350 Legend Hornady American Whitetail vs Ballistic Gel at 100 and 200 Yards - The Social Regressive
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Let's see how the Hornady American Whitetail 350 Legend ammo compares to the other awesome rounds we've tested lately. Ballistic gel at 100 and 200 yards!
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If you're looking for a distance-insensitive 350 Legend round, use either this 170-grain Hornady American Whitetail or the 180-grain Winchester Super X Power Point. Both provide a very similar wound channel at 100 and 200 yards, and both keep enough momentum and sectional density to pass through a whole lot of animal. If you have a choice at the store, I would recommend the Winchester load, however. It groups considerably tighter in this AR carbine and expands to a larger diameter.
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Kyle Broderick, The Social Regressive
Thank you for the video. I think a lot of people seem to not understand that a gel test is only consistent way to test a bullet in GEL, NOT how it will perform in the field. The Winchester 180 PP, Federal 180 and this Hornady 170 will perform differently hitting gel as opposed to punching through a tough hog shield and bone. These aren't "defensive" rounds, they are made for killing game. If the three bullets I mentioned and you tested will deliver energy and expand fairly well in gel they will certainly expand better in a tough animal like a hog or even a deer.
I've been dreaming of this round for years. A. 223 based straight walled case that is basically a rimless 357 magnum on steroids. It's here! My next build will be a 350 Legend for sure!
I can't wait to test it in a hunt. Got some 20-round mags on the way.
I had my first hunt with it in Iowa last deer season. I bought my son a Savage bolt gun and decided to try it myself, shot a big 8 pointer at 75 yards and it didn't take a step went right down. I liked it so much I went and bought the CMMG for myself, thanks for the info on the different bullet weights
I bought one, my close range carbine for still hunting in the thick northeast swamps and and woods
I've been thinking about converting an AR to .350 Legend, and enjoy this series of vids!
It's relatively easy. Barrel and mag. That's it. I think it's a brilliant concept.
@@SocialRegressive exactly. Very little time, effort, and money.
randy emenhiser that is what I did. Just buy a new upper.. BEAR CREEK ARSENAL less than $250.
@@someguy5543 I've considered it, but I can get just a barrel from BCA for $84
randy emenhiser My only though is than you have to set the head space. The BCG, is not going to be the same. And you still have two different calibers, with only one lower
Please Hornady FTX same test please!
One 350 Legend round I think will do very well but not tested is the Hornady Custom 165gr FTX
Been waiting for the new to wear off this cartridge, some good testing, and real world results. My interest in the 350 L is now greater than ever. Should have long case life as well for us reloaders.
Howdy, DL! So far the cartridge is looking solid. Everyone has their brass squared away now.
Your thought about it working better in a longer barrel is what i have experienced. I have an 18invh barrel on my savage 110, and this round shoots a lot tighter than that for me.
I would like to know what the built drop is? That would be some handy information. I watched all your videos on the 350 ammo. If you could tell us the average built drop at from 100 to 200 Yards.
Roughly 5 to 6 inches of drop between 100 and 200 yards.
Thanks for doing the 350 videos. This is helping me choose my new deer load. Based on what your seen, what is your opinion on what the best deer load is so far?
The best three I've tested so far are the Winchester 180-grain Super-X, Winchester Deer Season XP, and the Winchester 160-grain Power Max Bonded. They all perform consistently well and make a big, messy hole. ruclips.net/video/JsSA1DOpsiE/видео.html
It kind of saddens me that you didn't opt for the 300 Ham'r. I would love to see this kind of testing with this round, especially now that it is Saami approved! It's vastly more accurate and it was developed with hog hunting in mind.
I think I should try one sometime.
Apples and oranges. The point of the 350 legend is the strait walls which are required in a few states for center fire rifle deer hunting.
@@SocialRegressive I think honestly the 350 L makes more sense, especially hog hunting than a 300 BO. They need to make a 223 case necked to 6mm or 6.5, so you dont weaken the bolt like you do with 6.5 grendel. A broke bolt is last thing I want hog hunting.
These videos have been amazingly helpful in my assessment of which .350 ammo I want to use. The one that seems to be getting a lot of support in the hunting community is the Bear Creek Ballistics .350 160 grain bullet. Any chance you can test that?
You should show what the Winchester 180 power point and what 170gr. Hornady Whitetail do at a little closer range. Say 40 and 50 yards .
Can’t wait to use my 350 legend on some hogs, got a ruger American and 100 rounds of 150gr deer season xp ammo
That ammo has had problems with the bullet moving forward when chambered in an AR making the COL different with each shot...like it's not crimped well enough...that might be why you're getting a large group... I get sub moa with this ammo from a single shot and when I crimp it more with a Lee FCD if I'm shooting from an AR
Interesting. No over-pressure signs from crimping?
I did some testing and had bullet slip with all the 350 Legend factory ammo but this Hornady ammo was the worst. It only took 2 chamberings to slip out a decent amount conpared to the others.
@@SocialRegressive Not with the 170 gain. I do a light crimp with a Lee FCD because from the factory, they don't seem to be crimped at all with is allowing the bullet slip or it could be the brass is too soft and doesn't have enough neck tension to begin with IDk, I load these bullets with Starline and they're fine...the 165 FTX ammo is hot and I had flat primers or it's shoving the bullet further inside the case. I know they shot 6" higher than the 170 and you could feel a noticable difference in recoil. Hornady also crimped the primer pockets on the 165... I had to hammer them out by hand.. I won't shoot either of the factory Hornady ammo in my ARs
Kelly Gallagher thanks for the heads-up about slippage with this round in an AR. I guess I'll avoid the Hornady stuff. Is there anything someone who doesn't have reloading equipment can do to crimp these bullets somehow? Obviously not letting the bolt slam a round in the chamber is a work-around but it's not an option for follow up shots.
I’ve had issues with it in a bolt action too. Groups are a large pattern at only 100 yds, primers popped, and light primer strikes. 150 grain Winchester, 1 inch groups at 200 yards.
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#2 Penetration
#3 Expansion ( gravy)
Informative video. I like Hornady projectiles and ammunition alot. I beleave those groups would tighten up considerably once you handload and tune those projectiles to your rifle, as you know not all factory loadings are every rifle great.
I haven't looked at their site to see if they offering them at component level yet, but if not I'm sure they will soon and probly some others not yet developed when popularity grows. And as it goes probly other manufactures too. The Winchester rounds you used in a previous video have a projectile profile that looks alot like some vintage 38 special rounds I have on hand that are copper jacketed with an exposed lead base that stays exposed part way up from the base. Unfortunately I have no unused projectiles to send you for trying.
Thankyou for testing these for all of us.
I have some Winchester components now. Can't wait to see what I can do with them, though it can hardly be better than the factory ammo. They made some great loads.
@@SocialRegressive yea they looked to be a good factory offering. But given all the powders and primer combos, you might be able to tune them to your rifle for some impressively improved groups. I know that even if you can't improve the groups, you'll probly have a lot of fun trying. I know I almost always do when I'm working up loads. Good luck.
this does not show up on your "350 Legend Test" playlist. :( I almost missed this
Thanks for the heads-up!
I'm curious about the Winchester 160gr PowerMax Bonded and the Federal 160gr Bonded soft point Fusion... Love the 350 Legend dropped a huge Iowa 11 point buck and a doe, both dropped in there tracks with this 170gr pill.
I've tested the 160 but had to clean up in the dark. I haven't even seen the gel damage yet. Video coming soon!
I didn't notice if you tried the Federal 180 grain load... I noticed and heard that the Non Typical load is the same. I'm also waiting to try the Federal Fusion. Plus Browning is coming out with a 160 grain hunting load and a screaming 125 full metal jacket that's supposed to be 8 dollars a box!
I've tried them all now. Videos coming soon!
@@SocialRegressive looking forward to watching them... thanks for sharing this information
Has anyone tried 8.6 it's the big brother of a 300 black out. 30 cal case with a 338 bullet. It's new and hopefully hits the market big.
I'd like to. I've tried its cousin, 9x39, and it rocks.
You might want to do the math on your rate of twist. I'm guessing less than 1 in 10. I'd say with the 170gr weight a minimum of
1 in 10.75 to 1 in 11.5 would shrink the group an easy 1 1/2 inches.
Really like the video.
This is a 1:16, which seems to be the standard. These bullets are much shorter and fatter than a similar-weight .308, so they stabilize much more easily.
I'd like to see how the 165gr flex tip does, I can't find any videos on it
Great video as always. Thoughts on .350 legend vs 7.62x39? Looking to grab a new bolt gun for the woods
Both are good close-range options. 7.62x39 is cheap, cheap, cheap, but you'll get more energy from 350 Legend.
Man I gotta say that expansion is pretty underwhelming. I've been surprised at the the results when using this cartridge in the field. At this point it seems like there are so many other hunting loads out there that perform a little better than this. Backstory- I've shot doe and hogs with the 6.5 creed American Whitetail cartridge with very mixed results. It's relatively accurate but the terminal performance has been inconsistent in my limited experience. I neck shot one hog and it didn't do the trick and had to brain it with a 9mm. Base of neck shot on a doe did the same...had to walk up and cut its throat. Another pig it dropped with a neck shot.
It's an ok round for hunting but the mixed results has me thinking I'll try something else. Thanks for the informative video.
We need a heads up comparison like this but with a 5.56 and the 350 Legend! Which one is more devastating at 200 yards. Most people wont be hunting or defending beyond that distance unless you live out West.
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If you had to choose one box for hunting would you choose Winchester power point 180 or the Hornady 170 grain ? I can’t afford both. Thanks
Winchester all the way. It expands reliably, shoot accurately, and dumps its energy beautifully.
Does not look like the Hornady is not working very well for deer. Thanks for the testing
This is a little tricky. I used 10% gel in these tests as an analog for swine flesh, but deer are stouter. A 20% gel test might yield a more mushroomed bullet.
This cartridge seems to punch deep regularly. I wanted to use it in a short barrel (under 10") build but it seems pretty overkill for any kind of defense work. sheesh
I've wondered what a 350 Legend pistol would be like. It would probably blind everybody.
I think if you reload you could probably get it to do some pretty cool stuff.
My 10.5 pistol don't flash bad and still thumps great down range
@@waynereid9881 Im concerned with the insane penetrations it gets up close. Hopefully never need to know but what-if
@Manorscape Gardening definitely not a HD caliber like you stated it's going to keep on keeping on
Killed 4 deer with this already. 3 dropped on the spot. One went about 70 yards. Massive blood trail.
I did encounter some feeding issues, which i sorted. Wasnt the ammo.
Mags?
@@SocialRegressive I have a Faxon barrel on an AR upper. It would feed all the Winchester, but choked about one in three or four Hornady 165 ftx or 170gr softpoints. I think the feed ramps are too steep and probably need some polishing (which will wait until deer season is over).
I tested all the mags (Duramax, ARstoner, CMMG), same issue. They are all identical (I read somewhere even made by the same company and rebranded).
I cut about 1/4" off the feed lips of the magazine, it fixed the problem. Lets the cartridge raise and release earlier. I saw a yt video about polishing the chamber too. I am a little leery of that since it could cause headpace issues.
btw CMMG says they have "proprietary" feed ramp angle - so maybe they figured this out before everyone else.
One other thing I would note is that since I fixed the feed issue accuracy went up dramatically. I think improper feeding pushes or torques the bullet, creating inconsistent / crooked presentation to the rifling. Even if it feeds in the chamber, if its ramming against the feed ramp it could be jamming the bullet. 350 Legend seating in the brass seems... fragile lol.. Before, accuracy with the Hornady 165 ftx and Winchester 160 was dogshit, now its about 1.3-1.5 MOA in my upper. Hornady 170 sp printed the best for me so I went with that. Not presicion but good enough for deer out to 200yds.
How is less than 7% expansion "excellent" when another round (150gr Deer Season) achieves 80% expansion? Seems like anything above 160gr is either moving too slowly or bad bullet design, and they all fail to expand properly and cause an ice pick instead. I have SS109 for that.
Now I'm wondering if it's just the velocity differences or mainly construction causing that failure. Been watching these while considering a 12" 350 upper for an AR pistol. If the bullets still expand, seems like it would be the perfect balance for a youth deer gun.
My vote is, that bullet design is too heavily constructed for the velocity. The light weigjt pistol bullets are to lightly constructed for the higher velocity.
Are there any copper bullet offerings available yet? I feel a Barnes bullet would me devastating
I'm testing some Lehigh handloads now.
@@SocialRegressive what bullet diameter are these? I’m guessing .358 dia bullets won’t work for it?
They have to be between 0.355 and 0.357. Some folks are swaging 0.358.
Building a 350 now / 20in faxon bbl / aero upper / suprelative adj gas block / epsion vx6 brake / waiting n ammo!
How is the ammo supply out there?
@@SocialRegressive ammo sales are limited most shops(1 or 2 boxes) i finally found legend at Midway - limited t 4 boxes - i can use to zero and function test- love your analysis
Thanks, Frank!
What mount are you using with the scope?
For this particular round, did you figure out your bullet drop from 100 to 200 yards?
Yes; it was roughly 1.5 Mils.
For deer win. Deer season 150 grain is awesome
Hey hsm has some 350 legend in a 147gr hollow point. Please test that!
Sir I was wondering if you have done a test on the 170 grn fury bullet. I have been hand loading the 170 grn Hornady very accurate bullet but doesn't seem to open up much. Shot it through 4 milk jugs full of water any help would be great thanks again sir
Aside from a couple of pistol bullets this is the only Hornady bullet I've been able to test. I'd like to try their tipped bullet, but I can't find it around here.
@@SocialRegressive midway has some I would like to find a better bullet the ftx blow up to easy
What about 270 american whitetail
Seems like someone needs some R&D on bullets for this round.
Im not impressed with any of the expansion on any of these.
Same
The 150s seem to work out.
Same seems like these ammo brands are half assing it just bc everything sells rn
Honestly, that expansion was poor.
I would love to see some Swift A-Frame 180 grain bullets loaded to see how they perform.
I intend to find out as soon as they are back in stock.
Please let us know how the test goes!
Those are the only rounds my BCA upper won't feed
No big loss. I like the winchesters better.
Just built a 350 legend but can't shoot it because I'm still waiting on magazines to get here. 😪
Did you order the new 20-round mags?
@@SocialRegressive I bought two 10 rounders...here in Ohio we can only have 3 rounds loaded during deer season. She runs great with the duramags. Appreciate the effort in your videos between you and ap2020 is what motivated me to build this rifle in the 350 legend.
Most of the projectiles I e seen look like they would be awesome on pigs. Leave it at home for the white tail though. I think I'd load it with 125-140 grain XTP'S.
XTP testing is on the way!
I killed 2 deer with the 180gr Winchester Power Points and they worked very well. Complete pass through and a dead deer after the blood trail. I'm going to try the 165gr Deer Season ammo this upcoming season.
Those bullets acted more like a solid or hard cast bullet. Nothing I would hunt with for deer . There not a enough speed behind the bullet to mushroom.
Im shooting 150 grain but im going to chainge to 170 grain. What would be the drop at 100 yards
One of the nice things about 350 legend is that the trajectory of all the ammo I tested is nearly identical in the short game. If I zeroed for 100 yards, just about everything hit the same 1-1.2 mrad at 200 yards.
@@SocialRegressive box is 200yd Z. 4.5"- at 100
Have you experienced FTF w/ the CMMG ar?
Great question. I have only seen failures-to-feed when trying to run handloads that had bullets that were too flat on the nose. Or when running the subsonics (too little energy to fully send the BCG home).
Expansion on this is pretty poor. It's not going fast enough. American Whitetail in other calibers mushrooms like crazy from other tests i've seen.
Would this ammo good for white tail deer
Yes. It will cause havok and likely exit, leaving a solid blood trail if your animal doesn't just drop from all the aforementioned havok.
Do.more videos on the 350 legend
I don't think it mushroomed out very well at all that was a bad review on that bullet
Further proof Hornsby bullets are shit 😂
Be careful of this ammo it almost blew my gun up hornady said too bad
Crikey. What happened? Was the brass too short?
@@SocialRegressive a couple of the hornady rounds seemed hotter. Then the last one broke a lug off the bolt and marred the barrel extension. No bolt goes in it now. Winchester and federal did not bulge, get stuck in the chamber and blow gas around the primers like hornady. Hornady said oh not a factory gun, hobby gun, no ammo to send back so too bad.
350 legend...
always
too fast, to light, too hard
keep ruining your deer...
gonna be a lot of tracking wounded animals. piss poor round.
The problematic expansion is due to the bullet jacket being too stout. The lighter pistol bullets jackets are thiner thus over expand and tend to separate. 350 Legend velocity is far greater than a .357 magnum with any bullet loading, yet they expand very well.....hense my point.