The New World Translation - Deconstructing Jehovah's Witnesses
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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Live show. This time talking about the Jehovah's Witnesses Bible, the New World Translation. Is this a legitimate Bible translation? No. So we'll be going over why it's so vile and all the additions and twists it makes. Looking at the scholars, ( or lack thereof,) debunking the "J references," and the satanic origins of the NWT
This is for those few JWs that might try and troll by. Here's is something for you to look up.
John 8:58. Important verse, because every major translation renders it as "Before Abraham was, I am." The NWT is the ONLY one I know of that renders it as ".....I have been". The simple truth is that "ego eimi" is the Greek present tense.
However, that isn't what you need to worry about right now. It's the notes in the NWT's over the years. I have 3 different NWTs, 1951, 1969 KIT and 1983 KIT. The issue is the WT has given 3 DIFFERENT REASONS why they rendered the verse that way in all 3 different versions of their "bible" . The note at John 8:58 gives 3 different Greek tenses for this rendering, and one of them doesn't even exist. Not to mention, their own 2 KITs read "I am" underneath the Greek, which basically blows their rendering out of the water.
There is a video out there somewhere with Walter Martin, who IS an expert in Koine Greek, and he was giving an interview about this very subject. He was communicating with the WT during this time, and they stopped talking to him because the WT ran out of lies to tell him as to why they rendered "ego eimi" as anything other than the Greek present tense.
So, jw, if you've read this far. Try researching that. The whole point is to change the text so it doesn't so blatantly make Jesus God. The Jews tried stoning Him for this statement, and it wasn't for being "old", it was for blasphemy, in their eyes, because He proclaimed His deity in the very statement. There is NO way around it. Textually, and contextually, the bible is more than clear. Jesus is Yahweh.
Ego Eimi can be translated as I am, I was and I have been and that's a fact. Also John 8:58 has nothing to do with Jesus being GOD as Exodus in the Septuagint text shows I AM THE BEING, which is totally different from ego eimi
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Luke 19:22 - KJV: that I was an austere man,
John 3:28 - NAS: not the Christ,' but, 'I have been (EGO EIMI) sent
ou yourselves bear me witness that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,g but I have been sent ahead of that one
John 7:28 NAS: where I am from; and I have not come
Then as he was teaching in the temple, Jesus called out: “You know me and you know where I am from. And I have not come of my own initiative,x
EGO EIMI can be translated as I WAS or I HAVE BEEN . Luke 19:22 - KJV: that I was an austere man, John 3:28 - NAS: not the Christ,' but, 'I have been (EGO EIMI) sent
NWT - yourselves bear me witness that I said, ‘I am (EGO EIMI) not the Christ,g but I have been (EGO EIMI) sent ahead of that one English Standard Version You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ, but I have been sent before him.’
@@Mr.DC3.1914 And the troll appears. It was either going to be YOU or vusi. Didn't know which.
Listen troll. Luke 19:22 is not eigo eimi in the Greek
Neither is John 3:28. THe text doesn't have "ego" with "eimi" .
Neither of your examples reads "ego eimi", so want to try again?
But, and here's the kicker, YOU DIDN'T EVEN ADRESS THE POINT OF MY COMMENT. The WT gave 3 DIFFERENT GREEK TENSES as reasons for changing the rendering to fit their cult doctrine, and one of them doesn't even exist.
@@richbaker7187 that's all you can say and I;'m not vusi. deal with the FACT that Ego Eimi means I WAS AND I HAVE BEEN so STOP LYING and you CANNOT DENY THE FACT THAT the SEPTUAGINT called GOD as I AM THE BEING and not I am, so no relation at all , so you can STOP TWISTING
I am Greek, I was born in Greece, my mother tongue is Greek, I studied koine Greek.... I can read all the ancient manuscripts of the New Testament.......
All translations have many or few mistakes ..... not on purpose I guess .......BUT.......new world translation is a satanic book........
The New Testament was originally written in Greek..... 19 centuries later the Watchtower translated it into English and back into Greek.... EVERYTHING changed... words, phrases, the meaning, the truth of the Gospel, the whole doctrine...
greetings from Thessaloniki, Greece
just your own false twisted opinions
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
enoughisenough notice how the troll doesn't even address the claims you made, just recited the tired, old WT cut-and-paste articles. Don't even bother addressing this troll. He loves going into conversations without having to address actual content. He's like a broken record stuck on an old heavy metal record. Sounds just awful.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 So someone actually knows, uses and understands Greek, and because they disagree with you and what the GB has told you to say, it just their own false twisted opinions... Congrats. Your indoctrination is complete.
Thank you so much for this comment.
Hello from Greece, again...... very good work..... one more thing I would like to add.......
The translation of the watchtower came to Greece 40 years later,..... from Greek to English and back to Greek 40 years?????????....... I guess the watchtower had a lot a difficult job to do.....and they had to be very careful with us Greeks.....😮
Here in Greece we say.....
΄΄The easiest and most insidious way to hide and promote a lie is to surround it with a sufficient dose of truth΄΄........ this is what this organization do............
Damn that’s deep
"A skin of truth, stuffed with a lie..."
Sorry! That makes no sense.
The Trinity lie has been around for over 1,600 years. People still fall for it. Compare Matthew 7:13.
@37:25, you nailed it. Witnesses have blinders on, and anything, or anybody that agrees with them is good, and anybody or anything that disagrees with their erroneous translation "doesn't exist". That is the perfect description of how witnesses view criticism.
Interestingly, Jason BeDuhn did not agree with ALL the translation of the NWT, but the WT doesn't mention that at all. Witness have treated his book as some kind of authority, without any evidence to show for it; mostly because JWs will repeat anything their leadership says without looking into it for themselves. That's why cults exist.
ON another note, G'day Rowan! Hope all is well in the Southern Hemisphere.
G'day Rich, all is well my friend.
You are so correct when you are talking about the JW "confirmation bias" regarding Flattery compared to valid Criticism .
On another level, when you are reading your NKJV, I reckon it reads beautifully. The NWT is stilted, cumbersome and just downright awful.
Have you ever noticed the NWT "translation committee" were anonymous, however the GB are all named, the GB helpers are all named, Circuit overseers and Elders etc are all named, but not the "Translation committee".
Their excuse was they didn't want any glory. It would appear by that same reasoning, everyone else in the JWs wants glory as everyone is named for their position in the organisation.
How strange. anonymity seems to have its benefits, when it would appear to any logical soul, the WT don't have any scholars.
I'm glad you guys are getting a summer soon after the long winter you've all had. God Bless and it's about time for another guitar performance on your RUclips channel. The Martin Guitar has some nice "Rich" tones to it.
Jesus sent you to preach about the JW's????????
@@vusimngomezulu2500 Go back to the kids table vusi, let the adults talk.
@@richbaker7187 But you ignored my simple question 🤣, Jesus sent all of you to preach about the JW's ??????????
@@vusimngomezulu2500 Vusi, you are a broken record. JWs are list in a cult, and many of us are looking for those who are open minded enough to see the real Truth. So yes, Jesus told us to go into all the world, and that includes the internet, to seek out those who are lost, like you.
The early Israelites were polytheistic and worshipped Yahweh alongside a variety of Canaanite gods and goddesses, including El, Asherah and Baal. In later centuries, El and Yahweh became conflated and El-linked epithets such as El Shaddai came to be applied to Yahweh alone, and other gods and goddesses such as Baal and Asherah were absorbed into Yahwist religion.
Thanks, WIKIPEDIA
“Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.”
'Berean Pickets' is a little obsessive about disproving the Trinity and almost comes over as an actual JW in the lengths he goes to on this. I would expect an ex-witness to at least put this aside, but it seems pretty central to him.
I would like to hear his views on the stake thing, if he has the same stance on that then I would lean towards calling him a POMI, ie someone who holds to the position of the JW's but disagrees with some of the more recent light, and possibly has a beef with the organizational structure . .
That’s very well said, and I agree, would love to hear his views in other JW doctrines
I like your presentation of this subject. Could you possibly shrink your video window of yourself a little bit so we could see the articles you are talking about or move them over a bit?
They are being covered up and I cant read them entirely when I pause the video.
Thank you for the videos and keep up the good fight.
This is awesome. Thanks brother
I was so creeped out when I found out about Johannes Greber. 😱
Textual variants of John 14:14 - Jn 14:14a “If you ask anything in my name, I will do [it].” vs. absent in the Diatessaron and other manuscripts. (10 words)
Jn 14:14b “me” vs. “the Father” (2 words counted in previous, so not counted in the totals.)
Greetings my Brother. I noticed how the cult say that they restored Jehovah name, Jehovah name never needs to be restored, when they are asked about Colossians 1:15 that Jesus Christ created all other things, the word other is not found in the verse no where only in their trash Lation since they like to restore I wonder why they didn’t restore where it say’s Jesus Christ created All things?
The word OTHER is added to make sense. Some nitpicker could ask the question "Did Jesus help God create himself"
Paul uses the same reasoning to make sense at:
1 Corinthians 15:27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
God subjected ALL THINGS to Jesus his son. Logically it would EXCLUDE God himself. Afterwards, Jesus becomes SUBJECT to God along with all intelligent creation.
BTW Colossians 1:16 never says that Jesus created anything. God did the creating THROUGH his agency. Namely his son. Compare Proverbs 8:30.
The President won the war USING his army.
@tongakhan230 "other" changes the meaning of the texts, and is not done in other places where the Greek is the same. Ex: 1John 3:2
Also Proverbs 8:22-30 is not about Jesus, so no need to compare the 2.
@@sam_tate : The word 'other' added is help make sense.
Read Paul's similar reasoning which I quoted.
If Proverbs 8:22-31 is not about Jesus in his angelic form, then about whom is it?
@@tongakhan230 "The word OTHER is added to make sense."
It doesn't make sense if we look into the Greeks.
@@tongakhan230 "BTW Colossians 1:16 never says that Jesus created anything."
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him.
"Pompare Proverbs 8:30."
Proverbs 8 has nothing to do with Jesus.
I hate to defend the WT and love your video's but Edgar Goodspeed died in 1961. You said he died 30 years before the NWT 1950 publication. Not trying to be picky but this could feed the JW persecution complex. Just thought you should know. Keep up the good work my brother. Guide to the Edgar J. Goodspeed Papers 1853-1961 University of Chicago
Sorry should have been clearer. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the first time the WT used him as a support was in the 1990’s, or somewhere in there. So the first time they tried to say “look how great this is. Goodspeed liked it” it was 1980-1990’s, many years after his death. I could be wrong on this, but pretty sure that’s the case.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry ok, now it makes sense. Not trying to be critical. Love your videos.
@@theophilis3257 nah bro you’re good, I need people like you, one has to be open to criticism when dealing with truth claims.
You spend a lot of time debunking and deconstructing JW teachings. As an exJW I appreciate your channel. As JW's we were taught what mainstream Christians believe instead of being told to go study what other religions teach. This causes JW's to incorrectly believe what other religions believe. I am thinking specifically of the trinity teaching. I am finding that JW's teach their follows that mainstream Christian religions believe in the trinity, a version of the trinity that no religion teaches. Perhaps you can clarify what the trinity is to us exJW's.
Looks to be ,( and I will do a video on this one day) that witnesses teach that Christians are either polytheists, (3 Gods) or Modelist ( Father becomes the son, son becomes the spirit )
What the Trinity actually is, God is one being. And he communicates and reveals himself in 3 co-equal, co-eternal persons. The Father, God sitting and ruling outside of Space and time, the Son, God who takes on flesh and walks among us, died for us, now mediates for all believers, then The Holt Spirit, God who indwells believers, convicts, teaches, and fills the universe with his Glory. Jehovah is not the name of the Father, but the name, nature and character of the one God who is over, through and in ( eph 4:6)
Another fake comment it seems. JWs are mainly from other religions. How would the not know what those religions teach.
@@tongakhan230 I was born and raised a JW so...
@@jimmyb3158 : That comment alone shows that one has no clue as to who JWs are. Sorry!
No one is born or raised up a JW. People have to QUALIFY to become one.
(Matthew 28:20) teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.
@@tongakhan230 "JWs are mainly from other religions."
Not true.
Thankfully to those God has given insight to, we know which Lord is which.
Psalm 110 1 KJV
The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." The LORD will extend your mighty scepter from Zion; you will rule in the midst of your enemies.
Psalm 110:1 NWT
Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Would you like to come on and discuss our different views of Scripture?
Sure. Which section of scripture would you like to discuss?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry we can talk about whatever Scriptures you think I'm weirdly interpreting?
While I know from limited research you deny the Trinity, and believe the Spirits are God’s power and water, I’m also mostly unaware of the goal of your ministry and what your statement of faith is. Would you be so kind as to send me a link of where I can read more about what you believe, and I’ll pick at topic out of that which I believe doesn’t align with scripture. Sound good?
@@KingdomInContext. Gods name is not Jehovah or Yahweh! Jesus never ever called God by any name but only FATHER!
@@KingdomInContext could you guys discuss this…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian docrtine, and then with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
The NWT is certainly open to legitimate criticism. However, frankly some of this criticism is unwarranted. As an example, for the John 14 reference “if you ask me for anything in my name”; while “me” is not in the main text of the NWT, the “ask me” reference is incorporated in a note to the verse. It shows the texts that include it as well as those that don’t. Again, I don’t mind criticism, but I would hope for a bit more accurate representation of the facts.
I think it's important to remember, the majority of witnesses aren't reading the NWT off the internet, but using the physical copy, which doesn't have that notation, and many others. The internet version and the kingdom interlinear act as a protection, if someone made a claim about the NWT mistranslating, they could just go to the Kingdom Interlinear and excuse any nefarious intentions away. However 99% of witnesses aren't aware of the differences, and when pushed, most will just go with what the printed NWT says rather than any other rendering.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Respectfully I disagree. Almost all JW’s now use a tablet and access the NWT using the app or Online Library (which I have heard is going away). I will absolutely agree that the majority of current witnesses, and certainly those who became JW’s in the last 10 years, do no digging at all. As your video on debates pointed out, they basically run when confronted. While I am no longer a JW, I was certainly not of that ilk. In fact, I now struggle to deprogram myself with all of the stuff I put in my head over the years. But back to my point, please work on being a bit more honest in your portrayal. I know snark and name calling get likes, but a Christian apologist should be above that.
@@georgerickard4915 I would like to give you a concrete example in the spirit of your demand.
We certainly agree that chapter 7 of Revelation contains "the" crucial key text to justify the special doctrine of a second class of Christians about the "great crowd."
As you will see, in its Bible version from 1986 the Watchtower rendered the same Greek word for "divine habitation" (greek: "naos") as follows.
In chapters 11 and 14, the word "sanctuary" was added to obscure a connection with the same word in Revelation chapter 7. In the current version of the Bible, the Watchtower has omitted the parentheses.
Were you familiar of this translation practice?
Revelation 7,15 (NWT 1984 Edition)
That is why they are before+ the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service* day and night in his t e m p l e ;* and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them.
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Revelation 11,19 (NWT 1984 Edition)
"And the t e m p l e [ s a n c t u a r y ] * of God* that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in
his t e m p l e [ s a n c t u a r y ] .+ And there occurred lightnings and voices and thunders and an earthquake and a great hail.
Revelation 14,17 (NWT 1984 Edition)
And still another angel emerged from the t e m p l e [ s a n c t u a r y ] * that is in heaven,+ he, too, having a sharp sickle.
X witnesses called the silver shank😂
You gave no examples of any errors in BeDuhn’s book (apart from falsely claiming that he said “we will find manuscripts of the NT which contain the divine name”… which he never said; he just said it _may_ happen). I mean, anyone can say that any book is “a sham”. Just stating that something is so doesn’t make it so.
Well I could go into great detail about his errors, like Greek rules that don’t exist, verses he conveniently leaves out, arguments that are illogical, but there’s books written on him that do a much better job of explaining than I could.
Rev 3:16 ...(King James Bible)
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.The "Gray" area "Bible"... neither Hot nor Cold 🤮🤢
I'm with the versions of these books that Marcion used.
Col, 1:15-18,All things were created through Jehovah Him, and for Jesus Him, to rule as authorized King, Psalm, 110:1-2, and what amazed me were the apostles who owned only paddles and net, how they know that Jehovah the God of our forefather raisedJesus from the grave, Acts, 5:28-31, these, until i learned that Jesus exclusively revealed to them all secrets in heaven, Mat, 13:10-11 /Mark,4:34, So, its clear for me what Jesus said, " Destroy this temple, and I will raise it in 3 days," its only a symbolic, as part of all authorities given by Jehovah, Deut, 32:39 / 1st,Sam, 2:6-7, 2nd,Kings, 5:7, Theres no other gods apart from Jehovah, He will put to death, and preserves life, he brings down in the graves and He raises up, So, Fear the one Jehovah, Mat, 10:26-28,
What is irroneous is your your comprehensions of the many dogmas which was introduced by many cults to make their cult be seen to be thruth but all bibles translations put Jehovah as the true God even Jessus had worship his farther as the only true God John ch17v 3,6,26 but why is it that up to now so many cults want Jessus be God ,has God sent Jessus to be God ,never has Jehovah called Jessus my true God or else it is false comprehension that has create dowt to meet theirs fabulations that is why people who originaly believed trinity now has dowt when questioning reasoning on other texts and passages translation of Jehovah bible has reintroduce the holi name ofGod jehovah at their places ,why dont people dont like our translation which put name of God Jehovah at ii was done by Jessus by Paul etc JOHN ch17 v 3,6,26.and by king David Ps 37v10 v11.etc.Ps 91v14.
If the name "Jehovah" is to be classified as the most important element of true worship, as you claim, you, and not I, must be able to prove this allegation from the Bible itself.
1.) Did Jesus command his disciples to appear in public in his name or in the name of "Jehovah"? (Acts 1:7-8).
2.) Did writers of the New Testament call themselves "apostles and slaves of Jesus" or "apostles and slaves of Jehovah"? (Example: 1 Corinthians 1:1-2, Philippians 1:1-2, Galatians 1:1-2, 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2 Peter 1:1-2, Judas 1, James 1,1).
3.) In what exclusive name is the redemption of the individual human being provided for in the framework of the New Covenant? (Acts 4,10-12).
4.) After his conversion, did Paul have the responsibility to publicly proclaim the name "Jesus" or the name "Jehovah"? (Acts chapter 9)
Acts 9,15-16 (NWT Study Edition)
„But the L o r d (note: „Kyrios“ for Jesus Christ according to verse 5) said to him: “Go! because this man is a chosen vessel to mel to bear m y n a m e t o t h e n a t i o n s as well as to kings and the sons of Israel.
16 For I will show him plainly how many things he must s u f f e r f o r m y n a m e . ”
And now to the all-important question:
Your organization teaches that Jesus' mission was to make the name "Jehovah" known among his fellow Jews. This statement implies that Jesus mentioned the name "Jehovah" several times in his speeches.
Question 5.)
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In which of his many discourses did Jesus address his Heavenly Father by the name "Jehovah." I ask you to share with me the relevant Bible verses.
Example: Jesus' speech on the occasion of the Last Supper, as recorded most extensively in chapters 13-17 of the Gospel of John, in which Jesus addressed his heavenly Father several times.
You are welcome to use your favorite Bible version and the interlinear translation on jw org for this purpose.
to your comment: "why dont people dont like our translation which put name of God Jehovah at ii was done by Jessus by Paul etc JOHN ch17 v 3,6,26.and by king David Ps 37v10 v11.etc.Ps 91v14.
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Examples to illustrate the basic problem
I ask you to compare the wording of the New World Translation with the original text according to your own Interlinear Translation:
1.) Does the word "others" even appear once in Colossians 1:15-18 in the original Greek text? What statement can be found in the parallel text according to John 1,3: ""? Were "all" or only "all o t h e r " things created by Jesus?
2.) Is the name of Jesus above "all" names or only above "all others"? (Philippians 2:9).
Trinitarians often claim that if Jesus existed as a person before Abraham that he must therefore be God since only God could possibly exist before Abraham and still be existing. However, the folly of this argument is seen when it is realized that many angels existed before Abraham and they are still quite alive and well, including Satan and his angels, and it seems to this writer that we can be quite certain that this would not mean any of them are "God."
Jesus is the Word become flesh, the same Word which was with God in the beginning. This Word existed before Abraham. Once the Word became flesh, henceforth and thereafter that flesh named Jesus could then say that he existed before Abraham because the Word which has existed before Abraham had become that flesh named Jesus. In other words, when Jesus made this statement, the Word which had existed before Abraham had become an equivalent thing to the man Jesus. Whatever had been true of the Word is now true of Jesus.
Im 55 and when i was a child , The Watchtower saved me a life of Sinning way more then what i did
What?
I’m 60 and would have been a horrible person if not for being raised as a JW. But I’m still pimo. I feel lead astray living like the New System will be tomorrow. All my life it’s been tomorrow so I never planned for getting old. I have nothing to support my old age. 😢
@@wyatt92563 get out the Bible and take your biblical understanding into your own hand. You have allowed this organization to spoon feed you what they call the truth. Your everlasting soul depends on you knowing the truth and it’s not the organization. The new system doesn’t exist that’s not a real thing according to the Bible. There will be a new heavens and a new earth and it doesn’t look anything like what they’ve sold to you.
I don't understand why people need to be religious. Can't you just live your life and be content? Why do you need all these rules and a god to worry about offending and "what if"?
And why would it matter to you that someone else is religious, just because you're not? Can't you just believe what you want and be content?
@@evanwindom3265 because religion is fucking asinine and causes more problems than it solves.
@@evanwindom3265 as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's lives so heavily. Like in the case of the witnesses, it literally affects all your relationships outside of the religion. There are others like it to some varying degree. It's a matter of whether you are forcing someone to believe and not allowing autonomy of the mind. Like you said, it shouldn't matter what they believe, as long as they came to that belief of their own free will and then allowing others to do the same. That's why research is important and siting sources.
@@kevinzsikych3130 Do you not think that atheism affects relationships as well? Do you not think that kind2311's relationships with any friends that might believe in something different aren't impacted by comments like "Why do you need all these rules and a god to worry about offending and 'what if'?"
@@evanwindom3265 Depends on the amount of pressure the atheist is putting on the religious person. If the motivation is simply questioning, i see no harm. If the goal is to force a change in behavior, that may be different. Also depends if the behavior of the religion seems harmful. Most atheists I know aren't trying to force religious people to stop believing, they are just trying to make it so other people's religious beliefs aren't messing with somebody else's freedom of expression. There's are lot of gray area and circumstantial issues that come with each conversation tho. That's generally why people end up with a WWJD situation because it's hard to argue with that.
I wouldn't read King James either because in the book of Acts I believe 4:30 use the word Easter which I found very funny and and hysterical . Why would they even do that using a pagan thing. What a joke. But I am a believer in in Christ that he's my savior. I am an ex JW.😂😂😂 I didn't say 430i sets in chapter 4 notches what verse you'll find it😊
It is actualy in Acts 12:4, (we all make mistakes)😃
The translation using Easter is a good definition because they are talking about the pagan holiday and not Passover like some may beleive. Herod was a pagan and it was talking about his celebration.
The Greek word for passover is 'pascha' it is used many times to describe Passover except this one time in Acts 12.
Why would they do that if they were going to explain a Jewish observance?
The newer translations with the exception of one all say passover, but the translators were trying to make a point of the time of pagan practice in this instance.
Just becuase something pagan is mentioned does not discredit the KJV bible. Look how many times Baal is mentioned in the KJV, 52 times. The name Lucifer was removed from modern versions and has created some confusion amongst people as he is described as the morning star, day star.
See where it was important to use a name so people didn't confuse it with Jesus Christ.?
Newer translations (Luke 2:33) elude to Joseph being the father of Jesus by removing Joseph's name and replacing it with 'parents' or 'Jesus mother and father'.
This can put doubt into a persons mind regarding the Virgin birth of Christ Jesus.
There are many other examples I could go into but will leave it at this. Hope this helps in your deep scriptural study's.
Peter's Arrest and Deliverance
Acts 12:1-6 (KJV)
1) ¶Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.
2) And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
3) And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
4) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
5) ¶Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.
6) And when Herod would have brought him forth, the same night Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains: and the keepers before the door kept the prison.
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2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Luke 2:33 (KJV) - And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
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Luke 2:33 (NIV) - The child’s father and mother marveled at what was said about him.
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Luke 2:33 (NLT) - Jesus’ parents were amazed at what was being said about him.
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I like the NWT.
It’s a trash lation
This is the adage 'A bad workman blames the tools '.
God started gathering his last days" Witnesses at the turn of the 20th Century. As prophesied at Micah 4:1-5.
Are we to believe that God told them, "For now use the KJV or any other Bible available. In about 100 years I'll cook up a Bible for you to use."????????
The Jews in the 1st Century never carried any Bible. How did they become Jesus' DISCIPLES?
Seems another one fulfilling 2 Timothy 3:13.
(Isaiah 43:10) “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none.
Thankfully, God has raised up His Witnesses to proclaim his UNIQUE ONENESS.
While others are trying to wrap their heads around the RCC Trinity concept, JWs proclaim what all God's people have believed.
(Deuteronomy 6:4) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah.
Greber's translation was initially used but once the GB learned that he consulted the spirits then the GB stopped using his translation. Now, u tell, was Greber wrong in calling Jesus as CHRIST in his translation eventhough he later consulted the spirits?
Your reasoning lacks any rational basis.
The Watchtower Society, not me, claims that God chose Rutherford and all his successors as his personal communication channel in 1919.
How could God allow over 3 decades that the essential fact that the "spiritual father" of the translation version of the WTG is to be classified as a Satanist has remained hidden from His earthly communication channel?
And that to this day the organization adheres to the results of this spiritual collaboration with a Satanist.
Again.. need to read in context
@@serafin1352 was Greber wrong in calling Jesus as CHRIST in his translation ?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Your reasoning lacks any rational basis or logic..
The Watchtower Society, not me, claims that God chose Rutherford and all his successors as his personal communication channel in 1919.
How could God allow over 3 decades that the essential fact that the "spiritual father" of the translation version of the WTG is to be classified as a Satanist has remained hidden from His earthly communication channel?
And that to this day the organization adheres to the results of this spiritual collaboration with a Satanist.
@@WakeingUp the SAHIDIC COPTIC text says A god. So you tell, was Greber wrong in calling Jesus as CHRIST?
• 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
• 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
• 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
• 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)
• 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading)
• 1879: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979)
• 1885: "and the Word was a god" - Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible(R. Young, 1885)
• 1911: "and [a] God was the word" - The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, by George William Horner.[17]
• 1958: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);
• 1975 "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word" - Das Evangelium nach Johnnes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany
• 1975: "and the Word was a god" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz, 1975);
• 1978: "and godlike sort was the Logos" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin
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(Source - Wikipedia - John 1:1)
What makes them right, and not the thousands of other translation that render it Word was God?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : The translations shown above proves that there is another way to translate John 1:1.
Note that there are Trinity believers among these translators. Why shoot themselves in the foot? Because, despite their personal beliefs, they wanted to prove true to their translation.
If 'and the Word was a god' was a NWT invention, then it would be up for debate.
Many of these translations outdate the NWT.
Plus, logic should dictate that no can be WITH someone and also be the same someone he is WITH.
If I was WITH my mother at some event, I logically cannot be my own mother.
Jesus, as God's Word, was WITH God at a certain period in time.
Logically, Jesus cannot be God.
'and the Word WAS God' doesn't even make sense.
Jesus WAS God but now he ISN'T????
If Jesus was a part of God it should read as 'The Word was IN God'. Not WITH.
Why is 'and the Word was a god' correct. Because Jesus was a mighty being. An angel who changed form to become a human.
Thus, WAS as in the past tense is correct as Jesus no longer was an angel while on earth.
He had put on flesh and become human (John 1:14, Philippians 2:7).
This same John who wrote that would also write,
'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20.
Thus, showing that Jesus was certainly NEVER God.
People who cling onto bad translations of a single verse, conveniently ignoring clear verses, fit the adage, 'a drowning man will clutch at straws'.
You didn't answer my question, classic you. One more time: What makes them right, and not the thousands of other translation that render it Word was God?@@tongakhan230
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Cannot one read what I clearly wrote?
How can 'AND THE WORD WAS GOD' make any SENSE?
That translation in its desire to side step translation protocol to back up some Jesus was God theory, makes a blunder as a result.
It says in effect: Jesus WAS God at a certain period of time. Now he has CEASED to be God?????????
WAS is the past tense of IS.
If one is unaware, when the definite article is absent before a noun in Greek, in English we put A or AN to precede the noun.
Here are examples.
(Acts 12:22) Then the people who were assembled began shouting: “A god’s voice, and not a man’s!”
Herod certainly couldn't be accused of having God's voice.
(Acts 28:6) But they were expecting him to swell up or suddenly to drop dead. After they waited for a long time and saw that nothing bad happened to him, they changed their mind and began saying he was a god.
The people clearly wouldn't be that crazy to claim that Paul was God.
In both cases, the definite article is absent. Thus 'a god'. A god means a mighty being.
Jesus WAS one too while WITH God. He was an ANGEL. Angels are might beings.
Thus, and the Word was a god' is grammatically and scripturally and logically correct.
Why WAS because this ANGEL gave up his godlike status to become human. (John 1:14). Jesus no longer was a god while on earth. He ran and hid from the Jews (John 8:59).
@@tongakhan230 to your paramount comment to LOD: " Cannot one read what I clearly wrote?
How can 'AND THE WORD WAS GOD' make any SENSE?
That translation in its desire to side step translation protocol to back up some Jesus was God theory, makes a blunder as a result.
It says in effect: Jesus WAS God at a certain period of time. Now he has CEASED to be God?????????
WAS is the past tense of IS.
If one is unaware, w h e n t h e d e f i n i t e a r t i c l e i s a b s e n t b e f o r e a n o u n i n G r e e k ,
i n E n g l i s h w e p u t A o r A N t o p r e c e d e t h e n o u n .
Here are examples.
(Acts 12:22) Then the people who were assembled began shouting: “A god’s voice, and not a man’s!”
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In this context, the question arises as to why the Watchtower-Society has chosen the following wording in its translation of the Bible , even though the noun "God" is not preceded by the definite article according to the original greek text?
John 1,11-13 ( N W T Study Edition)
"11 He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him.
12 However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become G o d ’s children,p because they were exercising faith in his name.
13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from G o d ."
hough the noun "God" is not preceded by the definite article according to th
I have not seen light in your analyse you have darken light as light was simple but you have make people believe Jessus is Jehovah that is false.
If you think I’ve misrepresented your religion, let’s talk about it. Not publicly, (unless you want to) just privately via Skype or zoom.
Jesus sent you to preach about the JW's?????????
the SAHIDIC COPTIC text uses A god for John 1:1 so the NWT is rightfully correct in translating it as such.
Incorrect
@@serafin1352 that's your false opinion, that's a fact, A god acc to the Sahidic Coptic text as it has an indefinite article
the Copts adopted the Greek alphabet (with changes in some letters) and translated the New Testament from the Greek text.......I think around the 4th century.......
the Greek is the original.... .the ancient manuscripts are in major universities, museums and libraries in Europe and America...........
you can see them all in pictures on the internet..........
@@enoughisenough2696 so if they are not Greek, it is wrong then?
But Copts still believe that Jesus is THE God, so do you agree with their conclusions because you agree with their texts?
Luke 19:22 - KJV: that I was an austere man,
John 3:28 - NAS: not the Christ,' but, 'I have been (EGO EIMI) sent
ou yourselves bear me witness that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,g but I have been sent ahead of that one
John 7:28 NAS: where I am from; and I have not come
Then as he was teaching in the temple, Jesus called out: “You know me and you know where I am from. And I have not come of my own initiative,x
EGO EIMI can be translated as I WAS or I HAVE BEEN . Luke 19:22 - KJV: that I was an austere man, John 3:28 - NAS: not the Christ,' but, 'I have been (EGO EIMI) sent
NWT - yourselves bear me witness that I said, ‘I am (EGO EIMI) not the Christ,g but I have been (EGO EIMI) sent ahead of that one English Standard Version You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ, but I have been sent before him.’
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?