What Happened with Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia?
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2021
- In this video, I’ll tackle the development history behind many aspects Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia is widely known for, such as its origins, name, staff, mechanics, characters, difficulty, gameplay and story. It also talks about the core differences between Fire Emblem Gaiden and this game. Similar to the videos on Fire Emblem: Three Houses and Fire Emblem: Fates, this video focuses on how the classic story of Alm and Celica was remade as Echoes.
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To give a short answer: It restored my faith in the series after Fates. I ought to dust off my N3DS and resume playing it sometime.
I loved Echoes, one of my fav games of all time.
It is probably my favorite Fire Emblem game, at least from the ones I have played so far. (I have only played the 3DS games, 3Houses and halfway through FE7)
It’s my personal favorite game in the series. Despite its flaws, I enjoyed it a lot. I even made it a yearly tradition to replay the game on the exact day it came out in the US.
This game might not be as complex as others like Three Houses or Genealogy, but you can’t deny the love and care that was poured into it, from major overhauls with the story and why certain things happen, to tweaks to the gameplay to make it similar to Fates and Awakening while also trying to make it feel like the original. Not a perfect game, but it’s still a great remake.
This. I love this game so much and I always end up saying a mash of stuff like this trying to explain why I like it so much to my friends, hope we get more “echoes” in the future
It is my 3rd favorite game in the franchise (after genealogy and Thracia) and holds a special place in my heart as it was the fire emblem game I picked up during the first weeks of the pandemic and I was suffering from an injury at the time, after years of not playing one and made me fall in love with the franchise again. With all of its flaws (the maps Jesus) I will always love this game
It's my favorite FE and always will be,
Good games don't necessary need complexity. Still, Valentia has one glaring problem and that's the simplistic map design. There's a lot of tactical complexity missing when armies start a battle almost at each other's toes. I consider this a bigger problem than the lack of town building, romancing or other missing superfluous feature present in the newest games. Also, archers can fire in melee?
@@mhjmstultiens I think its great that archers can fire in melee, since it helps them be an actually a useful class for once. IMO basically the only game in the series where I would say they are good in general.
The maps do suck ass though
Honestly this game made me love the series even more, Hidari's artstyle is such a perfect fit for capturing Echoes's aesthetic. Hopefully they use the same artist for future Echoes games!
I like how he made the cast look as a whole, they don't look like generic villagers or soldiers but they have this overall look that perfectly captures how their culture and time period in their world influences the way dress, look, and act of the battlefield so you can say "oh they came from this place around this time period, I can believe that". I greatly appreciate little details like that.
@@johnathanedwards9054 I agree plus with the art style for their character portraits they give (at least to me) the appearance of something that's aged ( the portraits I mean). Which I like since it's almost a indirect nod to the games origin.
Echoes was a perfect remake to make a game not known and very hidden brought to life and make memorable memories and beautiful characters that are now fan favs. Echoes is one of the most very special and unique FE in the series. Hope the to see judgral and tellius echoes as they are also very special and beautiful games in the series with wonderful characters and amazing stories.
I wish that the new nintendo direct made an announcement regarding a new FE game even if it was a remake of an older game, still excited for Bayonetta 3 though.
Is no one going to mention the class art that's behind the character portraits?
I personally find them astonishing, adding a flair of antiquity (for some reason, it reminds me a bit of ancient greek vase art)
Easily the best art in the entire franchise, I really hope they hire the character designer again
@@Tyler-ob4qp Agreed.
@@Tyler-ob4qp yes!
I think its no exaggeration to say SoV is an artistic masterpiece when it comes to its music and artsyle.
Do you know where I can find these images online when I try to search for them I only get the character portions not the class art behind them.
@@rugvedkulkarni1593 nope. I've been trying to find them and have found nothing thus far
Shadows of Valentia is one of my favorite Fire Emblem games along with Giaden, the coolest part to me is that when Alm or Celica enters a dungeon they narrate about it, Especially Alm I love his voice actor.
Fun fact , if you played nier automata , alms voice actor does nines
He also voices the “Greetings Professor! Nothing to report!” Character in Three Houses.
I still Celicant believe how good they made Echoes while retaining so much of the original game's design.
too much so even the map was 1:1, still loved it though
I'm gonna use Celicant from now on
I think the one thing I loved the most about Gaiden/Echoes was how the dungeons and town exploring made this feel like an actual adventure. Most FEs are just "jackass starts war, prince goes to war, makes friends, wins." Gaiden/Echoes did have a war, but it didn't feel like one. The large amounts of monsters instead of just "Mass Produced Soldier A" might have balanced that out too though.
"Conrad was inspired by Batman" makes a lot of sense and yet is also one of the most bizarre sentences I've ever heard
I really hope Hidari comes back to work on a new remake. His art-style is just gorgeous!
I may not be that familiar with Gaiden's remake, but it doesn't take much effort to see just how much heart (and/or soul) the game oozes and how the devs had a blast with it.
This is one of my favorite games of all time and definitely my favorite FE. If anyone is on the fence about the story and characters just look up the scene with Lukas and Fernand. As for the gameplay, a lot of people consider the map design bad but the maps and enemies made me feel like there were forces I had to overcome. It wasn't just PvE where the player always wins. The enemies could do things the player couldn't and breaching some of their defenses required committing fully and taking risks or risk being overwhelmed. I really felt like the underdog when entering Rigel due to the story and gameplay, and I really enjoyed myself.
in addition, those risks and forces were softened by the turnwheel, meaning that although you still needed to strategize, a stray warp, crit, or overextension is not as punishing as a restart for any rather long map. for me, that further encourages the unique gameplay and strategies you described, which would be difficult to implement as a design on shorter and easier maps, rather than nullifying the point of classic mode.
The thing about breaching their defenses is definitely true. God the map with the long hallways filled with bow users was a pain in the ass in the best way possible
At this point, Echoes is my personal favorite fire emblem game. I hope another game gets the echoes treatment soon
I've always wanted a Genealogy Echoes Game. I feel like it would lend itself well to the modern Fire Emblem "Waifu Simulator" Gameplay with the way it has in-depth child units.
Erynis thighs
Fe 4 remake: Time to go on memeing again Arden!
Kakage as the artist (well at least the girls) please.
Hope they add a few new characters in for funsies.
@@nore5888 Ayra tiddy
Echoes even if flawed is one of my favourite games ever made it's got the best story in the series and OST imo and a cast I just love. This game has one of the biggest hearts I've seen a game have.
don't forget the amazing artwork as well!
I think Alm's first concept design looks pretty cool, I wish Feh would re use it for something in the future
As someone that just started playing Fire Emblem with Awakening, I wasn't that excited for the Echoes at all. Once it launched, I absolutely fell in love with the play style and the characters. Definitely one of my favorite FE games nowadays. This video is just making me want to re-re-re-re-play it lol
SoV gave feels like when I played Sacred Stones, my intro to fire emblem. It may not be the hardest fire emblem, but it's definitely one of the most enjoyable. Gives me hope for the next remake.
When rating games personally I always consider an extra parameter I call "Love", and SoV is always one of the first examples that come to mind.
It's impossible to quantify Love but I'm sure we instinctively feel when a game has been made with a lot of care, attention and emotional investment by the creators. A commercial product designed to follow trends and sell copies (even if it's objectively good) would be the opposite.
I like that they took inspiration for Thebes from Gold and Silver. Soulsilver was my first Pokémon game, so it’s all I thought of when I went to archanea in Echoes
Shadows of Valentia was such a great little game. I really love after so many decades had built up, they pretty much threw that all away beyond a few things and let us play with the core mechanics of Gaiden that are so weird compared to all other games. I smashed through this in 2017 when it came out. I'm still working on Fates (all 3 routes, but still). I think that says a lot.
Echoes is my favorite fire emblem game, speaking as a player since 2004. Thanks so much for being a fellow super-fan who can cover it in detail for fans like me!
Thank god this game came out. I loved the artwork and the music that was made for Echoes.
The story was phenomenal, and really felt like a darker Fire Emblem plot.
The gameplay is meh, but the mechanics were interesting.
This game is fantastic.
Great video, with some interesting tidbits for sure. It’s rare for a developer to be so blunt about inspiration from other works, but these guys are perfectly willing to say “We wanted something like Pokemon/Batman
I loved Echoes! In fact even though Awakening was my first FE game I liked Echoes even more than Awakening and Fates. Plus the DLC classes were absolutely gorgeous and strong. I felt like an army of gods destroying the enemy units.
Since we're on the subject I wanted to thank you Ghast for loving this game so much. It was your playthrough that got me obsessed with it years before I ever got to play it. I finally got to try it last year while quarantined for my school and the game really helped me survive those many days completely alone. This is all thanks to you. Have an amazing day! 😁😁
Echoes is my favorite game in the series. It’s presentation and story was just incredible, and even though it’s combat was more simplified I loved it.
Edit: Oh! The music too! My favorite. It’s so good.
One of the best changes in Echoes that you might know if you played Gaiden was that they randomally made Nuibaba a woman for no reason. It's just so hilarious that they'd change a random boss with not much meaning so drastically. I'm pretty sure in the original he even copied some other boss's portrait.
Gotta get that female villain with *ahem* revealing assets in there somewhere.
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Hey Ghast, just wanted to comment that your passion for this game has always resonated with me and it has made me love the game even more :) I hope we get to see more of Echoes as well!
Between Gerome and Conrad, I think it's safe to say someone at IS is a big Batman fan.
As much as I liked fates and three houses echoes was the right game at the right time for me I couldn't put it down and enjoyed gaiden all over again as I'd played the translation on emulator when I was starting to play the fire emblem games. This is so fascinating to Learn about the game I still stand by echoes being the best modern FE game it it just is amazing.
Its aesthetic is just absolutely flawless.
It’s too bad this game didn’t sell better. Absolutely the best FE on 3DS. Love these development history videos!
I loved Echoes. It did have its moments of 'this is just trying to make me angry' difficulty; but as a whole production it was just a fantastic game. I still have the special edition's free poster in my hallway (haha). It also gave me murder-Delthea who never got less than 3 stats on a level-up, and always got MAG and SPD lol.
Anyone else remember ghast’s reaction to FE Echoes?
IMO, This is how to make a Remake! I literally felt the story while playing this
I likes the system more than fates but wouldn't say echoes is a top favorite I played. I like all the add ons to the cast but felt it was too true to the original and not allow more to do with the cast having 1 or 2 support lines at most. That's where fire emblem gets me in building a cast I can learn to care for like awakening did.
I hope they remake genealogy of the holy war one day. If 3 houses can have such depth to it then we have the tools to expand on a political struggle sigurd went through and the timeline skip function for a second cast too.
Shadows of Valentia is the best remake I've ever played, it pays a lot of respect to the original and it enhances it in every possible way. It should be the norm of how any remake for any game should be developed.
Great bit of researching bro! Inever knew they changed so much from the original, yet stayed true to it's feel. Really enjoyed this vid.
I would love for them to release more Echoes games to (re)experience these older games in a modern coat of paint
Personally I think “Echoes” is a genius idea for the naming convention of Remakes or Remasters of this level.
I don’t know what I would be doing without Genny in my life. She’s so pure, I feel foolish for never knowing about her until Echoes was made.
Honestly, that ending scene where they show Mila's tree growing, but mention one tree for each god, was such a Wham Line. Because you realize that Mila's tree flourished and became absolutely massive by the time of Awakening...but Duma's burned, becoming the site of a volcano feared by those living near it, the Demon's Ingle. Even in the eternal slumber of death, Duma wanted to be nothing like Mila, and demanded strength of those who would dare approach him.
It was also that moment that made me realize that the map "Duma's Gate" was the same structure that became the Great Gate in Inigo's paralogue, and that's what made it really set in, that Alm's legacy was so massive and long-standing that man and nation over time literally became one-Valentia + Alm = Valm. And that nation lasted _all the way to the events of Awakening._ Say what you will about Marth being a Hero-King, _that_ is the definition of a legacy right there.
As a Pokemon fan, I think it's pretty cool that Thabes Laybrinth was in reference to Pokemon GSC. ^.^
What's this? A video about my favorite Fire Emblem game? YES PLEASE!! 😁
I was not aware how many members of the cast were added in the remake 😯
And inspiration from Batman and Pokemon? Very cool 😁
Shining example of how to do a remake
Echoes is an awesome game, I second that. 👍
The cutscenes are just gorgeous, though Alm's speech to the army right before that one battle was a lot more epic as a clip in an AMV.
I really loved this video, thank you!
When it comes to the Fire Emblem games in the 3DS, they all have a very special place in my heart.
My first exposure to Fire Emblem was of course, Melee Marth and Roy. Eventually buying on my Wii out of curiosity Radiant Dawn. Little did I know that such a hard game, would become one of my favorites. I remember feeling the cruelty of switching back to Micaiahs Army after Ikes and realizing I was screwed lol.
Awakening, as easy as it was, it was a great starting point for new fans. Fates, even though it is quite conflicting, I loved the Amiibo support, and the Conquest route. And Echoes, it is just beautiful.
Overall, how not to fall in love with this franchise.
Shame me all you want but this is my first (real) Fire Emblem game after being introduced to franchise by Feh Heroes and this game encouraged to pick up Awakening then 3 Houses. Also it introduced me to Hidari art and the most beautifully drawn dragon to date, Mila so I'm good.
Pretty good video, I was hoping if you can do something like this to Awakening.
The team in charge of echoes development really work to improove gaiden foundations. I didn't realise that until I watch your video
3:43 loved the cutscenes and was blown away to learn it was by Khara and the mastermind Anno
Dang They really decked out this game with features didn’t they, I remember really liking this game when I played it but I might have to go back to it so I can appreciate all this again
Also I remember how my jaw dropped when I first heard Heritors of Arcadia during the credits
Echoes is still my second favourite Fire Emblem game, right below Blazing Blade. Its just so good!
The only thing I majorly disliked about it was the heavy change to Duma Shrine, which was in Gaiden the best endgame in all of Fire Emblem imo.
Duma Shrine in Gaiden is absolute cancer, but that’s the point. It’s a final tedious push to the end.
blazing blazing
Echoes was pretty much my first FE game, as playing FE7 on my school's chromebook on a random site and having no saves didn't get me far. Echoes was my first FE game that I got(was a B-day gift), and in turn, completed. I loved the story, art, and voice acting!! All of the character cast was amazing, I love them all so much!! If I had to pick favorites, I'd go with Mae and Boey. They're just so adorable, and their interactions!!!
I loved this game to bits, still my favourite Fire Emblem in every aspect, and one of my favourite games of all time
Echos was the first fire emblem game I played, and I still love it.
Echoes is a beautiful game, it almost felt like fate that everything lined up like it did. I hope someday I can experience a game like this again.
I started on awakening and almost dropped on fates, this was my favorite entry in the series and made me play more of fire emblem
Damn, that's a lot of neat information. Fire Emblem getting influenced by Pokemon and Batman? That's cool.
I'd love to see more videos covering the process of making each game. Keep up the good work!
Nice facts bro. Echoes is one of my favorite games and it is nice to learn about some development trivia. Also Kliff is hot :3
Everything I've ever wanted or didn't even know I wanted in a video game, I got in Fire Emblem Echoes
13:20 Is it just me or does Tatiana's overclass look almost exactly like Palutena?
FE Echoes is my personal favorite fire emblem game! I don't ever hear anyone talk about it sadly
Replaying it for a second time but on hard. And ah, I now appreciate it a ton more than when I first played it. Easily one of my favorites.
Man i love Hidari so much. I'm playing all the Atelier games just for the three where they did the art lol.
Also this game made Ian Sinclair my favorite voice actor.
Loved this video, echoes is one of my favorites games of FE franchise. Thanks
I still remember you crying at the reveal more than 3 and a half years ago.
One of the best Fire emblem games imo
more shadows of valentia content please! 🥺💖
Honestly it was the first fire emblem game I’ve played and it is the reason I’ve been tryna play all the others as well
Fire emblem echoes is literally my favorite game of all time
i honestly really loved echoes, it really made FE gaiden even better than before with the voice acting and especially the music
i still find it a bit of a shame they didn't keep the dragon's maw traps alm's party part of gaiden as i thought that was really cool for it.
i honestly feel that in regards to future echoes remakes maps, i think they'll likely keep genealogy the same, because every chapter has about 3-4 large castle fortresses to take, which is essentially a chapter within a chapter itself, and the super large maps make sense due to story(yled massacre for example) as its like an actual war.
however for echoes games like FE4 and 5(the ones everyone wants the most next to binding blade, i really hope for jugdral one day.), i really hope they fix some of the softlock flaws in genealogy and thracia.
like for FE4, they most definitely need to have a scene for "if quan and ethlyn live the yled massacre, defeating travant" and allow them to be recruitable in that event because it was possible in the original FE4, but caused a softlock if quan reached the castle because he wasn't recruitable
and for FE5, thracia, literally the only thing that needs fixing in FE5 is the softlock chapter where leif is locked up in a cell and mareeta and her allies come to free him. it should deff have the condition of "if any ally dies=game over" before leif is freed, then the condition reverts to if leif dies after his cell is unlocked.
I literally just started replaying this game, oh my god
I'm so lucky that I've randomly found this GAME in my local library.
I loved Echoes. While I may not like it as much as another title or two, I hold it very high regard as the passion poured into it shows. Despite my hangups from the first playthrough or so, I still fondly look back and want to play it again like others I've loved so much. But I am shy to recommend it to those new to the series as my hangup on maps during the story have some flops. But definitely not shy to share with some fun information of the characters. Glad to learn the exploration was a cut feature used in a later title. Rarely went down to the world in Fates My Castle, just checked in and out. The additions certainly made my experience a great one and I LOVE Fernand and Berkut
12:19 Yes, YES, now PLEASE continue to do that again with new real characters!
Awesome Video about a game that deseeves this love. It's always great to see some insight on development and more details on games. SoV has a special feeling to it and I hope we will get another one with similiar looks and the same kind of... magic it has.
My favorite Fire Emblem game, hands down.
Been a Fire Emblem fan since 12 year old me discovered Sacred Stones on the GBA. Since then I've played every single Fire Emblem released in the west all the way through, and I have to say, Shadows of Valentia is literally my favorite, as far as story goes anyways. I actually have a hard time deciding between Valentia, 3H, and PoR, but these days I usually feel Valentia is my favorite. Alm and Celica are such amazing protagonists, their stories show their growth throughout the game. I think only 3H made me cry about as much as this game did. I just wish Alm and Celica were featured more among the main Fire Emblem protagonists.
Never played the original game, but absolutelly loved this remake. My favorite Fire Emblem along with Three Houses.
Well to get the original experience, just imagine all the worst parts of Echoes and make them all way worse while having most of the cutscenes removed and that's pretty much the Gaiden experience...
@@V-Jes as someone who actually played Gaiden twice, I can ensure you this dude has no idea about the original game - game modes /design & gameplay differ vastly from Echoes. I get the whining obout the QOL stuff. it's a game from 1992 - surprise!
Despite the map design (then again it’s the map design from Gaiden), Echoes is truly one of the gems of the franchise.
Every time I see talk ot mention of Echoes I drop in. This was interesting to watch.
This video made me realize that Ghast had not yet made his Gaiden LP when the last Bloodlines patch came out. Really curious to see how these games may have influenced Bloodlines’ development
Fascinating
SOV was my first FE game and I enjoyed it a lot. Then I got Fates which isn't the same and not as fun in my opinion. 3 houses was good, I realize I like the freedom of moving around my character. Fates only let you do that in the tiny little home instance
I think echoes was the second FE I beat, got the game for my birthday pretty soon after it came out, didn’t put it down. Absolutely blew me away. It’s so funny thinking about all the things that felt revolutionary back then. dungeon crawling, weapon arts, full voice acting, the animations, the sprite work. I skipped fates, so going from awakening, it felt like I was playing the future.
I encourage everyone who hasn't read it yet to look up Nakanishi's interview about how much Gaiden meant to him and his father. It's really touching and explains why this game in particular has so much heart. It was truly a passion project.
(On a related note, I really can't stress enough how beautiful it is that this game remained so faithful to the original. Gaiden can seem like such a broken game, yet the director understood that "no, this game is GOOD actually!" and just by adding some tweaks to make game more fluid, boom, even the weird map designs and terrain bonuses make sense! What a king.)
Echoes was my first FE game, which I got because it was $20 at GameStop while Birthright was $40 and I was going to get Birthright, but I only had $20 (though I later got Birthright and wasn’t super fond of it). I absolutely loved it, and while that poison swamp map on Celica’s route took me thousands of tries and I actually missed two characters ( Alpha and that priest dude) AND I was so under leveled that I got soft-locked in the final boss, it still made me a Fire Emblem fan (Three Houses is my second favorite btw). I still haven’t beaten that final boss, but I love the game anyway!
It was my first fire emblem game which brought me into the series I really enjoyed it people hate it most of the times but I really enjoyed it the art style and everything was just beautiful I would've liked it more if it were a switch game but I was happy with the 3ds release
Learning about how Pokémon Gold/Silver and even Batman influenced some changes is super cool. More games need secret post game bosses lol
I must admit that Fire Emblem Echoes is my favourite video game of all time.
uploaded 1 minute ago with 8 views and in my recommendations, algorithm likes this one lmao
It’s in my top 4. I love this game. It has my favorite story.
It's fantastic what Echoes' remake did to Gaiden, I consider it one of the most solid written Fire Emblem overall.
The only glaring flaw(besides Faye's writing) is Celica's writing.
And no, I am not talking about her decision on giving her soul to the clearly shady smurf man, that makes passable sense in context because of Mila's spoiling the Zofians to heavily depends on the Gods and not think outside of that box.
What peeves me is them playing Celica as the "wise" one between her and Alm when it's pretty clear Alm hold the braincell here, being far more reasonable and diplomatic than her.
Celica is more... Mischievous and Headstrong? Willful? The kind of friend that sees that you are staring at the edge of the pool for who knows how long because you are hesitating for thinking that the water is maybe too cold and shoves you so you can get over it and take the goddam dip already?
It's weird to say this but FEH's Duo Valentine version did a far better job to showcase her positive traits in contrast to Alm than Echoes did.
Oh and bless Echoes for giving us Clive, he's so underrated, my favorite character, sad he doesn't have an alt yet in Echoes despite being arguably a Deutarogonist after Alm & Celica.
Celica isn't played as brains. She's the more emotional and thoughtful of the two but they're both smart. Even in Gaiden: Alm is very competent and kind. But the remake and original had it where Alm tends to focus on combat with little regard to Valentia as a whole. He even actively denied the idea of Valentia as a whole needing a savior when Gray talked to him in Rigel. He refused to think that Rudolf had any good in him while Celica wanted to believe in the goodness of people.
Nice!
Remember how Ghast lost his shit at that reveal lmao
I like how alm and celiacs brands are a direct parallel to awakenings mark/brand of the exalt.
I wonder though, does the brand continue to exist or without any prophecy or dragon to kill has it gone away?
Besides Mystery many Sequels/Remakes I think? Shadow of Valentia Echoes is our first Remake, Redesigns, new aspects and changes to the original.
Everyone has a personal opinion of which FE game deserved the next remake? In my Opinion it might depends on what game they are focusing on?
Genealogy has a unique Gen 1 and Gen 2 cast which could make a interesting story when remake which it could have show us events of the death of Gen 1 casts and many other tragedies, This one can have potential of massive redesigns from cipher and Feh arts.
Binding Blade or Blazing Blade can get a 2 in 1 or one of them gets a remake itself, if they do both they can do Hair colour changes to Binding Blade Children based off what Supports you give to which characters? like Eliwood and Ninian, Roy bloodline with Ninian would give him better stats and have a Blue streak line from his mother hair colour or a unique skill?
My last pick is Tellius which this game could have a big potential of Story telling adding new prologues and etc. They can add characters who never appeared in Path of Radiance but only in Radiant Dawn have both appears in both games in order to tell a story of what happen, Example with how Tormod and Muriam meet Vika.
Vika never appeared in POR but barely have any role in RD and lack of stats in the finale. they can fix many characters stats and add new features to balance each units, Tellius Remake should have a new story for characters you can't play as, like Zelgius and his backstory or Greil and the 4 Riders?
In perspective each of these games can get a amazing remake and have potential to resurrect the old Gen FE Games, Three Houses has brought back popularity of FE but having a Classic return to modern time can give new Fans have a taste of FE.
This is definitely my favorite Fire Emblem game.