@@TeacherToolkitDemo Well, over here in Canada, Audis have a reputation for being excellent in the snow. Where I live, it's covered in snow 8 months of the year. For instance, even X-Drive BMWs get stuck because they are very low to the ground, my 1 series included. Whereas my Audi has much better ground clearance, even though it's an S3 and not an SUV. Audis actually outsell BMWs quite significantly up here!
It's too "in your face" to be a sleeper daily like an Audi RS car. Nobody (or nearly nobody) really needs the bonus performance over the M340i though, so just buy that.
Joe…awesome, in-depth, unbiased review. I have that RS4 and it’s properly brutally savage when floored. We had a RS3 before, again savage, but not with this urgency. The XDrive, I assume is more again. Appreciate ageing RS4 interior but you know what, we get sooooo many thumbs up when we go anywhere in our RS4. With 2 kids, a dog, and a petrol head dad, we honestly wouldn’t change a thing….
@@MTKOZ I think RS4 is a bit faster, albeit with very different power delivery (0-60 recorded in 3.3 secs stock - not aware stock RS3 stock has achieved that time)…
I was going to say😂 I think you have gotten the quickest measured 0-60 time out of a standard RS4, but 2.99 in an M3 xDrive is just INSANE🔥🔥🔥 that is probably the fastest measured 0-60MPH out of one yet
@Alejandro true, not sure how much that changes thing but also on the G81 BMW added an extra tenth of a second to 100km, so possibly again the touring aero and weight. I'd still take the G81 any day :)
& for anyone who knows history to know that had VW not bought moribund Audi from Daimler in the '60's they may not have survived post-Beetle. Instead, as with Daimler having to buy independent tuner AMG from former employees to compete with M, VW had to reconfigure fwd. brand Audi to compete with BMW because they couldn't with their own brand (e.g., Phaeton & its heavyweight power dash vent covers). Performance BMW still product planning for larger manufacturers, witness Hyundai N & Cadillac V. Meanwhile, BMW move the goal again by halving ICE production for 25 neu EV (while Mazda introduce their 1st I6 a century after BMW's & years after naming their cars after BMW).
16:44 I wonder if Audi are telling fibs about the RS 4's power output too! 2.99 secs for an M3 is just mind bending though! 😮 Really wonderful comparison, Joe. You cover all the essentials, from design, quality, practicality, ergonomics, performance, and dynamics expertly. 👍
You've specced that M3 beautifully, Joe! The moody grey paintwork works really well with the big grill, it looks like a fighter jet. The thrones (you can't call those beauties "seats") give a really nice colour pop, injecting a bit of personality. Good work!
I like your reviews BMW fanboy or not,they are on point. I like both cars or may I say car manufacturers? They are both my favourite even though BMW holds a number one spot on my fav list.
Awesome review as always Joe ! , I hate to admit it but that grill on th M3 has really grown on me and I actually kinda like it now , if only we could get the M3 touring here in Canada :( guess I will have to stick with my F31 touring diesel M sport.
Joe - I've been watching you for a while now, the work you have done on your editing and content is really impressive. You deserve all the good things that come to you from this channel.
The M3 is just more special in my opinion. BMW have up there game with the interior and I just believe the drive of most BMW is better then the same like for like Audi. But I wouldn't say no to the Audi, just would pick the BMW for sure.
You’ve made me assess my driving position/height. By your standards I’m sitting way too high. My right arm wouldn’t usually rest on the door card like yours. Will def give it a try.
Hi Joe as usual u nailed it brother u might not have that many subscribers like carwow or some other chennels but whatever u have Noone else have enthusiasm, energy, zest , dedication the best thing about u that u love it it's not like u r doing ur 9 to 5 job u r a champion mate.audi rs4 is an excellent car too but in comparison of that bmw m3 comp xdrive it has no chance greetings from Toronto Canada
I test drove both cars back to back. Your comments about the interior comparisons are spot on, you definitely notice it but having physical heating/cooling controls in the Audi are definitely a plus. The RS4 I drove had adaptive damping and the ride in comfort mode was far more luxurious than the M3 in efficient. That one point highlights the difference in design philosophies between Audi RS and BMW M. In comfort mode the RS4 feels just like a A4 Avant, but the M3 is always a M car no matter how fast or slow you drive it. At the end of the day, I ordered the significantly more expensive G81 M3 Comp xDrive Touring because the G8x series M3 is a truly special car and probably the last of it's kind.
Great comparison Joe! The M3 Comp xDrive is brilliant all things considered. I decided on a 2022 RS5 Sportback because it was up there in performance compared to the M3 (not quite there) but it was a better daily driver for me...which is what I do with my car most of the time (and yes DRC makes a HUGE difference in the comfort level). I had a 2020 M340i XDrive previous to the RS5, and I would argue that the "M Lite" felt better suited for daily use, and felt "faster" around town than the M3. The B58 is a glorious engine, as is the S58, it's all about how you use the power plant and what you use your car for.
Exactly, the m3 is def the better track car and to drive it on the edge, but these cars are basically going to be daily drivers and the audi rs5 is definitely the better one for that purpose and its still very fast and fun to drive. In my opinion looks way better and has a better interior so I would choose it also. You can tune it of course and get more power out of it!
This seems like a pretty spot on review, would love to drive the RS4 in anger, :). However close the cars are in performance etc though these cars really split the buying market. Heck even the G8x owners groups are arguing about its merits and what options are the right ones (those seats being a great example). The M3 is a committed purchase (I have one) but its growing more and more on me rather than being a regret. It is 2 generations of improvement in one. It will make you a focal point for the confusion (good and bad) that the car has in others eyes though. Coming from RWD cars I would personally never go for the RS4 but I get the type of buyer that would. The whole engine power thing might sound like a contradiction but its about right tbh. Just the way it has a lower compression ratio than the likes of the B58.
Got my 340i touer back with all M performance kit fitted, my god the difference is amazing, mines in mineral white and with the good black pack and now M performance kit, it looks amazing 😇
So dissapointed they haven't redesigned this steering wheel looks awful on the RS3 the RS6 and on this looks like the one they used to put on an A3 se. Another good review Joe. If I had the cash right now would be an Alpina B3, used if necessary. Can't wait to see some tricked out M3 tourings though.
Joe, another great detailed comparison video, love it! Will you be doing a quick video on what happens to the other wheels? Apologies if you already explained in another forum.
Bang on about the pull low down! iv had my m4 g82 few weeks know and really finding out that its not really blowing my socks off around streets like my tuned m240i xdrive did! not until 3-4k does the m4 really start to wake up! maybe a eventuri and race box may help!
Nice review man, the thing about the m3 engine is in part due to the fact that the compression was changed in comparison to the b58, maybe a b58 will have the punch in low revs that the audi engine
Great video man really enjoyed! I'd say they both have their customers, for me as a drivers car the G81 will be more enjoyable. But also in winter prone countries I think Audi will outperform BMW because their quattro system I've heard from friends in Canada is more effective than xDrive for the snow. Either way two great cars! for me it;s the G81 all the way.
Nice review! Apparently it will soon be possible to xHP flash tune the transmission of your G80, you can tweak till your heart's content. It would eliminate that negative... I have this on my E61, love it. Food for thought.
I can totally relate to the feeling of sitting in the seats of a BMW 3 series vs sitting on them in a lot other cars I’ve been in. I have a G21 with sports seats and the driving position is near perfect. I cannot get properly comfortable in any other car after owning this!
Joe- Great watch as always. I know you’ve made a few mods under the bonnet of your M3 with air intake etc. Do you think that’s had a real influence on the sub 3.00sec time to 60? I also recall the RS4 being made honest in the drag race you had with Matt Watson in the M340i xdrive; yes it won but it was 2-1 if I remember correctly?
Decent comparison for two great cars... in some ways perhaps a little unfair given where they are in their life cycles, but then the way Audi/VAG group have gone lately with their cheapskate approach to particularly interior design, i fear Audi's days are numbered... coming from an audi fan! seriously considering the M240i for next car. 🤔
@@SH7SH7SH7 i love the rs3... but it's just not value for money for the everyday driver.. and a serious downgrade in cabin quailty. It's a shame.. never thought I would feel like that. 🤷🏽♂️
I’ve got an 18 rs5. I’m 6’ and fit alot bette than you. The 20” wheels have 30 series tires fyi. I also gave drc which is great. They’re not as fast as a g8x but they do pretty good. High 11s and sub 3.5 to 60 is no joke. Great review
The more I see new M models the more I want one. I never hated the new design and I feel like has only gotten better with time. Now, how to find the funds 😭
Great video Joe. I know you mentioned the new dashboard for both the M3 and M4. From my discussion with BMW the M4 isn't getting the curved screens until next year.
Joe why don't you reach out to a 2nd person to shoot with you for the 2nd car? I think it will be more exciting and enjoyable seeing two personalities.
Finding someone who's available for two days (last minute), good on camera, insured on both cars, will do for no cost (because twin tests always cost a fortune as they are)... Not as easy as that unfortunately.
You have street cred, so you can criticize the S58, but I've made the same comments on the BMW forums and have gotten flamed. The S58 is a brilliant engine, but its flaw is the lack of low end torque, which is just idiocy in a daily driver, esp. the X3M. Not sure why the BMW engineers couldn't have just made a better B58.
I've said it since day one when the X3M launched, people gave me shit about saying that too... We need to remember there are lots of "experts" online, especially on forums.... Most of them haven't driven a modern 118d, let alone an X3M or G80/82. The S58 does lack low down grunt/torque, that's a fact. 👌
@@JoeAchilles1 so does the Giulia Quadrifoglio (had two of them), but as with the M3 the whole package is so good it becomes a non-issue and you drive around it.
@@honza2755 It's annoying - you have to learn how to drive around it. For example, you're in D1, 2nd gear, approaching a right turn with an oncoming car, but there's time to make the turn in front of the car if you step on it. So you mash the throttle, and nothing happens, because you're in 2nd gear at like 1000 RPMs, and D1 will NOT downshift into first, at all. So, you are embarrassed and hopefully not rear-ended... The solution is to shift with the paddles and make sure in that scenario. that your'e in 1st gear...D2 and D3 will downshift into first, but only after pressing the throttle in a lot more than you'd expect. Which is why I just manually shift these days.
great video, on the Audi, you said it didnt have the DRC suspension plus ? so, could you still go into settings and set to comfort to alter suspension to softer ? or do you have to have the sus plus added to do this ?
I have a F31 M-perf. I recently test drove a G20 M340 x drive thinking it might be time to move up. But in comparison (imo) it felt muted and far less visceral. I'm now thinking an F80 is a better upgrade path - although your G80 does look bloody good - love the look. Do you have any thoughts on the F80 compared to the G80?
@@aaronhotchkins2854 and that’s why he’s such a great RUclipsr. Anybody else would spend 30 seconds talking about the difference. Instead he went out his way; changed the wheels. And after the video he would’ve changed them back again
No offence but saying the Eventuri intake and Milltek exhaust will add “a couple of bhp” is just laughable. The products state the gains they give so the “couple” will actually be quite a bit. And I’m not knocking those companies either as I’ve got an Eventuri intake on my RS3 so I know the gains 😊
The RS4/5 for this gen even when brand new weren’t the most competitive. Rumour has it the completion pack adds a lot to the cars, but it’s already too late in the model year. Let’s see how Audi does with the B10 gen I’m worried it’ll be a 4cyl hybrid.
Hmmm in my mind it's a tough decision. If I also have a sports car than I would choose the RS4. If I had to buy 1 car then it would be the M3. Don't know why, but I really love the slightly more subtle looks of that RS4.
Great review Joe. One advantage of the RS4 is that you can order a pan sunroof with it. This isn’t an available option with a M3 or M3 Estate. I’m sure, (well hope) the dynamic adjustable suspension is not as noisy as my RS4. My 2020 RS4 Vorsprung has been in my local dealer for months trying to fix it. ruclips.net/video/DxUl7Aa3MVs/видео.html Update - they have fixed the noisy suspension. The car was in 3 times for a total of over 11 weeks but it’s fixed :-)
2.99 I can’t get this in..... I thought the m5 comp or cs I can’t remember which one did 2.9 , but an m3 ??? And Audi estate 3.3? Mind blowing. Wondering about m3 touring , will be 3.1 lol 😮
The RS4 you would think at that price point, at minimum, you would at least get memory seats on the drivers side? You get it in the Vorsprung trim but c'mon... in 2022 how that isn't standard for a premium product is just jokes. For the equivalent Mercedes (C63) you get far more for your money as standard.
Bmw fan here. M3 bigger than the Audi which is funny. The armrest issue would still be an issue in shorter drivers of the bmw. Still can’t get over the fact the around the gear selector is so messy in the bmw. I could go on.😂
I love your reviews but even as a BMW fan this should’ve been stock for stock. Downplaying the fact that the intake and exhaust won’t add as much because it isn’t tuned doesn’t make sense as both of them combined would add a ‘minimum’ of 30bhp since it’s turbocharged. Looking forward to your next test of the touring & the rs4.
Do you think the incoming G81 M3 Touring will kill off RS 4 sales completely?
No, I don't think so. I have a BMW and an Audi, and they are totally different things, and I love them for different reasons.
Unless the Audi is considerable cheaper what's the point in buying the Audi.
@@TeacherToolkitDemo Well, over here in Canada, Audis have a reputation for being excellent in the snow. Where I live, it's covered in snow 8 months of the year. For instance, even X-Drive BMWs get stuck because they are very low to the ground, my 1 series included. Whereas my Audi has much better ground clearance, even though it's an S3 and not an SUV. Audis actually outsell BMWs quite significantly up here!
probably
It's too "in your face" to be a sleeper daily like an Audi RS car. Nobody (or nearly nobody) really needs the bonus performance over the M340i though, so just buy that.
Joe…awesome, in-depth, unbiased review. I have that RS4 and it’s properly brutally savage when floored. We had a RS3 before, again savage, but not with this urgency. The XDrive, I assume is more again. Appreciate ageing RS4 interior but you know what, we get sooooo many thumbs up when we go anywhere in our RS4. With 2 kids, a dog, and a petrol head dad, we honestly wouldn’t change a thing….
But the RS3 is faster than the RS4? So...
@@MTKOZ I think RS4 is a bit faster, albeit with very different power delivery (0-60 recorded in 3.3 secs stock - not aware stock RS3 stock has achieved that time)…
I was going to say😂 I think you have gotten the quickest measured 0-60 time out of a standard RS4, but 2.99 in an M3 xDrive is just INSANE🔥🔥🔥 that is probably the fastest measured 0-60MPH out of one yet
Had mine with racebox at a 2.89 0-100
km/h. All 100% stock.
@Alejandro true, not sure how much that changes thing but also on the G81 BMW added an extra tenth of a second to 100km, so possibly again the touring aero and weight. I'd still take the G81 any day :)
I’ve seen 2.89
Sooo… the M3 is better if you bigger than 6 foot and prefer infotainment to engine sound, available torque and better looks.. 😂
It is not abnormal for a car enthusiast to have a soft spot for a performance BMW.
This is true!
& for anyone who knows history to know that had VW not bought moribund Audi from Daimler in the '60's they may not have survived post-Beetle. Instead, as with Daimler having to buy independent tuner AMG from former employees to compete with M, VW had to reconfigure fwd. brand Audi to compete with BMW because they couldn't with their own brand (e.g., Phaeton & its heavyweight power dash vent covers). Performance BMW still product planning for larger manufacturers, witness Hyundai N & Cadillac V. Meanwhile, BMW move the goal again by halving ICE production for 25 neu EV (while Mazda introduce their 1st I6 a century after BMW's & years after naming their cars after BMW).
Just like it’s not abnormal for a car enthusiast to have a soft spot for an alfa romeo
@@TG-zf1wm Stellantis. Like Audi, Alfa disappeared from the market for years.
@@unowen-nh9ov haha you’re right. But i’m talking about a real alfa
16:44 I wonder if Audi are telling fibs about the RS 4's power output too! 2.99 secs for an M3 is just mind bending though! 😮
Really wonderful comparison, Joe. You cover all the essentials, from design, quality, practicality, ergonomics, performance, and dynamics expertly. 👍
They make about 470bhp
The device hes using to measure seems about 0.2s generous on these 0-60 times
@@KK001not at all I've seen 2.8 0-60 in the m3
Brilliant review, filming and editing. . TV quality Joe 👍🏻 10/10.
Thank you Jonny 🙏👊❤️
Love the Rs4 it’s easily a forgotten car , and M3 all day for me haha
*The exhaust notes of these Audis is like a beautiful melody* 👏
Great comparison video really broke both down and covered proper drivers needs. 👏 keep up the hard work pal, ps thank you lou for chipping in.
You've specced that M3 beautifully, Joe!
The moody grey paintwork works really well with the big grill, it looks like a fighter jet. The thrones (you can't call those beauties "seats") give a really nice colour pop, injecting a bit of personality.
Good work!
I like your reviews BMW fanboy or not,they are on point. I like both cars or may I say car manufacturers? They are both my favourite even though BMW holds a number one spot on my fav list.
Awesome review as always Joe ! , I hate to admit it but that grill on th M3 has really grown on me and I actually kinda like it now , if only we could get the M3 touring here in Canada :( guess I will have to stick with my F31 touring diesel M sport.
What a great couple of cars. Hard to choose. I love both 👌🏼 Good review, Joe!
been waiting for this! epic video mate! best content on youtube!
Thank you bro ❤️
Joe - I've been watching you for a while now, the work you have done on your editing and content is really impressive. You deserve all the good things that come to you from this channel.
I've watched most of your reviews and without a doubt you are a big BMW fan boy.
No way... What have you that idea? 😂
Good content, I expected your conclusion 👊 I liked the Lou shout out, I can only echo it ‘thanks Lou’ 😊
Thank you ;-)
Would love to see the 1/4 and 1/2 mile for these two head-to-head Joe
its been done. M3 comp x drive wins by some margin. its faster than all the rivals, but it might be because it is the newest of all of them.
Excellent job, such a good review ! I've ordered a M4 competition xdrive and I cannot wait...
The M3 is just more special in my opinion. BMW have up there game with the interior and I just believe the drive of most BMW is better then the same like for like Audi. But I wouldn't say no to the Audi, just would pick the BMW for sure.
Great video Buddy, really enjoyed the comparative Joe 👌food for thought, but love the practicality of the RS4 format
I agree with you Joe
I would take a BMW any day over an Audi
You’ve made me assess my driving position/height. By your standards I’m sitting way too high. My right arm wouldn’t usually rest on the door card like yours. Will def give it a try.
Hi Joe as usual u nailed it brother u might not have that many subscribers like carwow or some other chennels but whatever u have Noone else have enthusiasm, energy, zest , dedication the best thing about u that u love it it's not like u r doing ur 9 to 5 job u r a champion mate.audi rs4 is an excellent car too but in comparison of that bmw m3 comp xdrive it has no chance greetings from Toronto Canada
That front lip on the M3 is money! Best one I've seen.
I test drove both cars back to back. Your comments about the interior comparisons are spot on, you definitely notice it but having physical heating/cooling controls in the Audi are definitely a plus. The RS4 I drove had adaptive damping and the ride in comfort mode was far more luxurious than the M3 in efficient. That one point highlights the difference in design philosophies between Audi RS and BMW M. In comfort mode the RS4 feels just like a A4 Avant, but the M3 is always a M car no matter how fast or slow you drive it. At the end of the day, I ordered the significantly more expensive G81 M3 Comp xDrive Touring because the G8x series M3 is a truly special car and probably the last of it's kind.
Yes Joe what a banger. And it's 35 odd minutes u hero! 😎😎😎😎😎
Haha yes it was a two day shoot and 3 day edit 🤣🫣👊
@@JoeAchilles1 the legend himself .... Defo appreciated for the effort you put into it. Thank you mate
Great comparison Joe! The M3 Comp xDrive is brilliant all things considered. I decided on a 2022 RS5 Sportback because it was up there in performance compared to the M3 (not quite there) but it was a better daily driver for me...which is what I do with my car most of the time (and yes DRC makes a HUGE difference in the comfort level). I had a 2020 M340i XDrive previous to the RS5, and I would argue that the "M Lite" felt better suited for daily use, and felt "faster" around town than the M3. The B58 is a glorious engine, as is the S58, it's all about how you use the power plant and what you use your car for.
Exactly, the m3 is def the better track car and to drive it on the edge, but these cars are basically going to be daily drivers and the audi rs5 is definitely the better one for that purpose and its still very fast and fun to drive. In my opinion looks way better and has a better interior so I would choose it also. You can tune it of course and get more power out of it!
As a B9 RS4 owner & Audi biased fan, a VERY fair and balanced review. Can't argue against any of JA's critique on the RS4.
This seems like a pretty spot on review, would love to drive the RS4 in anger, :). However close the cars are in performance etc though these cars really split the buying market. Heck even the G8x owners groups are arguing about its merits and what options are the right ones (those seats being a great example).
The M3 is a committed purchase (I have one) but its growing more and more on me rather than being a regret. It is 2 generations of improvement in one. It will make you a focal point for the confusion (good and bad) that the car has in others eyes though.
Coming from RWD cars I would personally never go for the RS4 but I get the type of buyer that would.
The whole engine power thing might sound like a contradiction but its about right tbh. Just the way it has a lower compression ratio than the likes of the B58.
I'm looking forward to your review on the rs4 comp! I haven't heard anything since its announcement. Subscribed!
Your M3 is my ideal look and spec! One day 🙏
Great video Joe loved how in depth it was. 👊🏻
BMW m3 looks better with the original wheels back on 👍🏼
So much better
They should be silver tho, black wheels are just too cheap looking.
@@honza2755 either black or silver still looks better than aftermarket gold 😩
100% aftermarket wheels just never work as well as stock wheels.
Got my 340i touer back with all M performance kit fitted, my god the difference is amazing, mines in mineral white and with the good black pack and now M performance kit, it looks amazing 😇
So dissapointed they haven't redesigned this steering wheel looks awful on the RS3 the RS6 and on this looks like the one they used to put on an A3 se. Another good review Joe. If I had the cash right now would be an Alpina B3, used if necessary. Can't wait to see some tricked out M3 tourings though.
Joe, another great detailed comparison video, love it! Will you be doing a quick video on what happens to the other wheels? Apologies if you already explained in another forum.
Good video can't wait for the next one
Great video Joe and Lou.
Good job Joe. Excellent comparo!
Great review..can't wait to see the comparison of m3 estate and rs4 compt...where I live M3 is the King regardless of the model..it's the Benchmarker
Great review! Get in there BMW M
that M3 bonnet makes it another kind of beast ! 😛
Bang on about the pull low down! iv had my m4 g82 few weeks know and really finding out that its not really blowing my socks off around streets like my tuned m240i xdrive did! not until 3-4k does the m4 really start to wake up! maybe a eventuri and race box may help!
Great video - love the RS4 in Sonoma Green, but it'd have to be the M3 for me!
You don’t really get this detailed reviews from someone else do you , thanks joe !
Those lines down the bonnet on the BM look great !
Ur reviews are amazing mate
Nice review man, the thing about the m3 engine is in part due to the fact that the compression was changed in comparison to the b58, maybe a b58 will have the punch in low revs that the audi engine
That g82 is really quick 😳.....wowwwwww.....I really Really want one
Both cars are just brutally savage when you launch them, my goodness.
Thank you Lou. Hope I spelt it right
Really enjoyed that. A great video especially if you're in the market for one of them
fantastic work sir.
Great video man really enjoyed! I'd say they both have their customers, for me as a drivers car the G81 will be more enjoyable. But also in winter prone countries I think Audi will outperform BMW because their quattro system I've heard from friends in Canada is more effective than xDrive for the snow. Either way two great cars! for me it;s the G81 all the way.
Nice review! Apparently it will soon be possible to xHP flash tune the transmission of your G80, you can tweak till your heart's content. It would eliminate that negative... I have this on my E61, love it. Food for thought.
Maybe slightly biased but I think the interior on the M3 is better and even more so on the facelift model interior.
Good informative review J ..👍
I can totally relate to the feeling of sitting in the seats of a BMW 3 series vs sitting on them in a lot other cars I’ve been in. I have a G21 with sports seats and the driving position is near perfect. I cannot get properly comfortable in any other car after owning this!
Great video. Maybe the RS4 is a much more manageable package than the RS6.
great review ! But it just confirmed to me that for everyday use, M340I is king and M3 is a toy car
Joe- Great watch as always. I know you’ve made a few mods under the bonnet of your M3 with air intake etc. Do you think that’s had a real influence on the sub 3.00sec time to 60?
I also recall the RS4 being made honest in the drag race you had with Matt Watson in the M340i xdrive; yes it won but it was 2-1 if I remember correctly?
After you mentioned the lack of mmi wheel and the seating ergonomics I left. A4 needs a refresh.
Great video. Did you do before and after tests with the Eventuri? I'd be interested to know what difference it makes
Thanks buddy! I didn't actually, but sure Imran and Evolve have done, think they say around 20hp gains!
@@JoeAchilles1 does it invalidate the bmw warranty Joe?
Thank you Lu!
For me outside of the audi looks better, but rekon wagons do. But the inside of the m3 looks nice bro. Cheers
Decent comparison for two great cars... in some ways perhaps a little unfair given where they are in their life cycles, but then the way Audi/VAG group have gone lately with their cheapskate approach to particularly interior design, i fear Audi's days are numbered... coming from an audi fan!
seriously considering the M240i for next car. 🤔
Get the new rs3 over the m240i, trust me. Coming from a bmw guy
@@SH7SH7SH7 i love the rs3... but it's just not value for money for the everyday driver.. and a serious downgrade in cabin quailty. It's a shame.. never thought I would feel like that. 🤷🏽♂️
I’ve got an 18 rs5. I’m 6’ and fit alot bette than you. The 20” wheels have 30 series tires fyi. I also gave drc which is great. They’re not as fast as a g8x but they do pretty good. High 11s and sub 3.5 to 60 is no joke. Great review
Oh and the rs5 has memory seats don’t know why this one doesn’t
The more I see new M models the more I want one. I never hated the new design and I feel like has only gotten better with time. Now, how to find the funds 😭
True, I’m loving that aggressive snout now!!
Great video Joe. I know you mentioned the new dashboard for both the M3 and M4. From my discussion with BMW the M4 isn't getting the curved screens until next year.
Hey Joe, great vid again.
Where and how much did your suede steering wheel cost?
Miss the RS4 😵💫
M3 every time thanks !!! Audi need 2 step up their game in their interiors!!!!
Hi Joe and thank you for another great vid! What is your take on quatro tec vs Xdrive tec?
M3 All day, not even a comparison for me
Yeah when your in a beemer it seems like the seats are lower but in Audis it seems you sit higher I can relate to that
There is something about BMW and Honda; they just do engines right.
Joe why don't you reach out to a 2nd person to shoot with you for the 2nd car? I think it will be more exciting and enjoyable seeing two personalities.
Finding someone who's available for two days (last minute), good on camera, insured on both cars, will do for no cost (because twin tests always cost a fortune as they are)... Not as easy as that unfortunately.
@@JoeAchilles1 thanks for taking your time to explain. This makes sense. All the best Mr. Achilles
Just make sure u do another RS3 vs the new M2 when it comes out… not a even an RS car vs M light
Do a rematch Joe when you get your M3 Touring 😉
Absolutely will, M3 Competition Touring vs RS 4 Competition 🎬
@@JoeAchilles1 M3 Comp Touring in Isle of Man Green with tan leather interior make it happen Joe!
You have street cred, so you can criticize the S58, but I've made the same comments on the BMW forums and have gotten flamed.
The S58 is a brilliant engine, but its flaw is the lack of low end torque, which is just idiocy in a daily driver, esp. the X3M. Not sure why the BMW engineers couldn't have just made a better B58.
I've said it since day one when the X3M launched, people gave me shit about saying that too... We need to remember there are lots of "experts" online, especially on forums.... Most of them haven't driven a modern 118d, let alone an X3M or G80/82.
The S58 does lack low down grunt/torque, that's a fact. 👌
@@JoeAchilles1 so does the Giulia Quadrifoglio (had two of them), but as with the M3 the whole package is so good it becomes a non-issue and you drive around it.
Is it that bad?
@@honza2755 It's annoying - you have to learn how to drive around it. For example, you're in D1, 2nd gear, approaching a right turn with an oncoming car, but there's time to make the turn in front of the car if you step on it. So you mash the throttle, and nothing happens, because you're in 2nd gear at like 1000 RPMs, and D1 will NOT downshift into first, at all. So, you are embarrassed and hopefully not rear-ended... The solution is to shift with the paddles and make sure in that scenario. that your'e in 1st gear...D2 and D3 will downshift into first, but only after pressing the throttle in a lot more than you'd expect. Which is why I just manually shift these days.
@@harperium_3276 Wow, that sounds really bad, thanks.
The carbon under Grillez bonnet looks class. 2.99 is a joke 🤣
xDrive has improved sooo much
great video, on the Audi, you said it didnt have the DRC suspension plus ? so, could you still go into settings and set to comfort to alter suspension to softer ? or do you have to have the sus plus added to do this ?
I have a F31 M-perf. I recently test drove a G20 M340 x drive thinking it might be time to move up. But in comparison (imo) it felt muted and far less visceral. I'm now thinking an F80 is a better upgrade path - although your G80 does look bloody good - love the look. Do you have any thoughts on the F80 compared to the G80?
...FAV comment "BOOM" and you get the Achilles "fist bump"! You Rock The Casbah. But you already knowst this my good sir! #E46DinanTouring->
M3 all day long 😍😍😍 especially yours
Where did your bronze wheels go?
Probably to make it a more stock for stock comparison vs having lightweight wheels.
@@aaronhotchkins2854 and that’s why he’s such a great RUclipsr. Anybody else would spend 30 seconds talking about the difference. Instead he went out his way; changed the wheels. And after the video he would’ve changed them back again
Both very nice cars
Recently sold my B5 RS4 😢 but I wouldn’t buy the B9 at all
What’s next for you? I just got myself a b8.5 s4 and it feels brutal and fast!
I kinda like the privacy windows!
No offence but saying the Eventuri intake and Milltek exhaust will add “a couple of bhp” is just laughable. The products state the gains they give so the “couple” will actually be quite a bit. And I’m not knocking those companies either as I’ve got an Eventuri intake on my RS3 so I know the gains 😊
The RS4/5 for this gen even when brand new weren’t the most competitive. Rumour has it the completion pack adds a lot to the cars, but it’s already too late in the model year. Let’s see how Audi does with the B10 gen I’m worried it’ll be a 4cyl hybrid.
Hmmm in my mind it's a tough decision.
If I also have a sports car than I would choose the RS4. If I had to buy 1 car then it would be the M3.
Don't know why, but I really love the slightly more subtle looks of that RS4.
Great review Joe.
One advantage of the RS4 is that you can order a pan sunroof with it. This isn’t an available option with a M3 or M3 Estate.
I’m sure, (well hope) the dynamic adjustable suspension is not as noisy as my RS4. My 2020 RS4 Vorsprung has been in my local dealer for months trying to fix it.
ruclips.net/video/DxUl7Aa3MVs/видео.html
Update - they have fixed the noisy suspension. The car was in 3 times for a total of over 11 weeks but it’s fixed :-)
2.99 I can’t get this in..... I thought the m5 comp or cs I can’t remember which one did 2.9 , but an m3 ???
And Audi estate 3.3? Mind blowing. Wondering about m3 touring , will be 3.1 lol 😮
Amazing cars when there tuned even more incredible 😎👌👍
Probably just me but overall cabin noise in Audi seemed quieter? Can hear more tyre noise in Beemer?
The RS4 you would think at that price point, at minimum, you would at least get memory seats on the drivers side? You get it in the Vorsprung trim but c'mon... in 2022 how that isn't standard for a premium product is just jokes. For the equivalent Mercedes (C63) you get far more for your money as standard.
Bmw fan here. M3 bigger than the Audi which is funny. The armrest issue would still be an issue in shorter drivers of the bmw. Still can’t get over the fact the around the gear selector is so messy in the bmw. I could go on.😂
Does pushing the torque band up the rev range on the M3 improve fuel economy 🤔
I love your reviews but even as a BMW fan this should’ve been stock for stock. Downplaying the fact that the intake and exhaust won’t add as much because it isn’t tuned doesn’t make sense as both of them combined would add a ‘minimum’ of 30bhp since it’s turbocharged. Looking forward to your next test of the touring & the rs4.