? If I was watching a fictional movie and the team blew an 11-0 lead with Tim Hudson on the mound only to win on a walk-off HR by the sweetheart player of the movie, ON THE DAY of the record win streak?? I would turn it off then and there.
This video was a jomboy breakdown. Great editing. You deserve a RUclips plaque for the dedication to the details of this movie and actual footage. Personally I think the movie did a great job replicating the game. A lot of the flubs were because there needed to be some theatricals.
Also they did it for cinematic value. Baseball is a difficult game to see as a team game, and they were emphasizing how much one player can change the game so drastically. Plus, the focus is on the players and not the fans for the purpose of the movie, so the director was probably trying to make it seem like the spotlight was on the players
@Matt B i was an extra in the stadium. It was legitimately full, i had never seen mt davis full like that for any raider or a's game. Not even a battle of the bay or playoff.
I always liked baseball, played as a kid, but never really watched or followed the sport to close (watched the movie) but I just noticed at the end when Hatteburg was running the bases, and he swung his arms in celebration- that’s a super iconic moment in baseball, like I remember seeing that celebration highlight years ago- now I finally randomly know why, makes that movie even better to me now lol. Saw this movie twice. Pretty good-
@@salisburythefox8324 was the norm for them lol i know they were bad but that terrible team was actually fun to watch they are why I am a fan of baseball. The next year was the we believe year when I was a kid kansas city was so alive. Great hitting teams just terrible pitching
Also I never missed a game when they were on national broadcast I still don't to this day. While were here fuck espn for their coverage of salvy in the homerun derby
I remember when this happened as a kid but obviously couldn’t remember the details of this game. Im surprised and glad they made it pretty accurate to what actually happened. I mean the real game for the record 20th win was such a crazy game anyway so you dont need to make it anymore dramatic. Most movies still would have made them blow like a 30 run lead, Hatterberg would have had a broken leg and then hit the homerun. He also would have promised come child cancer patient he would hit a homerun for him and they would have added the earthquake that happened in the world series or something trying to pass it off for “based off a true story”
@@michaelviens2894 “in a stunning string of event, the A’s have blown a 30 run lead. Here we are folks, bottom of the 9th, game tied, 30/30. Hatteburg steps up to the plate….he’s had a decent season so far but he just recently broke his leg. This unfortunately might effect his swing. The break occurred, oddly enough, when you stood up off the players bench. First pitch in - ball one….. Hatteburg, just today visited the local general hospital……and promised a cancer patient child, little Jimmy Peterson, a home run tonight. Let’s see if he can make this kids dreams come true… On a 2-2 pitch, and…….holy hell it’s a earthquake!! Dear god folks, brace yourselves. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have word that the I-90 skyway has just collapsed, in the midst of this earthquake. God bless the souls of those driving to and from on the skyway. Scary times…… Full count now……Hatteburg steps into the pitch and - holy hell it’s a dinger into far left field….. Back, back, back……and it’s gone!!!!!! Hatteburg smacks a home run in the bottom of the 9th to win the World Series!!! Just look at that jolly a$shore crawl from first to 2nd with his broken leg. Baaaahhhhhh gawdddddd ya gotta love baseball folks”…… And scene…..
For all of the editing decisions and minor inaccuracies, they absolutely nailed the error at second by Tejada, Mike Sweeney's home run, and Hatteberg's at bat. It shows they put in a lot of time recreating those 3 shots. For the one hit that was bobbled in the corner, I don't think they were able to get convincing footage of the bobble (it's hard to recreate a mistake accurately and look authentic) so they cut to real game footage of the bobble for a couple of seconds (and also dimmed the lighting on that real game footage to match their movie footage). They did it in a way where you don't really notice it.
Ya I always thought Chris Pratt did a great job as Hatteberg. He did an incredible job with Hatteberg’s swing and even his jog around the bases is identical. Not to mention Pratt actually looks a lot like Hatty. I wonder if that was a big reason that he got the job.
Honestly, the biggest surprise in this was actually hearing that there is some Godspeed You! Black Emperor in the Moneyball movie at the end of the video. Edit: I"m an idiot and mistook This Will Destroy You for Godspeed. Everyone, point and laugh at the dunce.
@@petermoore7796 A fellow man of culture, I see. My older brother introduced me to them a while ago, and they are really good as well. I just uh... Didn't even notice or hear it in the video.
This feels like one of those movies, like Apollo 13, where the test audiences probably thought it fake with too much Hollywood drama. “Up 11-0, then tied at the bottom of the 9th, and he hits a home run? Only in Hollywood!”
This is an awesome video. Although everything isn't exact, Moneyball is imo one of the best sports movies of this generation. Especially when there wasn't another baseball movie at the time
I saw this movie in theaters as a preview (before the final cut was made). This game took 20 minutes of film and was full of cuts of seemingly every pitch/hit, etc… I’m glad they edited down to what you see in the final cut but I guess they had continuity issues that may have stemmed from cutting scenes that mimicked the actual game’s play-by-play.
Wow, thanks for the info. This was definitely the feeling I got when looking deep into the final product. It seemed like they took the footage they had available and worked it into a cohesive 8 minutes in order to better tell the story, which included moving some shots around out of order. And, honestly, unless you really dig into it like I did here, it isn't noticeable at all.
I thought it was a good movie. Haven't been a baseball fan since I was a kid. The comparison you show here, points out how real life can be as good as a script. I'm sure many who watched the move, thought this game was a product of the writers. Glad to see we were wrong.
Ummm…. In the past decade their highest attendance is 23rd of the 30 teams and they’re 29th again this year. It’s a bad situation for the city and the team. Unfortunately it’s time for a divorce….
@@robapple78 Ummm...Yea if you haven't noticed our stadium is a dump its not even supposed to be a baseball stadium it was built for football. Lot of history in oakland it would be a shame to have oakland lose ALL 3 sports teams . I was at the coliseum during this streak with over 52,000 other fans. The New stadium on the water is our only hope and if it gets approved it will be a game changer
Man I couldn't imagine what the fans, Billy, and especially the players felt when they had a 11-0 lead, and the Royals tie it up. Man that must of been gut renching. But every time I see the tie my heart drops, but when I see the win I start tearing up.
Billy is like me. Like I don’t watch important games of my fav team because I believe if I watch I jinx them. Same as Billy here, but the team is leading 11-0. He turned back his car to watch the game, just to watch his team blow a 11 runs lead. Heart wrenching
I was managing a slow pitch softball team at the time, and I had somebody replace me for a game that night so I could go to Oakland to see this game. The worst play from my perspective, understanding strategy was when Tejada tried to throw out the runner at home when the bases were loaded. The A's still had a big lead at that time, and just needed an out. Tejada's blunder could have cost them the game.
Great video man! I thought the audio from the film was real. I can actually appreciate the dramatic liberty they took a bit more because of your context. Considering they are trying to get someone, not necessarily a spectator of baseball, to feel like one of the fans attending that night. really neat video.
The wonderful, colorful Bill King calling the game in the movie. He was the radio voice of the Oakland Raiders and often did not hesitate to let the fans know how some of the stupidity Raider evinced itself when their rep started tarnishing in the late 80s as they began their descent into the Mäelstrom began.
Played with Scottie when we won the 14-year old little league state championship. One of the best people I knew growing up. Been waiting for Scottie to be a manager of an MLB team! Love ya Man ❤️
This Will Destroy You's Mighty Rio Grande added a depth to the scene that hit me right in the solar plexus. The sound of all struggles redeemed in one glorious moment.
I miss PSH so much, every time I see the fella on a film I wonder all the roles he could still have made, it is one of the few famous guys I trully miss, as an artist obviously since I didnt really know him, or did I? Dont we all know a little bit of those guys after those films?
After i saw this movie i started to watch baseball, at the beginning i thought it was boring but in couple of weeks i enjoy the game, great sports and great video
I was at that game and couldn't spot out the differences. I don't think anyone was surprised when hatteberg pinch hit. Our offense needed a spark and he was our guy. Great job!
I found it absurd that there was never a mention of starting pitching in the film. The only pitcher discussed was a reliever (Bradford), meanwhile the A’s had guys like Zito, Mulder, Hudson, etc... And Beane had no problem getting guys with a bunch of college innings on their arms, and thus shorter career windows. This certainly should have been in the film. One last thing about the book and film that was silly, the idea that OBP value was somehow invented by Beane and his Ivy League assistant. Gene Michael & Bob Watson did this almost 10 years earlier in NY and built a successful dynasty. The whole philosophy that Beane describes in the film of taking pitches and knocking out starters is exactly what the Yankees were doing years before this. The only difference is that Beane had to keep cost in mind, whereas Michael could go after guys who take pitches/get on base without worrying so much about cost (Boggs for example). Aside from the “money” part, the entire baseball philosophy in the book/film was not revolutionary.
As a friars season ticket holder and from meeting both father and son a few times, I concur… He really is Jr and making pops proud everyday continuing to work for the padres and being a great family man. An amazing family… missin Tony. Wish he could see today's Brown & Gold padres. He'd love Tatis!!!
I was pretty young when this happened, I think it was MLB 2005 that had Eric chavez on the cover and that was the first baseball video game I played when I was 9, so I don’t even remember this era of the A’s as Im a Red Sox fan. But I don’t think I’ve EVER heard an A’s crowd as loud as when he hit that walk off
Neifi Perez....oh Neifi Perez. We all hated him. Didn't help that he was traded for a fan favorite (Jermaine Dye). That 2002 team was so hard to watch. They won almost every time Paul Byrd pitched but lost so many other games in ridiculous fashion.
Want to clarify one thing on the video. Based on the comments I'm getting the feeling that a lot of people think I'm nit-picking or criticizing the movie. Not my intention... I think the movie is excellent and because it's a movie, a lot of the "inaccuracies" or decisions made by the director/editor are for ease of narrative, flow of the scenes, and overall making the movie work for general audiences. I just find some of the differences interesting and sheds some light into the filming process and decision making in the editing room.
For instance, things being out of order in the movie versus the real game... I firmly believe they filmed them in order, but in editing it didn't flow as well as what they did in the final cut. If it makes the movie better dramatically and from a flow standpoint, then for the movie's sake that is a good decision.
Some people may disagree, but I find enjoyment in pointing out "errors" or "inconsistencies" in some of my favorite movies, mostly because it sheds light into the filmmaking process and why certain decisions are made, and deepens my appreciation of the movie. In other words, "nit-picking" a movie to death for me is not a "Movie Sins" wag of the finger, but instead done out of an appreciation and understanding of the movie.
That said, the two most important things in the game (Mike Sweeney's HR and Hatteberg's HR) were absolutely spot on. All of the other things pointed out were minor and really inconsequential to the overall plot and themes of the movie.
Sometimes when you are filming, you just never get a shot to come out the way you picture it in your mind. So, you may need to elevate other shots a resequence to make the narrative flow together. That’s the difference between filming a documentary and making a drama. It is more important to get the emotional truth of the movie correct, than the factual, chronological order.
@@robynharris7179 Well said.
I didn't get the feeling you were trashing the movie at all. It's interesting to analyze the differences in real life events vs the films that depict them. Great job with the video, mate. I dig your content.
I took this for granted. Obviously I don't care how accurate the movie was, I'm watching out of curiosity, and assumed you made the video in the same spirit. Makes me wonder why those people even clicked on the video. Some people are just looking for something to complain about.
You don’t have to explain yourself to the whiners in the comments. Just do what you do, and forget about those pussies.
The director was definitely a huge Raul Ibanez fan.
"Now pinch-running for Raúl Ibañez at third, Raúl Ibañez. And Raúl Ibañez steps to the plate. Wait, we're going to have a pinch-hitter here. And it'll be Raúl Ibañez."
who isn’t a huge Raul Ibanez fan tbh
I'm just glad the home plate umpire wasn't Raul Ibanez.
@@fireinthenight9028 Or WAS HE
@@ElusiveClarity bro, now you f terrifying me.
soon I go to bed, I'm scared he might be already there.
First he hits the game winning home run then goes on to be the guardian of the Galaxy
Dude trains raptors too. Talk about range
@@MilkyJohnsons He also works at a local Parks and Rec in Indiana
CHRIS PRATT IS SCOTT HATTEBERG?!
But he also slept with an Askavarian. 😨
Scott hatteberg is built different 💪
I'm not even an As fan or anything, but the way the movie crafted the ending of that game just gives me chills.
I'm not a baseball fan and loved that movie!
Same omg
I remember watching this game as a Royals fan. I'm 27 now so I was only 8 so watching this game I was just excited that we came all the way back and disappointed we lost. It honestly wasn't until I saw this movie that I realized I literally watched history. And didn't think anything of it other than we lost a crazy game
I hate the ending to that movie
@@leonidas5363 Reality is often disappointing.
The most impressive thing about the movie to me was Casey Bond (guy who played Chad Bradford) did a great job in the movie replicating how the actual Chad Bradford pitched. I know Bond did play baseball before turning to acting, but that still can't be an easy thing to just go out there and throw the ball like that.
I have a theory that they actually had an entire subplot filmed about Bradford struggling in high pressure games that was cut out (it's in the book). That's why they had an actor play him and not a baseball player extra, left in a speaking line for him, and during game 20 they emphasized the pitching change in the 8th inning (showing the manger coming to the mound, a few closeups on Bradford, etc). The book didn't really have a resolution to that subplot, so they cut it from the movie because there's really no resolution to the conflict which is what you want in a movie story... but you can see traces of it in some of the footage that was edited down.
@@BaseballsNotDead Oh wow I didn't even know that!
@@YouOnlyIiveTwice It's completely speculation, so I could be wrong, but read the book taking notes for another video I was working on right after seeing the movie, and you can kinda see references to what the book talked about but they don't actually have the subplot.
@@BaseballsNotDead they could've made the movie much longer but i'm kinda glad they didn't. the movie is just really airtight as is
@@napalmpudding Oh definitely. I think all those editing decisions were good choices. This is a movie, not a documentary. Gotta have it tell and story and flow well.
I was at game 20. The thing I remember most about that night besides Hatteberg's home run was the electricity in the air driving into the parking lot. You could literally feel it where all the hairs on the back of your neck are standing up. And the stadium seemed like it ws pulsating as I walked toward it. Been to playoff football and basketball games and this game is number one on my list. A truly magical night in sports that I will never forget.
I love stuff like this, I’m thrilled for you to have been there to experience a great piece of baseball history.
This is how I felt about seeing Game 6 of the 2011 WS as a Cardinals fan. Nothing beats a baseball game like that.
I was there too. Oakland baseball, despite everything the ownership groups had tried, always found its way to magic.
@@AliceYobbyholy fuck I was jumping around my
House I couldn’t imagine being there for that
@@MmmScotty it was insane. My dad wanted to leave in the 9th inning to beat traffic but my siblings and I told him "if we leave now we're gonna come back and win!" Oh, and it was my 15th birthday :)
My biggest beef with Moneyball (book and movie) is it fails to mention their dominant starting pitching. Prime Zito, Hudson, Mulder, and Harang. Hitting is only half of the game.
and they don't mention miguel tejada and how he won the mvp to "replace Giambi" Like, they did have a replacement for him
2001 A's had Tejada AND Giambi... so losing Giambi did require a replacement outside of Tejada.
I always bring that up. Plus Tejada, Chavez, Long, & Dye. but Harang only won 5 games with a 4.8 ERA
@@BaseballsNotDead what im saying is that Tejada stepped up and became just as productive as Giambi. They didn't have to fill the shoes of Giambi because Tejada replaced him internally
@@BaseballsNotDead u should still probably mention it at some point in the movie.
We’re not stupid bro, we both know the movie frames it as a team full of players the whole league viewed as dogshit. Non baseball fans literally think they had no stars, when they had arguably the best shortstop in the game, an absolute fucking ace on any team in the league, and a loaded rotation. It never once mentions a word of this lmao
How can you not be romantic about baseball?!!
That’s right Billy! 😎🤟
used to be myself. raised on the game... but then they expand games to 4 hours, go pink, GOVid, and all kinds of other pc correct progressive horse manure. lost the love. baseball may not be dead - but it is surely dying.
It was easy to be romantic about baseball.....when baseball was different and stood out. Used to mean something when say Oakland played San Fran or the Yankees played the Mets. Now? Meeehh see that every year. Then add on the ever expanding playoffs. What are we up to now? 5 teams per league? 6? 8? It WAS the only sport where the regular season actually meant something. Now? Hell under .500 teams make the playoffs....
This was the start of all the analytical crap flooding baseball
Because the umps control the game, reviewing a play and it being “non reviewable” so someone gets away with cheating on tape 💀. Yall betas never played or seen a real sport so you like this shit 😂 i would say play hockey but youd be dead after the first hit or fight 🤷♂️
I didn’t know Tony Gwynn announced the game. Wish that was in the movie a little. Good to hear his voice again.
If he had already passed away at that point I’m sure they would have included something about him, but at the time this came out (2009?), I don’t think Gwynn had health issues
Tony Gwynn was still playing at that point, idk why they would've had him announce the game when they were obviously trying their best for realism
@@jeremymccommons7741 he wasn’t playing in 2009, that’s why he was commentating in these clips from 2002… he was an ESPN announcer throughout the mid-2000s and then for TBS later
Yeah, heard his voice and thought "what is TG Jr talking about here?" for about a second then remembered TG Sr was an ESPN announcer after retiring from the Padres, before settling in as coach of the Aztecs.
@@JMacSD he was already the Aztecs head coach. He took over the first season after retiring.
He just wouldn't do any games for ESPN until the college season was over.
If it were really that dark on a baseball field, no one would be able to see the ball
Right. I know the Coliseum is a dump in real life but the lighting was usually OK. But in the movie, the lighting was terrible.
For dramatic effect
I've always hated that about baseball in movies how they make it so dark. Hell, in The Fan, they are both in the dark and in a torrential rainstorm.
@@agrofindastationit makes it easier for them to hide things in the background that are not there.
In the back of the starting pitchers mind, he was probably thinking “I had an 11-0 lead, how tf am I not getting a W on my record!”
Think about poor Indians pitcher that was four out for a rare performance only to give up a base hit. 7 2/3 innings perfection
@@darrellhall6622 I’d rather think of Gallaraga from the Tigers who had thrown a perfect game…..except Jim Joyce ruined it by mistakenly calling safe 🤷🏼♂️
@@mysteryman0216 u j u my nu
@@mysteryman0216
28* Out imPerfect/Perfect Game *
@@darrellhall6622 that’s 7 outs away.
The world was robbed with Tony Gwynn passing so young.
I grew up in San Diego and at least around my "circle" of people, we LOVED Tony Gwynn.
After his passing, I remember reading on Deadspin and a few other sites of stories of fans who actually met Mr. Padre and there was nothing but love for how kind of a human he was.
One story that stuck with me was that Wil Clark (I don't remember him being on the Pads) calling the ball boys "f*ggots" for no reason (that's definitely Wil Clark) and Tony calling him out on his shit and later signing some bats and balls for the kids.
I also remember hearing how Tony was always known for hanging out after games making sure everyone got an autograph and maybe a little chat.
Great dude. Passed away way too young, but made a whole generation of fans in his time. Rest in Power.
Still one of the best baseball movies and a testament to the statement, “How can you not be romantic about baseball?”
The most accurate parts of the recreation in the movie were Justice falling into the left field wall on the Tucker double, Sweeney's home run, how he wasn't sure it left the park and taking a few steps and watching it before running the bases, the game tying base hit for the Royals, which landed in almost the exact spot and the throw home was damn near exact (almost looked like they used actual footage here), and Hatteberg stepping into the box, the ball, and the home run swing. Even the way Pratt ran the bases, all the way down to the celebratory arm swing and pump were almost exact to what Hattie did in the actual game.
For Justice falling, they cut to the actual game footage. That's why there's a weird resolution change.
@@BaseballsNotDead It looks like they did similar cuts for some of the cut-off throws. Having one of the leads watching the game on TV at that point really allowed for the use of existing footage to feel organic in the flow of things.
I saw the Sweeney home run from the right field upper deck. It just hung up there, and I was certain it was going to go foul...
Huge respect to Pratt for studying that- he's talked about that research to recreate the moment. Absolutely nailed it. And with Fincher directing, seems like he had to be unbelievably specific and do it over and over and over with the same enthusiasm. Phenomenal work, honestly
Fun Fact: Brent Mayne was on deck when Barry Bonds was walked intentionally with the bases loaded. Mayne lined out to end the inning.
I thought that was Rich Aurillia
@@mynameismarcusT it was Mayne...if were talking about Diamondbacks game
not the inning, the game
it was the bottom of the ninth with two outs
The acting on the faces of Brad Pitt, Johan Hill and Philip Seymour Hoffman was magnificent on the last crack of the bat.. Pitt shocked and relieved, Jonah kind of confused and excited and Hoffman in disbelief and kinda think dang Billy was right
Brad Pitt sells that he can actually act better than anyone else in the biz. Since this movie he's gone to wearng a $1,500 mullet and thinks we don't notice. lol
It’s so hard to act surprised
Dude… so much depth in them
They’re like above you
@@CSDonohue11 And you're who, again?
Thanks for putting this together. Really well done.
I wasn't quite ready to unexpectedly hear Tony Gwynn's voice today. Hit me right in the gut. Rest in peace, one of my favorite humans.
What about hearing Bill Kings famous "Holy Toledo" that instantly made me think of the Raiders. Makes sense he called the radio broadcast for the A's as well.
I didn't think about the context and took it as Jr. for granted. Jr. does look and sound like pops for sure.
Amazing. Great job.
Even fpv got this vid in his recommended today
That's high praise coming from FPV.
I think they rigged the real games so it was like the movie
The movie was made after the games
@@thecreekgangtcg8829 bruh
@@thecreekgangtcg8829 no shit
@@thecreekgangtcg8829 LMAOOOO
@@thecreekgangtcg8829 actually??????
One of my all time favourite sports movies. Gives me chills every time I see it. Reminds me why baseball is so beautiful
Watch hundreds of times, still get chills
R.I.P Tony Gwynn, One of if not the GREATEST hitter of all time. Watching him and Griffey play was something truly special, two Men who really played for the love of the game!
I enjoy listening to tony Gwynn talk baseball
Miss him every day, man.
Thanks for this. I knew I recognized the voice, but blanked on who it was. Came to the comments specifically to find out
I use to go over his house every weekend after school.. Tony jr and I were best friends back n the day..
This game was much more exciting actually seeing it in person. The stadium went crazy when Hatteberg hit that walk off.
The reason I went was because it was dollar ticket and dollar hot dog night.
Damn its crazy to hear Tony Gwynn's voice as the announcer for this game. Really cool to hear Tony Gwynn Jr. announcing the Padres games occasionally these days.
I'm a fan of how they Hollywooded the call for Hatteberg to PH. Art Howe engineered the 90s Astros, brought Bagwell and Biggio to the majors and won consistently. To have him as the de facto villain was my ONLY weakness for the movie. They even had Jonah Depodesta sneering at an ESPN report that gave Art credit. For them to give him that moment in this movie was big for me.
Overall it's pure Magic. Truth is Stranger Than Fiction, right? If I was watching a fictional movie and the team blew an 11-0 lead with Tim Hudson on the mound only to win on a walk-off HR by the sweetheart player of the movie, ON THE DAY of the record win streak?? I would turn it off then and there.
This video was a jomboy breakdown. Great editing. You deserve a RUclips plaque for the dedication to the details of this movie and actual footage. Personally I think the movie did a great job replicating the game. A lot of the flubs were because there needed to be some theatricals.
I appreciate it
Well put together ! Nice vid
Thanks for watching
BIG problem with Moneyball was that the baseball scenes were too dark.
How come the movie makes it seem like such a dark and lonely place on, and in the park? I mean they are lit up like a Christmas tree
Because they are creating tension
Also they did it for cinematic value. Baseball is a difficult game to see as a team game, and they were emphasizing how much one player can change the game so drastically. Plus, the focus is on the players and not the fans for the purpose of the movie, so the director was probably trying to make it seem like the spotlight was on the players
The darkness also contributes to the feeling of the A's as a low budget team, which was such a central theme to the film.
@Matt B i was an extra in the stadium. It was legitimately full, i had never seen mt davis full like that for any raider or a's game. Not even a battle of the bay or playoff.
I also don't like the fact that the scene was so dark. It made if feel cold and depressing in an odd way . I think it was a poor choice.
I always liked baseball, played as a kid, but never really watched or followed the sport to close (watched the movie) but I just noticed at the end when Hatteburg was running the bases, and he swung his arms in celebration- that’s a super iconic moment in baseball, like I remember seeing that celebration highlight years ago- now I finally randomly know why, makes that movie even better to me now lol. Saw this movie twice. Pretty good-
Commenting to help the algorithm great work on this... i remember watching this game as a royals fan when I was a kid
Were you upset about it?
@@salisburythefox8324 was the norm for them lol i know they were bad but that terrible team was actually fun to watch they are why I am a fan of baseball. The next year was the we believe year when I was a kid kansas city was so alive. Great hitting teams just terrible pitching
Also I never missed a game when they were on national broadcast I still don't to this day. While were here fuck espn for their coverage of salvy in the homerun derby
Ah, so you're the one that brought me here.
@@spoonsz F**k ESPN for a lot more than that! They may as well be YESpn because they’re in bed with the Yankees! 🤮
I remember when this happened as a kid but obviously couldn’t remember the details of this game. Im surprised and glad they made it pretty accurate to what actually happened. I mean the real game for the record 20th win was such a crazy game anyway so you dont need to make it anymore dramatic.
Most movies still would have made them blow like a 30 run lead, Hatterberg would have had a broken leg and then hit the homerun. He also would have promised come child cancer patient he would hit a homerun for him and they would have added the earthquake that happened in the world series or something trying to pass it off for “based off a true story”
They should make a movie out of your last paragraph
@@danevertt3210 stop it 😂 😂
@@michaelviens2894 “in a stunning string of event, the A’s have blown a 30 run lead.
Here we are folks, bottom of the 9th, game tied, 30/30.
Hatteburg steps up to the plate….he’s had a decent season so far but he just recently broke his leg. This unfortunately might effect his swing. The break occurred, oddly enough, when you stood up off the players bench.
First pitch in - ball one…..
Hatteburg, just today visited the local general hospital……and promised a cancer patient child, little Jimmy Peterson, a home run tonight. Let’s see if he can make this kids dreams come true…
On a 2-2 pitch, and…….holy hell it’s a earthquake!! Dear god folks, brace yourselves.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have word that the I-90 skyway has just collapsed, in the midst of this earthquake. God bless the souls of those driving to and from on the skyway. Scary times……
Full count now……Hatteburg steps into the pitch and - holy hell it’s a dinger into far left field…..
Back, back, back……and it’s gone!!!!!!
Hatteburg smacks a home run in the bottom of the 9th to win the World Series!!! Just look at that jolly a$shore crawl from first to 2nd with his broken leg. Baaaahhhhhh gawdddddd ya gotta love baseball folks”……
And scene…..
I love baseball played it my whole life but I would rather watch UFC nowadays or my Tampa Bay rays!!! Tampa. Bay….
Pratt did a real nice job with really getting hattebergs mannerisms during that at bat to a T
Especially the shoulder shrug. He was on point
For all of the editing decisions and minor inaccuracies, they absolutely nailed the error at second by Tejada, Mike Sweeney's home run, and Hatteberg's at bat. It shows they put in a lot of time recreating those 3 shots. For the one hit that was bobbled in the corner, I don't think they were able to get convincing footage of the bobble (it's hard to recreate a mistake accurately and look authentic) so they cut to real game footage of the bobble for a couple of seconds (and also dimmed the lighting on that real game footage to match their movie footage). They did it in a way where you don't really notice it.
Ya I always thought Chris Pratt did a great job as Hatteberg. He did an incredible job with Hatteberg’s swing and even his jog around the bases is identical. Not to mention Pratt actually looks a lot like Hatty. I wonder if that was a big reason that he got the job.
Watching this video all I can think about is "I miss Tony Gwynn"
Bill King??
Holy Toledo??
Honestly, the biggest surprise in this was actually hearing that there is some Godspeed You! Black Emperor in the Moneyball movie at the end of the video.
Edit: I"m an idiot and mistook This Will Destroy You for Godspeed. Everyone, point and laugh at the dunce.
the main theme is also a great post-rock song called "The Mighty Rio Grande" by This Will Destroy You
@@petermoore7796 A fellow man of culture, I see. My older brother introduced me to them a while ago, and they are really good as well. I just uh... Didn't even notice or hear it in the video.
i don’t hear any godspeed. i hear this will destroy you, am i missing something?
This video has "The Mighty Rio Grande" by This Will Destroy You. I don't know what Godspeed You! Black Emperor song you're referring to?
@@grumpytuber No you're not, lol. I'm just an idiot.
There must have been a line for the shitter after this game finished.
This feels like one of those movies, like Apollo 13, where the test audiences probably thought it fake with too much Hollywood drama. “Up 11-0, then tied at the bottom of the 9th, and he hits a home run? Only in Hollywood!”
Just an excellent piece of work here, thank you.
This is an awesome video. Although everything isn't exact, Moneyball is imo one of the best sports movies of this generation. Especially when there wasn't another baseball movie at the time
I saw this movie in theaters as a preview (before the final cut was made). This game took 20 minutes of film and was full of cuts of seemingly every pitch/hit, etc…
I’m glad they edited down to what you see in the final cut but I guess they had continuity issues that may have stemmed from cutting scenes that mimicked the actual game’s play-by-play.
Wow, thanks for the info. This was definitely the feeling I got when looking deep into the final product. It seemed like they took the footage they had available and worked it into a cohesive 8 minutes in order to better tell the story, which included moving some shots around out of order. And, honestly, unless you really dig into it like I did here, it isn't noticeable at all.
I gotta say the time you took to put this together & the way you presented it is perfectly done. I thoroughly enjoyed watching this!
I appreciate it. You went down a rabbit hole from your own curiosity and decided to share it. It's fun!
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks for the effort . Here’s a comment to help the algorithm get this out to everyone who would love to see this just as I loved it .
Never knew it was Chris Pratt playing Hatteberg til now
Yea I thought he looked similar to Chris Pratt but never thought it was actually him lol, my mind is blown
I thought it was a good movie. Haven't been a baseball fan since I was a kid. The comparison you show here, points out how real life can be as good as a script. I'm sure many who watched the move, thought this game was a product of the writers. Glad to see we were wrong.
Man they did a great job of casting. A lot of the actors really resembled the players. Especially Chris Pratt and Scott hatteburg
Hatteberg's last homer was like 5,000 candles in the wind
Just watched that episode a couple of days ago
As an Angels fan, I've always had a soft spot and respect for the A's. This movie reminds me why.
Funny that you say that, I'm an A's fan but I really like the Angels and Angels in the outfield is a pretty good movie too lmao
Wow, first video and you smack it out of the park with over 100k views!
Congrats man! Great video
still gives me goosebumps.. I love my A's! Please don't ever leave Oakland!
Ummm…. In the past decade their highest attendance is 23rd of the 30 teams and they’re 29th again this year. It’s a bad situation for the city and the team. Unfortunately it’s time for a divorce….
The A's will be gone in 5 years
@@robapple78 Ummm...Yea if you haven't noticed our stadium is a dump its not even supposed to be a baseball stadium it was built for football. Lot of history in oakland it would be a shame to have oakland lose ALL 3 sports teams . I was at the coliseum during this streak with over 52,000 other fans. The New stadium on the water is our only hope and if it gets approved it will be a game changer
@@lordrevanz16 how kind of you to add thank you so much
@@oaktownfish3665 it's the sad reality of the situation
Man I couldn't imagine what the fans, Billy, and especially the players felt when they had a 11-0 lead, and the Royals tie it up. Man that must of been gut renching.
But every time I see the tie my heart drops, but when I see the win I start tearing up.
Billy is like me. Like I don’t watch important games of my fav team because I believe if I watch I jinx them. Same as Billy here, but the team is leading 11-0. He turned back his car to watch the game, just to watch his team blow a 11 runs lead. Heart wrenching
I was managing a slow pitch softball team at the time, and I had somebody replace me for a game that night so I could go to Oakland to see this game. The worst play from my perspective, understanding strategy was when Tejada tried to throw out the runner at home when the bases were loaded. The A's still had a big lead at that time, and just needed an out. Tejada's blunder could have cost them the game.
Still gave me the chills.
Forgot Phillip Seymour Hoffman was in this movie rip great actor
Great video man! I thought the audio from the film was real. I can actually appreciate the dramatic liberty they took a bit more because of your context. Considering they are trying to get someone, not necessarily a spectator of baseball, to feel like one of the fans attending that night. really neat video.
The wonderful, colorful Bill King calling the game in the movie. He was the radio voice of the Oakland Raiders and often did not hesitate to let the fans know how some of the stupidity Raider evinced itself when their rep started tarnishing in the late 80s as they began their descent into the Mäelstrom began.
Played with Scottie when we won the 14-year old little league state championship. One of the best people I knew growing up. Been waiting for Scottie to be a manager of an MLB team! Love ya Man ❤️
Good video. Also wonderful to hear Tony Gwynn doing color for this broadcast. I still miss him.
Thanks so much for pulling this together. Really enjoyed it.
Me: Closes RUclips and proceeds to go watch Moneyball yet again
U really put alot of effort into this.... well done
I'm lucky enough to have grown up an A's fan. Who doesn't want a great movie like this made about their favourite team? Simply iconic
I can't tell if that's Tony Gwynn or Tony Gwynn Jr. commentating on the actual game play.
That's Gwynn Sr. Great to hear his voice again...RIP Mr. Padre...
Gwynn Jr. was either in college or the minors at the time these games happened.
he sounds like he ate a fart, so it's definitely Tony Gwynn
That was Tony Gwynn the 2nd Goat hitter of all time(imo). Who played for the Padres
@@chrishoward1378 Ted Williams better be number one!
This is awesome! Well done
So awesome to hear Mr Padre on the original tv broadcast
This Will Destroy You's Mighty Rio Grande added a depth to the scene that hit me right in the solar plexus. The sound of all struggles redeemed in one glorious moment.
Good video man. Respect the work. First time ever seeing this.
I miss PSH so much, every time I see the fella on a film I wonder all the roles he could still have made, it is one of the few famous guys I trully miss, as an artist obviously since I didnt really know him, or did I? Dont we all know a little bit of those guys after those films?
He was a monster actor!
After i saw this movie i started to watch baseball, at the beginning i thought it was boring but in couple of weeks i enjoy the game, great sports and great video
Tears every time I watch this scene. My god, how can you not be romantic about baseball?
Nice to hear Tony Gwynn's voice.
Marvelous job putting this together.
This was fantastic. You have a clear love for this game. Well done.
Thanks for the visit
Great video! Had me on the edge of my seat just like back in 02.....and I'm a Yankee fan! Lol!
So glad I made it to a few of these games, during the streak. Good times at the Coli
Its crazy how accurate the stances and delivers were
How does one not tear up when you see that many happy people?
I was at that game and couldn't spot out the differences. I don't think anyone was surprised when hatteberg pinch hit. Our offense needed a spark and he was our guy. Great job!
I didn't even know the royals were in moneyball, and ad a royals fan it was a nice surprise seeing all these people I know
In that final scene, it's the same music as on Lone Survivor. Always makes me sad ☹️
Ohh wow never thought of that...This Will Destroy You definitely makes memorable music
Wow, I didn’t know they played an actual game based on the one played in the movie. Mind blown.
It actually gets better. The GM position Billy Beane turned down with Boston was taken by Theo Epstein, who promptly won the World Series in 2004.
I found it absurd that there was never a mention of starting pitching in the film. The only pitcher discussed was a reliever (Bradford), meanwhile the A’s had guys like Zito, Mulder, Hudson, etc... And Beane had no problem getting guys with a bunch of college innings on their arms, and thus shorter career windows. This certainly should have been in the film.
One last thing about the book and film that was silly, the idea that OBP value was somehow invented by Beane and his Ivy League assistant. Gene Michael & Bob Watson did this almost 10 years earlier in NY and built a successful dynasty. The whole philosophy that Beane describes in the film of taking pitches and knocking out starters is exactly what the Yankees were doing years before this. The only difference is that Beane had to keep cost in mind, whereas Michael could go after guys who take pitches/get on base without worrying so much about cost (Boggs for example). Aside from the “money” part, the entire baseball philosophy in the book/film was not revolutionary.
Concur. That’s what that team was best known for, that starting pitching corps.
Very cool!
Pretty damn accurate for most films. Give em an A-
They were foreman bashing that night for sure!! That was my favorite team in the late 90s when I was playing third base in high school
Imagine coming back from an 11-0 deficit just for them to hit a walk off bomb
Why the hell is it so dark in the movie do they got the lights off or something
Man Tony Gwynn and Tony Gwynn Jr’s voices are identical
As a friars season ticket holder and from meeting both father and son a few times, I concur… He really is Jr and making pops proud everyday continuing to work for the padres and being a great family man. An amazing family… missin Tony. Wish he could see today's Brown & Gold padres. He'd love Tatis!!!
By far the best baseball movie of all time and it’s not close. This should have more views!!
impossible not to get emotional watching this
Great story-telling.
Always puts a lump in my throat.
I was pretty young when this happened, I think it was MLB 2005 that had Eric chavez on the cover and that was the first baseball video game I played when I was 9, so I don’t even remember this era of the A’s as Im a Red Sox fan. But I don’t think I’ve EVER heard an A’s crowd as loud as when he hit that walk off
So sounds like the editor forgot to check the actual video for ABS and sequencing. Still pretty damn good
I didn’t know I needed this video!
Why are sports always played in the dark in movies?
Great video, thanks for the upload!
Enjoyed this. And I can guarantee you the editor didn't do anything accidentally or without approval.
This must've taken a while to do lol, nice vid
That Hatteberg home run ball would be an incredible ball to have. Especially if they could get it signed.
I miss Randa, Ibanez, Sweeney, and Beltran being on the Royals. Not so much the other guts though
Neifi Perez....oh Neifi Perez. We all hated him. Didn't help that he was traded for a fan favorite (Jermaine Dye).
That 2002 team was so hard to watch. They won almost every time Paul Byrd pitched but lost so many other games in ridiculous fashion.