I love the nuanced comparison here. As an RS 6 owner, I prioritized a comfortable and luxurious daily, that can actually be fun on a weekend drive. The M3 is definitely more dynamic, but you lose some of the refinement and luxury kit. Both amazing cars no matter how you slice it.
@@Chris-yg3nj Having spent time in both modern high-end BMWs and modern high-end Audis, I'd say they were equal, or perhaps slight edge to Audi in terms of interior quality. But I'm talking like 8 series, 7 series vs A6/A8. Can't really speak to SUVs or the smaller sedans.
@@johnguidetti5839 Pano moonroof. Massaging seats. More surfaces covered in leather. Higher end audio systems. Rear wheel steering. Air suspension. True 4 zone climate control. Some little things too... Soft close doors... Puddle projectors on all 4x doors... Etc If you're comparing M5 to RS 6, then yes, all the same toys/features are there, pretty much? But the M3/M4 is a class down. The RS 6 has a 50K USD/EUR higher MSRP after all.
Yep. Another C8 RS6 owner here. I love the car to bits and it’s a V8! Need I say more? As Joe says - you feel all of the power all of the time. I do like the M3 touring. In fact when I get a ‘weekend car’ and swap my daily I’ll probably get a 340d; but the RS6 is just so much more refined. Although it should be - it’s another price point and not really comparable. A new rs6 performance vorsprung will set you back £130k 😅
At this point I've not only gotten used to the new M3 grill, it actually became my one of favorite looks for a BMW. So I would definitely take the M3 touring over the RS6 even though that car looks incredible as well.
I think it looks better on the full-fat M cars than all the others, but still not my favourite. I think I’d agree with you that I’d take the M3 touring, though. More of a drivers’ car.
A6 grill is bigger it’s just arguably distributed better. I’m a BMW fan so it would be the M3 for me. I currently drive a G21 320d and it’s some much more engaging than my A4 Avant (again a diesel) especially in terms of involvement.
@@fredc9655 The problem isn't with the size of grill I don't think. I think it's that we're used to smaller grills from BMW so these bigger look out of place at least for now. With time people will get used to these everything will be fine.
Hey Joe love your vids, a word of advice for your thumbnails. Whenever you do Touring reviews try use the rear angle of the car,It's the most distinct part of the car and gets me more excited. With quick scrolling it looks like a regular g82 from the front
The fact that the M3 Touring is even being compared to an RS6 shows just how great the M3 is. It should be RS4 competition but it literally blows it away.
I love the Jekyll & Hyde nature of the RS6. Dare I say, it's the classier car and not so overtly shouty all the time. Above everything though the sheer presence of the RS6 is unmatched by almost anything on the road.
This is exactly the choice I'm having to make right now, having 3 kids, it's looking like the boot space and towbar for the bike rack is going to make it the RS6 for me..... oh and them looks 😍
Great video as always Joe. I've owned multiple M3 / M4s but I will never forgive BMW M for the G80/82 series wheel arch gaps (OMG the front gap!)! Yes, everything else is magical but the thought of buying brand new and having to change springs / fit spacers and an aftermarket exhaust is just a no-go for me. Moving from my M4CS last year I so wanted to get into a G82 M4 but in the end, I just couldn't cope, so off the back of one of your other vids, I opted for an R8 V10+ lol. Yes completely impractical but damn I'm having some fun. Keep up the great content, u stand head and shoulders above the competition on youtube, that's the agreement from all my fellow car nuts :)
MAJOR SHOUT-OUT: AUDI CONTINUE TO WORK WITH JOE TO PRODUCE MORE GREAT CONTENT. Very informative and well shot and edited video Joe. Keep at it. Love your m3 touring Joe. Specced perfectly.
Can I throw in an alternative and pick a fully specced M340i Touring and keep the change? I think the front end looks better than the M3, you can have a panoramic sunroof and it has all the performance I'd ever need :)
His car reviews are just better than everyone else’s! Real world stuff for real people. This is more watchable than some other supercar/HyperCar overproduced stuff flooding RUclips. Keep up the good work 👍
Fantastic comparison review. This is why this channel is so excellent, simply great content. Top work, Joe. The RS6 is an excellent car, but when it comes to driving the M3 is just something else.
Its interesting to see the RS6 and M3T front-ends next to each other.. As much as the M3 grille has had a lot of criticism, almost the entire front end of the RS6 is a grille!
It never ceases to amaze me how the German big “3” luxury brands manage to get away with charging bonkers money for “Carbon” options, when in reality in a 1800kg+ vehicle, with passengers and some luggage, the weight saving does Jack to the performance
I’ve never driven an Audi that’s anywhere near as good to drive as the equivalent bmw. Im just not an Audi guy. I’ve had 3 BMWs in my time but I have to say that the design direction bmw is going both inside and out means that I’d actually choose the Audi. Your car is epic and I’ve no doubt it will be superb to drive but I just can’t get past those looks. In fairness, if someone gifted me either car, I’d happily drive both.
Drive an s or rs car then. Better handling than its bmw equivalents. Bmw was never better than audi because they are a cheap car. Bad engines bad suspension design and mediocre chassis. Audi uses multilink which is the best suspension whilst bmw always uses struts in everything. A Fiat punto uses struts. Because they are the cheapest but also worst. I'm guessing you're American so the typical person who doesn't know anything about the car.
@ no I’m British and I’ve done the nc500 in a stage 1 tuned Audi S4 Avant. Audis tend to put heavy engines directly over the front wheels so even the all wheel drive versions tend to understeer badly. The S4 was very quick but nowhere near as dynamic as my 540i xDrive or current 340i.
@andrewyoung5126 oh british even worse 😂. And no audi doesn't. The v6 that's in the s4 and other models sit on the axle. If you want it to handle more dynamically you need more negative camber on the front and rear. Bmw come with more stock and they can't handle better because of the inferior suspension and awd system. Audis have better lap times and cornering speeds. Bmw is the brand for less intelligent people who know Jack shit about cars. Bmw has no excuse to use struts in their cars that cost even over 100k euros. They are cheap and they know it. They know they have a cult following and low traction rwd making them feel dynamic. I've driven most m models on the nurburgring and many other cars and bmw is a joke. Compare a m3 cs to a giulia quadrofolio for example. The giulia 8 years ago was made and has dual wishbones on the front and multilink on the rear. It hit 7:32 on the ring 8 years ago whilst the m3 cs costing almost twice the amount and only recently it hit 7:29 on the ring and it had alot more power and way better tires. It also had awd which is better for the ring for a sedan. There's a lap time battle between a rs5 sportback comp and a m3 comp xdrive. The rs5 won by 7 seconds on a short track. I can link you the video but I don't think you understand german. Anyway bmw makes money from people like you. Clueless.
@@andrewyoung5126 also bmw cheat on their ring lap times they overboost thier engines like for example the m2 g87 lap time test car had 506hp when it shouldve had 450-460hp. The audi rs3 best it by 5 seconds on the ring with 100hp less and 2 more doors.
I think the White Horse that is passing in front of the two cars also looking Good with a very nice Grill and Boot is spacey, it is very comfortable ❤️ just look at the driver🔥 from not to 60km/h in just 2.88s, same as the M5 CS 🙌🏽,. Thanks Joe what a Fantastic Video with a lovely Comments 🌶️🔥
Or an M5 for under £60k. Or an M5 LCI for under £75k. Personally I wouldn’t swap my F90 for either now although all are AMAZING cars and I’d be delighted driving any of them.
Great twin test and a realistic comparison of what (the very lucky), £90k estate owner would be looking at! Can’t wait to see the new M5 Touring hybrid - if it makes it…
I've been waiting for this video! I own an RS6 and have owned multiple sporty BMW wagons in the past, and I totally agree with Joe that they're quite different cars. The BMW driving dynamics and seating position are more enthusiast oriented, while the RS6 with the V8, air suspension, and killer B&O stereo is an incredible GT. Pick what suits your lifestyle. Great work as always, Joe, and congrats on the new car.
Another great video Joe. Your content just gets better and better. Wasn’t sure why you were pitching these two in the thumbnail but after watching I see why. The Audi seems to bog down on initial take off on the 0-60’s. But boy does it sound good. If the BMW sounded like that…….❤
Joe your reviews are always very unbiased. A lot of the time Audi's get written off bc they're not the most dynamic cars, but that's the whole point of the brand. It's not the most dynamic but in turn it offers better daily drivability. If you only care about driving dynamics go BMW (not say they can't be daily driven). If all cars were trying to be the most dynamic driving the market would actually be so boring since the cars would all drive the same, so I can see why there is no clear winner in this comparison. Its more on what your values are, for me I don't mind trading off some driving dynamics for daily drivability that's why I usually go with Audi's but I can definitely see myself in a BMW in the near future too.
Like this comparison 🥳 M3 looks amazing ❤ … with front end of the M3 and M4, with the M3’s pumped up rear arches but with elegant estate roofline…there really is just something super cool about a fast estate car 🥳🥳🥳
Both cars are amazing, for me i would lean slightly towards the BMW for the new design but also the balance.. with the engine behind the front wheels on the *M3* it should handle slighty better but this is just my opinion as both cars are great. Would also be nice to compare the RS6 to the M5 touring 👍🏻
I had my F10 M5 in the dealer for service last week and the showroom had an M3 and M4 on display. Like many I find the front grill a bit OTT but walking around it I found the styling a bit fussy (might be an age thing). For me it would be the V8 over the 6, the RS6 looks over the M3, RS interior over the M and if using as my daily, which is what my M5 is used for, things like interior space, especially for rear seat passengers is really important. Now an M5 touring, that would be a different matter.
Great comparison, I have always preferred BMW over Audi because of the more dynamic front end. Even my E90 turns in and feels like it has a better front end then an A4 I had a while ago.
Reiterating other comments , fab review and comparison between the two.. 🤔One of each please, RS6 for the family and dog , The M3 for the golf clubs and boys trip 😊
As an owner of both a B9 RS5 and a G82 M4, I'd probably pick up the RS6 over the M3 Touring (not available in my country). If the driving characteristics between the RS6 and RS5 are similar, then its easy to drive passive personality lends itself better to the station wagon/estate body style. I love my M4, but its a bit twitchy... it demands you pay attention even when you are just commuting in traffic to and from work.
You need to get the geo adjusted on the G82, they're so nervous out of the box as have (literally) zero toe. Will completely transform the car at normal speeds 👌
Another great comparison video Joe 👏🏻. M3 every time for me. If you can get hold of them, would be great to see M3 Touring vs B3 Touring, and M3 Touring vs Panamera Turbo Sport Turismo (£100k second-hand). There may well be a M5 Touring too, so that will cater for those that need the extra space.
@@JoeAchilles1 the Andreas Bovensiepen interview on TST sounds pretty positive; the BMW board likes the heritage of Alpina, plus there are about 30 Alpina engineers still working at BMW. My guess is they’ll still keep using specific Alpina dampers, wheels, brakes, extra cooling, and tuned engines - until it all goes electric in 2035.
Fantastic review Joe. No panoramic roof option in the M3 is such as shame. The M340i Touring in your previous vids looks sooo good with it. Could you live without one?
As much as I love my g21 m340, I would have to go with RS6 on this one. Can't simply stand the OS8 interior in the LCI model. This really looks like the AliExpress version of OS7.
M3 touring all the way for me, getting used to the grille now and for me the estate is best looking of the 3/4 series M by a long shot. Finally BMW makes a load lugging performance car that's not a boring SUV.
Carwow measured the weight of RS6 a month ago with fuel tank at almost 40% and the car had weight of 2199 kg, which is honestly stupid heavy. Add couple of people and fill up the tank and you are almost at 2,5 tonnes.
All the better when you crash into some pedestrians, there is no chance any of them will survive. Or when you have a crash with a Tesla or equivalent electric car, all of which weigh vast amounts.
What a great video, and putting the M3 up against the RS 6 instead of the 4 was inspired! On the subject of pan roofs, the wife has one in her Disco Sport and we hardly ever have it "open". I know people want them but I've never seen the appeal... 🤷
I like the Concept of comparing different sized cars, I would be interested in a comparison of the bmw 3 and 5 series to see if comfort or handling wins
The huge rivalry between them makes Mercedes, Audi and BMW build such great cars. As a BMW driver, I love the smile that all BMWs, from the 1 series to the 7 series can put on your face. The sound of the Audi RS6 is the reference for me, like a huge army of Huns with war drums announcing their arrival. Both great cars the RS6 from the side is the most beautiful estate car you could wish for. However, the rear of the M3 is even a touch nicer than the Audi. As for practicality, I myself am not a fan of big cars. For transports I rent a van, and with a car I just want to be able to park easily anywhere too, I like agile cars. My situation: I am on the road alone or together with my wife 99% of the time. These two cars are two delicious monsters, I choose the more compact BMW thats suits my situation the best. Not a capitel overhere, I suppose the maintenance costs as well as the fuel consumption is a bit better with the BMW, as far as people concern ofcourse that have 90k to spend on a car.
Great video. The RS6 is the most beatiful estate there is. Sad that all other Audis are a fax paper sales man car. (TT excluded. That’s a hairdresser’s car)
Neither has enough power or weigh enough, could well blow away in gusty conditions. Will wait for next generation personally, should be over 2 tons by then and closing in on 1000hp, oh and hopefully big enough so there's no unsightly unused space left between those lines of the roads/parking bays etc.
Im surprised you dont like the M steering wheel as much. I have the same sheel in my x3 and i think its the best steering wheel on the entire market right now. Bmw has allways had the best steering wheels. I dont really have big hands lol but i really like how thick the wheel is. The thickness literally makes it better in my opinion.
@@bapr3887 not really, they owned by VAG but not the same steering wheels as Porsche. Porsche is another level than Audi. I dont like the steering wheels on audis. But its just my opinion.
So even though I havent watched this as I type - I know this is exactly the video I want to watch for a quality comparison! So Now I have watched it - Quality as usual Joe! I do love an RS6 and today I had a RSQ8 (not my cup of tea) motor past me in my F82CP and it was obviously tuned with a quality exhaust as it sounded epic. So I agree with all your points on the RS6 especially since I havent so far had a V8 in my stable. But then I see just how much you are enjoying the G81 and it must be an absolute riot - looking forward to seeing what you do with yours going forward (obviously you have all your other kit to go on), and I am very sure I will be in one of these in the future when they start appearing on the second hand market. Cheers for the quality content Joe - Awesome!
As a BMW owner for many years and fan. M3 is superb if it wasn’t for the front grille. Which does look better in real life than photos and more so in darker colours - black front grill - darker paint colours. Black paint is the best colour to blend into the grille. This and I have tried so hard - I really do not like and on a car costing 80k plus - an M car SHOULD be WOW …really want one. Whomever designed that grille and moreover those who allowed it to production as a finalised design - I really do shake my head in disappointment. On the looks the Audi wins hands down.
Ughhhh such a hard choices... Rs6 better looking from outside, interior and multimedia i prefer M3 ( except how they install this LCDs.... ). Engine... with all the love to B58/S58 I think this Audi V8 is beast and have massive potential. Handling M3, everyday usage hard to say from one side smaller car - M3 from other bigger comfort on RS6..... Personally I went from Audi A6 C7 to BMW 3 but I think in this situation I will go for RS6 C8.
I sell my 911 Carrera T and will me taking one of these. I’ve watched hours of comparisons and still can not make a decision but as that will be my weekend car to take my kids to cinema and hit the mountain passes alone to enjoy myself I think will pick m3. Bit smaller but still practical…
The Rs6 is mighty! It looks like an elephant compared to the m3. They are so different in character and luxury, yet delivering supercarish‘ performance. I bought an m3 for the size and dynamics but like the rs6s looks more. For me the m3s biggest advantage is the switchable 4wd.
Joe you tested the RS4 Avant 0-60 3.3 against the M3 Competition 0-60 3.1. And a .2 difference in quarter mile times from a car thats 6 years old. How are they dynamically in different leagues? Also 0:58 RS4/RS5 massage seats get zero praise? The car in general is way more comfortable as a daily
Acceleration times are very different to driving dynamics,a slow car can have excellent driving dynamics. The handling and chassis composure on the G81 has moved the game on a long long way compared to the B9.
You turn off the Audi bonging on a C7 so probably the same on a C8 by pressing the steering wheel left hand controls left and right buttons or the press the scroll wheel.
In 2017 I had straight option of a 335d msport tourer or a m340i tourer. The Same price. It was hard to justify the petrol against the diesel. The only plus was sound. Performance was similar, but torque, mpg was far superior in the diesel. So I couldn’t see the point of the petrol.
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I love the nuanced comparison here. As an RS 6 owner, I prioritized a comfortable and luxurious daily, that can actually be fun on a weekend drive. The M3 is definitely more dynamic, but you lose some of the refinement and luxury kit. Both amazing cars no matter how you slice it.
Audi definitely rides with more comfort however the BMW interiors are objectively of better quality and standard.
What luxury kit do you lose on a M3 over RS6?
@@Chris-yg3nj Having spent time in both modern high-end BMWs and modern high-end Audis, I'd say they were equal, or perhaps slight edge to Audi in terms of interior quality. But I'm talking like 8 series, 7 series vs A6/A8. Can't really speak to SUVs or the smaller sedans.
@@johnguidetti5839 Pano moonroof. Massaging seats. More surfaces covered in leather. Higher end audio systems. Rear wheel steering. Air suspension. True 4 zone climate control. Some little things too... Soft close doors... Puddle projectors on all 4x doors... Etc
If you're comparing M5 to RS 6, then yes, all the same toys/features are there, pretty much? But the M3/M4 is a class down. The RS 6 has a 50K USD/EUR higher MSRP after all.
Yep. Another C8 RS6 owner here. I love the car to bits and it’s a V8! Need I say more? As Joe says - you feel all of the power all of the time.
I do like the M3 touring. In fact when I get a ‘weekend car’ and swap my daily I’ll probably get a 340d; but the RS6 is just so much more refined. Although it should be - it’s another price point and not really comparable.
A new rs6 performance vorsprung will set you back £130k 😅
At this point I've not only gotten used to the new M3 grill, it actually became my one of favorite looks for a BMW. So I would definitely take the M3 touring over the RS6 even though that car looks incredible as well.
People are complaining those huge BMW intake grills and not to look at that in fact other brands all have even bigger grills than Bimmers.
I think it looks better on the full-fat M cars than all the others, but still not my favourite. I think I’d agree with you that I’d take the M3 touring, though. More of a drivers’ car.
Specsavers mate 😅
A6 grill is bigger it’s just arguably distributed better. I’m a BMW fan so it would be the M3 for me. I currently drive a G21 320d and it’s some much more engaging than my A4 Avant (again a diesel) especially in terms of involvement.
@@fredc9655 The problem isn't with the size of grill I don't think. I think it's that we're used to smaller grills from BMW so these bigger look out of place at least for now. With time people will get used to these everything will be fine.
RS6 is an absolute tank. It's a rare sight but you can see it coming from a mile away because it's so wide. That exhaust is unreal
RS6!!! No doubt about it. Wayyyyyyyy better looking
Hey Joe love your vids, a word of advice for your thumbnails. Whenever you do Touring reviews try use the rear angle of the car,It's the most distinct part of the car and gets me more excited. With quick scrolling it looks like a regular g82 from the front
A good example is how your f80 m3 Touring thumbnail was
Great advice and very good point! I will find a rear facing one 👌
You're an autosexual? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The fact that the M3 Touring is even being compared to an RS6 shows just how great the M3 is. It should be RS4 competition but it literally blows it away.
Youd like to think so for a 35 40 grand price hike over the 4 😂
To a used rs6 not a new one. The rs4 beats the m3 in everything apart from drag race. Rs6 is a whole other class of sport and luxury.
I love the Jekyll & Hyde nature of the RS6. Dare I say, it's the classier car and not so overtly shouty all the time. Above everything though the sheer presence of the RS6 is unmatched by almost anything on the road.
This is exactly the choice I'm having to make right now, having 3 kids, it's looking like the boot space and towbar for the bike rack is going to make it the RS6 for me..... oh and them looks 😍
The shot with the police officer on the horse is amazing!🔥👌🏾
Great video as always Joe. I've owned multiple M3 / M4s but I will never forgive BMW M for the G80/82 series wheel arch gaps (OMG the front gap!)! Yes, everything else is magical but the thought of buying brand new and having to change springs / fit spacers and an aftermarket exhaust is just a no-go for me. Moving from my M4CS last year I so wanted to get into a G82 M4 but in the end, I just couldn't cope, so off the back of one of your other vids, I opted for an R8 V10+ lol. Yes completely impractical but damn I'm having some fun. Keep up the great content, u stand head and shoulders above the competition on youtube, that's the agreement from all my fellow car nuts :)
Wtf bro talking like ur just switching shirts but with super cars 😭
I love BMW's but I will always choose the Audi RS6 Avant over any Wagon, hands down the most complete car both in looks and dynamics.
MAJOR SHOUT-OUT: AUDI CONTINUE TO WORK WITH JOE TO PRODUCE MORE GREAT CONTENT. Very informative and well shot and edited video Joe. Keep at it. Love your m3 touring Joe. Specced perfectly.
Can I throw in an alternative and pick a fully specced M340i Touring and keep the change? I think the front end looks better than the M3, you can have a panoramic sunroof and it has all the performance I'd ever need :)
I agree too. Can't really even use most of the 340i's performance on the road . Get a proper car for the track with the change. Or a weekend fun car.
Good shout. Or wait until the G80 depreciates even more - you can already buy a G80 saloon for £58k second-hand.
Yep shame you can’t spec the new M3 with a panoramic roof??🤔
I went for the Alpina D3S, normal front end and pan roof, also more exclusive than the M3 Touring.
@@richarddocherty5007 that's a very nice one. After all one is driving these things on the road.
His car reviews are just better than everyone else’s! Real world stuff for real people. This is more watchable than some other supercar/HyperCar overproduced stuff flooding RUclips. Keep up the good work 👍
Brilliant comparison. For me, it’d be the used RS6. They look mega and are just so cool!
Do you buy a car only on looks 🤔 or it’s handling, braking , gearbox , stability etc how it performs etc
@@timeservices697 has to be the full package
@@timeservices697 or looks, engine note, pan roof, comfort, Towbar, bigger boot, bigger interior space.
Great video review of both cars. My wife and I were highly leaning toward the RS6 Avant, and you have pretty much sealed the deal for us, thank you.
In Canada, we have just one option, so i'll go with the RS6 but if it was available I would definitely do the M3.
Fantastic comparison review. This is why this channel is so excellent, simply great content. Top work, Joe.
The RS6 is an excellent car, but when it comes to driving the M3 is just something else.
Thank you, I've been putting in a lot of effort this year, comments like this make it worthwhile 🙏
Its interesting to see the RS6 and M3T front-ends next to each other.. As much as the M3 grille has had a lot of criticism, almost the entire front end of the RS6 is a grille!
Yes, but not crossed with a bunny!
RS6 front looks wins, but M3 looks better at the rear. RS6 has that stupid shelf diffuser and overly fussy taillights. Great video as always Joe!
Great comparison Joe! Excited to see the G81 dude!
I prefer the rs6. 2 cars in one. Luxury estate for family/daily driver and super car for weekends and summer evenings. Also, a v8. And looks gorgeous.
It never ceases to amaze me how the German big “3” luxury brands manage to get away with charging bonkers money for “Carbon” options, when in reality in a 1800kg+ vehicle, with passengers and some luggage, the weight saving does Jack to the performance
I’ve never driven an Audi that’s anywhere near as good to drive as the equivalent bmw. Im just not an Audi guy. I’ve had 3 BMWs in my time but I have to say that the design direction bmw is going both inside and out means that I’d actually choose the Audi. Your car is epic and I’ve no doubt it will be superb to drive but I just can’t get past those looks.
In fairness, if someone gifted me either car, I’d happily drive both.
Drive an s or rs car then. Better handling than its bmw equivalents. Bmw was never better than audi because they are a cheap car. Bad engines bad suspension design and mediocre chassis. Audi uses multilink which is the best suspension whilst bmw always uses struts in everything. A Fiat punto uses struts. Because they are the cheapest but also worst. I'm guessing you're American so the typical person who doesn't know anything about the car.
@ no I’m British and I’ve done the nc500 in a stage 1 tuned Audi S4 Avant. Audis tend to put heavy engines directly over the front wheels so even the all wheel drive versions tend to understeer badly. The S4 was very quick but nowhere near as dynamic as my 540i xDrive or current 340i.
@andrewyoung5126 oh british even worse 😂. And no audi doesn't. The v6 that's in the s4 and other models sit on the axle. If you want it to handle more dynamically you need more negative camber on the front and rear. Bmw come with more stock and they can't handle better because of the inferior suspension and awd system. Audis have better lap times and cornering speeds. Bmw is the brand for less intelligent people who know Jack shit about cars. Bmw has no excuse to use struts in their cars that cost even over 100k euros. They are cheap and they know it. They know they have a cult following and low traction rwd making them feel dynamic. I've driven most m models on the nurburgring and many other cars and bmw is a joke. Compare a m3 cs to a giulia quadrofolio for example. The giulia 8 years ago was made and has dual wishbones on the front and multilink on the rear. It hit 7:32 on the ring 8 years ago whilst the m3 cs costing almost twice the amount and only recently it hit 7:29 on the ring and it had alot more power and way better tires. It also had awd which is better for the ring for a sedan. There's a lap time battle between a rs5 sportback comp and a m3 comp xdrive. The rs5 won by 7 seconds on a short track. I can link you the video but I don't think you understand german. Anyway bmw makes money from people like you. Clueless.
@@andrewyoung5126 also bmw cheat on their ring lap times they overboost thier engines like for example the m2 g87 lap time test car had 506hp when it shouldve had 450-460hp. The audi rs3 best it by 5 seconds on the ring with 100hp less and 2 more doors.
I think the White Horse that is passing in front of the two cars also looking Good with a very nice Grill and Boot is spacey, it is very comfortable ❤️ just look at the driver🔥 from not to 60km/h in just 2.88s, same as the M5 CS 🙌🏽,. Thanks Joe what a Fantastic Video with a lovely Comments 🌶️🔥
Awesome video Joe. Very thoughtful and the amount of effort that has gone into it is clear.
Or an M5 for under £60k. Or an M5 LCI for under £75k.
Personally I wouldn’t swap my F90 for either now although all are AMAZING cars and I’d be delighted driving any of them.
A very thorough & interesting review, thanks Joe!! The only thing 'missing' is a comparison of real world fuel consumption. Otherwise, great job! 👍
Great twin test and a realistic comparison of what (the very lucky), £90k estate owner would be looking at! Can’t wait to see the new M5 Touring hybrid - if it makes it…
Alpina B5 Touring?
@@CM.243 there was an amazing grey one for sale in the UK recently - at £60-70k for a 2020 model, was much more palatable than £115k for a new one!!
I've been waiting for this video! I own an RS6 and have owned multiple sporty BMW wagons in the past, and I totally agree with Joe that they're quite different cars. The BMW driving dynamics and seating position are more enthusiast oriented, while the RS6 with the V8, air suspension, and killer B&O stereo is an incredible GT. Pick what suits your lifestyle. Great work as always, Joe, and congrats on the new car.
Both amazing cars. Love you Joe.Great video and comparison. you are a legend my friend. 😁
Both are beautiful cars. I would be happy with either, it would be a very hard choice for me but I am a BMW fanboy 😂
1 of THE BEST cars ever produced, versatile is an understatement, performance looks , ect beautiful ❤
Another great video Joe. Your content just gets better and better. Wasn’t sure why you were pitching these two in the thumbnail but after watching I see why. The Audi seems to bog down on initial take off on the 0-60’s. But boy does it sound good. If the BMW sounded like that…….❤
V8 Audi is gonna sound better than V6 BMW
Joe your reviews are always very unbiased. A lot of the time Audi's get written off bc they're not the most dynamic cars, but that's the whole point of the brand. It's not the most dynamic but in turn it offers better daily drivability. If you only care about driving dynamics go BMW (not say they can't be daily driven). If all cars were trying to be the most dynamic driving the market would actually be so boring since the cars would all drive the same, so I can see why there is no clear winner in this comparison. Its more on what your values are, for me I don't mind trading off some driving dynamics for daily drivability that's why I usually go with Audi's but I can definitely see myself in a BMW in the near future too.
Being Audi all way iv still gotta say M3 , That dash and interior are next level ! Not to mention the slimmer car on B roads wins hands down !
I was waiting for this review, amazing thanks!
Thank you!
RS6 no question ❤❤❤❤
Like this comparison 🥳
M3 looks amazing ❤ … with front end of the M3 and M4, with the M3’s pumped up rear arches but with elegant estate roofline…there really is just something super cool about a fast estate car 🥳🥳🥳
Great vid mate! For me, RS6 for noise, M3 for everything else! 💪😎
Both cars are amazing, for me i would lean slightly towards the BMW for the new design but also the balance.. with the engine behind the front wheels on the *M3* it should handle slighty better but this is just my opinion as both cars are great. Would also be nice to compare the RS6 to the M5 touring 👍🏻
Another top review Joe 👊🏾
I had my F10 M5 in the dealer for service last week and the showroom had an M3 and M4 on display. Like many I find the front grill a bit OTT but walking around it I found the styling a bit fussy (might be an age thing). For me it would be the V8 over the 6, the RS6 looks over the M3, RS interior over the M and if using as my daily, which is what my M5 is used for, things like interior space, especially for rear seat passengers is really important. Now an M5 touring, that would be a different matter.
Another Brilliant video! Love your in depth view on cars you review.
Great comparison, I have always preferred BMW over Audi because of the more dynamic front end. Even my E90 turns in and feels like it has a better front end then an A4 I had a while ago.
Reiterating other comments , fab review and comparison between the two.. 🤔One of each please, RS6 for the family and dog , The M3 for the golf clubs and boys trip 😊
As an owner of both a B9 RS5 and a G82 M4, I'd probably pick up the RS6 over the M3 Touring (not available in my country). If the driving characteristics between the RS6 and RS5 are similar, then its easy to drive passive personality lends itself better to the station wagon/estate body style. I love my M4, but its a bit twitchy... it demands you pay attention even when you are just commuting in traffic to and from work.
You need to get the geo adjusted on the G82, they're so nervous out of the box as have (literally) zero toe. Will completely transform the car at normal speeds 👌
@@JoeAchilles1 yeah, I saw on another video on your old car you talked about this. I will probably have that done. Thanks for the advice!
Another great comparison video Joe 👏🏻. M3 every time for me. If you can get hold of them, would be great to see M3 Touring vs B3 Touring, and M3 Touring vs Panamera Turbo Sport Turismo (£100k second-hand). There may well be a M5 Touring too, so that will cater for those that need the extra space.
Unfortunately you're not going to see an ALPINA on the channel anytime soon, sure the B3 is brilliant though.
@@JoeAchilles1 yes I remember you saying that, however post 2025 you’ll be able to get one from BMW U.K. press office :)
@@andrewhurstcars Post 2025 they won't be more than a trim level ;-)
@@JoeAchilles1 the Andreas Bovensiepen interview on TST sounds pretty positive; the BMW board likes the heritage of Alpina, plus there are about 30 Alpina engineers still working at BMW. My guess is they’ll still keep using specific Alpina dampers, wheels, brakes, extra cooling, and tuned engines - until it all goes electric in 2035.
@@JoeAchilles1 can I ask you why is that? thanks
Now this is the content we didn’t know we needed🔥👍🏻
🤣👌👊
Fantastic review Joe. No panoramic roof option in the M3 is such as shame. The M340i Touring in your previous vids looks sooo good with it. Could you live without one?
BMW reminds me of Pontiac Firebird Ram Air and I loved front end, new BMW looks so attractive and aggressive I love new grill from beginning
As much as I love my g21 m340, I would have to go with RS6 on this one. Can't simply stand the OS8 interior in the LCI model. This really looks like the AliExpress version of OS7.
Totally agree... to the point that for the first time in 30+ years I may look at other brands when it's time to change my M340 in a couple of years.
M3 touring all the way for me, getting used to the grille now and for me the estate is best looking of the 3/4 series M by a long shot. Finally BMW makes a load lugging performance car that's not a boring SUV.
Carwow measured the weight of RS6 a month ago with fuel tank at almost 40% and the car had weight of 2199 kg, which is honestly stupid heavy.
Add couple of people and fill up the tank and you are almost at 2,5 tonnes.
All the better when you crash into some pedestrians, there is no chance any of them will survive. Or when you have a crash with a Tesla or equivalent electric car, all of which weigh vast amounts.
I don’t see the problem with the BMW grill the RS6 grill bigger
What a great video, and putting the M3 up against the RS 6 instead of the 4 was inspired! On the subject of pan roofs, the wife has one in her Disco Sport and we hardly ever have it "open". I know people want them but I've never seen the appeal... 🤷
Just adds light to the cabin, nobody really uses a sunroof these days
RS6 all the way. More practical and better looking as well
Love them both and I certainly wouldn't mind having them both. I plan to!
M3 saloon for Me. Like the estate appeal but not needed personally. Nothing can match the m3 🔥🔥🔥
I like the Concept of comparing different sized cars, I would be interested in a comparison of the bmw 3 and 5 series to see if comfort or handling wins
M3 Touring all day Joe!
Rs6 every day and twice on Sundays. Just so much cooler and much less ugly.
Great article Joe, two incredible cars and a fair comparison.
Thanks Gerald 👌
The huge rivalry between them makes Mercedes, Audi and BMW build such great cars. As a BMW driver, I love the smile that all BMWs, from the 1 series to the 7 series can put on your face. The sound of the Audi RS6 is the reference for me, like a huge army of Huns with war drums announcing their arrival. Both great cars the RS6 from the side is the most beautiful estate car you could wish for. However, the rear of the M3 is even a touch nicer than the Audi. As for practicality, I myself am not a fan of big cars. For transports I rent a van, and with a car I just want to be able to park easily anywhere too, I like agile cars. My situation: I am on the road alone or together with my wife 99% of the time. These two cars are two delicious monsters, I choose the more compact BMW thats suits my situation the best. Not a capitel overhere, I suppose the maintenance costs as well as the fuel consumption is a bit better with the BMW, as far as people concern ofcourse that have 90k to spend on a car.
M3 Touring for me ☺️ great video and comparison 👊🏻
Another great review! Am I spotting the same roads used by Harry’s Garage?
Great video have a 2022 Macan GTS very tempted with these two
Excellent choice to review sir. Looking forward to this.
I've just watched CarWow put these two against each other in a Drag race. I thought it would have been you in the RS6.
Great video. The RS6 is the most beatiful estate there is. Sad that all other Audis are a fax paper sales man car.
(TT excluded. That’s a hairdresser’s car)
Very interesting video, I'd probably take the RS6 after watching this 👍
I like the new grill took me a few months but it's sick. I'm an Audi fan still
M3 all day espicially with all the aftermarket options u can do to the grille and tail lights and other things that add to the aggresion
Neither has enough power or weigh enough, could well blow away in gusty conditions. Will wait for next generation personally, should be over 2 tons by then and closing in on 1000hp, oh and hopefully big enough so there's no unsightly unused space left between those lines of the roads/parking bays etc.
Good points well made. Far too flimsy at the moment these cars.
The RS6 looks amazing. It looks like it's moving even when standing still
Both are good . I’ll take either one thanks
I was very fortunate having both for a couple weeks, miss the RS 6 now it's gone... 👌
Im surprised you dont like the M steering wheel as much. I have the same sheel in my x3 and i think its the best steering wheel on the entire market right now. Bmw has allways had the best steering wheels. I dont really have big hands lol but i really like how thick the wheel is. The thickness literally makes it better in my opinion.
Thick rimmed wheels are designed by marketing teams, they completely ruin steering feel, Porsche know how to do steering wheels 👌
@@JoeAchilles1 Well yes maybe only Porsche can match Bmw😎
@@Aizman87 Porsche wheels are usually common with Audis.
@@bapr3887 not really, they owned by VAG but not the same steering wheels as Porsche. Porsche is another level than Audi. I dont like the steering wheels on audis. But its just my opinion.
@@Aizman87 Audi, lambo and Porsche have some same wheels with minor changes around airbag. Bugatti too.
Tough choice... I love the RS6... but the M3 Touring is something new and fresh.
Love to bring 2023 Melbourne red Alpina B3 Touring to this party 😇😇
Audi all day everyday. Best looking wagon there is, maybe ever
Love both but has to be the RS6 for me.
So even though I havent watched this as I type - I know this is exactly the video I want to watch for a quality comparison!
So Now I have watched it - Quality as usual Joe! I do love an RS6 and today I had a RSQ8 (not my cup of tea) motor past me in my F82CP and it was obviously tuned with a quality exhaust as it sounded epic. So I agree with all your points on the RS6 especially since I havent so far had a V8 in my stable.
But then I see just how much you are enjoying the G81 and it must be an absolute riot - looking forward to seeing what you do with yours going forward (obviously you have all your other kit to go on), and I am very sure I will be in one of these in the future when they start appearing on the second hand market.
Cheers for the quality content Joe - Awesome!
@joeachilles1182 - You're a scammer!
Go and do something worthwhile with your life you Pelican!
As a BMW owner for many years and fan. M3 is superb if it wasn’t for the front grille. Which does look better in real life than photos and more so in darker colours - black front grill - darker paint colours. Black paint is the best colour to blend into the grille. This and I have tried so hard - I really do not like and on a car costing 80k plus - an M car SHOULD be WOW …really want one. Whomever designed that grille and moreover those who allowed it to production as a finalised design - I really do shake my head in disappointment. On the looks the Audi wins hands down.
Ughhhh such a hard choices... Rs6 better looking from outside, interior and multimedia i prefer M3 ( except how they install this LCDs.... ). Engine... with all the love to B58/S58 I think this Audi V8 is beast and have massive potential. Handling M3, everyday usage hard to say from one side smaller car - M3 from other bigger comfort on RS6..... Personally I went from Audi A6 C7 to BMW 3 but I think in this situation I will go for RS6 C8.
That RS6 sounds godly.
I sell my 911 Carrera T and will me taking one of these. I’ve watched hours of comparisons and still can not make a decision but as that will be my weekend car to take my kids to cinema and hit the mountain passes alone to enjoy myself I think will pick m3. Bit smaller but still practical…
I have a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE soft spot for the RS6, big fan boy so for me is pretty easy decision.
- Great Video As Always
Yes this will be good! 👏👍😀
I hope so!
thanks for doing this one! Still confused but leaning Audi...or BMW?
The Rs6 is mighty! It looks like an elephant compared to the m3. They are so different in character and luxury, yet delivering supercarish‘ performance. I bought an m3 for the size and dynamics but like the rs6s looks more. For me the m3s biggest advantage is the switchable 4wd.
RS6 for me (Audi fan boy here!)
Joe you tested the RS4 Avant 0-60 3.3 against the M3 Competition 0-60 3.1.
And a .2 difference in quarter mile times from a car thats 6 years old. How are they dynamically in different leagues?
Also 0:58 RS4/RS5 massage seats get zero praise? The car in general is way more comfortable as a daily
Acceleration times are very different to driving dynamics,a slow car can have excellent driving dynamics. The handling and chassis composure on the G81 has moved the game on a long long way compared to the B9.
The Audi looks amazing 😮
You turn off the Audi bonging on a C7 so probably the same on a C8 by pressing the steering wheel left hand controls left and right buttons or the press the scroll wheel.
I really enjoy your reviews. Can you tell me what app you use to measure the 0 - 60 time please.
In 2017 I had straight option of a 335d msport tourer or a m340i tourer. The Same price.
It was hard to justify the petrol against the diesel.
The only plus was sound.
Performance was similar, but torque, mpg was far superior in the diesel. So I couldn’t see the point of the petrol.
Performance? A M340i is quicker than a M340d the only thing it has over the B58 is MPG.
@@johnguidetti5839apologies I hadn’t worded it correctly. .
Joe you’ll be missing the pan roof 😂 stunning M3
Fantastic work