George RR Martin on Writing Battle Scenes
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A Song of Ice and Fire Author George R. R. Martin on Writing Battle Scenes and War (2014 and 2018) #Gameofthrones
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George reminds me of the Old guy who owns the shop in a fishing town who gazes out at the sea remembering the time he almost caught that special fish
You’re thinking of The Old Man and the Sea.
@@Simplejackfade
Yeah he reminds me of the guy from far harbor, They have the same hat
Its the hat.
Bunch of nonsense
very allegorical
After reading blackwater in a clash of kings, and hearing him describe the challenges, he executed it perfectly. Having Tyrion both be set up as Hand, therefore general for the defenese of kings landing, and having Cersei's schemes push him to the front lines allow for us to see his plans be executed without having them spoiled previously, and immerse us in a "visceral" battle scene described in immense detail.
I was thinking the exact same thing when I was listening to him talk! However I’d say that GRRM delivers a master stroke in the battle of the black water by also giving us Davos’ viewpoint so we actually understand firstly Stannis’ plan and secondly Tyrions plan (aka the chain).
I wouldn't say perfectly since Tyrion's POV reeks of plot armour and it's quite ridiculous to read about him killing/injuring half a dozen armored knights and only getting hit in the end by an ambiguous assassin (who failed nonetheless.)
But it's really good, Davos' POV especially.
I really liked the melee battle scene in Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. The way George describes Dunk's limited vision through his helmet gives a real sense of claustrophobia.
what an absolute genius. just perfectly measured discussion of very complex topics. a true modern character writer
Do authors often get together to write like a super book or some shit? I feel like there would be a lot of good material out there if they bounced ideas off of each other
@@GgCashh451 not sure about super book, but author do get allong to write novella.
@@GgCashh451 That would be a terrible idea. They all have different and unique styles. If they work together it will just be a mix of everything and would be considered as a standard and mediocre story/writing.
@@comebackguy8892 I don't know about authors, but in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul they had whole team of writers, and they did get along with each other, I guess the key here is to have some guy(Vince Gilligan/Peter Gould) who would direct the overall plot
@@anaumnau Yes, but breaking bad isn't exactly a "visual" masterpiece like Pulp Fiction or The Batman. Though the acting and story is of course a completely different story.
One of the best battle scenes in aSoIaF was the Asha private perspective on Stannis atack on some Iron Sons
I liked when Ser Whatsisname apologised to her afterwards for being rude.
You mean after the recapture of Deepwood mote?
George doesn't hide us from the details, even the horrible details, and I like that
1:14 George understands the importance of the High Ground, another reason why he’s my favourite author
Obi-wan would approve
That's a pretty shitty reason but ok
Ramon Jardim not sure if you understood the Obi Wan reference, if your mentally undeveloped or if you just don’t have a sense of humour. Either ways move on with your life this was 7 months ago
@@Ronam0451 Ramon Jardim is a shitty name but you're using it anyways.
My random guess for the battle of ice is Asha will be the “private” perspective while Theon being sitting back with Stannis will be the “general” perspective.
sounds more like a totally logical deduction than a random guess, holy shit that is going to go so hard
What battle are you talking about (i read up to AFFC so probably it's a spoiler of ADWD)?
@@tankmh4468 Yeah, he’s referring to something that is technically going to occur in TWOW, but you see much of the lead up in ADWD.
@@donnyemig6001 bro that’s osha
@@tankmh4468 To me it reminded me the battle between Asha and Staniss in ADWD
"We kinda forgot about our battle tactics"
Action being bloodless violence is the Fast and the Furious chasing scenes.
Every character who dies in those movies doesn't even die, they come back a few movies later lol
Its funny because D&D butchered all logical battle strategy at winterfell.
Nice profile pic
@@hunterrowland3601 lmao
They sort of forgot about battle tactics
You don't even need to know battles to know how stupid that battle was. Especially the Dothraki part.
Episode 2 was okay. They're battle preparations were good. (Other than putting all women and children in the crypts...) I had never been so psyched for a battle. I have never been so disappointed. I don't hate the Dothraki charge. They're a Calvary so they're almost useless behind the walls. But how did half survive? Numerous times we saw main characters about to die but then live.
I myself have noticed that it’s easier to write sword fights than unarmed or firearm fights, because you need the right amount of detail.
Often you'll find people simply have less experience and/or knowledge vis a vis swords and their use so it's less likely that a reader would find a mistake and lose suspension of disbelief.
Much more people in the modern era are acquainted with firearms and their usage
@@bigmacattack7747 so true, and those aquatinted folks will be all over it if there is any inaccuracies. I challenge anyone right now to go watch a scene from a show or movie on youtube that includes a gun (or guns) firing. Go to the comments sections. Now find your arguments and complaints about the details.
Sorry, I know you guys were speaking of writing, but I have just noticed it a lot on here lately.
@@anasurimborplantagenet5478 It's a fact man, you got it
this is why i liked game of thrones so much, it was fiction but it had realism
I'm fine with following the "private" in battle scenes. The only thing I ask is:
1. I know who the officers are, at least visually
2. There are orders heard in the background, doesn't have to be super clear to the audience but it should be there
3. The soldiers hold formation for the most part
4. There is some visual of the supply carts, especially during marches
Really appreciate the links in the description.👍👍
Hearing GRRM talk about this has me PUMPED for the Battle of Ice. No way it occurred and he denied us the pleasure of reading it. No way. The Pink Letter is nothing but lies and conjecture!
PS- Go Stannis!
Stannis the Mannis. His Grace marched out like a King and went out like a Baws.
@@willthisdoreviews3376 Rest assured, our one true king will not make his series exit as he did in the show. He'll live long enough to meet Daenerys- as the blue eyed king w/a red sword who casts no shadow (that she saw in the House of the Undying).
@@ashleyofnaath Here's hoping George might end up writing a seriously bad-ass ending for our King, maybe as a middle finger to Dumb and Dumber!
Excited to read it for the first time with my great grandchildren!
Even tho cause everytime Martin kills he let everybody knows in many details(Specially with the Red Wedding he did that)Then why the hell he would portray the death of Stannis on a letter?
2:34 I like how he strokes his beard 😂
This is why I'm patiently waiting for Winds Of Winter.
I wonder what he thinks of the battle from the long night episode
I think he had a fucking heart attack from that.
He couldn’t see shit 🤷♀️
@@TBx46 that's winter in GOT
Since they rushed the show, the episode ofcourse has its problems but I still think it is truly an incredible episode
@@danielirl9252 incredibly lackluster
Imagine Stannis losing and Theon going back to Ramsay along with Asha 😂 shit would be dark as fuck. I could see Stannis dying, but Theon killing Ramsay and Theon and Asha taking over winterfell, it would be redemption for Theon to hold it, and to give it back to Jon when he comes since he’ll be on his way there.
Theon would kill himself if Stannis lost the battle.
I love hearing his opinions on this, I’ve always been so fascinated with extreme violent, yet I’d never be able to be a surgeon. Amazing how humans have a side that just do not cringe at the sight of gore.
Dam never would have thought about that
"The Rotten One"
Oh man, that was just supreme
I am reminded of Aegon the whatever’s master of coin. He built this keep. It even outshone Cay-sterley Rock
More like Gay-sterley rock
gottem
The Sacred and the propane
“Duh something” ... anyway Aegon clapped him in irons
mysaria: “Put all this family civil war to rest. the basterd insults, the lying and bettayal. Start a clean slate. Lucerys valeryon what ever happend there. May the seven give him rest.”
Rheanyra: “WHAT EVER HAPPEND THERE. COCK SUCKER ATE HIM WITHOUT ANY PROVACATION WHAT SO EVER!!!”
I always find this tough in dnd
George should play Total War games.
Dont forget everyone, one horse lord is a Dothrakus, but plural are Dothraki
Really?
@@vek3681 No. That’s how pluralizing works in Latin. It’s a joke.
GRRM on writing battle scenes:
"I take my time.."
It's an amusing cliche in action movies where a catastrophe occurs, and then we cut to a bureaucrat lecturing the heroes for being reckless and adding "it's a miracle that no one was hurt". Yeah. Yeah it is a miracle. The whole building came down. Were they all on lunch break?
Is this a recent interview?
For a second I thought he was with the After Prison Show guy and was like…what the?
George Martin is the Man Behind the Arrow
I thought GOT had some good battle scenes, Most movies and shows the battle scenes look clustered, Whether it's too many people on screen or they are all just wailing there weapons
Lol And that describes an actual battle.Just people clustered wailing there weapons. Yeah I agree, doesn't work to well in TV and movies.
Battles lasted hours and were fairly slow. Its hard to condense that down into ten minutes roughly on screen. Films like Alexander do the best job imo.
0:46 must’ve been pissed at the long night and the battle of kings landing season 8
i really hate the giggling / laughing
a lot of battles in the books happen off screen(page).
Yes, he has avoided all the battles. Either the character gets knocked or the chapter ends
@@SubhamPalcyd not blackwater, that was awesome. There’s also Jon snow defending the wall at the end of ASOS and other smaller fights, but I agree, George RR Martin doesn’t really give us too many battles.
@@cheeseisjar3058 nope nothing happened at blackwater. Tyrion gets knocked out just after the ships burn.
Jon vs Mance Ryder started off grand but ended quickly. That was nice though.
Jon snow defending against Yigritte troupe was the only true battle
@@SubhamPalcyd What do you mean nothing happens? there is a big naval battle and tyrion is fighting off stannis' forces on a bridge of wrecked ships
Sauron Euron
He has plainly learned much from Bernard Cornwell’s example.
2:42
4:12
*I know he screamed* for 80 mins for the entirety of the Long Night episode - considering he’s a fan of battle tactics
When Winds of Winter❄⛄ is released , I will take what is mine with fire and blood I will take it.
💥🔥🐉🐲🐉🔥💥
You will take it with a mouse, you will take it in a house
He should just finish the freaking book series
D&D should've never Watched LOTR battles
We may have got better battle's
LOTR has great battles. Unfortunately, D&D can’t even copy them correctly
@@megamovieman101
Exactly
Watching all these videos on Aegons channel makes you realize this is all time he could've been writing Winds of Winter
There are plenty of people who enjoy GRRM's work so much that it has led them to go full circle and become unhappy with him. They are annoyed at his procrastination. Impatient at him for not working faster, concerned for his age, frustrated at the prospect of him dying or otherwise becoming so ill that he cannot finish the very writings that popularised him in the first place.
For an author, this is what success looks like. This is how it goes when you tell a tale that is so good that people become afraid you are about to die without finishing it.
And so GRRM finds himself in the odd situation of being successful without having finished. I wonder how that feels. I wonder how it feels to sit alone at a desk, 70 years old, and know that you haven't been wrung dry yet. To know that you still have a lot of work to do before people are happy with you. And then to feel that, once the final word has left your hands, you have officially finished your life's work. You, as an author, are considered done.
Without missing a beat, your appreciators then become transfixed by the next author or curiosity, never really having understood the true depths of your work and the deep truths to be found therein.
Perhaps the best bet then is to leave them guessing. Perhaps the perfect story is an unfinished one.
@@redryder3721 This looks suspiciously copied and pasted from a smarter man, perhaps an Elder Brother.
@@willthisdoreviews3376 So articulate was the man's argument, so convincing his words, that his peer did assuredly quoth: "yeah that dude's totally an imposter".
@@redryder3721 Stephen King is 73 and he writes at the pace of a rabbit on crystal meth.
@@redryder3721 you are a bit of a sussy baka
To damned bad we’re never gonna know how it ends, he’ll never finish A Dream of Spring, we’ll be lucky to get The Winds of Winter
I don't get why the person in the background keeps laughing. What's so funny?
Marijuana?
It’s probably Ares
Finish the damn book lol
He says real life doesn't present us with Sauron-like antagonists, making it difficult to write about a realistic big bad evil, but not even one minute earlier he's letting you know he'd kill Hitler for the sake of him being Hitler. Is Martin perhaps invested in an exaggerated and romanticised fantasy world where pure evil apparently does exist?
Pure evil definitely exists, just perhaps not the great big sauron like evil
it's just a joke
On that specific aspect, Andrej sapkovsky does better than him
Yeah George i didn't really care about the name of every ship that sailed into blackwater bay on that fateful day
That took me out of the battle and just made me really confused. Not a good chapter imo
Ikr, also it was really short as well. I was taken aback haha.
I did. It reminded me of the way ship battles in real life are described, ship names are always used.
Meh.
@@jaimelannister1797 Nah.
GRRM on writing battle scenes: They happened off-page
Battle on the green fork was written, battle of Blackwater Bay was written, the battle to hold the wall was written
@@conors4430 wasn't battle of oxcross written?
How about he actually starts writing again and finish this series?
This guy is an American disgrace but I do love me some game of thrones
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@@russellfisher1303 what can't understand english?
@@russellfisher1303 hes a liberal talks bad on our military
@@stomper5432 what did he say specifically?
@@russellfisher1303 tbh I don't remember exactly
I looked up the guy martin is sitting besides in this video, he writes military science fiction. Wikipedia has this to say about him and Martin:
"Lines of Departure was nominated for the 2015 Hugo Award for Best Novel on a slate organized by the "Sad Puppies", a group of "right-leaning science fiction writers." In reaction to this, Kloos withdrew the novel from consideration for the award. He was subsequently honored by George R. R. Martin for this decision."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marko_Kloos
Martin is and always continues to be a total boss when it comes to not allowing right wing assholes to take over fantasy. Politics in fantasy can be great, but not when these groups intrumentalise unwilling authors for their bullshit.
That's badass! Thank you for sharing:-)
Now if only he could stop the left wing soy boys taking over and strike a nice balance ,but I doubt it cos ya know, orange man bad.
@@glennross85 As a left wing soy boy, I wish we were taking over. Reality ain't that simple tho. I just want people to respect each other, including people of any skin color, any ethno-religious background or any gender, that's all.
@@smuu1996 the vast majority of people dont care what color your skin is, who you pray to or what you do in your bedroom. Its just a few idiots with nothing better to do.
Both the left and the right have something to contribute to society. Let's not insult those we disagree with, just debate them.