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Love to see a video on how to link to masters together to get better coverage in a larger room! I just got 4 of these and wanting more as they blew anything I have away! Thanks again man!
@@DJRickWeb Oh ok... I thought that was what you were talking about having a second transmitter in the room for wireless DMX. Anywho, still love to see a video on that as well!
The app actually works REALLY well. Your phone becomes a wifi remote and let's you change the lights from anywhere in the room. No need to have to point the remote at the master.
No they are not. You will need a China based transmitter. Such as the ones on our website. You can plug a chauvet dfi receiver into a both lighting transmitter and it will work tho... check out the complete video I made on wireless dmx for more info
great video Rick. I have the Ape Maxi first generation and some Eternal Cube Echo's as well. Definitely considering these lights. Can you run them from your phone or tablet via App control?
I'm super excited to get my hands on some of these. I've been looking for a suitable wireless solution to add some accent lighting to my DJ setup that won't break the bank. I've still been using ADJ megabars with wires, and I'm sick of dealing with them. I love ApeLabs but not willing to throw down that kind of money since my intended purpose is not going to make any money back. This price sounds way more reasonable! Thanks for the great review
I have been doing the upside down loading for charging with the top closed for 4 years now. No issues. Love the cable management, definitely doing that this weekend. The rotating the top is something I wish I would have know years ago. Always thought they were done backwards and hated lights facing out.
When I use an ADJ Airstream DMX Bridge and the Donner wireless transmitter only (not the dongle) on these, I thought there HAD to be a master with the DMX address and the rest in slave mode for this to work. But if I set the DMX address on each light and put them all in slave mode (no master), it works. That make sense?
Thats mainly an action taken by the user. You dont just set the light as a slave or master. If they are on the dmx screen and recieve no input from a dmx source or a ir remote they go to slave. If you input signal from a ir remote it goes into master mode.
you would know this... does nyone make a 180 degree up light. meaning the spread is like half a circle, so you dont have to bring many and do they make a battery powered one? Thanks
There is a light that has diodes facing in like 4 directions that does basically that. The probablem is the light its even and you can see the tri beam of the diodes
I agree with your point on the impressiveness of the s4 size compared to the mini. Also, I cringe when I hear djs say how “easy” the small size makes the job. That’s just asking for clients to second guess our pricing. Djs helping the race to the bottom $. I personally want my client to know how hard I work for them, not how easy it is.
You're doing the same thing you're cringing at others for. According to your logic you should be using the large halogen fixtures still because apparently you don't want your pars to be easy to carry in. End of the day you're all still providing a lightshow. Makes no sense to judge others for wanting to make load ins easier.
S4 seems much bigger but probably best for showcasing certain areas of a venue with pillars etc. Do these and the S4s work on the same remote controller?
Hey Rick, can i use my APE connect wired into one of the IR4’s as master to then control the rest wirelessly and use my ape labs app to control along with my APE labs lights 🤔 thanks
When you were going thru the wireless DMX channel/group, you were clicking the button, but the colored seemed to be on green for 3 of the channels, it still has all 7 channels that work correctly?
Hey Rick can I detail DMX these if I use the color thingy dongle plugged into my ADJ Airstream DMX. Say if I have one light on channel 1-10 and the next light 11-21 etc you know what I'm asking. Can i really control each light around the room? Thanks
Hey Rick! Question for you. I am going to be ordering 16 of these. I am doing a state fair setup and planned to use them as ceiling wash lights aiming down. Would I be able to plug these into power to keep them charged or would constant power mess the lights up? (If that makes sense) Basically have them charging full time
Hey mate very nice video! About batteries life long lasting ---- S4 vs IR-4 ---- It is a difference? Which one are have the long lasting batteries? Thank you for your videos!
S4 can normally do 2 to 2.5 shows no problem. Ir-4 about 1.5 to 2 shows. Long term the s4 batteries have proven to be solid up to 5 years with minimul change in overal life. The ir-4 is brand new and long term testing will need to be done to see the effects in 2+ years
Hi Rick! Thank you for all your really informative videos on Both lighting products its a massive help... Do you have any experience with the wedge shape uplights that Both Lighting sell? Would love to know what they are like
Well yes we have them but the ones we have here in the states we reserve for our customers so we make sure we have them covered. We can organize shipment of them for you and sell you replacmenets. Hit us up djrickwebinfo@gmail.com
I just received the BO-IR4 and I have them basically figured out except I have them on master/slave and I need to know how to set the IR to off on the slaves so I dont accidentally turn them into masters. Can you tell me thank you
Love the content Rick. Anyone know if it is possible to get any of the both up lights to talk to Chauvet DFi signal? I know I can plug in a DFi receiver but what if there is no DMX input. Can it work with Both Wireless channels?
Thank you for this Rick... I know you're talking about the new IR-4s specifically so I'm sure there are differences. Maybe this should have gone in the S and Sm line comparison video, this is the only video that shows any Both lighting uplights' menu and remotes. I use my new S6 Mini's (thank you for hooking it up) with the Rekordbox RB-DMX1 interface and I am comfortable enough with their performance, but I think I can get better performance out of them once I tweak the software more. Not sure if it's the function of the lighting unit itself or the RB-DMX interface. You mention something about the lack of punch in color change mode in a previous video. Did you manage to figure out what it was? For example, the strobe signal from RB gets a quicker strobe than the fastest setting (99) on the unit's menu. Regarding this video, I've noticed some discrepancies when comparing the IR-4 to the S6m. I can't figure out these menu items on the S6m: - L - on/off - what does this do? - G - on/off - I think this is the wireless DMX on/off) - A### - what does this do? Remote on the S6m: - no "Slave" button on the remote. - no cycle buttons - no speed/sensitivity buttons - no Pulse button Sound Mode: - The manual says there are 4 modes but there is nothing to indicate which specific mode I've selected. - There does not seem to be an indication nor adjustment ability for sound sensitivity. - Using the remote's up/down buttons seems to do nothing on some lights and adjusts the brightness on others. Questions: - If each light is on the same wireless channel, can they be set to different DMX channels to use Master/Slave mode? - Is there a way to save a customized color to access it another time? Can it be accessed on the unit and/or the remote?
Does the "SLAVE" light stay on if it is a slave or does it go off and remain a slave. Or when the slave word pops up do ypou hit enter? thanks for the tutorial
Anyone by chance have a good set of values for producing a champagne color or candlelight color with these lights? Values seem to be a little different than your 0-255 DMX standard for color mixing. Any help would greatly be appreciated! Thanks!
Like you, I think I would prefer the larger S4 for uplighting, but the IR-4 looks like it would make an ideal truss warmer if you narrowed the spread a bit.
When it comes down to business the cost of light trumps all. I have no major issues or complaints with the lgihts so i will not consider spending 4x for a light that i wont make anymore money with
@@DJRickWeb That’s not the point of getting an Ape Labs product. The point is to have actual experience with the genuine product so you can fairly compare them.
Squaaad!! These look incredible! Two questions if you don’t mind. 1) I know you mentioned the wireless range so do you think that the signal from the master in master slave mode would reach all the slave lights in a large wedding ballroom type venue? 2) Can you control brightness via remote in the various modes as well? Or is brightness control only possible during the solid color modes. Thanks!!
Wow these are impressive. I just was looking at the Rockville Mini RF4 which look similar but rather than DMX screen have the RF control with 4 different groupings, like Ape Labs. Any idea if Both lighting has something in the works that’s similar? I’m deciding between those Rockville and the IR4 right now!
Hey Rick. How are you? I hope you and your family are doing well. I was wondering how this company compares to the Rockville company? I have a few Rockville lights and they are ok for being a budget light. Thank you for your time and have a great day. #SQUAD
There the same. Rockville buys there lights from both lighting. They just get the brand stamped on all them. Rockville is both lightings biggest customer lol
Rick I appreciate your videos man, any options for folks like myself that just bought 10-S6s to upgrade or trade in??? I’ve had for 4 months now and would like to get a lighter setup. Your best advice please. Maybe some folks are in the same predicament. Thanks and keep up the great content!
good review and comparison! I watched the RF-04 review last week and this pop-up in my list... should we expect with antenna soon since you highlighted this missing item? :) but again great stuff!
Because you can do master slave with rf. As every light in a rf setup acts as a master. With ir you put at the one master to avoid having multiple masters. Which multiple masters would lead to light confusion
I just did, too. Did you receive a confirmation email with an ETA (and/or a tracking number)? I just received a "thank you for your order, we'll let you know when the lights ship" and that's it. No idea if the units are in stock or if there's a 6 month lead time. My CC however was charged instantly...
@@Realdjheisenberg I recall an update stating these new IR-4s will ship on March 1st. I don’t see the update here or on the website though. C’mon Rick 😬😂
@@DJRickWeb Thanks for the reply. Is good to make clear that the red channel on the RF4s is actually the cyan channel. The transmitter on red and the RF4 on Cyan for it to connect. (Sorry if I missed that on the video, sometimes I skip 😅)
@@DJRickWeb cool. I have many small parties where I bring 4 or 8 s4s and just light up around my gear and that’s the basic lighting for the gig. I would get 8 of these IR4s to use as basic lighting and keep the 16 S4s for around the room
It would be awsome if you could compare the Rockville Mini RF4 with the Bothlighting IR-4. The Rockville have RF remote and 4 different groups (just like the ape labs), but no DMX address. The bothlighting IR-4 have DMX address but only IR remote. From what I can tell none can do both DMX and master-slave at the same time, so if you control them using wireless DMX, you're out of luck once they are out of range. The ape labs have infinite range (the fixtures speak to each other). It's really a tough choice, but all in all I believe the Bothlighting IR-4 do offer the best compromise solution. The only draw back I see with them is the limited range when using the wireless DMX. If you are not using wireless DMX, then the Rockville Mini RF4 are the obvious choice because the remote does everything and you can set up 4 different groups, like the Ape labs. Both of them have limited range and don't seem to "talk" to each other, so that's a wash. So in my mind: wireless controler = Bothlighting is the winner. Remote control = Rockville is the winner. If cost is not an issue, Ape Labs is the winner.
This is 💯 I think you hit the nail on the head. Great breakdown!! I’m personally trying to avoid wireless DMX to keep things simple for my solo op if I can so was leaning towards Rockville’s. I heard from another DJ that the Rockville’s do the same color changes, fades, jumps etc within their groups when they are in specific modes but I haven’t tested that out. I may buy the Rockville’s and see if the lights really do coordinate within their groups. If they don’t, I’ll go with the IR4s and their master slave IR function to control lights with the master near me (though like you mention I worry about DMX signal range with master slave when the master is right next to me).
I think if the goal is to use wireless DMX then there’s no comparison - IR4 is the winner. The IR4 master slave functionality also does leave the option for remote control only use so that’s nice to have. Similarly, the Rockville RF4 Mini has its limited wireless DMX on channel 01 in case someone would ever want to do basic DMX as well. So it’s like they each do one thing (DMX for IR4 and remote for Rockville) well, but still have work arounds.
The rockville rf-4 is the both lighting rf-4 as both lighting makes all the lights for rockville......... and that is not true about the rockville rf-4. The RF -4 does have dmx it works on the red wireless channel and dmx channel 1 only. The rf-4 remote has a shorter range than the master slave range on the ir-4 so having one master beside you will be better. Plus with the rf-4 when you activate sound active they all do there own thing. Vs the ir-4 in master slave they all copy the master. So remote should 100% be ir-4 winner
I think the S4's look so much sleeker. I prefer the appearance of those to the bulkier S6's. I think they look more modern and less obtrusive, you could probably charge more $$ for uplighting now lol On a serious note I love the fact that you can now change the channel and they fixed the remote/sound active synced issue and they are available in white! Def need to order a couple cases of these ones now.
Hey can u make a video on your sound switch. Why u switch from show express to sound switch? Do these lights have soundswitch preset channels? With the moving heads. Can u control the sparks from soundswitch?
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These are sick and thanks to you guys I am now an official dealer!
Head over to BothLightingUSA.com
For details and pricing! (Best Deal Guaranteed)
When you order through us you get a 2 year no question asked warranty!
SQUAD!!! Awesome video Rick, I’m thinking about purchasing these lights!!
Keep up the good work!!
my dear friend, greetings! Please tell me how much does the battery hold? Is it enough for a standard event? 5 - 6 hours ?
Yes typically can expect 8 to 9 hours of use
Squad!!! ...from the U.S. Virgin Islands 🇻🇮
Love to see a video on how to link to masters together to get better coverage in a larger room! I just got 4 of these and wanting more as they blew anything I have away! Thanks again man!
You cant have two masters.
@@DJRickWeb Oh ok... I thought that was what you were talking about having a second transmitter in the room for wireless DMX. Anywho, still love to see a video on that as well!
@SV6Mustang yeah second transmitter is different. You put a dmx reciever and transmitter together. That makes it able to oush farther.
The app actually works REALLY well. Your phone becomes a wifi remote and let's you change the lights from anywhere in the room. No need to have to point the remote at the master.
I'm planning to use them with chauvet dfi TX. Are they compatible?
No they are not. You will need a China based transmitter. Such as the ones on our website. You can plug a chauvet dfi receiver into a both lighting transmitter and it will work tho... check out the complete video I made on wireless dmx for more info
great video Rick. I have the Ape Maxi first generation and some Eternal Cube Echo's as well. Definitely considering these lights. Can you run them from your phone or tablet via App control?
No you cant
I'm super excited to get my hands on some of these. I've been looking for a suitable wireless solution to add some accent lighting to my DJ setup that won't break the bank. I've still been using ADJ megabars with wires, and I'm sick of dealing with them. I love ApeLabs but not willing to throw down that kind of money since my intended purpose is not going to make any money back. This price sounds way more reasonable! Thanks for the great review
Definitely need a video on daisy chain!
SQUAD. How would I connect this to a phone or iPad app?
The app doesnt work grest
I got very confused when you changed the original name of the model. IR4 = RF Mark II.
Why did they change from RF to IR in a newer model? /Patrick
The remote control function is no longer rf (radio frequency) its ir ( infared)
I respect the honest review compared to the s4 🤝🏾
when are you going have those shirts back in stock webb?
I am not. I never restock a deisgn after it sells out
I have been doing the upside down loading for charging with the top closed for 4 years now. No issues. Love the cable management, definitely doing that this weekend. The rotating the top is something I wish I would have know years ago. Always thought they were done backwards and hated lights facing out.
Big Thanks Rick from Md. SQUAD
Perhaps a stupid question - but does it matter if it's in slave or master mode if using wireless DMX?
In wireless dmx mode no. Only matters for using ir control with the remote in master slave mode
I just got mine today and they amazing.. thanks for this video 🙏🙏
Not seeing the case of 8 on the website 🤔
would the ir4s be compatible with rockville's dmx controller?
Yes should be.
SQUAD!! Definitely picking up some of these soon!
Does it work with adj mydmxgo?
Yes just setup a custom profile
When I use an ADJ Airstream DMX Bridge and the Donner wireless transmitter only (not the dongle) on these, I thought there HAD to be a master with the DMX address and the rest in slave mode for this to work. But if I set the DMX address on each light and put them all in slave mode (no master), it works. That make sense?
Yes. With wireless dmx the adj bridge is your master.
@@DJRickWeb Gotcha... thanks Rick. Love the vids! Avid subscriber.
Do the lights remember between uses or do you have to reset the slave / master setting everytime?
Thats mainly an action taken by the user. You dont just set the light as a slave or master. If they are on the dmx screen and recieve no input from a dmx source or a ir remote they go to slave. If you input signal from a ir remote it goes into master mode.
you would know this... does nyone make a 180 degree up light. meaning the spread is like half a circle, so you dont have to bring many and do they make a battery powered one? Thanks
There is a light that has diodes facing in like 4 directions that does basically that. The probablem is the light its even and you can see the tri beam of the diodes
I agree with your point on the impressiveness of the s4 size compared to the mini. Also, I cringe when I hear djs say how “easy” the small size makes the job. That’s just asking for clients to second guess our pricing. Djs helping the race to the bottom $. I personally want my client to know how hard I work for them, not how easy it is.
Agree.
You're doing the same thing you're cringing at others for. According to your logic you should be using the large halogen fixtures still because apparently you don't want your pars to be easy to carry in. End of the day you're all still providing a lightshow. Makes no sense to judge others for wanting to make load ins easier.
@@the_sound_of_art no. My point was not to brag about how easy it is. I am all for technological advances and using them to the max.
@@sullivan44 That's fair I apologize for misunderstanding
Who tells a client how easy the job is? Lol
SQUAD! Great video!
As always thanks for the review and honesty
S4 seems much bigger but probably best for showcasing certain areas of a venue with pillars etc. Do these and the S4s work on the same remote controller?
No they do not
I have donner wireless but cant seem to connect them can u give me a step by step to connect them
So if I have 7 RF units all in slave, and 1 IR master.
I can control the rest via the one IR?
Correct.
How much are the new RF4 lights??
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Squad! Love your content
Thanks
Very nice. Proper DMX was what the OG minis were missing. You're gonna sell these like hotcakes.
Agree
Great Video. I am going start with these the eventually use them for lighting my DJ Booth
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Hey Rick, can i use my APE connect wired into one of the IR4’s as master to then control the rest wirelessly and use my ape labs app to control along with my APE labs lights 🤔 thanks
You have to test that out...
When you were going thru the wireless DMX channel/group, you were clicking the button, but the colored seemed to be on green for 3 of the channels, it still has all 7 channels that work correctly?
Yes all the colors work. The camera caused that issue. The white, teal, and green all look the same to the camera. In person you can see it
Congrats on your website with actual pricing 👍
Thanks
Do you need to plug out any of the lights that finish charging first? Squad
Nope. You can leave them plugged in. Once they all finish your good. They have over charge protection
Good vid. Nice compact light. If I wasn’t so already invested in the ape labs ecosystem, I would definitely consider these
Ape labs keep there value well in reslaes..... lol jk there solid
@@DJRickWeb tempted for sure
Hey Rick can I detail DMX these if I use the color thingy dongle plugged into my ADJ Airstream DMX. Say if I have one light on channel 1-10 and the next light 11-21 etc you know what I'm asking. Can i really control each light around the room? Thanks
Absolutely! You can also over lap channels too. We only use two dmx channels in our programming and just alternate them around the room
Hey Rick!
Question for you. I am going to be ordering 16 of these. I am doing a state fair setup and planned to use them as ceiling wash lights aiming down. Would I be able to plug these into power to keep them charged or would constant power mess the lights up? (If that makes sense)
Basically have them charging full time
You can absolutely plug them in constant. I have had some install companies purchase them and remove the batteries and just run constant power before
Hey mate very nice video!
About batteries life long lasting ---- S4 vs IR-4 ---- It is a difference? Which one are have the long lasting batteries?
Thank you for your videos!
S4 can normally do 2 to 2.5 shows no problem. Ir-4 about 1.5 to 2 shows. Long term the s4 batteries have proven to be solid up to 5 years with minimul change in overal life. The ir-4 is brand new and long term testing will need to be done to see the effects in 2+ years
@@DJRickWeb thank you! this is a very helpful good explication 🔥
Squad .. definitely getting some of these
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Is there anywhere to view all 32 selectable colors?
Not yet. Noted though we will get a reel put up on bothlightingusa instagram going over them
Hey just checking in to see if you are making the full switch to IR4s instead of your S4! Let us know!
Yes but slowly. We have bo reson to get rid of all our s4s so we are only adding in the ir-4s as we need to buy more
Squad. Great video as usual. I might be getting a few of these
Will these connect with the rockville wedges? 🤔
No they will not.
@@DJRickWeb 😭
Question Rick. Is it the same profile as RF4 for Soundswitch?
Yep
Every uplight they make is always the same profile lol its convenient
Hi Rick! Thank you for all your really informative videos on Both lighting products its a massive help... Do you have any experience with the wedge shape uplights that Both Lighting sell? Would love to know what they are like
Yes I do. I prefer the s4 lights or these as the wedge is a little too big and the shape makes transporting acward
Hey Rick! Do you plan on selling replacement batteries 🔋 for the lights?
Well yes we have them but the ones we have here in the states we reserve for our customers so we make sure we have them covered. We can organize shipment of them for you and sell you replacmenets. Hit us up djrickwebinfo@gmail.com
Rick, thank you so much for the awesome review! Cheers 🔥
Absolutely
Hello Rick, thanks you for all video. I'm french DJ and i would to know if both lighting Can send them product to France ?
Yes they can.
@@DJRickWeb i'm in contact with her, it's ok ! Thanks u 🙏
I just received the BO-IR4 and I have them basically figured out except I have them on master/slave and I need to know how to set the IR to off on the slaves so I dont accidentally turn them into masters. Can you tell me thank you
Click menu until you get to ir on / off
Love the content Rick. Anyone know if it is possible to get any of the both up lights to talk to Chauvet DFi signal? I know I can plug in a DFi receiver but what if there is no DMX input. Can it work with Both Wireless channels?
They dont work directly with each other. Need a transmitter that works with the both lighting lights in the system
Thank you for this Rick... I know you're talking about the new IR-4s specifically so I'm sure there are differences. Maybe this should have gone in the S and Sm line comparison video, this is the only video that shows any Both lighting uplights' menu and remotes.
I use my new S6 Mini's (thank you for hooking it up) with the Rekordbox RB-DMX1 interface and I am comfortable enough with their performance, but I think I can get better performance out of them once I tweak the software more. Not sure if it's the function of the lighting unit itself or the RB-DMX interface. You mention something about the lack of punch in color change mode in a previous video. Did you manage to figure out what it was?
For example, the strobe signal from RB gets a quicker strobe than the fastest setting (99) on the unit's menu.
Regarding this video, I've noticed some discrepancies when comparing the IR-4 to the S6m.
I can't figure out these menu items on the S6m:
- L - on/off - what does this do?
- G - on/off - I think this is the wireless DMX on/off)
- A### - what does this do?
Remote on the S6m:
- no "Slave" button on the remote.
- no cycle buttons
- no speed/sensitivity buttons
- no Pulse button
Sound Mode:
- The manual says there are 4 modes but there is nothing to indicate which specific mode I've selected.
- There does not seem to be an indication nor adjustment ability for sound sensitivity.
- Using the remote's up/down buttons seems to do nothing on some lights and adjusts the brightness on others.
Questions:
- If each light is on the same wireless channel, can they be set to different DMX channels to use Master/Slave mode?
- Is there a way to save a customized color to access it another time? Can it be accessed on the unit and/or the remote?
Hey man shoot our team an email and we can help. But the info on that is in the manual for the lights. djrickwebinfo@gmail.com
Does the "SLAVE" light stay on if it is a slave or does it go off and remain a slave. Or when the slave word pops up do ypou hit enter? thanks for the tutorial
It will go to slave if it is receaving a signal. Once it loose signal it goes back to dmx. It never turns off
Can I use this with the Adj dmx go?
Yes. Just need a china based transmitter for the dmx communication. We sell them on the website
Hi, my friend just the order from you. How do I place a order?
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Good morning!!
Anyone by chance have a good set of values for producing a champagne color or candlelight color with these lights? Values seem to be a little different than your 0-255 DMX standard for color mixing. Any help would greatly be appreciated! Thanks!
Joe bunn has one his team uses. I think his recent review on the bothlighting s4 he talked about it
Like you, I think I would prefer the larger S4 for uplighting, but the IR-4 looks like it would make an ideal truss warmer if you narrowed the spread a bit.
Agree
Can you do a review vs the ape lab maxi?
I would but they cost way too much
@@DJRickWeb If you don’t have the Ape Labs ones then it’s not fair to compare these to them with no real experience
When it comes down to business the cost of light trumps all. I have no major issues or complaints with the lgihts so i will not consider spending 4x for a light that i wont make anymore money with
@@DJRickWeb That’s not the point of getting an Ape Labs product. The point is to have actual experience with the genuine product so you can fairly compare them.
Squaaad!! These look incredible! Two questions if you don’t mind.
1) I know you mentioned the wireless range so do you think that the signal from the master in master slave mode would reach all the slave lights in a large wedding ballroom type venue?
2) Can you control brightness via remote in the various modes as well? Or is brightness control only possible during the solid color modes.
Thanks!!
Master would need to be some what central in really large rooms.
Yes can control brightness with remote
Squad. Great video
What is your shipping time you guys received for the ir4 ?
Shipping starts march first. Takes 10 to 14 business days on average
Squad Rick Good JOB man I like to pick your brain!
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Wow these are impressive. I just was looking at the Rockville Mini RF4 which look similar but rather than DMX screen have the RF control with 4 different groupings, like Ape Labs. Any idea if Both lighting has something in the works that’s similar?
I’m deciding between those Rockville and the IR4 right now!
Same. It’s a tough choice. They both have different pros and cons. See my comment above.
The rockvilles are the same thing as both lighting rf-4 as both lighting makes the lights for rockville.
@@DJRickWeb the rockville units have 4 assignable groups so they are a little more advanced than the rf-4
Hey Rick. How are you? I hope you and your family are doing well. I was wondering how this company compares to the Rockville company? I have a few Rockville lights and they are ok for being a budget light. Thank you for your time and have a great day. #SQUAD
There the same. Rockville buys there lights from both lighting. They just get the brand stamped on all them. Rockville is both lightings biggest customer lol
Rick I appreciate your videos man, any options for folks like myself that just bought 10-S6s to upgrade or trade in??? I’ve had for 4 months now and would like to get a lighter setup. Your best advice please. Maybe some folks are in the same predicament. Thanks and keep up the great content!
If you purchased with our company, (both lighting usa) reach out via email. We can see what we can do.
SQUAD!!
How did they make these so much more compact?
Better battery technology
good review and comparison! I watched the RF-04 review last week and this pop-up in my list... should we expect with antenna soon since you highlighted this missing item? :) but again great stuff!
No antenna planned as the distance is still good for most room sizes.
Why would they go backwards from rf to ir? Great improvement w the DMX though
Because you can do master slave with rf. As every light in a rf setup acts as a master. With ir you put at the one master to avoid having multiple masters. Which multiple masters would lead to light confusion
SQUAD 💥
How can i buy it in Germany?
Hi Andi, Ich schreibe dir bei Insta 😊
Email djrickwebinfo@gmail.com pricing is very similar to what you will find on bothlightingusa.com
How do i buy these chinese lights? Websites confusing
Bothlightingusa.com
Yes yes good product good review
Squad, sent in a quote request for 38 of these new units
Awesome I just ordered a couple sets. 🔥
Lets go!
I just did, too. Did you receive a confirmation email with an ETA (and/or a tracking number)? I just received a "thank you for your order, we'll let you know when the lights ship" and that's it. No idea if the units are in stock or if there's a 6 month lead time. My CC however was charged instantly...
@@Realdjheisenberg I did get a purchase confirmation. These new lights ship March 1st. Check email for a tracking number on or after March 1st.
@@Realdjheisenberg I recall an update stating these new IR-4s will ship on March 1st. I don’t see the update here or on the website though. C’mon Rick 😬😂
I mention it in the video.
Please help. Why My RF4s can't seem to connect with the Donner transmitter? They're on the dmx channel and nothing
Correct dmx color group?
@@DJRickWeb Thanks for the reply. Is good to make clear that the red channel on the RF4s is actually the cyan channel. The transmitter on red and the RF4 on Cyan for it to connect. (Sorry if I missed that on the video, sometimes I skip 😅)
Would love to see the Muisc mode or "pulse mode" in the R4 MKIII....hint hint
Its pretty cool
Has anyone tried using the Chauvet D-Fi transmitter with these?
Squad 🤘🏼
Squad 👊🏻
Squad!!!
Really interested in them, where can I purchase?
Bothlightingusa.com
i recety got ten inch tops it say its 126 db but ist not what do i do
Not sure the question?
Squad! The popularity of these lights broke the interwebs. When I tried to order it told me the price for 8 was 7 grand.
Thanks for your feedback
Congratulations 🎁
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SQUAD. I want to see the S4 and the IR4 working together with DMX. Make sure the timing is the same.
Did it this weekend. Looked spot on. Further testing to come
@@DJRickWeb cool. I have many small parties where I bring 4 or 8 s4s and just light up around my gear and that’s the basic lighting for the gig. I would get 8 of these IR4s to use as basic lighting and keep the 16 S4s for around the room
That would be a solid use for them. I plan on adding 8 for this purpose then in the future maybe going all or depending on how I feel
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Why would they drop the RF remote????
Becasue range sucks in comparison to master slave wifi range.
Will this work with the ADJ dmx go?
Absolutely. Just need a wireless transmitter. Bothlightingusa.com
Squad!
Are the batteries replaceable?
Not easy swap. But can take apart and repace battery if needed
Will they work with the wolfmix DMX?
Idk what that is.
ADJ Wolfmix
Yes
Yep they will
It would be awsome if you could compare the Rockville Mini RF4 with the Bothlighting IR-4. The Rockville have RF remote and 4 different groups (just like the ape labs), but no DMX address. The bothlighting IR-4 have DMX address but only IR remote. From what I can tell none can do both DMX and master-slave at the same time, so if you control them using wireless DMX, you're out of luck once they are out of range. The ape labs have infinite range (the fixtures speak to each other). It's really a tough choice, but all in all I believe the Bothlighting IR-4 do offer the best compromise solution. The only draw back I see with them is the limited range when using the wireless DMX. If you are not using wireless DMX, then the Rockville Mini RF4 are the obvious choice because the remote does everything and you can set up 4 different groups, like the Ape labs. Both of them have limited range and don't seem to "talk" to each other, so that's a wash.
So in my mind: wireless controler = Bothlighting is the winner. Remote control = Rockville is the winner. If cost is not an issue, Ape Labs is the winner.
This is 💯 I think you hit the nail on the head. Great breakdown!! I’m personally trying to avoid wireless DMX to keep things simple for my solo op if I can so was leaning towards Rockville’s.
I heard from another DJ that the Rockville’s do the same color changes, fades, jumps etc within their groups when they are in specific modes but I haven’t tested that out. I may buy the Rockville’s and see if the lights really do coordinate within their groups. If they don’t, I’ll go with the IR4s and their master slave IR function to control lights with the master near me (though like you mention I worry about DMX signal range with master slave when the master is right next to me).
I think if the goal is to use wireless DMX then there’s no comparison - IR4 is the winner. The IR4 master slave functionality also does leave the option for remote control only use so that’s nice to have.
Similarly, the Rockville RF4 Mini has its limited wireless DMX on channel 01 in case someone would ever want to do basic DMX as well. So it’s like they each do one thing (DMX for IR4 and remote for Rockville) well, but still have work arounds.
@@avmusic9598 couldn’t agree more
The rockville rf-4 is the both lighting rf-4 as both lighting makes all the lights for rockville......... and that is not true about the rockville rf-4. The RF -4 does have dmx it works on the red wireless channel and dmx channel 1 only. The rf-4 remote has a shorter range than the master slave range on the ir-4 so having one master beside you will be better. Plus with the rf-4 when you activate sound active they all do there own thing. Vs the ir-4 in master slave they all copy the master. So remote should 100% be ir-4 winner
The rockvilles are the same thing as both lighting rf-4 as both lighting makes the lights for rockville.
I think the S4's look so much sleeker. I prefer the appearance of those to the bulkier S6's. I think they look more modern and less obtrusive, you could probably charge more $$ for uplighting now lol
On a serious note I love the fact that you can now change the channel and they fixed the remote/sound active synced issue and they are available in white! Def need to order a couple cases of these ones now.
Bothlighting.com
Hey can u make a video on your sound switch.
Why u switch from show express to sound switch?
Do these lights have soundswitch preset channels? With the moving heads.
Can u control the sparks from soundswitch?
Yes yes yes yes to all above
What's the difference between the RF1 and RF1 V2?
No rf-1 v2. Only rf-4 v2 which is called the ir-4