(Budget)My first bow and current setup is Diamond Edge 320. Been into archery for 8 months now and I absolutely love it. I appreciate the content you put out as a beginner trying to learn, thank you!
I use a 12''/10'' but also add a limb saver s-coil passthrough type on ends for the addition of weights. Adds about 2'' of length and vibe kill. Final is 15.5 front and 12'' rear, the most I'd want to carry into the field. The Quattro Vulcan stabs supposedly have internal vibe control. Whether that is BS or not, I don't know, but it's perfectly leveled at the draw and completely dead in hand. I also always shoot with my quiver on, which takes a bit more rear bar bias.
Great video and excellent explanation of why and how different bars work.i run a 12” and a 8” on my hunting set up and a 27” and a 12” on my target bow. I also run my back bars more down to help me from dropping on my shot if that makes any sense.
I really appreciate this video from you guys. I've been messing with bars over the last year and this just totally helped me out of time. Thank you so much!
My current “budget” bow is a Bear Paradox, Trophy Taker Smackdown pro click, Podium offset bar and 10* quick disco, and soon will have a Redline Rl-2 sight.
Great bow! I have the Resurgence LD and the Smackdown Pro. Are you able to get two bolts into the riser with the rest? I can only get one and it's moved on me ever so slightly causing my arrows to go in tail high on paper test so my shop has been having to constantly adjust it. Maybe I need to use some lock tite?
I have a Sanlida Archery Dragon X8. I am new to archery. I really like my bow,and was just wondering what your guy's opinion was on it. RTH package. $269.
Your timing is impeccable, I was just wondering about this. Definitely need to tinker with my setup. And a bonus Supertroopers reference?! You guys are killing it!
Great content as usual, but the creativity was awesome with the face to face! The teaching and knowledge aspects always on point. Keeps the subscribers engaged and content fresh! Great work TC
Thanks for all the content,, today’s “balancing the bow” info is so often overlooked and bars are bolted on often as a formality rather than a tool. Personally, bow balance isn’t something I paid much attention to until the past 3 years. For me, front bars are useless with back bars making an incredible difference. I hunt 60 yards and in and cannot justify having a front bar as a properly tuned back bar alone keeps me steady and accurate to 60. Too many videos are focused on “do you need a back bar” whereas in my experience “do you need a front bar”? Thx again for everything you do here!🙏
Mjff talks about grabbing the bow before the arrow is out. Can you try some slow mo to show it? Not super important, just think it'd be interesting to see
May be an unpopular pick because it is a China bow, but the Sanlida Dragon 10 has very impressive specs at a 450 dollar bare bow price. It is marketed as their flagship hunting bow and Sanlida is a legit archery company that does higher end target bows. Would be very intrigued to see MFJJ pick it apart and see if it's a true budget speed bow
Similar to the Topoint Trigon. Aluminium limb pockets, American limbs, CNC machined aluminium riser, harmonic dampeners. All that as a bare bow $330 Australian which is like $200 USD I think people just hate on China gear because China
@@Ullish1989 I am on a disability pension after a bad tree stand accident and can't afford much so I purchased a Junxing M-128. It cost me $388.00 CAD and free shipping but for that price I ended up with a box of parts and had to figure it out on my own no instructions. But I did figure it out and am quite impressed.
i just love these vids. i have a kairos on the way i will be shooting for 3D and field. this is my first hunting bow and this showed me a whole new world coming from indoor archery. only very sad that in belgium we dont have events like tac wish someone would start up something over here like that. i would be all over that. keep op the great work you 2
I love the content you and mfjj put out. I think you are a great content creator and answer alot questions alot of people have, or cover topics that others dont. Keep it up
I know I'm late to the game, but I built my own aluminum tube stabilizer with an end machined to accept the Mathews Harmonic dampers and stabilizers. This is on my Ovation, it's 36" overall. One Harmonic Stabilizer and two old thick dampers. My Reezen has a 6" Axion with similar mass in it.
Always just ran a short Limb Saver S coil stabilizer. Trying to up my 3D game this year. What off set bar/bracket did MFJJ mention at the end? Would like to try that and one of his stabs in 10 or 12" Thanks for the great content.
Would love to hear suggestions for a modern bowhunter 3d setup. Pretty popular category now. Max 12" out the front. Would y'all suggest a longer backbar or still a similar ratio. Also bias or no bias?
Have you ever tried moving your d-loop up or down the string to see if the bow holds better. Also have you tried micro tuning your draw length for hold. Just thoughts.
What would Josh recommend when you build a hybrid bow? Would i go for an in-between on purposely induceing torque and a natural balance? Im in Oklahoma so not a lot of off balace shots.
YO TIM!!! I’ve been asking elkshape and Chris BEE to do this video for months! Everyone has these big ol stabilizers at different degrees and different weights blah blah blah. Thank you for taking the time and explaining how and why the bars are where they are. MFJJ is the man. The bow yoda. For sure. That should be a T shirt (just saying) much love homies from Long Island NY
Lol this was a good video but dude Elkshape and Chris Bee both have videos on setting up your stabilizers already. MFJJ is even in the video with Elkshape.
@@andrewgrogan9767 you probably watched that shower video a few times too. I’ll make a new video about how to use the search bar on RUclips just for you
Would love to see a video on what MFJJ is talking about bow reaction at the time of the shot. What does good reaction look like versus what it looks like when there are issues
Hey Tim I was in the market for a set of stabs for my new pse Mach 30 and I have always ran shrewd but I have been looking at the aae mountain light series but then I noticed Mfjj has his just wondered if there is a comparison to the two or could you do a vid comparing the two or is that just dumb to ask lol . This coming from your 1 of 6 woman scribers oh and from my to boot lmao . Anyway was just interested in both stabs wondered if there was a reason to sway one way or another . Thank you for any input !
I'll say it again Bear Alaskan XT for a budget bow. If it's good enough for the best bow hunter in our lifetimes you should be able to make a great budget bow with it
I agree 👍 Bear has definitely brought it to the table as far as a whole lot of bang for the buck to the point where 40 year archery veterans like me who grew up trying to shoot and tune Bears untunable bows aka whitetail hunter😱 and whitetail two to throw out past sins and give bear a well warranted second chance on what now are absolutely great shooting bows 👍🏹🎯
I put on a 15' front and a 7'back for hunting last year out west and i was absolutely impressed. Im 6'5, so if my 15 inch bar isnt fitting neither am i...LOL After walking a mile or two, i noticed the bars the most. (Pretty drastically if i may say) Even just having a backbar that is set up correctly is a huge game changer. IMHO Lets be honest, these long bars of destiny are INTIMIDATING! I get some looks with my setup, get asked "you hunt with that". I have started taking my bars off my bow and letting others try them at the range, 9/10 they end up going inside to the shop and buying a stabilizer..
A LOT of where your sidebar sits will be determined by grip, hand size and the shape of the riser, especially the shelf. One of my bows needs a LOT of sidebar to “balance” out, others are pretty much straight back. Don’t assume that because your last bow had a certain position that worked, that same setup will work on your new bow. The target bow was rocking back on the shot…add front weight, or remove rear weight, or rotate back bar down.
Doing the bull dance, feeling the flow, working it, working it -MFJJ. Why is it, that an extendable stabilizer ( especially in the hunting field) not been produced. Something in regards of a trekking pole or tripod style. Twist lock, extend, shorten. Have the ability to shorten it apon travel/ storage and extend to desired balance point. All I know is length can be very beneficial yet knowing when to use it is key. Keep these vids a-coming 👍
Bear Resurgence for the budget bow! Picked up mine for just over $400 brand new. Why this brand and model? I'm left handed and my draw is just under 32" so the choices where few at a "budget" price point
Tim your doing a killer job on your RUclips channel and it is really cool that you Josh helping you out a lot. Good friends stick together and that's what counts. Just one thing to ask both of you is that on my RX-8 I have the Garmin Xero bow site and still having a little hard time balancing out the bow and suggestions on how I would be able to solve my issue. I am running the 10" and 8" Hoyt stabilizers but you know how heavy the Garmin can be so just asking. Again Tim and Josh I really enjoy your content you put out and good luck getting one hundred thousand subscribers I really hope you get there fast and you will!!!
No stabilizer on my Halon 32. I had a front and rear on it a couple years. The balance is so good with the full quiver and HHA king pin, I opt not to use them.
PSE Laser ? It looks like pretty much the only things under that are Darton, within "Target bows" at least, I know people can shoot target with short bows
I’m a right handed shooter, and I find that I have to run my back bar off the right side of the bow. I have tried to figure out why, but that’s just where it likes to be.
I'm not entirely convinced this fits within the price range, but I'd make a case for the PSE Embark, though I believe its MSRP is around $750. The PSE Drive NXT is definitely within that range. Bear dominates this category with compelling options. Now, the real question emerges: Do you opt for a three-year-old used flagship bow or invest in a brand new $650 bow?
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How you setting up your stabs? Don’t forget to Go Shoot Your Bow ✊
What is that bracket called my dude!!
@@ALRob288 Wondering the same, he linked every other product discussed in the video just not that one
It's all in the motion 😉
If you need more size, then so be it.
Generally, most think bigger feels better.
Darton Consequence, would be a really nice bow build to see...
As much as it pains me, I did watch this video all the way to the end l!!
Watched the first 12 seconds almost 5 times and MFJJ glooping in the background had me tears laughing 😂. Great opening
(Budget)My first bow and current setup is Diamond Edge 320. Been into archery for 8 months now and I absolutely love it. I appreciate the content you put out as a beginner trying to learn, thank you!
I use a 12''/10'' but also add a limb saver s-coil passthrough type on ends for the addition of weights. Adds about 2'' of length and vibe kill. Final is 15.5 front and 12'' rear, the most I'd want to carry into the field. The Quattro Vulcan stabs supposedly have internal vibe control. Whether that is BS or not, I don't know, but it's perfectly leveled at the draw and completely dead in hand. I also always shoot with my quiver on, which takes a bit more rear bar bias.
I haven’t found vibration to be an issue with a hunting bow setup ✊
yeah doesn't matter but I use the same bow for target@@TimConnor13
I love their offset bracket!!! It really helps with back pack hunts too. I ran one last year and it really helped take off some of the weight.
Great video and excellent explanation of why and how different bars work.i run a 12” and a 8” on my hunting set up and a 27” and a 12” on my target bow. I also run my back bars more down to help me from dropping on my shot if that makes any sense.
Thanks for this video. Im a target shooter and its always hard to have real, honest and well explain answer with those stabilizers bar.
Great video Tim (my bad brother) and JJ. Always sliding through with a wealth of knowledge
Tom is a good 🥚
I really appreciate this video from you guys. I've been messing with bars over the last year and this just totally helped me out of time. Thank you so much!
Glad it helped my friend
Been waiting to see the latest Podium offset bar...glad it should ne coming real soon
My current “budget” bow is a Bear Paradox, Trophy Taker Smackdown pro click, Podium offset bar and 10* quick disco, and soon will have a Redline Rl-2 sight.
Great bow! I have the Resurgence LD and the Smackdown Pro. Are you able to get two bolts into the riser with the rest? I can only get one and it's moved on me ever so slightly causing my arrows to go in tail high on paper test so my shop has been having to constantly adjust it. Maybe I need to use some lock tite?
@@howardgriffinii7004 I was able to get both bolts in as well as the lil set screw on the front.
I have a Sanlida Archery Dragon X8. I am new to archery. I really like my bow,and was just wondering what your guy's opinion was on it. RTH package. $269.
Your timing is impeccable, I was just wondering about this. Definitely need to tinker with my setup. And a bonus Supertroopers reference?! You guys are killing it!
Lol 😂
Which sidebar mount and which weights did you end up on the 15/10' stabilizers? Really appreciate it!
MFJJ this episode just got me to buy you 15” stabilizer. TY for the 10% off. Keep up the hard work! Love you guys
Great content as usual, but the creativity was awesome with the face to face! The teaching and knowledge aspects always on point. Keeps the subscribers engaged and content fresh! Great work TC
Thanks for all the content,, today’s “balancing the bow” info is so often overlooked and bars are bolted on often as a formality rather than a tool.
Personally, bow balance isn’t something I paid much attention to until the past 3 years. For me, front bars are useless with back bars making an incredible difference.
I hunt 60 yards and in and cannot justify having a front bar as a properly tuned back bar alone keeps me steady and accurate to 60.
Too many videos are focused on “do you need a back bar” whereas in my experience “do you need a front bar”?
Thx again for everything you do here!🙏
Stoked you’ll be in San Antonio! Looking forward to running into you
good budget bow i have is the mission switch. its been great especially with all the easy adjustability and how much u can put into it. 👍
Mjff talks about grabbing the bow before the arrow is out. Can you try some slow mo to show it? Not super important, just think it'd be interesting to see
I have been messing with my stabilizers for the last couple of weeks. I think I got it to my sweet spot! Great Video as always!
May be an unpopular pick because it is a China bow, but the Sanlida Dragon 10 has very impressive specs at a 450 dollar bare bow price. It is marketed as their flagship hunting bow and Sanlida is a legit archery company that does higher end target bows. Would be very intrigued to see MFJJ pick it apart and see if it's a true budget speed bow
Similar to the Topoint Trigon. Aluminium limb pockets, American limbs, CNC machined aluminium riser, harmonic dampeners. All that as a bare bow $330 Australian which is like $200 USD
I think people just hate on China gear because China
@@Ullish1989 I am on a disability pension after a bad tree stand accident and can't afford much so I purchased a Junxing M-128. It cost me $388.00 CAD and free shipping but for that price I ended up with a box of parts and had to figure it out on my own no instructions. But I did figure it out and am quite impressed.
i just love these vids. i have a kairos on the way i will be shooting for 3D and field. this is my first hunting bow and this showed me a whole new world coming from indoor archery. only very sad that in belgium we dont have events like tac wish someone would start up something over here like that. i would be all over that. keep op the great work you 2
Check out the PSE Stinger and the BlackOut Distinct or Epic
BlackOut Faze is only $299
(BlackOut is made by Bear or Elite depending on the bow)
I just use a 10 degree drop 8in front bar. Was thinking about the counter slide from tim gillingham video he talked about it with a few great reasons
I love the content you and mfjj put out. I think you are a great content creator and answer alot questions alot of people have, or cover topics that others dont. Keep it up
Do we know when the latest Podium offset stab mount will be on the website? I wanna be sure to get one before they are sold out. Thanks
I know I'm late to the game, but I built my own aluminum tube stabilizer with an end machined to accept the Mathews Harmonic dampers and stabilizers. This is on my Ovation, it's 36" overall. One Harmonic Stabilizer and two old thick dampers. My Reezen has a 6" Axion with similar mass in it.
Bear Alaskan great budget bow.
I love it every Sunday night I know Monday morning I get my west coast fix love the content from ky cheers
You finally got me to subscribe. Been watching a while. JJ’s super trooper reference won me over.
Tim, do you have a link for the bi-pod on the bow in the video?
Love your videos keeps me smiling and laughing while trying to learn this or that
Always just ran a short Limb Saver S coil stabilizer. Trying to up my 3D game this year. What off set bar/bracket did MFJJ mention at the end? Would like to try that and one of his stabs in 10 or 12" Thanks for the great content.
You should do a stabalizer review and some of the best cheap stabalizers
How about the Bowtech Amplify, for the budget bow build..
Would love to hear suggestions for a modern bowhunter 3d setup. Pretty popular category now. Max 12" out the front. Would y'all suggest a longer backbar or still a similar ratio. Also bias or no bias?
So with a 3d setup, hike to hunt, ect would you set your bars up with bias or like hunting bow with no bias?
Use the Bear Legit for the budget bow.
Love this content and I’d say Bear legit seems like a contender for your budget bow build. One of bears most sold bows on the market.
Keep the content firing along, cant get enough. Especially vids like this
Thanks my dude
Have you ever tried moving your d-loop up or down the string to see if the bow holds better. Also have you tried micro tuning your draw length for hold. Just thoughts.
Bowtech amplify would be a nice bow build to see on this channel!
I would like to see the bear Alaskan xt for the budget bow build
Noted
What would Josh recommend when you build a hybrid bow? Would i go for an in-between on purposely induceing torque and a natural balance? Im in Oklahoma so not a lot of off balace shots.
Bias not torque.
What about the PSE Nock On EMBARK for the Budget Bow ???
That intro was amazing!! 😂😂
Darron Consequence for sure. Lots of flagship technology in a price point that many will enjoy.
YO TIM!!! I’ve been asking elkshape and Chris BEE to do this video for months! Everyone has these big ol stabilizers at different degrees and different weights blah blah blah. Thank you for taking the time and explaining how and why the bars are where they are. MFJJ is the man. The bow yoda. For sure. That should be a T shirt (just saying) much love homies from Long Island NY
Lol this was a good video but dude Elkshape and Chris Bee both have videos on setting up your stabilizers already. MFJJ is even in the video with Elkshape.
@@MrJustin978 awesome thanks for your input, but if I ever wanted get info on how to get a few dudes in the shower I’ll ask you.
@@andrewgrogan9767 you probably watched that shower video a few times too. I’ll make a new video about how to use the search bar on RUclips just for you
@@andrewgrogan9767 and if I ever wanted info on begging other grown men to make RUclips videos I’ll hit you up
@@andrewgrogan9767 how many times have you watched my shower video since this comment? Weird bro
Did you paper tune your setups with the bars on or off? Good info for people on stabilizers.
Would love to see a video on what MFJJ is talking about bow reaction at the time of the shot. What does good reaction look like versus what it looks like when there are issues
I have a problem with this all ready I have a diamond edge 320 compound and I have dual setup.. starting point is 8x6 equil weight 3 ounce bee stinger
Your videos are freaking entertaining. More shenanigans!
Are you guys going to Oklahoma tac also?
Hey Tim I was in the market for a set of stabs for my new pse Mach 30 and I have always ran shrewd but I have been looking at the aae mountain light series but then I noticed Mfjj has his just wondered if there is a comparison to the two or could you do a vid comparing the two or is that just dumb to ask lol . This coming from your 1 of 6 woman scribers oh and from my to boot lmao . Anyway was just interested in both stabs wondered if there was a reason to sway one way or another . Thank you for any input !
Tim , Obsession Bone I want to hear your thoughts on it.
I'll say it again Bear Alaskan XT for a budget bow. If it's good enough for the best bow hunter in our lifetimes you should be able to make a great budget bow with it
That’ll be in the mix ✊
I agree with this, have a 2022 Alaskan and I really like it.
Who is the best bow hunter ?
@@hunterslifestyle625 Chuck Adams didn't think that needed to be stated.
I agree 👍 Bear has definitely brought it to the table as far as a whole lot of bang for the buck to the point where 40 year archery veterans like me who grew up trying to shoot and tune Bears untunable bows aka whitetail hunter😱 and whitetail two to throw out past sins and give bear a well warranted second chance on what now are absolutely great shooting bows 👍🏹🎯
I put on a 15' front and a 7'back for hunting last year out west and i was absolutely impressed.
Im 6'5, so if my 15 inch bar isnt fitting neither am i...LOL
After walking a mile or two, i noticed the bars the most. (Pretty drastically if i may say)
Even just having a backbar that is set up correctly is a huge game changer. IMHO
Lets be honest, these long bars of destiny are INTIMIDATING!
I get some looks with my setup, get asked "you hunt with that".
I have started taking my bars off my bow and letting others try them at the range, 9/10 they end up going inside to the shop and buying a stabilizer..
Would there be any chance of a derail pushing on the bow like that at full draw?
A LOT of where your sidebar sits will be determined by grip, hand size and the shape of the riser, especially the shelf.
One of my bows needs a LOT of sidebar to “balance” out, others are pretty much straight back.
Don’t assume that because your last bow had a certain position that worked, that same setup will work on your new bow.
The target bow was rocking back on the shot…add front weight, or remove rear weight, or rotate back bar down.
But what is the rear bow stabilizer bow stand you’re using ?
Some people put only a back bar, expecially on Mathews bows, without a front bar.
What about this setup ?
Doing the bull dance, feeling the flow, working it, working it -MFJJ.
Why is it, that an extendable stabilizer ( especially in the hunting field) not been produced. Something in regards of a trekking pole or tripod style. Twist lock, extend, shorten.
Have the ability to shorten it apon travel/ storage and extend to desired balance point.
All I know is length can be very beneficial yet knowing when to use it is key.
Keep these vids a-coming 👍
Bear Resurgence for the budget bow! Picked up mine for just over $400 brand new. Why this brand and model? I'm left handed and my draw is just under 32" so the choices where few at a "budget" price point
What bow stand is that? Appreciate it
Tim your doing a killer job on your RUclips channel and it is really cool that you Josh helping you out a lot. Good friends stick together and that's what counts. Just one thing to ask both of you is that on my RX-8 I have the Garmin Xero bow site and still having a little hard time balancing out the bow and suggestions on how I would be able to solve my issue. I am running the 10" and 8" Hoyt stabilizers but you know how heavy the Garmin can be so just asking. Again Tim and Josh I really enjoy your content you put out and good luck getting one hundred thousand subscribers I really hope you get there fast and you will!!!
Hey Tim, what grip is that on your hunting bow?
No stabilizer on my Halon 32. I had a front and rear on it a couple years. The balance is so good with the full quiver and HHA king pin, I opt not to use them.
Would like to see you two interview tbone
How much weight you running on your target bars
It’s like 16 back 12 front.. I might go more
@@TimConnor13 wow I’m running 10 in back 4 I. Front I’m thinking about adding more myself
Bowtech amplify and elite basin
What kick stand does Josh have on his bow?
Xpedition mountaineer x or apx for a budget bow build
The Darton Consequence seems like the obvious choice for a budget bow. That thing is fantastic
Bear Whitetail Maxx is a killer budget bow. Thanks for the content. New Sub here.
solid work as always!
Budget bows bear legit and diamond edge 320
Best intro yet🐎
PSE Laser ? It looks like pretty much the only things under that are Darton, within "Target bows" at least, I know people can shoot target with short bows
What grip is in the supra?
The Darton Consequence is $699 MSRP, I think. Is that close enough to “budget” for a review?
I’m a right handed shooter, and I find that I have to run my back bar off the right side of the bow. I have tried to figure out why, but that’s just where it likes to be.
Darton Consequence is about the best budget bow made (personal opinion)
Throw the mission switch in there for budget bows
I’d like to see what a Mission Switch or MXR can do!!
Thats what I started with (Switch) during the pandemic. Getting ready to try a bow build on a phase 4 33 I got for a song.
Ed. Added Switch to clarify
It’s only a 60 pound bow but the Elite Ember is pretty sweet for the money
I'm not entirely convinced this fits within the price range, but I'd make a case for the PSE Embark, though I believe its MSRP is around $750. The PSE Drive NXT is definitely within that range. Bear dominates this category with compelling options. Now, the real question emerges: Do you opt for a three-year-old used flagship bow or invest in a brand new $650 bow?
Bro mission is by far the best budget bow
We’re staying current with what people could buy today
Please add the Quest Centec to your budget bow list!
have a hack on arrow rests, drop away, prongs etc.
Ultimate Budget Bow is the Obsession Tm33. Even lighter than most flagship bows. Actually miss that bow a lot.
I picked up new Bear ridge made in '22
But new and new to me shy of $400
Bear fusion rth budget bow.
I think for a budget bow you should try the mission hammr
You guys are awesome
The Elite Terrain
Cp30 12in and 5 oz in the front
I hunt from a tree only and use 12” front stabilizer and 8” rear, works well for me.
Budget bow must be diamond EDGE MAX! I love mine every time I shoot it