The step over is not constant allowing for morphing spirals were we account for chip thinning throughout the entire tool path. Look for the feed changes.
To all you doubters, this is steel and it's not a con, I had a live demo of this software, cutting a very similar part to this, no coolant in a standard mould making steel. I was so impressed we now use this solidcam with imaching and 3D imachining exclusively. There is nothing I am aware of quite like it.
Its called trochoidal milling. Using large or full depth of cut, but with small radial step-over. Pretty much the definition of high speed machining. Can save time and uses your tool a lot more efficiently. Though in this video im not sure if steel is being cut. At these speeds, your chips would at least turn straw-colored, but these chips are staying silver like aluminum would. If im wrong and it is steel, thats pretty damn impressive! Thumbs up to whoever wrote the program. By the way, its usually more ideal to use an air blast as opposed to coolant when cutting steel.. coolant can shock and fracture carbide tools if theres a lot of variance in temperature.
thanks for the numbers....I don't often get the chance to make deep cuts in steel with tools that small but I'd love to experiment one of these days....
Lots of interesting comments, but many of you insist this is Aluminum. It is in fact steel being cut at high rpm and feed rate programmed in SolidCAM using their iMachining function.
This tool path offers consistent engagement and less radial depth allowing it to cut considerably faster. And the tool incorporates the latest in cutting technology.
IMachining is SolidCAM's competitive answer to MasterCam's Dynamic High Speed toolpaths. I happen to use MC and buzz through D2 tool steel faster than what's shown here.
Can you give some information? Spindle Speed, how big are the tools we are looking at? What grade of steel? Feed rates? How is the steel fixtured? What other steps are there to finish the part?
@ydna2 Deep cuts with small tools is not easy. Synchronization between all cutting parameters must be maintain throughout the entire cut. You can find other videos of deep depths of cut with 1/2” or 12mm tools but with small tools they are much easier to break, one miscalculation that causes a brief overloading of the tool and they break.
+Logan Newman That's a SolidCAM toolpath. It basically tries to keep the chip load the same, so you don't get any squeaks from the tool and thus your tool life is high.
That ain't stainless. I don't know what the method is called in English, but the principle is to have a constant pressure on the tool when cutting, and working with low radial engagement. It's faster than traditional milling methods and wear less on the tool due to the soft "break-ins". I can do this every day with my Mori Seki 5-axis and Mastercam cadcam.
Trochoidal milling basically, but you can't do this with MasterCAM, you have to give it inputs yourself, whereas SolidCAM iMachining will just ask what material, what end mill and how aggressive you want to cut and calculates all the speeds & feeds automatically to keep a constant chip load & high speed.
@ydna2 I did not cut the part but I got the part file and turns out the part is pretty small. The round stock is 95mm / 3.737" diameter. Here is the data for the 4mm tool 4mm diameter, 9.8mm deep, 16000RPM, 2000-14000mm per minute, .030-1.2mm step over .157” diameter, .386” deep, 16000RPM, 78-551” per minute .0118-.0472” step over
You can get a 30 evaluation version of the software at solidcam.com The Eval version does let you produce G code, and the software comes with post processors for more popular machines.
That's not the mill's table we are seeing. It is a fixture most likely made for this job. I can see it is made from Blanchard ground plate. The mill table would most likely be a scraped surface with t-slots.
I am not allowed to process operations at my employer, as this piece is being machined. It is frustrating to machine a piece similar to this one, with Z depth steps, thus wearing the cutter corner extremely fast. "It is rough on the machine!" Give me a break. I`d like to try a demo version of this software.
any one who explain what is benefits of this processing CNC?? i think Die-Casting or pressing processing could be more productive... and cheaper than this
yes it is steel something like A50 my concern indeed, when I worked on mill, around early 80's this job could take many many hours the roughing itself :-) and I don't have no idea how many hour fileing.. or making a copper chunk for the sinkedm.. time is just changed so much
Money is made or lost in the roughing operation, there is no shortcuts in finishing. iMachining hits to that sweet area of where the money is and that is why their videos are usually only of roughing.
+jacksonlefteye We understand, 5 years ago we worked on this idea and wanted to be noticed. Actually we needed to be noticed so we could recoup our development costs. As time goes on and the technology speaks for itself the name seems unnecessary but internally we have to remember we were trying to be noticed, also any publicity can be good publicity so 5 years later we still have controversy maybe a good thing :)
+skyhacker6 Cast metals have very different properties than rolled or forged metals. Castings tend to be very granular and weaker, but are more ductile. Rolled tend to be less ductile but greater compression strength. Also, casting steel can be tricky. It is actually cheaper, faster, and "greener" to mill away all this material than to try and cast it and mill to final dimension. Keep in mind that the shavings are recycled in all but the smallest shops, and a small shop would not have this machine.
Certainly does, I'm in the process of high speed milling a trepan in some 4340 on a lathe using dynamic motion or trochoidal machining with a half inch carbide end mill with mastercam, will post a video soon if you're interested.
+Daniel Lilienberg I vote for 1018 also. Surface finish on top at beginning is poor. It's held rigidly by bolts, and you can almost feel the force of the cuts even with low tool engagement. Surfcam uses Truemill for an approximate 70 degrees of controlled tool engagement. Nice holders, too.
I don't think this is aluminium, I ran a CNC machining aluminium every day for 3 years. I thought it was at first but look at the chips they look different and they are changing colour. Aluminium won't do this. That said its not very hard material...
Really? All that machining for that? Come on ask any old school machinist and they would have used a 1/2 carb. To ruff out most of that noise , than finished it with the 1/4 finisher! Please !
+BrownSugarSon Absolutely dont see. White metal, no heating, no sparks, no smoke, no liquid cooling, tool from hss with NiT coating not from tungsten carbide. This tool will burn and broke at this speed on steel. This material is aluminum, or, more possibly, magnesium
Randy, your obviously impaired in some way.... the video is not showing the best strategy for the part, but rather the capability of the cutters and software....Please what?
@ 4:05 in the video you see sparks. Aluminum doesn't spark. The chips also show discoloration from heat, aain, which aluminum doesn't do. This is 16MnCr5 steel, basic mold stuff.
The step over is not constant allowing for morphing spirals were we account for chip thinning throughout the entire tool path. Look for the feed changes.
To all you doubters, this is steel and it's not a con, I had a live demo of this software, cutting a very similar part to this, no coolant in a standard mould making steel. I was so impressed we now use this solidcam with imaching and 3D imachining exclusively. There is nothing I am aware of quite like it.
Nice machining on thin sections, without doubt the best method on getting the most out of your tools.
Its called trochoidal milling. Using large or full depth of cut, but with small radial step-over. Pretty much the definition of high speed machining. Can save time and uses your tool a lot more efficiently. Though in this video im not sure if steel is being cut. At these speeds, your chips would at least turn straw-colored, but these chips are staying silver like aluminum would. If im wrong and it is steel, thats pretty damn impressive! Thumbs up to whoever wrote the program. By the way, its usually more ideal to use an air blast as opposed to coolant when cutting steel.. coolant can shock and fracture carbide tools if theres a lot of variance in temperature.
how much spindle rpm?
feed rate ?
what type of cutting tool used ?
what grade material in steel ?
what software used ?
thanks for the numbers....I don't often get the chance to make deep cuts in steel with tools that small but I'd love to experiment one of these days....
Lots of interesting comments, but many of you insist this is Aluminum. It is in fact steel being cut at high rpm and feed rate programmed in SolidCAM using their iMachining function.
what makes it possible to cut faster? smart toolpath?
This tool path offers consistent engagement and less radial depth allowing it to cut considerably faster. And the tool incorporates the latest in cutting technology.
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IMachining is SolidCAM's competitive answer to MasterCam's Dynamic High Speed toolpaths. I happen to use MC and buzz through D2 tool steel faster than what's shown here.
Mark Robirds
Competitive, sure. But way easier and faster to use and thus more economical from programming perspective as well as tooling life.
At 4:05 you can see some bright orange sparks, you wouldn't get that if the material were aluminum.
exactamente
Can you give some information? Spindle Speed, how big are the tools we are looking at? What grade of steel? Feed rates? How is the steel fixtured? What other steps are there to finish the part?
What type of machine (brand) did u use for this? Very curious...
Nice, I really like the way you go into the cut inside the hole. What type of tool path are you using?
@ydna2 Deep cuts with small tools is not easy. Synchronization between all cutting parameters must be maintain throughout the entire cut. You can find other videos of deep depths of cut with 1/2” or 12mm tools but with small tools they are much easier to break, one miscalculation that causes a brief overloading of the tool and they break.
Looks like a medium carbon steel like C45.
Really nice what is the machine being used make model etc?
What kind of stepover/DOC are you using?
how much does this beast cost and if possible what is their website?
Looks like a Volumill toolpath. Or is it just contouring with extra offsets?
+Logan Newman That's a SolidCAM toolpath. It basically tries to keep the chip load the same, so you don't get any squeaks from the tool and thus your tool life is high.
That ain't stainless. I don't know what the method is called in English, but the principle is to have a constant pressure on the tool when cutting, and working with low radial engagement. It's faster than traditional milling methods and wear less on the tool due to the soft "break-ins".
I can do this every day with my Mori Seki 5-axis and Mastercam cadcam.
Trochoidal milling basically, but you can't do this with MasterCAM, you have to give it inputs yourself, whereas SolidCAM iMachining will just ask what material, what end mill and how aggressive you want to cut and calculates all the speeds & feeds automatically to keep a constant chip load & high speed.
What type of steel is it, because it really looks and sounds like Aluminum?
Beautiful.
If it was ali then one could ramp up feed and spindle...esp if using carbide..nice video
@ydna2
I did not cut the part but I got the part file and turns out the part is pretty small. The round stock is 95mm / 3.737" diameter.
Here is the data for the 4mm tool
4mm diameter, 9.8mm deep, 16000RPM, 2000-14000mm per minute, .030-1.2mm step over
.157” diameter, .386” deep, 16000RPM, 78-551” per minute .0118-.0472” step over
You can get a 30 evaluation version of the software at solidcam.com
The Eval version does let you produce G code, and the software comes with post processors for more popular machines.
That's what I love about rigidity... you can't hear it! ;-)
what are these drill bits made out of?
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How long do these tools last for? 100 parts, 10?
What machine is this?
The color is the same as the table and people don't think the table is aluminum. This is just great tooling at incredible rpm.
That's not the mill's table we are seeing. It is a fixture most likely made for this job. I can see it is made from Blanchard ground plate. The mill table would most likely be a scraped surface with t-slots.
nice cuts, love to see the parameters for it!
We all know it's not steal. It's STEEL.
this is great milling! what cam do u used?
iMachining = SolidCAM
I'm paranoid, I would've made even more drilled holes before milling it.
damn this is beautiful lol, CNC ftw
Cutter nearly broke at 2:08, still extremely impressive for steel!
Fast + Smooth.
People saying is aluminum should change their job...
Btw. I think its machined on magnetic table
The part is bolted from thhe underside to a block of steel which is bolted to the table (you can see some of the bolts in the background)
So satisfying.
What type of cnc are you using?
Not sure about that very last toolpath, it left a machining mark.
gacekky1 it is because the last cut was conventional rather than climb milling. It did it on the first layer as well.
I am not allowed to process operations at my employer, as this piece is being machined. It is frustrating to machine a piece similar to this one, with Z depth steps, thus wearing the cutter corner extremely fast. "It is rough on the machine!" Give me a break. I`d like to try a demo version of this software.
Excelente!
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any one who explain what is benefits of this processing CNC??
i think Die-Casting or pressing processing could be more productive... and cheaper than this
what grade of steel is it?
That piece is worth more than my car, isn't it.
if I had won a million dollars in the lottery, I'd invest in a CNC machine.
Why coolant in the end?
Thanks, I will d-load a demo.
You are afraid of Helix entry for the small tool, so you used alsmost 3 times Drill to pre-drill.
That was fast.
for people sayimg ot is aluminum look at the chip color.
yes it is steel
something like A50
my concern indeed, when I worked on mill, around early 80's this job could take many many hours the roughing itself :-)
and I don't have no idea how many hour fileing..
or making a copper chunk for the sinkedm..
time is just changed so much
Which program did you use to make the g code?
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Where's the coolant oil? I dont see any... Does anyone know?
@Tool1717
Correction on the step over .0018-,0472" step over
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I was hoping for pocket finishing
Money is made or lost in the roughing operation, there is no shortcuts in finishing. iMachining hits to that sweet area of where the money is and that is why their videos are usually only of roughing.
it this real time speed?
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no idea what it is ,, but it looks expensive
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respect for the work being done here, but why call it "iMachining" it's so obnoxious, sounds like you're marketing it to hipster tools
+jacksonlefteye We understand, 5 years ago we worked on this idea and wanted to be noticed. Actually we needed to be noticed so we could recoup our development costs. As time goes on and the technology speaks for itself the name seems unnecessary but internally we have to remember we were trying to be noticed, also any publicity can be good publicity so 5 years later we still have controversy maybe a good thing :)
Tool1717 makes sense, every machinist i know would roll their eyes at the name though, good luck to you guys, i like seeing the full DOC stuff
The part in the preview looked too damn shiny to ignore!
I saw some lubricant get squirted in there but that was it unless there was a mister on it tgat I didnt notice...
part of a wankle rotary engine?
have none of you who commented on this video never herd of stainless steel billet
Such a waste of material ! Why didn't they cast the part rather than machining it ?!
+skyhacker6 Cast metals have very different properties than rolled or forged metals. Castings tend to be very granular and weaker, but are more ductile. Rolled tend to be less ductile but greater compression strength.
Also, casting steel can be tricky. It is actually cheaper, faster, and "greener" to mill away all this material than to try and cast it and mill to final dimension. Keep in mind that the shavings are recycled in all but the smallest shops, and a small shop would not have this machine.
+skyhacker6 Casting is for multiple, standardized parts. How do you know that this isn't custom made?
that is not steal: it's silver butter!!!
why are people thinking this is not steel?
+gacekky1 I've never seen brown chips come off aluminum but that's just me.
Certainly does, I'm in the process of high speed milling a trepan in some 4340 on a lathe using dynamic motion or trochoidal machining with a half inch carbide end mill with mastercam, will post a video soon if you're interested.
+gacekky1 Will do.
Cus they know shit
I'm steeling that steal then
This material is not steel and aluminum design the description
+Cositas de Izaiaz agree, too fast as for steel
+Dziomolek The chips are blue and bronze therefore its steel.
+Cositas de Izaiaz Aluminum doesn't produce sparks, steel does. This material is steel, 16MnCr5.
+Dziomolek Too fast? That was pretty slowly driven, you could easily be even more aggressive with the chip removal and still keep your tool life high.
+Dziomolek Have you ever heard of high feed milling?
It's aluminium... the cutters are HSS TiN coated, no serious CNCer would use that for steel :)
about 4:-05, you can see the red chip, alu can do it ? haha
look the chip around like alu ?
+Daniel Lilienberg I vote for 1018 also. Surface finish on top at beginning is poor. It's held rigidly by bolts, and you can almost feel the force of the cuts even with low tool engagement. Surfcam uses Truemill for an approximate 70 degrees of controlled tool engagement. Nice holders, too.
I don't think this is aluminium, I ran a CNC machining aluminium every day for 3 years.
I thought it was at first but look at the chips they look different and they are changing colour. Aluminium won't do this. That said its not very hard material...
Really? All that machining for that? Come on ask any old school machinist and they would have used a 1/2 carb. To ruff out most of that noise , than finished it with the 1/4 finisher! Please !
The old school machinists would also be still machining that part.
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This is aluminum, not steel, and not good regularized.
+Gilson Fabio de Castro It's steel because: chips are goin yellow/blue, it makes sparks and it's not an AL endmill (TiN coating and helix angle)
doesn't seem like steel, more like aluminum
looks like alum to me with a crappy finish
Aluminum doesn't give colored chips nor does it spark. This is 16MnCr5 steel.
I`m pretty sure its aluminium...
+Brendan Raymond What makes you think that that's the wrong tool?
This is aluminum, not steel.
+z3139720 Learn your materials, that is 16MnCr5 steel.
+Jaakko Fagerlund its steal bro... dont you see the sparks?
+BrownSugarSon
Absolutely dont see.
White metal, no heating, no sparks, no smoke, no liquid cooling, tool from hss with NiT coating not from tungsten carbide. This tool will burn and broke at this speed on steel.
This material is aluminum, or, more possibly, magnesium
+z3139720 That is steel. You can see sparks at 4:05 when te cutter goes through the wall. Tool is a standard coated carbide end mill.
Randy, your obviously impaired in some way.... the video is not showing the best strategy for the part, but rather the capability of the cutters and software....Please what?
I've been a tool & die maker for 39 years.... NO WAY that's steel. It's aluminum. PERIOD.
Oh dear.
Aluminum doesn't chip brown and blue.
This is trochoidal milling. YES we can cut this fast with this technique .
@ 4:05 in the video you see sparks. Aluminum doesn't spark. The chips also show discoloration from heat, aain, which aluminum doesn't do. This is 16MnCr5 steel, basic mold stuff.
What type of cnc are you using?
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