Underwater Swim Stroke Technique and Practice
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2016
- Don't be stupid and try to do a long underwater swim. It's highly dangerous and many highly proficient swimmers have died doing that.
Instead, spend some time practicing your underwater swim technique. You will be a much better underwater swimmer with a little zero risk technique work.
This video completely changed my 25m underwater!! Thank you very much! I used to arrive at the end in a panic and now I'm feeling totally relaxed and ready for the next underwater run.
@SKELETON GAMING thats impressive if you're going that without neckweights .-.
i can do 25m effortless and do 50m while pushing myself hard
i can do 50m effortless with neckweights, i can do 75m by pushing myself hard
even with bifins, i coudnt reach 100m yet >
@SKELETON GAMING how did you do the underwater 50m? Is it the speed,distance or did you just push till unconsciousness ?
Even at 70 years old you can still learn something great video. I think in my next life I will come back as a SWCC team member. Moving on to training/practice. Thanks
This worked flawlessly. Previously I could only get to about 15-18m, but after this video doing 25m is not a problem whatsoever. Many thanks!
Really glad to hear that!
„The best way to improve something is not to keep doing it and expect it to get better, but to break it down into components and to take a look at those components individually.“ Awesome advice! Now i‘m totally motivated to go back learning... ...a new difficult tune on my piano! :-)
I am a beginner for Apnea Free diving, in our training program we have also as it called ' Dynamic no Fin' and we must training exact like in your video. I didn't realise before, that to swim underwater ' counting a stroke ' is everything! until you said it. Because for Apnea we must relax and learn to gliding underwater and try to use a minimum stroke ( I guess).
Thank you so much for all this important technique and have clearly explained. Sometime when I dive so deep and my trainer said to me that ' should keep dive in the same level deep in the pool and not too deep.' I didn't understand until I have watch this video... I wish I could training with you and your group. Love this video Thanks again.
This is the best video about underwater technique. The BEST. Thank you, this was so helpful.
Looking forward to implementing the tips! I’m a pretty decent underwater swimmer but it’s always nice to revisit a professional opinion like this
Thank you for posting your tips! I have to do and up and back underwater swim in a smaller pool for my Dive Master Program and with a few of these tips I can do it! CV has shut down the pools so I'm not able to practice prior. Thanks!
Always train with a buddy. Good stuff coach.
For pj's and cct's...you have to swim to the bottom, touch the corner of the pool before swimming back.
That's correct. They are instructed to touch the wall at the bottom, and then surface at a 45 degree angle.
We have guys from all different pipelines training together. Guys headed for NSW, USMC, USAF and USCG paths. Each path hast a little different twist on the fine points for each exercise like this so we have everyone do it according to their individual program's req's.
Thanks for bringing that up.
The important thing to point out is: Be familiar with as many of the specifics of your pipeline's exercise parameters as you can, and train that way from the start.
No problem, I've been training for PJ's. It was a little nugget of info I got from a PJ.
Where are you training out of? I'd like to jump in if that's not a problem.
Send me a private message here on youtube with your email address.
@@clap5 did u become a pj
@@alisonhurtado1094 unfortunately no.
Don't see swimming underwater as something to endure. It's fun. Very helpful.
This is a great video. It completely changed my technique. When first starting I would complete a 25m swim in 8 strokes, now I do it in 5. Thanks so much for sharing.
underwater swimming is the only place stroke count really matters. Great job & Keep going! You'll get down to 3!
thank God my uncle is a professional swimmer and he teached me all that when I was 8 and I swim like this for years )) funniest and best way to swim in my opinion. I always go underwater.
Hey Coach, I've been working on the skills you teach in this video and my results have been remarkable. Once I started using these techniques I went from wanting to gasp at 40' to now comfortably covering 80'. Great lessons!
Great to hear that! Just please be careful and NEVER try to push it. If you ship with solid, relaxed technique and are covering a 25 with 3-4 strokes, you will certainly pass any underwater test you're going to face. There's no sense in dying before you even get to the fight so train hard and train SMART.
Thank's so much for your guide,
Pretty good video about hypoxic training and underwater swimming. Excellent point about if you are stupid about this you are gonna die..... Some things to add, coming from swimming since I was about 5, 71 now...
One thing I noted on a couple of swimmers, related to posture/body position, was that after a dolphin kick or two, they left their ankles flexed in normal walking position rather than pointed in stream line position.
I never could do the old frog kick as well as the newer whip kick which is necessary for the breast stroke, my legs don't work that way. Even using the scissor kick and the breast stroke double arm pull, the thing that drives me crazy about it is the kick and glide part. You come to an almost complete stop and then have to regain momentum again, which is not efficient for me. I push off the wall, do the double arm pull, then progress the rest of the way with a slow dolphin kick and a short arm/hand pull from thighs up to my belly button, then push back to stream line. Not nearly as much stop and start, though still some. I would suggest that all swimmers add a dolphin kick or two after the whip kick. Minimal effort and lots of extra propulsion.
One exercise my coach had me do was with freestyle, and this is for working up to a length in one breath, and hopefully a full lap. It is with freestyle. Swim a length breathing every other arm stroke. Next length breath every 3rd stroke, then 4, and up till you can make the full lap. It helps a lot if you are not used to trying this and need to work your way up.
Preparing for a length or lap requires mental preparation as well. Learning to calm your respiratory and pulmonary rates down is huge for doing this.
This is not a sprint event, it is a duration event.
As for angling up from the bottom, for me, with a full lung of air, I am positively buoyant, so floating towards the top saves energy. As a kid, I swam the length of a 50 yard pool in one breath. Started at the bottom of the deep end and swam to the shallow end. Used the buoyancy thing to the max. I did do one freestyle max distance, and made a length and over 1/2, before taking a breath. No where near black out.
My favorite swimming stroke is the old over arm side stroke. Figured it out from learning the Combat swim side stroke. Faster than breast stroke, back stroke, and may be able to hold up against the fly.
thanks men for pointing out few things to keep an eye for
Thank you for this awesome vid
thank you so much for explanation finally i got it right to swim under water lol my teacher was pretty happy
I love your no nonsense though love approach
LOL - thanks! My leadership and coaching style has been described as _"Santa & Elves."_
Great advice. Thanks.
What drills should be done to perform this technique?
- Kick Drills
- Push Off (Streamline)
- Push Off w/Wide Legs
Do you have any other drills to help breakdown this swim stroke? Like arm stroke drill or dolphin kick drill? RUclips has been my coach so it’s been difficult to master this technique.
Also thank you for your time
All of those are great except wide legs... Of course you need this to be very much kick driven, so improving the breast stroke kick is going to be key. I have used push off for distance (in streamline) drills to improve efficiency. Use an underwater 25y and see what your stroke count is. The arm pull is called a keyhole stroke, and you should find here on YT. You are looking on a 25 for 3-3.5 optimal, 4 is good, 5+ is bad.
fargo007 Thank you for the help! Not sure if you’re still coaching but I would have love to be apart of those sessions.
@@AnotherBones I am in NW Florida now. If you are close enough, come on down.
Well said. You need to work on your technique. You don't need to work on the distance.
Going to try this when i swim next i always feel floating to the top but i see in this vid the position they swim in legs up towards the water and head chest towards the bottom thanks
Please we need some exercises or dry land help us for under water
Thank you
This is useful for people who NEED to do a long underwater swim. Start slowly and build up, and you will be able to go a long distance.
After watching the video, today I gave it a try in the pool. The outcome is amazing. Almost immediately, I reduced the 25m dive from 8 strokes to 5.
What I did include:
1.change my arm stroke from the normal breast-stroke to the full length stroke.
2.due to above change, I need to change the timing of kicking accordingly. It still begins after the arm stroke finishes. I just need some practice to get used to the new rhythm.
3.fine-tune my streamline position, by deliberately tightening the core.
4.tilt my arms a little higher when the stroke starts, to make the stroke more powerful, i.e. the whipping effect.
It doesn't mean I can save the time and energy proportionately to the number of strokes, because each stroke now spends more time and energy due to the prolonged arm stroke. However, the improvement is significant.
currently practicing this stroke. this video helped me a lot but i still cant reach the end of the pool. i have a bad breath control, and will try to work that one out. thank you for this!
Practice exhaling twice as long as inhale. This exercise was a game changer for me as was this video.
@@Bruce516 wdym? Do you exhale the entire time you are doing the strokes underwater? Or do u just hold your breath?
Not while underwater, relax and completely exhale as deep as you can before inhaling at least three times then start your swim.
How do I prevent from floating up?
I had given up on this style of swimming. Now I can freely swim under water
Because of this video. I just did my first 50m. Thank you!
You are welcome, but please take extraordinary care when doing this.
@@fargo007 will do! quick question sir. What are your thoughts on robert oneill’s CSS(crossover technique). I know its a compensation for a weak kick however it made a
@@tyronpanganiban3779 I'm just not one for compensating. Fixing the weak kick would make an even bigger impact on your time. If there's no streamline at the top of the stroke cycle that you glide on, it's "not as good as it could be" to me. And the strength of the kick determines entirely how much glide you're going to get.
Work on your technique not on your distance - word of the year on swimming. 🙏🏽💫
I'm training to become a Pj thank you for the tips
I have helped quite a few in that pipeline. Thank you and best of luck Zion!
Xeo T is part of our regular training group now. That's all it takes.
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I like swimming under water for fun and holding my breath, I've always done a breast stroke kick with breast stroke arm paddle, and with a slight scissor kick while I glide. That's probably not very oxygen efficient lol
Another style I like to do just for fun is what I call a penguin style, I basically ondulante my entire body keeping my arms close to my body, but I actually also use my arms to propel myself by swinging them up and down, and I tilt my hands always in such a way that I propel myself.
For most people that last method is stupid and extremely inefficient, but for whatever reason I actually make it work. I used to be on a swimming team (and later on water polo) and I was always good at butterfly so I guess my ondulating technique is very good lol
I've also observed that it's more efficient when you hug the bottom floor because the high pressure area that you create as you ondulate under your body has nowhere to go except backwards, propelling you forwards more efficiently.
When I go to the pool, I'm the only 21 year old who swims underwater just for fun, everyone else seems happy dipping their feet in the water and chatting while they wear aviator sunglasses and fashionable swim wear ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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dolphin kick is efficient at higher speeds, but not much for slower ones
but i think you may have managed to find the proper froud number
the froud number is from a study done by a researcher on fish swimming and found that the frequency of ondulation
is related to body lenght, speed and amplitude, i forgot the numbers but the froud efficency depends on your total lenght in your classic, spear-shaped form finger to toes, and kick amplitude
the longer you are, the more amplitude you can use, and thus better kick efficiency
but underwater swimming to conserve O2 you got go slowed, so means less kicks and slower ondulations
i myself swim almost stick to the bottom and i find i do better that way, but the swimming pool here isnt too deep
swimming close to the floor allows me to estimate my speed and know when i'm too slow and when to make the next stroke
i did the same undulation you're talking about when i was using a monofin
but i saw that most free-divers do a smaller amplitude body undulation and it ends with a bigger amplitude on their monofin
i tried the body undulation after seeing this guy on youtube doing what he calls a snake undulation swimming technic with bi-fins
I’m working up to 50m and I’ve been using hand paddles in all my swim training as well as this training to make my pull stronger. Do you have an opinion on those?
I don't think that's necessary. Refining your streamline, and getting these pulls right are all that you need. Staying relaxed, and making every pull as efficient and productive as possible will make this easy. And PLEASE, don't start doing 50's by yourself, or in any situation where it's not a proper training environment. We've lost too many to shallow water blackout. The risk isn't necessary, and certainly isn't worth it.
What about the "dolphin kick". Isn't that the most fastest and most energy efficient kick under water. ??
It's useful as a whip in this case, but definitely not for a primary kicking method.
This video is extremely helpful, thank you so much. I have a question for you sir, where would i go about finding a person just like you to assist me in training for pararescue. I swim on a daily basis on my own and I feel as if I'm not pushing myself hard enough on my own and need an instructor. My friend who just got a Seal Contract was being helped by what he called an SF Instructor (Special Forces Instructor). I am a military dependent and have access to the military base in my area and need assistance on where i should go to find someone to help me just like you help people in your area. Any information would be very grateful, thank you!
Check on stewsmith.com. I'm listed there as a trainer and there are quite a few others too. You are always welcome to come swim with us in NJ if you are ever in the area.
fargo007 I don't see you or anybody for that matter , guessing he removed that page?
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l Di very good the first time. thanks
I just keep floating up. The only way I can stay underwater is that I have to breath out completely. and then I cannot swim much cause I already have almost no air in my lungs
Not a terrible problem to have. You'll have to adjust your kicks and pulls such that they are helping you stay under and maintain a certain depth. It's also likely you're not going as fast as you should be. That will cause the buoyancy to create vertical inertia that is harder to counteract. Basically the more you're going forward, the less you will go up.
I just can't figure out how to do the dolphin kick
Try it with fins. The extra surface area will help show you where the push and pull are at.
Are u in okc
Training for ND. As someone who is only 5"7, what should I be focusing on training the most?
Depends on the PST time you need to nail. If I had to recommend a single "important thing," it would probably be water con. Being able to do things underwater without getting freaked out or overcome. Not long breath holding, but task completion in a specific order. I like tying knots for this. Learn the five major knots used in NSW, then work on tying them underwater. Then with a mask with one eye blacked out. Then both eyes blacked out. Then no mask at all.... But above all do this SAFELY. This is one example and I'm sure you can come up with some other cool ideas too. Best of luck!
Thanks sir
Hi sir. I have an issue with floating up while doing the swim. For some reason I seem to be too buoyant. What am I doing wrong?
Hard for me to say without seeing it. If you can put up a video of you swimming 100Y I can very likely pinpoint the cause of that.
Hello Fargo, I am unable to comment or message you on the forums about the open spots on Sunday. Is there another way to contact you? I am very interested, but have a limited swimming background. Do you work with beginners? If so I would appreciate the opportunity.
+Xeo T
You can PM me there, or let me know your ID and I can PM you.
I do work with beginners, as long as they are "all in" and dedicated to training seriously .
ID is Stamegna, I have emailed the sites support staff so I should be able to PM soon. Yes given the chance I would be fully committed.
I was practicing this alone and apparently passed out underwater. I got to the side somehow, and did not remember what happened, or where I was. I was around 25 and in pretty good shape.
I guess you missed the warnings about not doing this alone and not pushing it. This is deadly serious. I'm glad you lived to learn not to tempt fate with this. "Water always wins."
Is it advisable to let out small bits of air as you go or hold it all in until the end?
Some people do that, and it can be helpful in terms of calming yourself down. I would only do it when nearing the end of your swim though.
Cool. Thanks!
No. I've been advised to always hold all your breath until you exit the surface. You never know when you're going to need that oxygen.
Can you post a video on how to avoid surfacing and staying at that ideal distance from the bottom of the pool. I bubble up every time.
I would need to see this to be able to understand what you mean, and detect what is really going wrong. Either you are pushing water down, which makes you rise, or your are overgliding, and are highly buoyant.
@@fargo007 best explanation. Overgliding and pushing water down are my two habits to break. I noticed both tendancies in my swim lately but could not put it to words. Thank you!!
God I need that recon
A lot of military water courses do require you to reach the bottom of a10’ or more deep pool.
Nobody is saying that they don't! That should be easy for any candidate in any .mil pipeline.
How do u get to the bottom like that without floating slowly to the top? Do u do a 50% breath hold instead of a 100% so u can sink?
It's the forward momentum that keeps you where you want to be. We are adjusting our kicks and pulls to control depth. You do have to be mindful of it. You really don't want to be scraping the bottom because that will impede your pulls. Up off it a bit is best. Just keep yourself going forward efficiently and you can learn to control your depth without even thinking about it.
@@fargo007 i see, thanks for the clarification. Ive got some buddies that I workout w at the pool and Im kind of a noob when it comes to form.
@@ShaqEalOatmeal You're welcome! The best way to beat this swim is not by looking at it as "how long can I hold my breath?" If you put the emphasis on perfect form in all components of it and tie them together well, you'll hit the wall after 50M with plenty left in the tank. Make this a contest of form/technique for the win, and I'll point out again there's no need to practice a full 50 here. It's just too dangerous.
@@fargo007 ill keep this in mind for sure, how do u prepre dudes for the harrasment parts of indoc? Do u do the same sorts of things or a lighter version?
@@ShaqEalOatmeal Good question. I don't really harass anybody or squirt them with hoses, etc. I do put them in situations where they can't win, and know it. Since a lot of the work I focus on is in the water, I like treading for this. There's no strength or stamina advantage, and with enough weight being passed around, it can start to suck very quickly. To a man everyone has said that my requiring the learning and mastering the eggbeater kick was a huge benefit, and so were all the hard treads. There's an evolution called "combat tread" that is one of the #1 most busy times for the bell. You're treading in BDU's with a charged mask for a decent period of time. It really sucks. This was easy and safe to recreate with a group, so we do it many, many times. It's also important to note that the candidates I work with I try to train PAST the bar. Our treads were far harder than what they encountered in the pipeline. Same goes with other basics like being able to swim CSS on both sides equally. When you start coming out of the water having finished the exercise easily with a few other candidates, this is a huge confidence boost. And you really need that to keep you going. This is a deeper explanation of why the minimums just aren't good enough.
Do you still help guys trying to join the military?
Of course I do.
Could we shift to a private conversation somehow? Appreciate it.
Look up how to send private messages on youtube, or join sealswcc.com and pm me there under the same username.
Breathing technique for underwater??
You cannot breathe underwater. In fact, you need no special breathing technique at all. Just take a couple regular breaths slowly and calm yourself as much as possible. Focus on your technique, because that can always be improved.
@@fargo007 thanks..but the thing is as soon as u breathe a bit i tend to come on the surface..so I guess I just hav to hold my breath n sink
@@hemanis9318 you have to have as little air as you can... that way you can stay underwater . The trick is to stay relaxed with that little to no air and swim under !!!
Did not see the oxygen tanks
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Blackouts rarely result in death (assuming your with other people)
You were originally trying for a billot to BUD/s. Now i see you're coaching. What happened?
I wasn't, although I did work very hard to familiarize myself with everything required. I'm 49 years old. There's no way they'll have me at this point.
+fargo007 my mistake. I've seen you on the forum and on here for well over a year now. I may have just assumed. thanks for the vids.
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While this was educational, it was distracting watching two demonstrations side by side at the same time, it made it hard to know who to follow. All in all ok video.
I’ve seen better instruction