Squeezing Coyote power out of a 4.6 Mustang (without boost)
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Find out what it takes for my 2007 Ford Mustang GT to match the horsepower of newer muscle cars like the Coyote-powered Mustang GT and Camaro SS.
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Thank you for showing us 3v owners some quality content.
for real though i’ve learned a lot from this man lol
I graduated from highschool in 2005. The new 3v Mustangs had just hit the local Ford dealerships. Knowing the newer Coyote powered cars make more power but the 05-09 will always have a special place in my heart.
You're right about the looks of your model/year. The car looks fantastic.
@Nick J ..... it did come with a cobra engine tho
@Nick J it looks good but the '13-'14 facelift of this is much sexier and my fav gen
@@jacobspeeds That's what I'm looking for but a Shelby GT500. I love the looks and performance of that car and you still have many mods to make to make it a serious beast
And I have a '15 Challenger SRT (with all Hellcat visual/performance parts FROM THE FACTORY) but have never been truly happy with her - never even named her and only put 5500 on her so far. So the plan is to try and find a dealer with a fairly low mileage model with whom I can trade, but hard to get a righteous trade if there's no really money in it and because of what my car is, NADA has trade in value of my car at a median of $34k. Whatsthevin.com slapped me in the face with a cash offer of $29k proving that my best option(s) are either a private sale (which I honestly don't feel like dealing with, even more insulting process) or dealer trade. Yeah, there are a ton of SRT's out there, but not many like this one in the 2015 model year - the total premium package is pretty much a 2018 T/A offering.
So, if any of y'all know of a dealer with a nice '14 Shelby GT500 in their inventory (which hopefully didn't have the SNOT beat out of it and is still stock - like mine is - I don't think I ever even hit 100 because I live in NYC (but moving to PA by the Spring, where I can actually enjoy driving again), please hit me up!
I love this guy's honest content and he's not some kid who's looking to wrap himself around a tree. HOWEVER, I knew there was no way in hell he was going to hit close to 700 wheel in a naturally aspirated 3V 4.6. It's just not enough displacement without boost to get there. Love what he did with his GT though. Looks sweet. There IS something about this gen 3V that I love but I agree, the 13 - 14 is just a different animal, especially the Shelby!
You really can't beat the design of the 05-09 S197. The "facelift" smoothed all the hard lines out of the car. The worst offender is around the wheels. 05-09 had very nice looking flares. The tail end is much nicer too. The facelifted car's rear is far too smooth and fat, and the tail lights on the 2010-2012 (I believe...) were just awful. Like a child's toy. The later models did have very nice tail lights though.
IMO the 05-09 S197 is the closest we've come to the 1965 Fastback design that is every guy's wet dream.
I bought one brand new in 2007 and still have it! Great cars.
@@AKcelsior I feel the same about the rear tail lights, it looks like they tried to improve the looks with a cheap after market add on imo (not knocking any ones ride just not liking the looks) the front is ok I guess.... the S197 feel is old school imo and I should know I have had in the past two 70 mustangs a second generation Capri and my 89 mustang lx 5.0 conv.. when I found my 08 V6 auto a few years ago it was a fun old school feel 100% and now my new to me 09 GT conv 4.6 5spd is what I have been looking for in a modern car, i'm on top of the world and love this 45th so much.
Incredible quality once again mate. I salute you for spending the hours needed to pull this together! Oh and the power looks fantastic. This NA setup should suit your turbo setup down the road. 👊👍
Best graphical representation I've ever seen in a car video. I salute you as well!
"Man gets frustrated trying to squeeze NA power out of 4.6 Modular" Ahh yes, a tale as old as time. In all seriousness, this is a great video. And a great resource for guys looking at 2009, 2010 or whatever mustangs and wondering what the cost savings is worth. Having switched over to a coyote on my 3rd mustang I know I'm betraying my roots and I still miss that 4.6 sound, but the benefits are hard to ignore if any type of track use is on the table.
Tale as old as time
True as it can be
Barely even friends
Then something bends
Unexpectedly it's the rod on the 'ol number 3
How are you betraying your roots switching to a Ford 5.0 exactly? ;)
So, considering your previous dislike for the frpp intake manifold, what brought you back around to it? In your opinion, is the mid-range torque loss worth the top end gain for a street car?
Mark Gray I think if your 3 valve is a daily then yeah all that top end gain isn’t worth it, unless you go around looking for cars to roll race, it just really depends on what you plan to do
slightly off topic here but there's a lot of 2010 Mustangs around here (bay area california) lately (v6 and v8 models) not sure why. I've also been seeing < 10,000 mile 2010 V6 blue mustangs out and about, too (can tell, no rock chips on front fascia and no license plates). Kinda neat but not sure what the sudden surge of 2010 mustangs is about.
I missed this series. Glad to get another video
This is thee best 4.6 video I’ve ever seen
GT500 owner aiming for 1000rwhp
Oof my 2003 Mustang GT makes about 260 hp :)
@@angelgjr1999 beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
@@angelgjr1999 well that’s a v6 box mustang can’t expect much more than that
@@lilcholo2097 GT has v8 not v6.
I love how you step by step try and maximize efficiency as you move up. This is how I like to build my projects
Although I do not have the power goals you have with my 3v, I really like going through your videos and seeing the progression. Good job once again, as usual!!!
Man, do I love this series!
As a 2012 Coyote owner. I still love seeing your car and love all mustangs. Yours is well put together nicely. Good work man!
Let's get some 0/60 and 20/80 runs at sea level again and you'll find out how much faster it is!
I agree. My car is a beast and I live 20 miles from the Atlantic Ocean in the Charleston, South Carolina area. I have the Brenspeed tune with all bolt-ons except the Ford Racing Manifold and Throttle Body and she acts like an animal.
This guy lives above sea level?
I wonder if this affects horsepower.
@@rencaelum4396 Altitude matters because air density plus generally cooler air if by the sea.
I am originally from Columbia, SC. I moved to Cheyenne, WY and bought a 2005 Mustang GT. It felt sluggish at this elevation level, so I visited Columbia, SC in July of this year and the difference in sound and horsepower was Phenomenal!! Being at sea level everyone thought my car was modded which it isn't. I'm dying to move back to sea level
@@ablackgod7799 You are right. Air is more Horsepower, especially cold winter air.
I’m not a big ford fan, but I love cars in general, and I respect, and love how you are trying to make a vehicle fast that is ALL MOTOR instead of just adding boost. Best of luck on your journey! Im looking forward to the next episode!
Dude i loved this video, loved the attention to detail, the hp comparisons even with the ls3 camaro. Very interesting. everything about the vid was really cool. Awesome job!
Awesome man! Love getting on RUclips and seeing that you posted. 🍻
Thanks Chris!
Don’t like Mustangs myself, but I can respect a well put together video. I’ll be keeping up for sure👌🏼
Felt like I was in a casual business meeting about your Mustang. Very nice quality video!
Good job dude!!! A very well put together video. Good luck with the 3V. I love what you're doing.
Great vid. Oh, I felt the frustration of those early number. Amazing what a difference a good tune can make.
Yup. I have a 2007 as well. Still love the look.
Another '07er here. Yesterday my boss was bragging about his S550 and that it does this and it does that, I said, "Yeah, but it just doesn't look right." Conversation over...
@@guitarded197 Ha ha. I love it! :-)
@@guitarded197 I personally think the 15 to 17s look way better but I guess I thats the nature of judging looks. Its subjective. I will say though having driven many of both the s550 is in a difference league performance and handling wise.
@@guitarded197 Then your boss is stupid, and so are you to a lesser degree. Sure the fifth gens look better, but the S550s look good too, and performance is performance.
@@Larcona_ Get over yourself, pariah.
2005 -2009 best looking years i miss my 2009 and I agree with you brother
Good shit man, I can appreciate going with a body style you enjoy more.
After all horse power is all about how deep your pockets are.
Been watching your videos since I got my S197 GT. A friend had done a ton of work to it before selling it to me. I'm interested in getting close to 500WHP in the coming years. Your channel has been a great source of information, and your production quality is always top notch.
Love it ! Thanks for giving us feedback after soooooooo long ! Keep it up ! Doing us a bigger favor of saving us your viewers money and time and choosing a good set up not just burning our money !
Nicely done. It’s very satisfying to get big performance by implementing mods versus getting the same performance off the showroom floor.
I like the dyno curve comparison with the more modern vehicles. I would really like to see and hear some in car footage, I'll bet that cam sounds sick!
Great job👍👍. I have an 05 gt that I absolutely love, even though it sometimes seems like the 3V is the stepchild of the last 15yrs in the mustang family, I love the 3V, glad you are showing how to properly build. thanks
Sounds absolutely amazing!
I was just rewatching all of your videos yesterday lol waiting for a video 😂
respect for building up that gorgeous mustang. you caught my attention no doubt. subbed.
So glad you’re back. Your videos make me want to dig back into my 2008 Bullitt.. my mods are almost the same as yours (stock intake/TB) otherwise pretty much spot on.. Power numbers are similar as well, anyways. I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, excellent series. Thanks!
Man I really like your channel I like the way you break it down and make it simple and easy and all the work that you did to get there is amazing Jean taking stuff off and putting it back on and explaining it and I really really appreciate your breakdown of all the things that you've done and a comparison with Camaro and the Coyote and and all that that is really really cool
Beautifully produced video. I can't recommend this era mustang enough. I've had the V6 and GT and loved them both stock (the GT more ;)
I'm just glad you finally got to put the intake manifold to use
no doubt, almost sold it
Great job man. Love that you're working that 3V!
Perfect presentation and no BS filling in the video. Thanks for the organized comparison.
It’s great to have some high quality 3v content
Impressive video and results. This is my favorite gen of Mustang too. Thanks!
Hey, just stumbled on this series! Cool build and the videos are nicely done. Car sounds really nice with the new cams.
i bought one too, i just love the way it even looks just sitting in a parking lot.
Such an awesome OG body style.
New sub! Sweet ride and good work! Been looking at new edge 2valves but this has got me wanting a 3 valve! Those smoked taillights are the business!!!
Damn. Sounds so good with that lope
Love just listening to you talk, so much knowledge
i’m really excited to see your build man! keep it up can’t wait to see it in the future!
Never been more excited for a video.
You are now a certified intake manifold installer 😁
lol
Can I join the club
@@Four_Eyes I can't say it enough how much I love this body.From experience hands down I would buy a 07 GT500.My 07 Shelby GT is a beautiful looking car. But trying to compete with the car's of today you need a car that can make big power and the 07 09 GT500 is the perfect car too make that happen.
Such a great video man! Thanks for this. I know how hard these videos can be to make from experience. Keep'em coming!
They really are, thanks dude.
Really appreciate the time you took to post this video! I have 2005 GT with some of the mods you discussed and curious about updating additional mods (cams, intake)
Appreciate you watching 👍
Damn thats badass man!!!! Love the 3v love. Great video :)
The 05 through 09 are my favorite body style
Been waiting and watching for next video. Great source of info and inspiration! Thank you!
Oh, I love this. Thanks for disclosing horse power on port and polished heads!
TBH, even 370HP at the crank seem amazing for a 4.6 3 valve. Cudos to Ford for doing something different.
This style of mustang is better than the new and yes I own one. The best blend of retro with modern tech
I like the gen prior to the last gen 4.6
I wonder how long it will take for someone to take the S197 body and put it on a S550 chassis (if that’s even possible). If they do, they could have the best of both worlds for S197 fans. I owned both an S197 and currently own a S550. I like both for what they are, but have to admit the S550 is my favorite.
Loving this series of vids
You Sir, just made my day!!! Thanks a ton for the excel sheet.
4.6 is alot easier to work on than a coyote
I remember seeing the s197 platform time I seen the a covetable at 40th Of at Nashville speedway what great looking car timeless deign👍👍👍👍👍👍 nice increase in power your car is really clean looking.
This Chanel’s gonna blow up. Straight forward professional work. I’m glad I caught when I did this Chanel’s gonna go places.
Can’t wait to start my 3v build , great video. Im ready for the next one 😎
Great video, that's exactly why I bought my '05 Mustang. I love the looks and I will squeeze out as much as I can out of the 4.6
Love those Detroit rockers btw!
You really put together some quality videos. Keep it up!!
awesome video man yet too see a video that actually explains power more than just peak numbers. wish more people went into things with these things in mind.
I also like this mustang body too 👌
I like the styling of the 2005-2010 model year.
2010 looks like the 11-14 years. It's the odd ball. I have one.
Yeah, the 2010 sure is an odd one. It looks like a 5.0, but has the 4.6 and a 5 speed. I have one that I drive everyday, and I have to say it's really great! From the factory it made 315 HP and 325 ft-lbs of torque at the crank. I'm sure those numbers are closer to 270 now, but I'll be honest, the dang thing still rips! I just took a ride in a 2011 California Special today, it has the 5.0, and while it was definitely faster, it doesn't feel like an extra ten thousand dollars worth of fun. I have the 5 speed manual myself, and I've beaten similar year Camaro SS and Dodge R/Ts without redlining or pushing to the max. The other day I just barely beat a SRT8 Challenger, it even surprised me. I got clapped by a Subaru with AWD though, so there's always that. I live in Louisiana, so I'm very sea level, even below LOL. Also, the 2010 gets to 60mph in about 4.9s, which is nothing to laugh at, but that's in good conditions launching at about 2100RPM. With a smaller tire, decent prep, and good weather, I think we'd all be impressed at what that car could do 0-60 in. Also keep in mind that the thing weights about 3600 wet, no driver. Take the spare and all the other crap out, and you're super light compared to the GMs and Chryslers. Camaro about 4100-4200lbs, and Challengers around 4200-4400. Even though they eclipse the Stang's power, they are basically carrying a 700-800lb weight. Adding 100ish HP doesn't do much when you also add 700 pounds to your car. I've been chopped by plenty of cars, but I have also been surprised to what I can still outrun. 2010 model year is pretty nice, personally I prefer the body over the 05-09. Both are nice though. My favorite is when some loud ass truck is next to me revving and he thinks I'm slow as fuck cause my car looks faded and stock, which it is, and I just clap his cheeks when the light turns green. Unless of course I fail the launch in spectacular fashion and look like a dipshit. When I get it right though, can't lie, feel like Dale or Senna, lol.
Love the series! Keep it up!
Looking forward to this series as i just bought a 427r
Man, stage IV is a lot of money 💸💸 I like it the way you have it now. Just put some 4.10 gears in it.
RW Jack all that money to get to 60 mph a second faster...
6:47 you're describing runner length based on air velocity. It's more about rpm. When the intake valve closes incoming air is suddenly forced to stop and compresses against it. This creates a pressure wave that is reflected back up the runner. When the signal reaches the end of the runner it is reflected back toward the intake valve again (see diffuser). This precharges the incoming air. To optimize air flow you want the intake valve to be opened as the reflected pressure wave is incoming.
Higher RPM means that a shorter distance is needed for the pressure wave (signal) to travel. That's why short runners work at higher rpm. Longer runners are found on vehicles requiring more low end torque. Torque is a function of cylinder fill. Forced induction torque curves are so different because cylinder fill is less dependent on rpm. Then, horsepower is torque x rpm.
I have a sheet metal intake on my LS1. PCV system on these allows a lot of oil into the intake. I was missing a manifold bolt, and this resulted in an oil leak. It didn't occur that an intake gasket leak would cause a mystery oil spray mess. When I put a new bolt in the problem went away. I've known for a while about the whole runner length thing I described, but I didn't think it made that much pressure. Trust me it's substantial.
Excellent work on your 3V btw.
Hey great comment, appreciate this info. Check out this study on intake runner length versus torque when you have some time: www.emeraldm3d.com/articles/emr-adj-length-intake/
@@Four_Eyes That is interesting. I wouldn't have expected dips in torque curves. If I had to guess an intake runner has to chosen based on wave number of the compression. 1st order would be a little over 14 ft for 4800rpm. Obviously runners are much shorter. The question is how to calculate the runner harmonics and apply it in the real world. I'm beginning to wonder if it so complex that the work is done empirically, as in your link. The problem is difficult enough simply assuming the speed of sound at STP conditions. Further calculations have to be done to find the pulse width. Then apply that over an rpm range. MAP sensors don't account for acoustics...
Youre super right these 2005-2009 look sooo amazing best looking mustangs out there
Bro your car looks amazing! Love it
Like i was suggesting earlier in a previous vid you did a few years back, if you did a 4.10 rear end gear upgrade, it won't change numbers, but it will be a big launch difference.
I'd consider this particular set up if I were content with the 4.6l 3 valves maximum n/a output of about 430 crank hp. Realistically, it is an adequate amount of horsepower for fun. Good build. Ford Racing had a package like this available a couple years ago, and the power your making is what they advertised. Right on. . .
Awesome man great looking ride with amazing sound.......should bring a smile everytime you gas it!! Look forward to more great quality videos in the future! take care
This just popped up in my recommendations as I have been thinking about picking up a 3V. I like the body style as well. Mine would be more of a cruiser, so from what you have outlined it seems I would not really need to go past what you have done in stage 2 to be satisfied. Great video; very informative. Appreciate the detail on what you have done.
I'm with u on the look 05-09 and 13-14 the best. Cant wait till they redesign it again. The 15-current just not doing it for me 🤦🏾♂️
200Homicide I love my 2019 mustang especially with the kona blue paint.
With the new 10 speed automatic.
200Homicide past gens looked aggressive. New gen feels modern and sleek which isn’t bad but it’s not terrifying to see
@@TheDustyaman they're not terrible no.
@@fritzjean-philippe2464 that's exactly what I always say. But if u bring the fenders and wheels out and black the rims. Nice wing. Rtr grill. Nice hood. Itll look better. But I hate to say mustang still is behind. Taillights look like a step behind the 14. Headlights still need something new. The fog lights look like early 2000s. The Camaro charger and challenger looks better and newer. Sadly. I feel like the s550 should've been the 05-09 model. Especially how the headlights are.
And also they went with the other companies and made the mustang look like the rest of the ford lineups in the face 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ at least could've put the fusion headlights on the mustang lol although u can buy raxiom to do that
I feel the same way about these 05-09 mustangs, I love the way they look reminds me of a 68 fastback. My car is an 05 mineral grey I built to drift has hot rod cams, jlt series 3, full straight pipe no cats no mufflers custom tuned by Lito mds, bc coilovers, eBay Hydro e brake, car gets it but I’d imagine it’s gonna chuck a rod soon lol
Sick 👌
Did you know mineral gray was only offered on 05 model year?
Actually just made a video of a mod I just had done to my build that pretty much completes that fastback look. Rear quarter window delete
If you continue making videos of this quality, you’re going to have a ton of subs in no time.
Keep it up man, can’t wait until the next video!!
I heard 2V makes power way easier and smoother than the 3 valve due to the design, you should race a similarly powered 2V from the model before and see how y’all do.
Trinidad Shade Two valves life’s matter
3V heads outflow the 2V easy but the vct is the problem.
Ronald Jensen 4v> 2v > 3v
Just a heads up Alejandro flores just teased a plug and play coyote swap for 2005-2009
ruclips.net/video/1LTRwyvnpdQ/видео.html
excellent job so far on this car.. keep up the good work
Man I love your videos! Wish you could post more often!
If I had a GT, I'dve made you a twin turbo kit to play with.
Coyotes do have more power but i love the sound of a 3v
Omg! You are really making those videos just for me!!!
:)
Thx!
Was anticipating your next content!
2010 Cammed Camaro SS owner here... super professional and entertaining video. Def earned a sub!
Why he be looking like Captain price from the new mw
That was interesting. I’ve got an 03 4.6 dohc and I’ve given up n/a and bought a supercharger
I also have one......2004 Mach 1........I no it won't make near the power cammed but dam she's going to sound nice .....with plenty of power to get you in trouble and will last a little longer...... hopefully 😂
mistress313 Tons of potential in the 4.6 4V, you just need an intake manifold and ignition system that will allow to pull and make power up around Coyote-style rpm.
ruclips.net/video/BoYIgjhHgvQ/видео.html
Way more efficient approach and what I recommend most 3v owners do.
All motor just isn't cost effective in those things. Forge the bottom end and boost it over 600hp
edit: the 03-04 cams run out of steam after 5800 rpm even though the recline stretches to 7k, because the cams are borrowed from the cobra.
The 2005 - 2009 retro look is awesome , 3v w/long tubes and cams sound mean , too easy to buy a new car, great video and content, there are so many of these cars around makes great content for a lot folks !
Your so so so right about the looks, that mustang is the best looking by far. Perfect mix of heritage and evolution
I have two S197's, an '08 and a '12. I love the '08 more.
For the looks? Is the power difference really so much at WOT stock by stock? I know a 12 coyote runs 0-60 in like 4.4 secs. and with good launch and tires the 4.6 3V in 4.9 secs.
@@gorgeusjames Sorry for late reply. Yes, for the looks. The 4.6 is a slug compared to the 5.0.
Coyote is such a better engine all the way around, personally wouldn’t have a 4.6 again unless it was a 4v (in a cobra)
That 3.7 imho is the bang for your buck. Damned things are a dime a dozen where I live and I imagine in other states like Florida they probably are even less $$. I think if I was getting a 2013 I might consider that 3.7, super cheap. The 4.0 was a good engine if I am not mistaken but it had stigma in the Mustang community and just wasn't up to snuff for the car to have. I used to own one, it was fine but paired with an auto it wasn't the most fun to drive. it was pretty good though.
@@dennisstith2860 agreed 100%
Ah yes, the n/a 4v 4.6. Such a good engine that it took a bump in compression just to get it to 315 crank.
@@Thomasrollins_ too bad the cars they put the 4V in were junk heaps but oh well, those cars are over 20 years old now anyway.
The Coyote has more problems than the 4.6. That's a fact. It makes more power but it's not going to outlast a 4.6.
Thanks for the quality videos man, love your work
Thanks Carter ✌
Best series please keep making these videos!!
I'm a dodge fan, but this was done exactly like I would have ever wanted to see it done. I had to scribe.
Have you considered swapping your engine with a 5.0 engine? I have 2007 mustang gt too 👍
Not worth it, coyotes sound like shit
@@karlhopkins713 The 3Valve sounds superior and the cost I don't see as feasible. Unless money doesn't matter.
That or a voodoo engine ...... the 5.0 sounds godly compared to this shit 3v
@@amordeweso 🤣🤣🤣 delete this bullshit YOU ARE A FUCCN LIAR
Karl Hopkins 100% worth, 3Vs have leaking OPA cam phasers, self-grenading undersized roller followers, separating spark plugs, and are overall pieces of shit that ALSO sound like shit.
I agree about the looks. Thats exactly why I got my 05. Now trying to make it stronger
I love your videos. I got my mustang 3 years ago and have been watching a while. Inspiring me to get my 3v a youtube.