The Huge Difference Of Diablo 4 VS Path Of Exile 2 | DM Reacts
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I'll play both and be twice as happy.
How dare you enjoy two things you.. you.. criminal!
@@Kangaroo_NickYT LMAO so true hahha
That's illegal, it means you have above room temp IQ, unlike 99% of these braindead shilling gaymers.
D4 being rushed to stagger its release with PoE2 was probably a good idea all things considered. A lot of people will have a chance to play both.
I'm patiently waiting for PoE 2 while dodging the bullet from the pain and agony of D4. More than happy not to suffer the launch of a broken game.
I like how DM is starting to give video edit cue to Frosty 😅
Shut up
I came here to say that too lmao!!!! Cant wait to see what Frosty does with that.
"Frosty, don't clip that" was so funny! It's just always on DM mind now
I died laughing when he said that 😅
lol it's like his own version of "Pause"
Diablo 4 and Poe 2, are different games to me. They are different enough to be competitors and that's why I play D4 and Poe and will continue to play D4 and Poe2
I know people act like you can only like one is so strange to me
@@SeriousClownLOL if you start playing poe/poe2 you wont be playing D4 because of the amount of content you can do but not on D4
Brother youve never even played poe2
@@SeriousClownLOL you can like both but one is going to inevitably be better, even if only slightly... and in most cases people will play the thing they like best
@@paimog9233 I was playing POE when you had to get a email invite to join the beta way before it was popular and I'm not going to do the cyberpunk 2077 and praise POE2 while it's not even out yet
One of D4’s biggest issues is the skill twig. It doesn’t need to be as complicated as POE but it can head more towards LE. There are not enough satisfying skills for each class that you can build around. There is a huge lack of diversity and among other things it limits replay ability. POE has a ton of fun skills you can build around and really enhance. Also you can cosmetically change them which helps refresh those skills
I would like to see a season where they remove most restrictions in the skill tree and see how it goes.
@@MT-so2mk that’s a great idea too
Honestly every single offensive power that is on gear should be on the damn tree. With only defensive lego powers on gear. I think it is so stupid for your tree to basically never make your character feel better without the lego gear to go with it. Plus classes like Sorc have no way to even scale something like lightning damage. I have just uninstalled because they have no idea what they are doing.
They literally reimplemented the original D3 skill system but made it in a skill tree node UI. You choose 1 of 5 options 6 times and that's your build. Unbelievably limiting.
when poe came to early acess the biggest problem was the lack of content, but the basic machanics were there, and this moved a whole comunity arround it..
I remember playing POE in the early days when you had to get a Email invite to the beta, watched it evolve alot
Alva and expedtion guys are in PoE 2 maybe have this 2 mechanics in . Its more content than D4 at start
D4 was lacking basic functionality when it was released. They've had 12 years since D3...there's really no excuse for the condition D4 was released in. Over a year later, and they are *almost* to the level where the game should have released, but still lack a lot of things and have a lot of issues.
GGG was a tiny indie company when they released POE. Blizzard was already a billion dollar company when they started developing D4. Vastly different expectations are needed of what should be expected on a games release.
If we are talking early access poe1 sure but release Poe1 nobody bitched about content because Maps were a gigantic innovation in ARPG endgame at the time. the main issue was desync in the first couple years of poe1. Not content.
Guy is kinda of a hater poe2 isnt perfect an we havent played bud
POE is cool and all but my god the combat feel bad and watching POE2 it does not feel up to par yet
you're on some crack if you think poe2 combat doesn't look good.
poe 2 combat is 1000x more better than d4 already even poe 2 isn't out yet.
what? POE combat is already better than diablo IV
i have tried getting in to poe but i simply cant,it just doesnt feel good,the combat is janky and the main feature that makes an rpg fun,the loot is completly uninteresting in poe,granted d4 isnt amazing in this regard either,but it atleast has it,in poe i never felt excited killing a boss,because the boss would never drop an interesting piece of loot,everything is crafting,and an extremly poorly designed unintuitive crafting system at that,i have mostly been playing grim dawn and now some last epoch,i rly hope poe2 makes loot fun
",because the boss would never drop an interesting piece of loot"
...ah yes because diablo 4 ever had interesting loot XD
💀💀
@@Foatizenknechtl like i said,its not by much,but it atleast exists,other games do it much better ofc
POE2 wont be as janky. POE1 was pretty mid.
"blasting whirlwind barb with a controller in D3 while taking calls at a call center"
legend
Blizzard makes game to milk money, GGG makes games for the love of it
A company is a company. You cant run a company without money. Even their currency stash tabs asks money for upgrade and they releases new currencies every league.
@@kendement071 still cheaper than full D4's price
I think PoE2 will be to the genre what Elden Ring was to Soulslike.
I haven’t seen anything new and groundbreaking but ok.
Elder ring is trash
@@LymeGreen04u do know now anything u say from this moment on means nothing to no one right? U may as well just type jifsruikbsstilnbfdyjkbfdwyi because it’s all meaningless from now on for the rest of your life.
@dcepshn because your favorite game looks like a muddy and washed out ps3 game with nothing but dodge simulator fights. I think your opinion is nothing but a meta. Crowd follower.
found the person that says "gross it's raw!" when they see a perfectly cooked steak
I'm sorry I've played Diablo 1-4 loved the series but 3-4 was missing so much to me I love Diablo 4 open world the new crafting system is a breath of fresh air but it shouldn't have taking them a full year after release to fix the loot system the part that really drives me crazy that one one talks about is the lackluster classes they are so lazy five classes that's so pathetic the Amazon paladin should have been in the game with so many others, and don't give me that shit Diablo always just have a couple of classes it's 2024 people, I watched POE 2 it's going to take a big shit on the franchise of Diablo as the New King of ARPG's after this.
Blizzard should be hugely embarrassed by what they did with diablo 4 compared to what possible in poe 2. its such a joke
I enjoyed D3 at launch, loved running with my Demon Hunter, And path of exile 1 launch was really fun. I'll blame d4's past issues with the previous owners of the Company, since they have been doing a good job. Looking forward to Season 5
im just happy we will get to play both games, and im glad they taking different paths in the ARPG Genre, my game rotation will be D4/Poe2 for a long time
D4 doesn't have to be PoE to be fun. It's ok that it's the "casual" ARPG. The issue is it lacks too much to be great. Just the itemization is so boring to me, even D2, a 2000 game has cooler items.
@@ThePepe969 it doesnt have to be PoE. but it should be a full game pretty soon. it released over a year ago.
lets be real D4 is a terrible joke of activision blizzard trying to milk the nostalgia cow
@@Foatizenknechtl idk about that, they're never going to drastically change their systems. I don't want D4 to be PoE either. What I want is the game to have cool items, fun builds, a good balance and an endgame with variety. The issue is, right now all they're doing is go into the powercreep route. Builds are so strong right now that the game becomes piss easy and you don't have to worry about anything.
Did they add a party finder to D4 yet? I'm still stunned this always-online game launched without a way to join players in the UI. It's a year later, I am really hoping they added it.
Also, the skill tree is dead simple and the difficulty in D4 is that of an idle game or childs game. You can completely shut off your brain and pick random stuff and still get to WT4 at level 50.
D4 in no way needs to be POE, but they need to make a cohesive game. Right now D4 just seems like rushed and disjointed systems that are dead simple or don't seem to mesh with any other system in a meaningful way.
I am happy many people are enjoying D4 now, but I would also like to enjoy it. And I have trouble enjoying games that feel so half-finished. Campaign was pretty cool though.
I was a big D4bad guy until season 4. After trying season 4 out i'm fairly positive about d4's future. The game is fun to play now and a lot more good changes coming in season 5. Still no endgame but ... i think more endgame will eventually come. So yeah i'll enjoy both game and be twice as happy.
Don’t sleep on the expansion either. People forget that diablo 2 was also very bland until LOD came out. I imagine the same thing will be true with D4.
Well yeah but now Bli$$ard is now demanding the DLC which feels like a day0 DLC since D4 took a year to not be bad after release
@@JimmyStruthers-lb3sn 60 dollar expansion for a boring game isnt a huge selling point tbh.
It's $39 right?
Good thing is other features will be free for the base game, just not new area features.
I'm not pre ordering though.
@@PrimalDirective so it's like 50 for the basegame and another 40 for the DLC which you will have to buy to keep playing seasons.
Remember, D4 was bad for a year an now that it's actually enjoyable they want you to spend another 40.
As a brand new ARPG player, coming off 10 years of League of Legends (i know FmL) D4 hooked me to the genre after blasting on release to level 80 i got burnt like most people did so decided to play LE and had a blast... then played PoE and that was it from a brand new player with no ties to past games PoE is just by far a superior game in every aspect except graphics but poe2 seems like itll get that on par
Of course a game that's over 10yrs old and has been refined over time is going to outshine 2 brand new games. How people expect games that have only been out for a year to have the content to match a game that's had years and years of content additions over time is ridiculous
@@Valverde713 so what do you say to the last epoch comparison? its a smaller indie team that does all their dev work remotely not in a studio.
@@MrJustin1m last epoch's not a bad game but it's end game is in the same boat as D4s
@Valverde713 yah but they've put out a road map and next cycle early next month comes with a new pinnacle boss. They're more imaginative and responsive to feedback
@@Valverde713 last epoch felt way better than D4. Only place d4 shines is the look and feel of the gameplay they did that great but they have so much money its a given for it to look and feel great. It's the core game that is the issue
Nice guy, i watch his content because i like poe2 news because poe2 and D4 are the 2 games i plan on playing the most week to week for a few years .
But he is hardcore a D rider fir GGG . His opinion on a vs means less than nothing to me . I just need his news updates .he won't ever be fair about D4 or D3
Last epoch is also not available on console.
Dont think it would matter to be honest. I love LE, but console players only make up like 20-30% pf playerbases on ARPG's (according to devs anyways)
Diablo 3 came out in 2012. PoE came out 2013. both devs spent the same amount of time working on their sequels and clearly one used that time to make the best game it possibly could, and that's PoE2. which is crazy cause i'd imagine Blizzard has more money than most other devs would, so clearly they should have the better game right? clearly there's a creative conflict or a lack of innovation at Blizzard. they play it too safe. where devs, like the ones working on PoE2, can push the envelope of what this genre can be and do and that hard work and passion shows
Big words there for a game thats not released yet. Even poe 1 had its bumps from the start and onwards especially the mass nerfs dilemma similar to d4s 1.1 nerf patch
@emmanuelactubjr7054 all I'm saying is 1 dev took 2 steps foward and the other went like D4 steps back. You'd think a 4th game would only get better in the series, but I just dislike how D4 is meta driven rather than player choice driven. What's d4, like 5 classes and gear depicts build. Idk. I beat it with druid and never drew me back to it
Also, PoE1 is better than D4 as far as building a character and giving the player creative freedom
@@canisinumbra Blizzard Bliizard. No difference. That's like saying God of War is different devs. Look how amazing those games turned out
People can enjoy both. Both games are valid. I just prefer one over the other ;)
Thanks for the react man!
Now if people would just let people enjoy both without judgement the world would be a more enjoyable place.
@@Kangaroo_NickYT tribalism ruins the community. One must promote the game they are rooting so that they feel validated on their choices even if its not yet released
I don't know homie, you've never had anything good to say about D4 and just shill the hell out of anything PoE, the bias is clear
When 1 ARPG succeeds and gives us good features all should succeed and be inspired. PoE while Rogers doesn’t want to admit to be influenced by anything from D4 couch co-op was 100% inspired by D4’s couch co-op success, new D4 infernal hordes is influenced by Last Epoch’s arenas. These are good things and no need to bash. All also have their own audiences and there is overlap. I personally can theory craft D4 and LE but as a dad with a full time job I have to use build guides for PoE. D4 got kicked in the teeth this past year and should be given some credit for cleaning up their house and revamping the game to be fun for players again. S4 was a massive rework in favor of the player base
@@sevalle well said. 100%
The difference is that Diablo 4 is a half ass game trying to make the most money from micro transactions and POE is just trying to make a good quality game from day 1.
Yeah every decision blizzard makes is for the share holders.
GGG only does it for themselves and the community
Your experience with D3 was my experience with D4 lol. I never understood the hate. I loved D4 since launch.
Me too brother, I came back after six months and the game is so much better than it was at launch, and I loved it at launch
Playing casually increases the enjoyment of the game.
@@Mister_Know_Name that’s with every game brother, very few games get more fun when you take them too seriously
@@marcustietjen6762the opposite of casual is not “serious”, try again 😂
Everyone here must love drinking Kool-aid
I love d2 and d3 and POE. I still can’t stand d4. I tried again. Can’t even force myself to make it to end game.
@@marting.9613 d3 is super easy and was redesigned multiple times but I atleast enjoyed it for what it was and played a few hardcore seasons. It’s definitely boring after a few days.
To me D4 is what D3 should of been. It would of been fantastic in the early 2010's. But it feels like they just built D4 in a vacuum and terrified of looking at any other arpg's for inspiration or concepts. They only had D3 and thats it.
That guy is so obsessed with POE2 that it become very annoying !
POE talent and gem skill system is just so good. POE always felt clunky compaired to Diablo. If POE2 addressed this, I think it's game over for Diablo. Diablo will remain profitable due to Blizzard legacy copium but POE will be so much better imo.
POE 2 Will win this hands down. Diablo 4 dropped the ball too hard and still can't keep me interested.
If D4 keeps on the path it’s been in recent times, it will go down as one of the best arpg’s of all time.
Diablo is a PoE gateway game.
Thats been Diablos role since D3. Blizzard for whatever reason thinks their fans are all morons who can't figure out anything past a skill twig or enjoy difficulty. Devs like GGG and fromsoft show this isn't true.
Unneccesary comparison... D4 is slowly getting better, I play it 2-3 weeks in between POE1 leagues, play it casually and braindead... thats POE 1... Once POE2 is in my hands, once its out.. D4 might not see me again and there's Last epoch.... POE2's gonna be up there unchallenged
D4 is a very basic, simple game that feels like a step backward from previous games. POE2 looks like a huge step forward. Personally, I think Last Epoch is a better game than D4, and it's not even close.
Dude, Diablo 4 nuked my friends GPU because it was coded so poorly. I highly doubt POE2 will be this bad. I don't have faith in Blizzard
Started D4 this week and I’m going through the campaign, almost level 50 already, and having a blast. I’m not even done with act 1 yet
having a blast from what? not becoming relatively stronger or the lack of useful spells and items to really make your own build?
Usually a gamer will blast the campaign in a few hrs or a day then hit 100 in 2 or 3 days then be fully geared 99% to completion then it’s pit and Ubers to get more useless gear for no reason no value to accumulate gold is not a currency and the game gets really boring in 5 days the PvP is so unbalanced there is literally nothing to do in open world the world bosses are stupid af and nothing matters then u think u got 2 months and 3 weeks to go of this and uninstall
@@Killswitch1986 No most people dont hit 100 in 2 to 3 days they dont play that much. I don't blast through the story, I like exploring the landscape, finding random caves, killing mobs etc. Feels much better for roleplaying and immersion then poe.
@@TroyKnights-cm9je cool story bro
PoE2 will be king not even close. D4 has so many problems after getting baited into season 4 again after running 3 characters to 100 and climbing the pit to tier 90ish i finally realized.... what am i doing theres no reason for any this d4 has no content at all its such a joke of a game
Big words there for a game that is not yet released
@@kendement071Not big words it's just the fact that if they release a game with any type of competency it will destroy D4 cause its just a bad game, it's beautiful and feels great but the game at its core is disrespectful to a player who wishes to grind and min max a character so the words are not that big given the context of what's being compared
It definitely won't destroy d4 but, if its as good as poe1 is for hardcore niche players then I'm happy for those players cause I get wanting to have complex systems in games and having more control of how your build feels.
The average person and developers. They all have different viewpoints and perspectives of seeing a game. It doesn’t matter which game you actually play as long as you enjoy the game that is the whole principal and perspective of any game within the gaming industry.. thank you for your viewpoint. I appreciate you televising and giving your perspective. Bye for now take care of your friends and family.
I keep repeating this for the past 6 months: the biggest difference is, in PoE 2 there is no open world, unlike D4.
I fear an endgame without an open world, because that makes me think will be the same as PoE 1, alone in my hideout opening maps.
Yes, I’m not the only one who thinks the same. I played Poe1 and it felt a bit lonely. Chilling in my hideout (it’s cool and all) but just constantly putting maps in the device and running it over and over got old real quick. I want to run around in the open world doing hell tides and other shit. I’m still excited for Poe2, but it’s missing a lot of things that D4 has. In an ideal world we would combine these games into 1 and have a perfect game.
@@NoobMasterSSS y bro, I also think that if PoE 2 had an open world identical to D4 it would be perfect. In that case I would never play D4 again. the graphics, the atmosphere, the music are far superior to D4, the only thing missing is an open world in my opinion. Maybe it would be a way to start exploring and including PvP in PoE 2, through PvP zones, like in D4.
the open world is one of the worst aspects of D4. the game would be much better without it.
@@Deminese2 people play 1 month and quit leagues because of how much boring the game is as a single player game. There is almost no interaction with the world or other players. Is that a fun online game for you? Opening maps alone and farming a million different materials to craft or trade, boring...
@@bernardosilva489 No people quit in 1 month because they did everything they wanted to do. Interaction with a world isn't going to extend my playtime in any arpg most people do not give a fuck about some random person helping them in a piss easy event. Also trading is player interaction I've made friends doing so, made stupid jokes, had them compliment my hideout, made deals etc. Also PoE has a group finding board D4 doesn't even facilitate a god damn group board so talking about player interaction is the last thing you want to act like D4 has.
Dm's bigger point about the disconnect between casual & hardcore in terms of gaming discourse is something I WISH more people on the internet would be aware of. It's so easy to take the bait & go down this rabbit hole of thinking that "everybody" has 1 opinion purely bc ppl are naturally wired to hyper fixate on spaces they agree with. But unlike us, Game Devs have complete access to 100% of the picture in terms of how their games perform.
& it's never going to ever be in their interest to ever openly speak to or about the casual player bases when said bases do not, will not, &/or never care to get on the internet to see what anyone thinks. They simply buy games. Play games. Enjoy or dislike games. & that's it. & a hard truth the entire internet refuses to believe is that the casual base ALWAYS outnumbers the hardcore. That goes triple when you start talking about mobile btw.
While he has some good points, he's definitely a GGG fanboy through and through.
well yah, its a better studio for ARPG's
@@MrJustin1m Is it though? The reason why they react so quick is because it's a "f2p" game. In which I mean that when the league isn't doing as well (which there have been a few where the players really didn't like the league theme) they instantly lose out on MTX transaction chances. Plus they're a small studio in comparison and changes don't require the amount of paperwork and internal approval.
In the end, their end goal is profits and income, they just get theirs a different way than others (through stash MTX and the numerous cosmetics). Their income is directly affected by playerbase engagement.
Better isn't the word you're looking for, smaller is the word to describe them. End goal for any game studio is the same, "profitability".
@@gearzdesign They have to put out a good product or they lose out on mtx sales, like you said. yah there will be leagues that dont resonate with 75% of the player base, but GGG has the passion to try new things and take chances. d4 team is too scared to take a swing at anything that the game is so bland and boring.
@@MrJustin1m I agree for the most part, like I said, GGG doesn't have the red tape and approval process of a larger corporation like blizzard. But at the same time, PoE is a niche product, barrier of entry is easy (as it's free) but the walls come up quick with things like stash limitations, organization etc (all handled by mtx) then the in-depth multiple systems that overwhelm most players (which is why most people who try PoE rarely get past act 1).
What I'm trying (badly) to say is that each has it's own merits and issues. And the video that DM is reacting to seems to (at least in *this* video as I didn't see the entire original video) glance over the faults of GGG as well.
@@gearzdesign oh for sure, poe1 and poe 2 are not and are not going to be perfect products for everyone ever. d4 is new player friendly but I know that the game wont have the same longevity that poe1 has had. It will most likely have the popularity of d3. hold for a few seasons and drop off once blizzard ravages the team for their next project. they are already going the reaper of souls route where they are pay walling customers from content WAY to early in the games life cycle IMO.
doesn't matter how good a class feels to play, if the monsters/bosses are boring trivial PoE and Last epoch will remain the better games
Diablo 3 kicked off with AH being focus, so unless you got the godly drop, breakout the wallet. Also, things hit way harder and was so difficult to make progress.
"I would like to pay much more money for far less game, please."
"Have we got the game for you." -Blizzard
Poe is going to be a better game simply due to having a small team with the same passion and focus that actually playtest their game. D4 has 100’s of developers that produce mediocrity and not innovation. 🤷♂️
@@canisinumbra sure it’s getting a little better after they crapped the bed but you still look at their track record and blizzard is a corporate giant there to satisfy investors at the end of the day. Behind Poe there’s a chef that takes pride in the quality of their product and they’re allowed to take risks and creativity because less oversight.
@@canisinumbra you’ll see when you play it. It’s going to be chefs kiss 👌
@@canisinumbra that’s Poe 1
Thousands of hours you say? Mmmmhh 🧐
@@canisinumbra I think that’s just a rule of thumb that people think someone needs to fully understand the depth of the game. Poe2 is going to remove that barrier that exists in poe1
Im a busy man so d4
PoE2 looks promising but D4 still is my goto game. Nothing beats nostalgia + casual friendly game as a working dad
A game that's not out yet compared to a game that's been out for a yr and is played out🤡🤡🤡🤡
DM,I find it extremely weird that you don't address that Diablo 4 has couch co-op. In the same breath you address how p o e 2 has great co-op but never mention Diablo IV's co-op what the heck?
Blizzard obviously didn’t pay him enough
The problem with comparing D4 with PoE 2 is that PoE 2 is not out yet and never judge a game that hasn't been fully released to the public. We don't know what problems will come with the launch of PoE 2. PoE 2 could be a completely different game and philosophy than D4 and PoE 1 that it could turn away some players. PoE 2 looks like a cool game visually and mechanically but how will it hold up in the endgame/long run? D4 in the meantime is getting a big buff with the expansion. PoE 1 wasn't exactly the best game when it first came out. It took at least 4 years for PoE 1 to be decent enough to maintain a stagnant player base. When PoE 2 was in development, it didn't have D4 in mind, PoE 2 wasn't trying to learn from D4. The developers at GGG had all their inspiration taken from Elden Ring so it could end up being a completely different genre than D4.
I play D4 and will play PoE2. Tribalism in poe community just turns me off.
People also forget D2 wasn’t that great on release either. It was until the expansion came out that the game really hit its groove and felt complete. I’d imagine the D4 expansion will be similar and it’s going to add tons of new stuff.
Oh the irony of arguing such standards while owning D4. Instead of waiting to see if the game was actually good people just dumped $70+ dollars into a hyper marketed under cooked uninspired double dipping cash grab and then had to basically wait a year for the game to be half decent and oh look just in time for the expansion to paywall all meaningful future updates.
But yeah lets not get ahead of ourselves with the free to play PoE2 that can only be financially successful by being good.
d4 is still hot garbage after "loot reborn"
D4 blows goats! Spend all my time junking boxes after boxes after boxes from my inventory, boring as shit. Just went back to poe and lived it, spending all my time tweeking a thousand things and actually feeling stronger.
Free is a huge deal, blizzard is a scam there is no contest here.
Hard agree with you on the point that blizz did listen to feedbacks but was too slow to implement the fixes. It took a while but d4 isn’t bad anymore, it’s d4 mid era already. Give them a bit ….ok give them a while and d4 good will be real.
I'll never understand these VS things, it's just clickbait. In the end diablo will always have the biggest playerbase and audiance where the more hardcore players are happy with POE so everyone wins right? Why does there have to be a VS?
It’s promoting tribalism. Toxic way to ruin the arpg community
Honestly this. I don't like poe personally but, I'm gonna give poe2 it's fair shot. I'm glad though that there's 2 different games that give people what they want especially the hardcore arpg players.
I believe a lot of it has to do with us OG player base of diablo 1-2 that was the diablo community when blizzard was a small company that just loved playing/making video games. Were just tossed away this other way can make more money. A lot of that OG community ended up in the POE community, so to a lot of us it was always a competitor.
One is FREE & charges your for cosmetics.
The other you pay FULL price upfront, _and_ charges you for cosmetics.
Lmfao you act like Diablo 4 is the first full priced release game ever to come out with purchasable cosmetics.. 😂
You're not forced to buy anything.
@@Kangaroo_NickYTno but dude has a point lmao your just upset that somebody has an opinion about your favorite game
@@NathanKlemick-i9scosmetics are fine. Paying for currency stash tabs alone is painful in PoE and each league releases new currencies
@@Kangaroo_NickYT nope he just comparing both of them with each other not with all games
Blizzard has a history of taking player feedback and ignoring them, particularly in the Activision era. Those of us who had alpha or beta access in WoW during that era can attest to that. So, Step 1 for Blizzard is to abandon the outward "F the players" mentality and actually listen to the critical feedback being sent. Whether you're a dev on D4, WoW, Hearthstone... even the mess that is Diablo Immortal, listen to the players when we tell you, en masse, that something doesn't feel right. We might not know exactly how to fix it, but scrapping a crappy system because it feels bad is far better than implementing it anyway.
That said, there's nothing there that says we have to choose one of these two to enjoy. I might love PoE2. By that time, I might feel a lot better about D4. Or, hell, I might be enjoying an entirely different game. There's really no way to know for sure right now.
I honestly think Diablo Immortal was mostly just something to hit the mobile/chinese market to make as much money as possible.
While GGG is a great developer there have also been numerous examples where they forced their vision on us regardless what player feedback was so tbh a bit lame to make a comparison
I like D4 and how they're trying to fix it. But PoE2 will absolutely wipe the floor with them, no doubt in my mind.
Wipe the floor? Bruh
yeah sure,on steam d4 has a 27k players,poe has 8k,now the funny thing is,poe is free,and 90% of people play d4 on the blizzard launcher not steam,this isnt even a competition lol
@@deenman23 Hit me up when Poe2 drops.
@@McLolzable what do you think will change when poe2 drops?they are ironicaly making the game more like d4
@@McLolzable People play D4 because its not a PoE. They won't go to PoE 2 and many will play both.
You also got to remember you are comparing a game that’s been out now for a while to a game that hasn’t even been released yet so obviously Diablo will have some out dated sort of things going on compared to a fresh new release game
After blizz turned into a predatory and greedy money vortex machine and most of the staff who made blizz "blizz" left the company, i stopped investing on them. I wont see myself going back again in the future.
When D3 launched I had probably logged something like 20k hours of D2 and I cried with how absolutely trainwreck horrible it was. Then I quit it within like a week and never went back.
here have a cookie
@@YourStylesGeneric321 Thank you, I needed it to wipe away my D3 tears. :P
this was me and then like D2R came out with a D3 in a pack on my switch. And you know what I enjoyed it crazy enough.
Idk I enjoyed D3 on release and I also played a lotttt of D2 lod. I remember beating the game on inferno on week 1 with my buddies. We killed Diablo on inferno as one of the first players and the secret was I had a monk-tank with attack speed so fast there were even no animations anymore and the mobs were perma stunned 😂 My other teammate was a support tank and we had two glass cannons. The mobs one shotted me tho if they got out of the stunlock. Fun times. D3 RoS was okay.
@@piotr3612 I can't remember if D3 minions got stronger when more people joined or not?
Iam a poe player, 5k houres etc. All good stuff. But calling GGG and Blizzard titans in the same sentence is just wrong. Poe or GGG are nowhere near titan level. Poe is a great game. Best arpg on the market. But its not a titan. People need to realize what words they use. Words matter.
I know the difference between the two.
Poe: spending most of my time tweeking my skills, gear, gems in a thousand ways to get stronger, enjoying the fight seeing how strong I get.
D4: never feeling strong as all mobs are the same lvl, spending all my time junking tiny boxes in my inventory, boxes and boxes after boxes.
There are other things I hate about D4 as well, like the mana mechanic but the gist of these two games is "What am I spending my time doing?" And D4 is straight boring and repetitive while poe is fresh and exciting.
The only thing D4 has going for it is the story campaign but that only last so long.
Everyone told them about the flasks, before anyone even played it. It’s pretty obvious to know when something just won’t work.
well talk again once poe2 actually comes out.
Current Blizzard don't deserve to hold the Diablo title. I hear all the time "if you don't like it, don't play it". "If you hate it so much then why are you here commenting about it, just go away" I'm here because i love the Diablo franchise, and Blizzard is turning it to shit.
You don't deserve to have the username KlabauterManiac. You are turning it into shit.
What? Are you thinking "who the hell is this "nobody" to tell me I don't deserve my own freaking name?" Well, now you know what Blizzard think about ppl like you. Diablo is their brand, and they are free to turn it into candycrush if so they wish.
So, if you don't like it, find another game.
You didn't get any of the D3 bad launch obviously because you didn't play on launch. The servers were straight up down for 2 days. I took off work with my best friend, and yea... that was it.
that guy on the Video is obviously a PoE Player and everything else is bad, he is Biased all over
well yeah if you've played poe and don't have the brain of a cucumber you know its better.
I'm sorry.
I love Diablo 4 but i think POE 2 will overwhelm it completely this year.
It has the perfect amount of skill customization and the style of how it does it.
Diablo 4 was supposed to be the Diablo 2 of new age. What happened to PVP cabinets that held all the ears your victims? Runewords? They totally screwed us.
"Success of Last Epoch's trading system"... Yeah.. that didn't happen lol.
I found that odd as well. Does anyone use the AH? Thought everyone just went for the prophecies or whatever they're called.
@@coachjones6705 the AH early on was definitely better for buying like 3LP common uniques even 4 LP. Thats really its main advantage otherwise no its not good but GGG isn't making the same AH all they're doing is copying having a taxed system for it
I was part of the Beta and definitely, in the minority that D4 released at the state wasn't good. I was optimistic and still bought it. I regretted it. I actually don't care about Endgame grind so I went into D4 looking for different build options. I didn't see many only to find out, just like in D3, items defined build variety. Stupid. I have to find items to make my wolves do something special.
I'd like to enjoy both but, I have a sense of 'what's the point?' I have tried 'Loot Reborn' season and my opinion hasn't changed. The expansion won't change my opinion. I'd Rather pay $40 to support GGG and that would be well worth compared to paying $110 for D4 and expansion.
I do like how this guy compares stuff most of the time, but the more he puts out the more he is just turning into a GGG fanboy.
I've grown to dislike talkative tri videos because in my opinion he kisses GGG ass way too much. POE is a great game, best ARPG I played by far, have over 5.5k hours, GGG is one of 3 companies I would preorder or support(over 1k euro overall spent), but the kissing this guy does is gross. Have a backbone and call things how they are, you are not helping any1 by cuddling and agreeing with 99% of their decisions. They are not perfect and we should help them with feedback as best as we can.
My biggest hype for PoE2 right now is i can actually trust the devs to do their job.
Diablo 4 has so, SO many broken parts that make the game just unfun. Glyphs, aspects, passive and stuff just not working OR they are "working" in a way that's just bad or broken. I got so sick of it. :D
Them adding new stuff is all fine and dandy but if things are broken for a YEAR and above - reporting bugs etc just feels useless.
I love Diablo and Diablo 4 is legitimately fun, but the way they release this game and the BS we have had to go through until this last patch where they finally make the game right is just typical Blizzard and bad. I will still play the game, because again, it's good now and I love Diablo, but I am seriously considering not buying the expansion. I am kind of starting to lean towards the POE model more and more and that is weird, but it kind of works for how I play ARPGs. I really want to play a game and if it is fun I will gladly support it with microtransactions. That is weird to say coming from someone who despises them in MMO's, but here it doesn't bother me.
I would just rather play a game and if it is good support, it vs. have to buy a game only to find out I was lied too, and the game is garbage and then be out $100. It's not even a $ thing, it's a principal thing. Excited to see how POE 2 is going to go, can't wait to play.
Ig Idea: blizzard should add the pot to summon bosses at the worldbosses, but u only can use the styiglan stones. For every stone the World Boss gets +100 Lvls. And for the loot pool should like ervery 100% 2.5-5% more chaance to drope uniques per itemdrop (dont know if thats to much asked for blizzards spaghettti code).That would be sick :)
Poe2 won't even be in D4's league if it doesn't break 3-4 million players peak . The industry cares about numbers period and if it doesn't do half as well as D4 peak then NOBODY in industry will give 2 craps about the players of it plain and simple .
Poe2 co-op looks exactly like d4 ps5 Co-op including the blood filter on low health and the active menus and paneling are also the exact same setup . Clear as day GGG looked to D4 and others for co-op setup .
judging by all sorc nerfs and barb remaining op.. i need PoE2 in my life 😂
Diablo 3 was a massive miss for me when it launched, I was a big fan of Diablo 2 (I played the hell out of D2 when I was in high school) but D3 was not a fun game for me, Path of Exile was the game that got me back into ARPG genre. I think Blizzard massively fumbled the bag with Diablo series - diablo 3 had bad progression and a bad skill system and D4 had bad items (too many garbage affixes) and bad boss fights.
Why the f do both games look so grey ? I understand the dark&grim vibe, but the entire vegetation has been wiped out ? Both games look depressing af with the color "palette". Now, i don`t expect to have the "secret pony level" of D3, but a couple more colors won`t hurt imo.
Or is it because it's been over recorded ? I mean i watch reaction to other games and none look this bland when it comes to colors. Even D2 had much more color than D4 and PoE1 is great colors wise.
Obviously I'll reserve final judgements for release but from everything GGG has released about POE2, POE2 looks like everything D4 was SUPPOSED to be. And if it is, im never looking back at blizzard
P.S.
Maybe they should have cut that marketing budget back and put the $ into actial development.
Do I ever feel validated when I played the open beta for D4 and said to my friends. I think D4 might be a game after 1-2 years. I dont like paying for things that promises to become a product later on. So i didnt buy D4 and seeing how things were changed and implemented. Blizzard is basically dead to me now. It is just too far from the company I loved from the warcraft 3/diablo 1/2 days.
Diablo 4 is, at its most basic fundamental levels, a bad game. The rpg aspect is essentially non existent. Collecting randomized loot drops does not make it an rpg. Blizzard is so incredibly inept that they removed nearly all real choice about your build and still can't balance anything to be between very easy and insta kill. The action part of the game is disgustingly bad. Using skills and abilities literally does nothing. They all feel the same and do the same thing, just different colors. It doesn't matter what buttons you push. You could mash one button or all of them and clear the entire game. All of the patches and balance passes that have been done, adjust how long it takes the average unconscious player to make it through the battlepass with their forehead on the keyboard. The game exists to sell skins and battle passes and provide bland uninspired irrelevant flashes of light an 1/8th of a teaspoon at a time, so that you keep playing and they can keep spamming the store page at you. Nobody who has any amount of critical thinning skills is excited for diablo 4. There is zero evidence that anybody making this game wants it to be fun for players as a priority. Literally every concrete action that has been taken (if you believe words over actions, you will be abused by the first predatory person you meet) has proven over and over and over and over that they don't care about how fun the game is except as a metric to increase play time and therefore increase in game shopping time.
Only thing i know is that D4 didn't start well, took a lot of time to start getting fixed and even last changes didn't make the game enjoyable to me. Like, at all - was bored of s4 after 3 days. I just think the things i want in an ARPG right now are not in D4 and i'm not even part of their target audience. Doesn't really matter how much i enjoyed D2 and played D3 a lot despite all its issues.
Well, fortunately it's 2024 and we have options.
Dude you can't be serious about the Diablo III launch. Everyone got smacked at Inferno Act II and got filtered into the real money auction house. Gear drops were awful and if you did get something usable it was for a different class so you'd have to go sell it on the RMAH. WW barb was cheap to get going because it was an OP build in comparison to everything else.
Last epoch is a great game on a really bad foundation. The game sound is terrible, the performance is also really bad.
If the game was made on a better core foundation. The game would have much more success.
I even bought a high end pc to play the game. That was a waste of money. I have played it on 3 different pc's, and all 3 attempts was a terrible experience.
I really wanted the game to succeed. I wrote several times to the developers, since they started making the game, and told them something is wrong in the way they make it.
No matter how many performance updates they made, it did not help. I honestly asked them if it wasn't an idea to start over the making of the game.
But that did not happen. So we got a medium quality game, which could have been much much more.
Diablo 4 barbar was incredibly boring to play, and I'm super bored with druid, and I didn't play a lot, only lvl 92
Gave it another fair chance in season 4. But rogue made me feel asleep at level 35 already. Deinstalled and started a new character in PoE SSF again. Diablo has too many issues in their roots to become a good ARPG
@@m.h.4907 Yes and you can't trust these influencers they are just money-making machines, but yeah it seems pretty flawed as a game at the core
Let's face it, Diablo 4 intentionally takes so long to do even the smallest things in order to give a false sense of improvement on game quility so the people keep coming back and staying.
this is a regular thing software and hardware developers do to sell the updated version of same product. in this case, since it's a live service game, they do it to keep their player and create hype.
Think about it like this, if D4 was released in its current state everyone would've said it's a great game right off the bat but it still wouldn't have enough to keep players playing for an entire year. but improving it little by little keeps bringing people back because we want to love the game and they give us enough to keep us on the hook. let's face it their new contents are meh at best and what actually drives players to come back is the quality of life changes and redesigning systems. S4 basically has very little new content, but it got the most player retention of any other season because of changes in gear system and quality of life. basically making the game little better.
You can't convince me the biggest ARPG company in the world can't make changes to their game as fast as GGG does.
Loot reborn is still trash though. So they take the feedback when the numbers went down, but still failed to do it properly. And by the way... why did there even had to be a need for loot reborn to exist? The same happened to D3 with loot 2.0. Did they not learn anything? It seams not. How can you trust these guys, when they can't learn from their own past mistakes?
I’m not exited to pay another $70 in an expansion for a game that they still fixing, this is why I haven’t played D4 in about 6 months and will mot go back for the expansion. I prefer to wait for PoE2 and buy one of theirs $70 packs.
I mean, Grim Dawn has easy switch between mouse and keyboard AND lets you ROTATE THE CAMERA. lol D4 does the switch thing too. Weird point. GGG was behind if htey have to listen to feedback to do that same thing.
He’s right about blizzard not changing things unless player count drops tho, if they were worried about it, they have more money so there’s really no excuse for it, they should be as responsive to feedback as GGG, Diablo 4 would be in a god tier level of they did, more endgame activities, 2 bosses with mechanics as good as Lilith’s or POE bosses per season, fixes in RNG of tempering and Masterwork, a loot filter, and more stash tabs at least double or triple, class balance so that people can play what they want and beat all the content including the hardest content, and again more endgame activities, and more mob diversity, imo
Poe is free bruh what lol
@@canisinumbra I put over 300 hours into POE and did almost all end-game content without spending a penny on POE. The only content I didnt do was because I didnt enjoy it and chose to focus on other things. Then I spent 60$ and now have well over a thousand hours in POE. Where D4 would of been 90$ if I were to buy it.
Edit: Also any cosmetic/stash tab you bought in POE will be transferred to POE2.
im stoked for hellgate london 2 AKA hellgate redemption that game is going to just rip diablos d**k of & eat it👹 again your probably to young but HGL1 was the OG looter shooter made by X D1&D2 devs. its going to be made in unreal5 so next gen everything🤯 be scared D4
Thats só much copium. You mention em taking the feedback, but that was once It was launched. They had a huge ass team the money... they had the capabilities to change things If they didnt sucks ass.
Heck they have a huge history of not hearing feedback from other games especially wow. They do not deserve any benefit of the doubt
d3 launch was bad, but it was another era. first ever online-only mmo, they had server problems for the first 5 days then it was okay. d3 had problems in endgame because everybody just bought items in auction house for 500$
RoS fixed that
I enjoy all Diablo games, PoE, LE, etc and looking forward to PoE2…I’m just an ARPG Fan and I love it when all succeed. I even love the season model cause it affords me the time and opportunity to play them all
blizzard made a massive mistake! wow yeh they made a truck tonne of cash, more than POE and POE2 combined will probably ever make. What was their mistake again? Considering what THEIR goals are? Lmao
The most obvious issue with blizzard is that they need the community to tell them the most obvious shit. It's clear that blizzard has no idea what they're doing as far as creating a fun experience goes. Great at creating cinematics. Great at creating fluid gameplay. Good at graphics. But the rest is just utter trash.
one of the best parts about last epoch right now, you can use both imputes of mouse/keyboard and controller simultaneously with out fucking with the settings at all. the only time you need mouse an keyboard, is like skill tree stuff, inventory, way points for fast travel, itemfilter , other then that, controller for everything else combat related, even so much that last epoch is the only game that does ground target skills best on controller. no other game does this at all right now on the market, path of exile is working on it though.
I could never get into PoE and basically stopped playing Diablo with D2. I love Grim Dawn and Last Epoch. But I got D4 for free ... it's painfully mediocre. lol PoE 2 looks interesting to me.
Loosing interest into this type of game, too many gears tuning/organization, skill tree's/paragon boards/changing stats/temper/masterwork/calculate everything ect geez i spend more time in town then i actually play the damn game...
Open world what's the point? To fing actually see other players outside of towns! I don't group or guild. But it's still cool to see other people out in the open world and sometimes they invite you to group at world bosses etc. I'll sometimes join then just go your own way after. And then just having to load a little area in other games. Open world is just cooler and think more of these games should do it too. I was playing Last Epoch for awhile but yes I really missed the open world of Diablo 4
D4 has become good enough that I'll play it instead of POE, just hope POE2 allows easier ways to change skill points on skill tree than POE, and allows some form of skipping campaign on alts.