Credits, Notes and Links: Credit to BrianMercy1022, MTA Bus Transit Fanner, BeMyselfPhotography. MTAiscool09, NJTE, TTE, Trackwerk, Brayan Lucero, OrionVIIsForever, SIRFan, EA Opster, Jorge, Mangle, Windows, Neoplan, NY1, Pix11, and many others for providing some of the pivotal information and/or pictures used in this video. Notes: •The oldest train will in fact be the R142/As, but the oldest train type in the B-division will be the R143s. •Surfers were present on the BMT Standard on 6/15 Links: R262/R268 RFP- new.mta.info/document/112931 Nostalgia Trips- www.nytransitmuseum.org/nostalgiarides/ (7) Line Construction- www.qchron.com/editions/queenswide/no-7-train-station-work-begins-may-12/article_451d3d3f-d994-54f7-8abf-a3cf79d743c4.html licpost.com/manhattan-bound-trains-to-bypass-queensboro-plaza-station-for-two-weeks-starting-july-31 jacksonheightspost.com/mta-renovate-7-train-stations-command-center-jackson-heights ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/transit/2023/01/03/mta--no-7-line-service-for-six-weekends--starting-in-february IND 63rd Street Construction/Service Changes- new.mta.info/article/service-changes-f-and-m-lines-starting-august-28#:~:text=we%27re%20doing-,From%20August%2028%2C%202023%20through%20the%20first%20quarter%20of%202024,and%20Jackson%20Hts%2DRoosevelt%20Av. Service improvement info for subway lines and newly accessible subway station info can be found on the MTA’s IG account. OMNY Vending machines coming soon, fare hikes, new turnstiles- gothamist.com/news/omny-vending-machines-coming-to-nyc-subway-this-summer rooseveltislanddaily.news/2023/07/20/subway-fares-are-going-up-now-after-eight-years/amp/ pix11.com/news/transit/more-mta-fare-hikes-feared-facing-post-pandemic-fiscal-cliff/ pix11.com/news/transit/mta-testing-new-turnstiles-in-select-subway-stations-around-new-york-city/ gothamist.com/news/mta-unveils-new-designs-for-subway-turnstiles-reports-690m-in-fare-and-toll-evasion ruclips.net/video/g9CfDRwxIwQ/видео.html *Some images shown in this video are for visual representation purposes only, and may not fully represent the topic being addressed.*
Fantastic. You nailed exactly what I've been hearing, except for the R211T. From what I've gathered from a "reliable source", the T units are involved in a hot bed of controversy, contention between management and crews about the cars. I highly doubt that CRRC will ever get a railcar contract from MTA, using federal funds. The top contenders are Alstom and Kawasaki. Siemens usually keeps to the not so pretty, or visible wayside or background equipment contracts. How ever, Siemens will be in the running to build the cars for the new Interboro Express line link. Alstom also makes a fantastic LRT train set that could potentially work very well for the initial set up. Time will tell the story. I'm honestly looking forward to seeing and R211T second option order for the Eastern Division, since the line is still short on equipment, like the A and C. If more trains are sent there, then the actual "service increase" announced will be actually noticed by the rider. As of the moment, everything is a toss up. Thanks for your time.
R211A Delivery Plan A Train will receive 420 sets of R211s from the base order and the C Train will receive 150 sets R211s from the first option order and for a total of 570 Subway Cars The Rest of the 915 Subway cars from the first and second option order is going to Jamaica Yard for the E, F and possibly the G and R Trains for service increases The second option order for the 32 four car sets is going to the M Train and possibly the J Train to see service increases
0:34 I'm not sure if that is normal because the samething happened on the 7 train at mets willets point when the doors opened on both sides after the right side doors closed the train moved with the left doors still open and I saw that with my own eyes and confronted the conductor about it.
To get you up to speed, you mentioned vandalizing and surfing. Coney Island has already inserted a slip not on top of subway cars that prevent people from still standing on top of them. Many new subway delays have caused by teenagers subway surfing, which have resulted in deaths due to slips. The (7) line has been the victim of subway surfing and many who have friends AND family working in the system should’ve known that one of their own is on top of the train. Photos of the aftermath show very graphic results. Because of information about vandalism, the TA has installed cameras INSIDE the train. The R160s were the first to get them, the R188s have a different one.
Dont forget that this year marks 20 years of the Rehabilitated 74th Street & Jackson Heights Station. Anyways, I feel bad for the (R) since its doing all the work. The MTA should reconsider extending the (G) line to Forest Hills on weekdays only and maybe weekends. This could increase service and reduce overcrowding and less time for a transfer since it would be easy for (G) train customers to ride 1 way to crosstown via the QBL and not have to walk a long way for a transfer.
I believe that the G Train should return to 71 Street-Continental Avenue, Forest Hills. That plan would be a one-seat ride without the need to transfer trains. Also, this idea could help reduce station platform overcrowding.
I have a real spriital feeling that Kawasaki nabeaska is gonna build both R262/As open and end ways I'm telling you. The same for the R268/As open and end ways.
What we have on the iRT lines is the R62AS R62S on the 1 3 6 S lines. The only oldest fleets that's coming out between Thanks giving and Christmas 🎁 is the old many colors trains Redbirds.
Those Redbirds could of been on the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line right now and the R62AS if they would of been smart enough to keep the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line running with out tairing it down. Every sence 1973 when they torn down the Thrid Avenue Elevated line down it had gotten worser and worser I'm telling you.
Will R46 also retire on Coney Island yard (Broadway lines I’m talking about) well if so what if couple of R160’s get send from Jamaica yard to Coney Island yard since R68’s are staying on Broadway Lines until they get replaced by proposal R268
Yeah, all R46 will retire, even the ones in Coney Island Yard. However, the Broadway lines (N/Q/W) will not get NTTs, instead, they will get the R68 from the B/D. The B/D, however, will either get the new R211 or the R160 from Jamaica Yard, which the E/F will use R211/T. (in preparation for the 6 Av CBTC)
@@MichaelMitchRailfan2009 The R268 will obviously replace the R68. However, it is still unknown what lines it will be running on, most likely the Broadway line.
@@ZigZagggy We are definitely gonna miss the R62AS R62S on the 1 3 6 S lines when the R262/As open and end ways. Start appciating the R62AS R62S on the 1 3 6 S just like they had the old Redbirds.
Replacing the R46 rolling stock calls for purchasing at least 600 R211 cars. 513 R211 railcars won't do the trick, because they are 60' long, and the R46 railcars are 75' long, as you already know. Techno 7843 gave me the news I needed to know. It is the next best thing to reading a General Order (GO) notice.
@@captainkeyboard1007perhaps in stead of replacing the fully paid for Metro Card System with Omny, they should invest in actually enforce fare collection. Imagine that?
The R62AS R62S is not going nowhere ether until the Brand New R262/As open and close ways. I have a real spriital feeling they are definitely gonna make the R262As close ways just like the R211As R211S I'm telling you.
@@Techno-ov5ss You know that's definitely gonna happen also until the R268/As comes to replace them. They won't be no more smee cars R62AS R62S R68AS R46S. We definitely start appciating the R62AS R62S on the 1 3 6 S while they are in passenger service. The same exact thing with the R68S R68AS on the B D N Q W lines. The R46S on the N W Q A C lines.
The 30-day test is slated to take place in the Winter of 2024 (likely around January/February 2024), so it should be on the island a little before then. However, delays could occur
@@Techno-ov5ss looks like it's March lol. We either said Probably January, February, April. This combination between me and you. Instead it's March. Thankfully we both didn't place a bet lol.
oh god, this has become the debate of the decade. (And I Just deleted my old comment because there's a lot I've learned since.) People have become nasty with each other debating whether R211s are going to Coney Island (for the (B) and (D) trains), Jamaica Yard (for (E) and (F) trains), or both (directly replacing R46s where they run now). This is of course in addition to the (A) and (C), which is accepted as a given now. Long story short, I'm team Jamaica, and I'll spend the rest of this wall text nerding out and elaborating you can stop reading now 😝). Assuming the second option order is taken, I think ten-car R211s will exclusively serve the (A), (C), (E) and (F) lines. With 150 trains, there's enough for the (E) and (F), which cannot run additional trains to boost frequencies due to low capacity terminals at WTC and Coney Island, as well as the (A) and (C), which can receive up to six additional trains to run more service with. I'd love for the five-car R179s to stay on the (A) (mostly for extra seats for the very long commutes to/from the Rockaways), but MTA probably wants consistency, for maintenance as well as training purposes, also Queens Blvd is the busiest B-Division corridor and, as mentioned earlier, have no room for frequency boosts, so the increased capacity onboard R211s would be appreciated. That displaces a shitload of five-car NTT's to Coney Island and Concourse to run on the (B), (D), (G), (R) (some stay at Jamaica just for the (R), so the (E), (F), (R) could run a mixed fleet with a 2:1 ratio of R211s/R160s), and even the (Q) line. According to one commenter, MTA wants to be able to reroute the (Q) onto CBTC 6th Ave lines whenever needed. I don't like this idea because it leaves too many R68[A]s unused; however the math does work out, with 142 R160 and R179 trains for all of the above. And if they don't do this after all, 77 R68[A] trains are still a lot for the (N), (Q) and (W). The (G) doesn't need the four-car sets; by the time deliveries for the second option order begin, all R46s are retired already, so that's (81 five-car sets) added to the system. And the (G) doesn't use that many cars for service in the first place. What I hope they do is match (G) frequencies to (F) train frequencies (the (F) is more frequent currently); I estimate this would increase the maximum number of cars used for the (G) from 65 to 90, about a 40% increase (while decreasing merging conflicts), so maybe they can hold off on ten-car trains for now. I don't think it's a great idea for the (F) to run express in Brooklyn full-time until deinterlining is pursued. As a side note, Jamaica Yard is reportedly over capacity, so I would not be surprised if the (G) moves back to Coney Island. If this is done, then I estimate the (total quantity of full-length trains at Coney Island (not counting the Franklin Ave Shuttle) going up to 150; according to nycsubway dot org, this Yard has capacity for "near 1,800 subway cars". So the math works out too. Finally, it's only 11 eight-car R179s displaced from the (C). The (J) will actually need them. Why? The (J) currently borrows R143s and R160s from the (L) ---- but that's okay for now because the (L) cannot run 34 trains configured for its unique CBTC system until substation power upgrades are performed; if that happens the (J) probably cannot borrow from the (L) anymore. I was originally perplexed at just the (8 four-car) R211s, but it does make sense for the (M) to take advantage of those after all.
It's definitely a very heated debate, which is why I attempt to be very sensitive when addressing it. It is ultimately the MTA's call, and until it is confirmed, everything that any of us may say is just mere speculation. However, I do have my reasons as well for believing that Jamaica Yard could get R211s, despite me not wanting to see this occur lmao
Ecellent video! Good bye miserable R46.... Horrible in the beginning. Cracked Rockwell trucks, horrible workmanship and lousy MTBF. Yucky brakes, inadequate truck supports. Drama, grief and lawsuits busted Pullan Standard. Only became liveable after Morrison Knudson overhaul, which was more like an almost complete re-engineering of the cars: turning them in to ABBA sets, ripping out the engineer/conductor cabs, adding the LCD signs and scrapping g off the blue paint. Only after that effort did they become reliable. Goodbye, formica and fake wood veneer and Buger King seating. 45+ years of agony must come to an end. The R211s will more than likely be okay. Other than fewer seats and tacky/unnecessary livery.
Thanks! The retirement of the R46s will allow for a much needed change of pace for several lines, and will likely improve the reliability of service on the lines themselves.
@Techno-ov5ss I'm hoping for some NTTs returning to N/Q, since we have suffered since the return of the old wrecks in 9/22. There are not enough R68s....
@@christopherstory2136 I believe the N/Q aren't the priority for the NTTs at the moment sadly. If anything, they might receive hand-me-down R68s to replace the R46s. If worst comes to worst, they could receive new cars from the R268 order in 10+ years or so
@Techno-ov5ss thanks - Im not a train nerd, but from what I had seen in a draft of the Capital Plan (2015?) , N/Q/D trains were amongst those to recive the new trains being covered in both orders of 211s are all taken up - as the R46 elimation was top priority (for maintenance and environmental efficiency). The R68s would fill the gap with their ultimate replacement by 2026-28 by 211s. The redeployment (theft🙂) of the R160s to the F/R et al were meant to represent the complete allotment for the CBTC project on those lines - as the CBTC systems on board and embedded en route were optimized them - with subsiquent R268s(?) configured for that role. The A was set to get the R211 "artics" as well as standards. This is what I had read and heard. Knowing how feckless, careless and wasteful the MTA is, I'm sure plans have changed - and that the MTA fails to realize south Brooklyn pats taxes too🤣🤣🤣
Rode the train the other day, Again. I actually studied the interior, and definitely came to a conclusion, that this is a modified R160. The windows are far too small, but only because the door pockets have to be larger for the wider doors. Effectively reducing the amount of seats where now only 5 average sized people can sit comfortably side by side, with an ADA compliance area at the head end of the cars. Yellow bucket seats that fold up to create room for wheelchair or walkers, or even strollers. In the overall sense, I believe that the 211T would have been a better fit for all the modifications, since so much was taken away and given to the ADA riders. I do understand the fears concerning the open gangway concepts, but it is what it is. More room is more Room. In all honesty, the cars look like a R46 having a baby with a NTT, with a little Path PA5 mixed in. Am blast from the past, with a splash of the future. Elements of former rolling stock mixed in, such as the ORIGINAL R40 DESIGN, THAT HAD SMALL A DESIGNATION SIGN ABOVE THE BULKHEAD DOOR, but was removed, and replaced with a exp/lock sign... And the revived brightly lite indentifican signs with route and trunk color. All old tech, renewed and reused. So,I'm figuring that the bulk of the "new" is things we can't see of the bat, that makes the train operate safely. It's cool. It pretty much follows what car design has been for the last 90 years, starting with the creation of the IND system. Dimensions have stayed the same, with minor adjustments here and there. It's the same R1, modified through each contract with greater and better amenities to suit the times. Within the next 20 year, the oldest B Division car will be the R143, and they will be 40 years old,.. Wonder what the replacement cars will look like for those. 😊
I’d definitely agree with you. From the side, the car body almost looks like that of an R160. But the newer features on the interior make it stand out. I do like that the R211 merges various features of the past and present to create its current design
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Credits, Notes and Links:
Credit to BrianMercy1022, MTA Bus Transit Fanner, BeMyselfPhotography. MTAiscool09, NJTE, TTE, Trackwerk, Brayan Lucero, OrionVIIsForever, SIRFan, EA Opster, Jorge, Mangle, Windows, Neoplan, NY1, Pix11, and many others for providing some of the pivotal information and/or pictures used in this video.
Notes:
•The oldest train will in fact be the R142/As, but the oldest train type in the B-division will be the R143s.
•Surfers were present on the BMT Standard on 6/15
Links:
R262/R268 RFP- new.mta.info/document/112931
Nostalgia Trips- www.nytransitmuseum.org/nostalgiarides/
(7) Line Construction-
www.qchron.com/editions/queenswide/no-7-train-station-work-begins-may-12/article_451d3d3f-d994-54f7-8abf-a3cf79d743c4.html
licpost.com/manhattan-bound-trains-to-bypass-queensboro-plaza-station-for-two-weeks-starting-july-31
jacksonheightspost.com/mta-renovate-7-train-stations-command-center-jackson-heights
ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/transit/2023/01/03/mta--no-7-line-service-for-six-weekends--starting-in-february
IND 63rd Street Construction/Service Changes-
new.mta.info/article/service-changes-f-and-m-lines-starting-august-28#:~:text=we%27re%20doing-,From%20August%2028%2C%202023%20through%20the%20first%20quarter%20of%202024,and%20Jackson%20Hts%2DRoosevelt%20Av.
Service improvement info for subway lines and newly accessible subway station info can be found on the MTA’s IG account.
OMNY Vending machines coming soon, fare hikes, new turnstiles-
gothamist.com/news/omny-vending-machines-coming-to-nyc-subway-this-summer
rooseveltislanddaily.news/2023/07/20/subway-fares-are-going-up-now-after-eight-years/amp/
pix11.com/news/transit/more-mta-fare-hikes-feared-facing-post-pandemic-fiscal-cliff/
pix11.com/news/transit/mta-testing-new-turnstiles-in-select-subway-stations-around-new-york-city/
gothamist.com/news/mta-unveils-new-designs-for-subway-turnstiles-reports-690m-in-fare-and-toll-evasion
ruclips.net/video/g9CfDRwxIwQ/видео.html
*Some images shown in this video are for visual representation purposes only, and may not fully represent the topic being addressed.*
I’m gonna miss the R46 😢
You got a few more years
IT IS
I wont! ive been riding them creepy things my entire life, im 43.
@@grenadePQ What you mean creepy?
I’m not that train sucks
Fantastic.
You nailed exactly what I've been hearing, except for the R211T.
From what I've gathered from a "reliable source", the T units are involved in a hot bed of controversy, contention between management and crews about the cars.
I highly doubt that CRRC will ever get a railcar contract from MTA, using federal funds.
The top contenders are Alstom and Kawasaki.
Siemens usually keeps to the not so pretty, or visible wayside or background equipment contracts.
How ever, Siemens will be in the running to build the cars for the new Interboro Express line link.
Alstom also makes a fantastic LRT train set that could potentially work very well for the initial set up.
Time will tell the story.
I'm honestly looking forward to seeing and R211T second option order for the Eastern Division, since the line is still short on equipment, like the A and C.
If more trains are sent there, then the actual "service increase" announced will be actually noticed by the rider.
As of the moment, everything is a toss up.
Thanks for your time.
Thank you for the additional information!
I am Jorge who supplied some pictures thanks techno and good job
I love when you added the R262S open gangways and the R211As R211Ts R211S.
Thank you!
They should at least use the R44s and 46 for shuttle services. Gonna miss those subway cars so much. They're the subway cars of all subway cars.🥺
Sadly, they recently removed the R46s off of the Rockaway Park Shuttle, so it is unlikely that they will resort to doing that
They will keep the R46 until early 2025. The A and C lines should be fully CBTC in late 2024 or early 2025.
Our friend Dan was wearing the blue shirt and shorts next to the Arnines at 96th St
Nice!
R211A Delivery Plan
A Train will receive 420 sets of R211s from the base order and the C Train will receive 150 sets R211s from the first option order and for a total of 570 Subway Cars
The Rest of the 915 Subway cars from the first and second option order is going to Jamaica Yard for the E, F and possibly the G and R Trains for service increases
The second option order for the 32 four car sets is going to the M Train and possibly the J Train to see service increases
Am gonna really miss the R46 because I used to ride on the F line
Another solid video. We'll know more on the R268's when the MTA releases its 2025-2029 Capital Plan in late-2024.
Why is that
Don't forget about the R262/As .
Thank you!
Forgot we are still in the 2020-2024 cycle.
@@Techno-ov5ss Anytime and you're welcome!
10:51 “…making the oldest active train in the system at that time the R143’s.”
The R142’s and R142A’s: are we a joke to you?
We are definitely gonna miss the R62AS R62S on the 1 3 6 S lines when the brand new R262/As open and close ways.
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0:34 I'm not sure if that is normal because the samething happened on the 7 train at mets willets point when the doors opened on both sides after the right side doors closed the train moved with the left doors still open and I saw that with my own eyes and confronted the conductor about it.
I've been waiting for these cars since 7th grade. I'm a senior now, in college.
You forgot to mention about the Westchester Sq station renovation on the (6) and the express service being cancelled because of it.
There was a lot I couldn’t fit into this update, hopefully next time
@@Techno-ov5ss That is right. That requested information could be superfluous to add to this story line.
To get you up to speed, you mentioned vandalizing and surfing. Coney Island has already inserted a slip not on top of subway cars that prevent people from still standing on top of them. Many new subway delays have caused by teenagers subway surfing, which have resulted in deaths due to slips. The (7) line has been the victim of subway surfing and many who have friends AND family working in the system should’ve known that one of their own is on top of the train. Photos of the aftermath show very graphic results. Because of information about vandalism, the TA has installed cameras INSIDE the train. The R160s were the first to get them, the R188s have a different one.
Thank you for the info
R42 4816-4817 could be used canniblized for extra parts for the remainder of the R42 pairs
This is going to be wild
Dont forget that this year marks 20 years of the Rehabilitated 74th Street & Jackson Heights Station.
Anyways, I feel bad for the (R) since its doing all the work. The MTA should reconsider extending the (G) line to Forest Hills on weekdays only and maybe weekends. This could increase service and reduce overcrowding and less time for a transfer since it would be easy for (G) train customers to ride 1 way to crosstown via the QBL and not have to walk a long way for a transfer.
I believe that the G Train should return to 71 Street-Continental Avenue, Forest Hills. That plan would be a one-seat ride without the need to transfer trains. Also, this idea could help reduce station platform overcrowding.
but the part that you said the R train has to get a new friend better than 8 car M train.
I think Stadler should build the R262s,
10:50 the R142's and R142A's are actually going to be the oldest when that happens.
Thanks for the correction!
@@Techno-ov5ss You are technically right though if you are excluding the IRT divison.
I have a real spriital feeling that Kawasaki nabeaska is gonna build both R262/As open and end ways I'm telling you. The same for the R268/As open and end ways.
@@dodge1515 Since I was referring to the R268s, that’s probably what happened mentally lol
Can’t stop the A-Train baby
R Train: Nah bro ima go ask the G to come back to Forest Hills like before the 2010's.
Well the redbird trip has been rerouted via the (1/2/3) and (4/5/6) lines due to CBTC on the (7)
What we have on the iRT lines is the R62AS R62S on the 1 3 6 S lines. The only oldest fleets that's coming out between Thanks giving and Christmas 🎁 is the old many colors trains Redbirds.
Those Redbirds could of been on the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line right now and the R62AS if they would of been smart enough to keep the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line running with out tairing it down. Every sence 1973 when they torn down the Thrid Avenue Elevated line down it had gotten worser and worser I'm telling you.
16:32 That's actually accurate. The (M) isn't loyal, heh. Chris Brown called, he wants his feature.
I wonder of the R211s would run on QBL
There’s a high probability of that happening, but hey, knowing the MTA I won’t be surprised if they don’t.
I'll leave it as a wait and see for now. If any info is confirmed, I can share it in a future vid
I think that might be happening with the R211s pushing their 10 car R160s to Concourse for the B and D Train service
Will R46 also retire on Coney Island yard (Broadway lines I’m talking about) well if so what if couple of R160’s get send from Jamaica yard to Coney Island yard since R68’s are staying on Broadway Lines until they get replaced by proposal R268
Yeah, all R46 will retire, even the ones in Coney Island Yard. However, the Broadway lines (N/Q/W) will not get NTTs, instead, they will get the R68 from the B/D. The B/D, however, will either get the new R211 or the R160 from Jamaica Yard, which the E/F will use R211/T. (in preparation for the 6 Av CBTC)
@@ZigZagggybtu what about proposals R268?
@@MichaelMitchRailfan2009 The R268 will obviously replace the R68. However, it is still unknown what lines it will be running on, most likely the Broadway line.
@@ZigZagggy We are definitely gonna miss the R62AS R62S on the 1 3 6 S lines when the R262/As open and end ways. Start appciating the R62AS R62S on the 1 3 6 S just like they had the old Redbirds.
@@ZigZagggy ,
Nice video More r211s will be ordered I’m so excited
Thanks!
Replacing the R46 rolling stock calls for purchasing at least 600 R211 cars. 513 R211 railcars won't do the trick, because they are 60' long, and the R46 railcars are 75' long, as you already know. Techno 7843 gave me the news I needed to know. It is the next best thing to reading a General Order (GO) notice.
Thank you!
@@Techno-ov5ss You are welcome. Thank you for tapping or typing to me. 👌
@@Techno-ov5ss You are welcome.💙
This was uh unexpected.
Yeah.But I appreciate it.
These trains are nice, I wish they did a better job by reducing the notice from the wheel and tracks...
This is great video 👍
Thanks!
Can someone say wheter the r262 and r268 will have Doors between train Cars?.
Still a wait and see on that. If the R211Ts continue to do well, future cars will get that feature.
10:39 when will these trains be delivered?
Late 2020s-early 2030s
So the D and B will stick with R68s until the train after the r211 finishes it order I guess? 😢
The B/D will receive New Tech Trains when the First Option Order of R211s kicks in
The B/D Trains will likely receive the R160s displaced from Jamaica Yard because the R211s are going to Jamaica Yard because of higher ridership
@@Techno-ov5sswhat year will that be for the option order
@@yoelkranczer580 2025-27 (barring delays)
Miss the 32 44 46.
Same here. Thankfully all three can still be seen in some form. The 32s on museum trips, 44s on SIR, and 46s on the lettered lines for now
What's the point of protection trains?
there cool
They can rescue the testing train if there is a problem with it
Fare protection is the capital thing. More people are stealing rides and riding free more than those passengers who paid.
@@captainkeyboard1007perhaps in stead of replacing the fully paid for Metro Card System with Omny, they should invest in actually enforce fare collection. Imagine that?
No more Brown M train😔😔
That has been for several years without mentioning. The M train was extended from Broad Street to the Sixth Avenue Line.
Orange M popular.
The R68s arent going anywhere for at least a decade.
The R62AS R62S is not going nowhere ether until the Brand New R262/As open and close ways. I have a real spriital feeling they are definitely gonna make the R262As close ways just like the R211As R211S I'm telling you.
I could see the 68/As sticking around until the 268s arrive
@@Techno-ov5ss You know that's definitely gonna happen also until the R268/As comes to replace them. They won't be no more smee cars R62AS R62S R68AS R46S. We definitely start appciating the R62AS R62S on the 1 3 6 S while they are in passenger service. The same exact thing with the R68S R68AS on the B D N Q W lines. The R46S on the N W Q A C lines.
@@Techno-ov5sswhat year will the R268 order would start to come in
@@yoelkranczer580 Early 2030s most likely
When is the R211S coming to Staten Island for Testing? I heard either January or April 2024. But again who knows.
The 30-day test is slated to take place in the Winter of 2024 (likely around January/February 2024), so it should be on the island a little before then. However, delays could occur
@@Techno-ov5ss thank you for that. But yes I'm excited. I live on Staten Island and definitely am excited. We need these new trains ASAP.
@@Techno-ov5ss looks like it's March lol. We either said Probably January, February, April. This combination between me and you. Instead it's March. Thankfully we both didn't place a bet lol.
oh god, this has become the debate of the decade. (And I Just deleted my old comment because there's a lot I've learned since.) People have become nasty with each other debating whether R211s are going to Coney Island (for the (B) and (D) trains), Jamaica Yard (for (E) and (F) trains), or both (directly replacing R46s where they run now). This is of course in addition to the (A) and (C), which is accepted as a given now. Long story short, I'm team Jamaica, and I'll spend the rest of this wall text nerding out and elaborating you can stop reading now 😝).
Assuming the second option order is taken, I think ten-car R211s will exclusively serve the (A), (C), (E) and (F) lines. With 150 trains, there's enough for the (E) and (F), which cannot run additional trains to boost frequencies due to low capacity terminals at WTC and Coney Island, as well as the (A) and (C), which can receive up to six additional trains to run more service with. I'd love for the five-car R179s to stay on the (A) (mostly for extra seats for the very long commutes to/from the Rockaways), but MTA probably wants consistency, for maintenance as well as training purposes, also Queens Blvd is the busiest B-Division corridor and, as mentioned earlier, have no room for frequency boosts, so the increased capacity onboard R211s would be appreciated.
That displaces a shitload of five-car NTT's to Coney Island and Concourse to run on the (B), (D), (G), (R) (some stay at Jamaica just for the (R), so the (E), (F), (R) could run a mixed fleet with a 2:1 ratio of R211s/R160s), and even the (Q) line. According to one commenter, MTA wants to be able to reroute the (Q) onto CBTC 6th Ave lines whenever needed. I don't like this idea because it leaves too many R68[A]s unused; however the math does work out, with 142 R160 and R179 trains for all of the above. And if they don't do this after all, 77 R68[A] trains are still a lot for the (N), (Q) and (W).
The (G) doesn't need the four-car sets; by the time deliveries for the second option order begin, all R46s are retired already, so that's (81 five-car sets) added to the system. And the (G) doesn't use that many cars for service in the first place. What I hope they do is match (G) frequencies to (F) train frequencies (the (F) is more frequent currently); I estimate this would increase the maximum number of cars used for the (G) from 65 to 90, about a 40% increase (while decreasing merging conflicts), so maybe they can hold off on ten-car trains for now. I don't think it's a great idea for the (F) to run express in Brooklyn full-time until deinterlining is pursued.
As a side note, Jamaica Yard is reportedly over capacity, so I would not be surprised if the (G) moves back to Coney Island. If this is done, then I estimate the (total quantity of full-length trains at Coney Island (not counting the Franklin Ave Shuttle) going up to 150; according to nycsubway dot org, this Yard has capacity for "near 1,800 subway cars". So the math works out too.
Finally, it's only 11 eight-car R179s displaced from the (C). The (J) will actually need them. Why? The (J) currently borrows R143s and R160s from the (L) ---- but that's okay for now because the (L) cannot run 34 trains configured for its unique CBTC system until substation power upgrades are performed; if that happens the (J) probably cannot borrow from the (L) anymore. I was originally perplexed at just the (8 four-car) R211s, but it does make sense for the (M) to take advantage of those after all.
It's definitely a very heated debate, which is why I attempt to be very sensitive when addressing it. It is ultimately the MTA's call, and until it is confirmed, everything that any of us may say is just mere speculation.
However, I do have my reasons as well for believing that Jamaica Yard could get R211s, despite me not wanting to see this occur lmao
for the R262 and R268, I predict hitachi will make them
I doubt that, they did make trains for Marta though
I hope Siemens does
They make good trains in the uk so they could control c and control v it to subway standards
It will probably be Kawasaki R262s and Bombardier R268s
Ecellent video! Good bye miserable R46.... Horrible in the beginning. Cracked Rockwell trucks, horrible workmanship and lousy MTBF. Yucky brakes, inadequate truck supports. Drama, grief and lawsuits busted Pullan Standard. Only became liveable after Morrison Knudson overhaul, which was more like an almost complete re-engineering of the cars: turning them in to ABBA sets, ripping out the engineer/conductor cabs, adding the LCD signs and scrapping g off the blue paint. Only after that effort did they become reliable. Goodbye, formica and fake wood veneer and Buger King seating. 45+ years of agony must come to an end.
The R211s will more than likely be okay. Other than fewer seats and tacky/unnecessary livery.
Thanks! The retirement of the R46s will allow for a much needed change of pace for several lines, and will likely improve the reliability of service on the lines themselves.
@Techno-ov5ss I'm hoping for some NTTs returning to N/Q, since we have suffered since the return of the old wrecks in 9/22. There are not enough R68s....
@@christopherstory2136 I believe the N/Q aren't the priority for the NTTs at the moment sadly. If anything, they might receive hand-me-down R68s to replace the R46s. If worst comes to worst, they could receive new cars from the R268 order in 10+ years or so
@Techno-ov5ss thanks - Im not a train nerd, but from what I had seen in a draft of the Capital Plan (2015?) , N/Q/D trains were amongst those to recive the new trains being covered in both orders of 211s are all taken up - as the R46 elimation was top priority (for maintenance and environmental efficiency). The R68s would fill the gap with their ultimate replacement by 2026-28 by 211s. The redeployment (theft🙂) of the R160s to the F/R et al were meant to represent the complete allotment for the CBTC project on those lines - as the CBTC systems on board and embedded en route were optimized them - with subsiquent R268s(?) configured for that role. The A was set to get the R211 "artics" as well as standards. This is what I had read and heard. Knowing how feckless, careless and wasteful the MTA is, I'm sure plans have changed - and that the MTA fails to realize south Brooklyn pats taxes too🤣🤣🤣
Rode the train the other day, Again.
I actually studied the interior, and definitely came to a conclusion, that this is a modified R160.
The windows are far too small, but only because the door pockets have to be larger for the wider doors. Effectively reducing the amount of seats where now only 5 average sized people can sit comfortably side by side, with an ADA compliance area at the head end of the cars. Yellow bucket seats that fold up to create room for wheelchair or walkers, or even strollers.
In the overall sense, I believe that the 211T would have been a better fit for all the modifications, since so much was taken away and given to the ADA riders.
I do understand the fears concerning the open gangway concepts, but it is what it is. More room is more Room.
In all honesty, the cars look like a R46 having a baby with a NTT, with a little Path PA5 mixed in.
Am blast from the past, with a splash of the future.
Elements of former rolling stock mixed in, such as the ORIGINAL R40 DESIGN, THAT HAD SMALL A DESIGNATION SIGN ABOVE THE BULKHEAD DOOR, but was removed, and replaced with a exp/lock sign... And the revived brightly lite indentifican signs with route and trunk color.
All old tech, renewed and reused.
So,I'm figuring that the bulk of the "new" is things we can't see of the bat, that makes the train operate safely.
It's cool.
It pretty much follows what car design has been for the last 90 years, starting with the creation of the IND system.
Dimensions have stayed the same, with minor adjustments here and there.
It's the same R1, modified through each contract with greater and better amenities to suit the times.
Within the next 20 year, the oldest B Division car will be the R143, and they will be 40 years old,..
Wonder what the replacement cars will look like for those. 😊
I’d definitely agree with you. From the side, the car body almost looks like that of an R160. But the newer features on the interior make it stand out. I do like that the R211 merges various features of the past and present to create its current design