MPC Stem VS Serato Stems - Which is Better?
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2024
- In depth comparison of 2 different songs/samples between #MPCstems & #SERATOstems
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Timestamp
00:43 Run through list
01:15 1st Messy sample/song
2:00 Chop 1st then stem out
3:26 Melody stem
4:31 Drum stem
4:46 Bass stem
5:50 Vocal stem
6:13 How to save your project for standalone use
6:46 Same messy song in Serato
7:14 Drum stem in serato
7:22 Switch to mpc
7:38 Switch to serato
8:11 Bass stem serato
8:25 Bass switch in mpc
9:00 Melody stem serato
10:07 Switch melody in mpc
11:26 Vocal stem serato
11:46 Switch vocal mpc
13:09 Clean song test in MPC
16:03 Melody stem mpc
17:26 Drums stem mpc
18:00 Vocal stem mpc
19:10 Melody stem serato
20:33 Drum stem serato
21:12 Bass stem serato
21:40 Vocals serato
23:02 Melody mpc
23:15 Switch melody serato
24:03 Drum stem mpc
23:13 Drum stem serato
24:30 Vocs mpc
24:58 Vocs serato
25:24 Conclusion
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Even after you stem it out you can also use the kill eq to get rid of the background noise in the samples
Absolutely, another trick to the trade thanks for the info and checking it out!🙏🏼
I started on a mpc2000 back in 2000, we did everything to try and isolate sounds. Wiggle the 1/4 inch cable in the back, phase cancel stereo sample, use karaoke machines to remove vocals. You really had to use your brain and make it work. But being wired from the 12 sec sampling time era is a blessing bc the possibilities open up crazy
Haha fact! Thnx for checking out the vid🙏🏼
I love the commentary on this. Your energy is amazing
Thanks so much for the kind words appreciate you watching!🙏🏼🙏🏼
Great stem shootout, they both sound good, with a characteristic to use each system algorithms as an another colour in your production. Let’s not get lazy with Hip hop production and keep the energy pushing in creation. Love your voice by the way, beautiful to literally have the Balance, life needs Excellent Women Producers / Tutors 👩🏻🏫.
MPC got the weight and body to the sound with less fluffy artefacts.
❤ thnx Pongtrometer appreciate the kind feedback!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼 much love
This is exactly the validation we wanted. Great job.
Thanx so much!🙏🏼
Thank you. Spot on with your video. Well done.
Appreciate it thnx for watching🙏🏼
The clarity in the comparisons are both good - I think both can be utilized in their own way. Thanks
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Thank you excellent comparison.
Thanks for checking It out🙏🏼
We needed this. Big subscribe 👏🏼
Appreciate that thnx!🙏🏼🙏🏼
❤great job on the vid ….great content
Thnx so much🙏🏼
Nice. Well done.
Thanks!
Video well done! Your beat🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Appreciate it! 🙏🏼
Great comparison, thanks for your time . Sounds to me like mpc has it licked just slightly. But it’s all amazing technology that we should be grateful for and it will all improve .👍🔥😎
Thanks for watching!
This was dope. I like the way you broke things down. Very informative.
Appreciate the feedback! 🙏🏼
Your welcome 🙏🏾
I use the stems with the mpc key 37 I think over time they will improve it in the quality it takes time it’s still a work in progress for now just have fun doing what you love to do with the tools we are givin
@@mr.mr.3662 agree 100%
@@mr.mr.3662 I agree! It’s about taking the tools that we have and making them work.
What upppppp!!! were all back on our mpc's with these stems. We need a sample challenge with this new feature.
Haha facts!!
Appreciate everything you do, And I Agree with you, we come from that era where you made it work. I remember talking to my cousin 13 years ago, and asking him is it possible isolate instruments on a finished song, And he replied yeah, and he said if you can get the right frequency. He’s a computer tech person and he lives in NY . I remember telling him, if I can do this I could be rich. Only because I can chop the hell out of records ……so the idea was always was in my head and over time I had stop believing it 😂. So we are hear now and it’s possible. It can only 🙀 get better. I’m original from Brooklyn NY, And I truly can’t relate to you, and working with limits. The possibilities are so endless with remixes.
Haha right gotta make it work! Thnx for checking it out🙏🏼🗽🗽
Spot on breakdown. I use Serato studio, and just from listening to this tutorial on my phone, MPC seems to have more girth with the stems. Serato tends to have a digital white noise that can be irritating. Now, like you alluded to, I am from the era in which you have to figure out how to make it work regardless of what equipment or DAW you use. In the comment section, someone provided a solution that I never thought to do that may work. They mentioned that you could kill the eq to get rid of the background noise. Goes to show you that you can teach an old dog new tricks. Anyway, great video and your track is ⚡️🔥💯.
Facts 😂😂 i learn something new everyday still, thnx for checking the vid out🙏🏼🙏🏼
This is a great comparison! I too have tried a whole heap of these. I quite like the way the akai doesnt try to 100% eliminate the other elements and retains a slightly less phased artifacted sound. For my money the best one I have tried is Ultimate vocal remover and its free so double win!. LALAAi is also a good un.
Thnx for checking it out and i agree i like the way it sounds in mpc🙏🏼🙏🏼
I see that ambient music tend to blend more sonically so when using stem seperation you get more artifacts or I should say residual sound from other stems a lot. R&B\ Soul some rock or any music that use less ambient effects or sound tend to seperate a lot better. I pretty much know how its going to turn out when I hear the track. This was a excellent comparison. I absolutely loved the knowledgable commentary along with it. Keep doing what you do. Love to see more. Thank you. 🙏🏾
I agree and thanks so much for the kind words appreciate it!!🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thanks for the comparison. Actually they both work very well and the results can be tinkered with. As far as starting with nothing...I would have to go with the MPC stems because of the Price difference between the two (Hell I'm Old and still on a budget). One thing I can say without a doubt, Them Drums hit hard in the MPC. LOL, Thanks again for taking the time to lay it out like this and also thanks for the "Gem" on slicing prior to processing with the MPC Stems.
Appreciate it thanks for checking it out!🙏🏼
Thank you for uploading your video. I've just got the MPC stems and chopping them first then stemming them is a good shout. I think Serato processed the samples quicker. But you can't beat the MPC for the level of sound it puts out especially after normalising them.
Thnx for watching 🙏🏼🙏🏼
As long as we work with each other and teach each other we grow and learn from each other there’s nothing we can’t learn from each other there’s always a work around we just have to figure it out stems is a work in progress let’s learn and grow and learn from each other in this musical journey
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This is great, it's just gonna help Akai improve their algorithm if they ever happen to see this. that's a dope sample btw 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thnx for checking it out🙏🏼
I like the Serato sound. Seems cleaner to me.
very much better atm
Thanks for the video... From the Bronx ... Stems have come along way ... Wow... Lol.. used record hip hop on cassette tape and try to filter sounds and make loops .. we used what we had ..
Facts we made it work! Thnx for checking it out🙏🏼🗽🗽
Thanks for the vid…what we all gotta factor in is how they originally recorded these joints…but make it work
Satisfied my need to know with no BS time waisting.👍👍
Appreciate you checking it out🙏🏼
Excellent vid. Now I don’t have to do this comparison vid 😂
😂 Glad to save you time, thanks so much for checking it out 🙏🏼
I like your voice 👍🏻
Appreciate it!🙏🏼
Serato in maschine is dope! The MPC is not even standalone yet.
Yup and why even with a MPC I am in no rush.
For $9.99 in the MPC that’s awesome. I’m very happy with MPC STEMS. It’s another great tool.
I grew up poor too. And yeah this is light year ahead of anything I’ve ever had.
Right! Its a great price! Thnx for checking it out 🙏🏼
MPC does a better job to my ears. I use RipX too, which is more on par with MPC. They all leave artifacts in reality, just depends how clean or messy the song is. Having done a few song stems I found MPC best for vocals & drums, they just seem better, less artifacts. Try smells like teen spirit by nirvana, works very well 😎👌
I agree completely! N def will try that thanks for tuning in! 🙏🏼
I use Rip X as well, it’s been dope. It’s true that Some tracks leave more artifacts than others, but I like rip x for being able to turn audio into midi or stems. Gotta try Mpc stems soon too
@@LowKeyPorter yea that midi feature is nice
I've been testing both over the last week and to be honest there's really not that much difference depending on the source material. All have artefacts. Some tracks just sound awful, some great I think Serato is way, way more versatile though, it puts the sample straight into time with the DAW and gives the song Key there's also a lot more options for manipulating the audio. I'm not a fan of separated drum and/or bass stems with either to be honest but I have more drum samples than I'll even need and prefer to program my own. I prefer my bass ( especially sub ) to be super clean.
If standalone comes along for MPC it might be a different story, but I think the onboard processing will be slow. Time will tell with that one.
I still think that Lalal is by far the best quality though but you don't have any chopping.
Is Rip x free ?
I love the MPC and now we have usable STEMS! I liked the sound of the MPC STEMS better. I’ve been using Ableton Live as my DAW and also LOGIC for a while. However I’m considering getting FL Studio and would like to try their STEMS also. First I need a new computer though. I am excited for MPC STEMS to eventually go to stand alone also because I prefer working standalone and DAWless
thnx for watching🙏🏼
From those examples I would pick the MPC. It wasn't even really close for me. The stems just seemed to be cleaner and kept the character a good bit better (less bleeding, filtering, phasing, etc.) They are both way better than I ever would have expected. The whole stems thing is crazy.
Agree completely thanks for checking it out🙏🏼
I did a few stems on my MPC and they came out fine for the most part. Definitely some bleeding. Still way beyond what we could do with low pass and high pass filters. I guess we'll see how much better it gets over time.
Don’t have an MPC but I’ve heard stems from both and MPC does sound and seem better.
The MPC Stems seem to retain the ambience of the sample better than Serato. Serato sounds great but muffled.
To me, FL Studio has the best stem separation as far as the cleanest separation of the tracks. I use that with Speedrum vst and get my chops from there. Don't get me wrong, I like both Serato and MPC stems, but for workflow, FL Studio hands down.
Ive got to try it, thnx for checking the vid out
@@WeSampleEverything Please try.... It's up to you
Have you tried Steinberg SpectraLayers?? I find it to be the best of them all but I don't see any big talk about. Seems like not many people use it but it's the most precise yet
Actually i hvnt, def will check it out tho thnx
@ around 23:00 the direct comparison am I crazy or does the Serato sound good on the surface but then in the background you can hear it actively killing the volume and creating what sounds like a reverb warble? Its present in the drum section too, its sounds like a flanger not a reverb though my mistake. Like a metallic flanger slowly oscillating.
When I compared Serato Sample v2 Stems to FL Stems, I felt FL was more clean. I feel RipX and FL are on par with another and are both better than the other Stem Extractors.
Ive got to try that fl studio its the only 1 i hvnt yet
hey this is what i noticed and this is me from trying different samples... I found that when you use samples that don't have all the Reverb on it... it comes out way better cleaner... this is with the mpc stems though for some reason I can't get Serato to run on my PC...
I could see how that would work thnx for checking out the vid🙏🏼
@@WeSampleEverything and thank you for making time for us in the producer community.
Lalal is better for me
And I’d definitely keep comparisons within the same DAW environment.
Also not sure if you gain compensated but Serato usually needs 3dB or so
How can you keep in same DAW when im comparing stems from different DAWS? 😂 How else can i compare mpc stems?
If you are using your Akai mpc as your DA converter in Controller mode and in Serato the MPC is still the audio interface this is not a an equal playing field because the MPC has that "thud" and "Air" in its DA(which is artificial), there needs to be another converter which is the baseline, playback is everything. Just use test tone from your computer you will hear the difference.
Cubase has had stem separation for over 5 years now, you can also emphasize which stem you want to be more focused on, it can do a whole 5 minutes song in less than what Akai does for one minute song. The converters in Akai is below industry standards is accenting many frequencies to make it sound like a pro machine. It is not one. Great Video and Thank you.
the audio is still inside the computer while in controller mode.
@@Dr_Fangaz334 yes it is but when you take it standalone the converters in the MPC will do the conversion and if in controller mode you are using another audio interface you will hear a difference. Also can time warping you do in controller mode will sound horrible in standalone because your MPC is not a match to your computers CPU. Mpc is basically a glorified midi controller.
@@dubmaverick69 Ok. I'll give a listen also.
If you stem it out again does it change the isolation or is it exactly the same every time?
Great question, Same every time for me
What MPC program/software are you using on your computer???
The actual MPC software
virtaul dj and fl have the best stems in my opinion.
MPC Stems sounds better to me, but Serato is good as well !
Seems like all the stemming software struggles with long reverb tails.
I think it’s because of how the frequency changes.
Does the MPC stems have touch sensitivity?
Not sure what you mean with the touch sensitivity
@@WeSampleEverything when you press a key soft or hard.
If you have you pads/keyboard set to 100 it always plays as loud as possible.
@@pwho405 its on full level but its a sample once its stemmed out yes you can use velocity
@@WeSampleEverything oh ok cool
@@pwho405 appreciate you checking it out
Good battle
Fingazzzz Appreciate it!🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@WeSampleEverything You already know!
The easy of use alone make the mpc stem worth it
Agree!
What’s that New York joint?
Haha leave my lil sample hahah
anyone know the ID of the sample?
I love mpc but gate mpc software
Now compare them to audacity stem seperation.
U kno what i should 😂
Mpc Killed serato with the vocals!!!!
It def did! Appreciate the view!🙏🏼
I disagree that Serato has the best stem separation. Have you tried Algoriddim’s DJay Pro AI on the iPad??? It is by far better than Serato and it was doing stem separation a year before.
I do have dj pro and its horrible for me, i loved it when it was the only 1 out dont get me wrong 😂 but serato seems to work better on the tracks ive been picking , thanks for checking the vid out tho🙏🏼
@@WeSampleEverything have you checked it out since the update? It’s super clean now, practically no bleed from other stems. I DJ using the DJay Pro AI in real time and it works perfect for in the spot remixes.
@@djntu2964 i am def going to check it out asap, it has been awhile since i used it, i got pissed when they took the tidal sub off from separating tracks 😩😂
I got two words “pause mix”
I think I see and hear better with stems….? 12:35
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@@WeSampleEverything it’s a comment before the time stamp….stems sound better
Nobody talking about FL Stems??
Did you watch the video
Yes I did! Good work! Merely saying that it would have been cool to add FL equally comparing all three major stem separation softwares! Your video mainly focuses on Akai vs Serato but I get it! Hope Ableton catches up soon!! 🫡🙏🏾💯
@@650music thanks and yea in the video i explain i didnt try fl studio yet 🙏🏼
Sarato Won on Sample Melody and Bass... MPC Won on DRUMS and Vocals... MPC also Has A Cleaner Amped Sound. Once it Becomes Standalone, The MPC Becomes The Clear Winner.
Thnx for checking it out🙏🏼
Honestly, I think Serato usually does a pretty poor job with stems. Almost always tons of artifacts and loss of fidelity. Akai's version doesn't sound much better. Still way better off with an app like RipX, if you're going to be stemming a long of stuff and care about quality.
Ive had the opposite experience serato usually gives me the best option, thnx for checking it out🙏🏼
Ma you are being very bias in your video. It is plain to see that you like sampling in serato. There is flaws as well as strengths in both software
I actually hate sampling in serato 😂 & i agree there is flaws in both, but i tried to express that i was pleased with both and happy to be using them in this vid, sorry you didnt see it that way but thanks for voicing your thoughts & checking it out🙏🏼
Stems are worthless...unless you got serato. Just my opinion idk.
Virtual DJ's stems 2.0 are a leap ahead of Serato's they actually released 2.0 almost exactly after Serato released their beta stems 😂😂😂
Neither, VDJ sound better than both :P