British Car Auctions (BCA) which owns Cinch are starting to offer Battery State of Health reports for their second hand EV sales. This will help provide buyers with more confidence
@@barn2255 They probably don't test them, just tell you what the dashboard readout says. If you have dead modules it should tell you. If you have an old NMC battery used as a taxi, charging up to 100% day in and day out, I wouldn't pay much for it. But there are plenty of people who would do fine with 100 mile range and would love to cut out gas expenditure.
The more EVs sold, the more people get to know someone who has one, get drive one and realise from talking to actual users (not the anti-EV/anti Net Zero media) how good they are, so consider one as their next vehicle.
Once you drive a modern EV you never go back. Disregard the trolls on the internet and the misinformation filled TV programs making things up. The proof is in the pudding.
Not here in France. Over 100,000 pre orders for the Renault 5 (I’ve ordered one), do you remember the Renault 5 Dave, the car you said would definitely fail. 😂. Then there’s the Renault 4 which is also surging.
@@stuartburns8657That is because many of the 1 million pre orders were placed prior to a significant price rise. Many people cancelled for that reason.
@Percy-c5v It is not the lack of chargers it is the stupid prices that are being charged by the owners, typically 10x the cost of charging at home, £0.075/kWh against £0.75 to £0.85/kWh. If the public charger prices went back to the £0.20 to £0.30/kWh it would make sense again for most potential users.
Not a good idea quoting PWC who have been fined £15m for failing to highlight fraud and £7.5m for an audit report on Babcock Engrg. accounts. Doesn't say much for the quality of their work.
Lots of 2020/21 vintage EVs coming onto the used market right now. I'm planning on picking up a used Citroen eC4 with a £23,000 depreciation discount! That will see me alright for the foreseeable future.
A good proportion of new EVs on the road are through leasing deals which inevitably means they end up getting dumped into the used market at 2-3 years old and usually at a good price. Salary sacrifice meant that the original drivers got a reasonable deal and as they drop onto the used market the new owners are also getting a good deal. I can see this being the case for a while longer as tax incentives were kept in the recent budget.
EVs are perfectly decent vehicles anything around 250 miles range is perfectly acceptable or maybe 150 for fairly local work or second car status. The only problem with them is the ridiculous prices. MY personal car was £20k the closest electric vehicle was £34k. 14k pays for an awful lot of petrol.
I'm in agreement, 250miles and over 100kwh charging and there is no range anxiety, and no handing round Charing for over 20 mins. And I totally agree about the prices, I have a Cupra born and the RRP for men was 39k, in the real real world the car I think should be about 26/7k, 30 at a push as it have extrealmy good seats, but average at best sound system. Which for 40k just shouldn't be a thing. Not an issue for me as I listen to talksport. Pod casts and audible books while driving. But even I've noticed when the kids want music on, it's just not great. Not a patch on my old ioniq hybrid, which had a RRP of 27k, knocked down to 23k and it had almost every toy on it. If it had a German badge it would be 45k. EV prices are coming down, this year we have had slot of £15-25k cars, most of them noting special, but the competition in the 15-25k bracket will raise the standards and specs of them. In two years time I can see a lot for good 20k options. Though I see the Chinese OEMs offering the best options. They will probably own Stalantis by then.
Why true currently, the price difference is changing. Initially EVs were spec'd and priced for early adopters, who are atrracted by more premium models. From this year and next more affordable EV models are being released, a fair few at price parity with ICE models In the used market EVs are already at price parity, sometimes cheaper.
2025 is already showing a lot of more affordable EVs with a decent range, some is already for sale and others will be within a few months, at least here in Europe
Prices will drop. They have for every technology in the past as production ramps up and competition kicks in. Happened for ICE cars, solar panels, smart phones, tv's, computers, airflight etc etc etc. No reason to believe that because something is a certain price today doesn't mean it will stay the same forever. Once you can buy an EV for the same as an iCE, that will cost a lot less to run and maintain, can be topped up at home and take you to work and back, shops and back and take kids to school then it will be a no brainer for many people. Prices have already dropped and range increased significantly over the last 5 years.
You're right and we bought a 2018 Renault Zoe a year ago as the prices had started to drop even then and we wanted to replace an aging Peugeot 207 which was starting to cost us. I can get 180 miles for around £2.50 charging at home, whereas the Pug cost £36 for 180 miles.
The difference is that everybody wanted an iPhone, and the majority of drivers don't want an EV for many reasons, price, range, and home charging issues because of the housing they live in. IMO, I don't like being forced by any government to take up this EV technology. I want a choice for everybody.
We have a Tesla but also we were looking for a petrol to pull our caravan earlier this year, we went to Audi as we had previously had one and the price was ridiculous and also the cars are very dated. We decided to purchase a Jaguar FPace at a very good price and it looks amazing! Shame as we loved our last Audi. My hubby was also asked if he would like an Audi EV for a company car but the range is rubbish, so we're having another Tesla too. ( We would have preferred to have an EV to pull the van but unfortunately the range and weight of most affordable EV to us we're out of our price range. 😊
What the reports show is that the change to electrified transport isn't occuring in fits and starts, but is transition gradient. The fuel type segmentation that held such meaning with ICE cars are bluring and shifting. The transition shows that pure ICE are shifting to hybrid power trains, PHEVs are shifting to REEV (aka REV/REEV/REX) as parallel traction designs shift to series based (engines become generators), with BEVs being the final transition destination. Those production lines re-engineered to produce battery dominant models will churn out REVs and BEVs. With the older ICE lines producing HEVs till they are mothballed. Those arguing that pure ICE will continue and electrified transport will die are willfully blind to what is actually taking place. Very soon every new car will have some level of traction battery inside it, making the anti-EV fud arguments very foolish ones to have made.
@@barn2255 - why would BEV sales collapse at 30% on the road share, you're reasoning is unstated? Also, the market will shift in the new car sales market share way ahead of the on the road share reaching 30%. Many analysts are predicting 25% sales market share for BEVs (currently at 18% YTD 2024) will be the start of the switching point as this represents a phsychloogic barrier level at which BEVs become a new purchase consideration for the early majority consumer, with uptake accelerating significantly from this point (and subsequently into the 2nd user market as used car supply shifts to EVs). In terms of grid capacity, the UK's grid was sized for 80GW reaching it's peak use back in 2005/6, since then changes in industry and the significant gains in energy efficiency now means 20GW to 35GW is used (peaking at 45GW in the midst of winter). Even if all cars became BEVsthis this would only require in the order of 2GW additional daily capacity, 6-7GW for all vehicles, given the average daily UK mileage. The challenge for the grid is the pace of connectivity (renewables and chargers) and pre-existing grid congestion; with some 20 specific projects already underway addressing pre-existing problem areas including enhancing north-south and east-west flows with more direct links.
Hi Dave, I've listened to many of your videos. The one thing I notice you NEVER mention Korean cars (eg Hyundai or Kia) any particular reason as several of their cars have won awards covering EVs. I have an IONIQ6 which I've had for over a year and absolutely love it. I'm also on to my second Ioniq hybrid. Regards John McKee.
I bought a 2022 mini electric as a town car. Cost the same as an equipment ice engine mini. I charge it with my solar system so no fuel costs. ( the sun shines a lot in Cape Town) I suggest Hybrids are not viable and complicated and expensive to maintain. And generally little or no reduction in petrol consumption.
If "EV Sales Are About To Surge" this is partly because PHEVs are counted as EVs in the sales figures. In practice these are mainly driven as ICE cars so it would be fairer to count these as ICE sales.
Nope - in the UK the motor industry doesn't count 'EV' figures but rather counts the separate figures for BEVs, PHEVs and HEVs. Just the same way as Petrol and Diesel are counted separately rather than combined as fossil-fuel. PHEVs (and HEVs) declined in October by -3.6% (-1.6% HEV), whilst BEVs increased by 24.5% compared to last October. Overall across the year PHEVs hold a lower market share of 8.4% whilst BEVs hold 18.4%. Volume wise this year so far 299,733 BEVs, 138,755 PHEVs and 224,339 HEVs cars have sold. And across the last 10 years, there are 1,274,404 BEVs on the road with a smaller number of PHEVs at 726,716. *_BEV sales are surging on their own, without the aid of PHEVs or HEVs._* All this data is drawn from the SMMT, the authoritative industry body who tally sales counts as mentioned by Dave in the video. In terms PHEVs being driven only as ICE cars, Dave has his stance as he appears to demonstrate a preference for BEVs. However, there is no real proof they are not being driven on electric power particularly as charging costs are also available via salary sacrifice along side the majority of PHEVs bought via this channel, meaning 20 to 50% is saved on electricity cost at public chargers by company car drivers. An unopened cable isn't proof the cars are driven on fossil-fuels alone, as many are charged at home particularly given home chargers where thrown in with the PHEVs up till a couple of years ago, and many companies offer discounted installation of home chargers since that time; home chargers typically use tehthered cables. Some AC chargers also use tethered cables, particularly the higher power ones on major road services. Some newer PHEVs can DC charge as well, which are always tethered chargers, are are more attractive for PHEV drivers to charge at offering quicker charging times. If a PHEV is mainly charged at these locations the cable wouldn't need to be opened. Further, PHEV are transitioning to range extenders (REV/REEV), which in the recent past were known as series-PHEVs, these cars often have larger batteries - paritcularly ones in China that can have 50kWh batteries larger than in some of the town car BEVs available. It would be more accurate to say HEVs should be counted as ICE cars, since there is no mechanism to charge their batteries other than via fossil-fuels (either as a take off from the engine or indirectly in recovering spent engine energy whilst braking).
PHEV owners are soon-to-be BEV buyers. Once many of them realize they really don't need the range and the complexity and lower efficiency of PHEV just isn't worth it. @GruffSillyGoat
PHEVs are an odd thing aren't they? I run around in mine on electric 95% of the time, so literally is an EV. But people buy them because of the low BIK tax and never charge. It's the owner not the car.
Europe and the UK buy a massive amount of products from China, they buy very little from us in comparison. Tariffs would hurt them much more, besides I would imagine tariffs are the first stage of a negotiation. I would love to see cheaper EVs flooding the UK market, the price of cars has rocketed out of control and something needs to drag them down.
I was driving near Chichester a couple of weeks back and passed a RR with slogans on the side proclaiming it to be electric. Certainly looks like it's on the way.
What is the point of RE-EVs? With the way range is already increasing due to new battery technologies, 400 mile range will soon become the new normal, why do you then need to extend that with an on-board ICE generator? Seems like a daft idea.
Public charging still needs to come down in price though. There are enough chargers around for range anxiety not to be an issue but as an EV driver you know that those longer journeys are going to be costly.
@@quillo2747 You have been well and truly brainwashed, the US insurance companies data shows that for every 100,000 EV's 25 catch fire and for every 100,000 ICE vehicles 1,532 catch fire and Hybrids catch fire twice as much as ICE vehicles. So you wont catch me sitting on top of a fossil fuel bomb. My Tesla has a warranty on the battery and drive train of 150,000 miles, I have never heard of an ICE vehicle with the same warranty, also the Tesla will recharge to 80% in the same time as it takes me to have a bathroom break, pick up something to eat and drink, ie a normal long distance break you would do in your ICE vehicle. 80% will give me another 220 miles when it's time for me to have another bathroom break. I never spend time refilling my car like you do with an ICE vehicle
A major issue for ice cars that doesn’t get much coverage is the future of investment in the vast infrastructure that currently supports them. It is investment reports like this one that Dave quotes that also signal where money isn’t going to be spent. Can you imaging petrol retailers and supermarkets not selling off or building over forecourts that are serving an ever decreasing number of customers? Consequently the price of ICE fuel will go up. It’s pretty clear governments will take every opportunity to increase petrol taxation until it reaches the level experienced by those sadly still hooked on cigarettes. Effectively fuel will be taxed for health reasons, some may say rightfully so. Of course there will be opportunities to keep classic cars and other museum pieces on the road, but petrol will become a niche product. This will not be as far away as many think where maintaining the huge labour intensive distribution network for fuel that ICE cars and trucks currently need is simply not viable because mass transportation will no longer be reliant upon it. ICE car range anxiety? It could be here in as little as 10 years!
I know 2 people had EVs both got rid of. Cannot cope with stress and what say about distance is a load of crap . Just don’t turn your lights on or air con you won’t get far
They are hopelessly overpriced and will never sell at those extortionate prices unlike the worlds best selling EV which is correctly priced and selling very strongly
Dave hasn't got his ear to the ground. The majority of people cannot afford most EV's. He's clearly only concerned with company car buyers and those paying out for a Pcp.
@@Brian-om2hh yes, lots of choice of nearly new EV's around for £15k and under. No brainer. In fact my brother in law bought an Ora first edition last month. 73 plate, 2000 miles for £15, 400. He loves it and is gobsmacked with how he got a fully loaded car at such a great price. My neighbour admired it when he visited us last weekend to show it off...now she is buying one! It didn't take long for them to "see the light".
These statistics appear to be based on registrations, not sales to end users. A better indication of true sales are the statistics for the increase in cars licenced to be on the road, as published by the government. Unfortunately these only go up to the 2nd quarter of 2024, but show that the total no. of licenced zero emission cars increased from 1.01 million from the 1st quarter to 1.089 million for the 2nd quarter, an increase of 8%. True these figures will be distorted by vehicles being scrapped due to accident damage etc. or coming to end of life, but how many zero emission cars will fall into the latter category? Hardly surprising that zero emission registrations account for 20% given that the target for such sales is 22% and there are penalty's for not achieving target. Account also needs to be taken of to what extent the end users have a choice about what car they have. As more than 60% of sales are to fleet and business users (SSMT figures for October 2024) a reasonable assumption would be that the end users have minimal say in what they get. Tellingly, the percentage of private buyers fell from 40.5 % to 38% from 1 yr previously, suggesting they found the choice of new cars less attractive or were less able to afford a new car.
pwc The firm has been embroiled in a number of corruption controversies and crime scandals.[114] The firm has on multiple occasions been implicated in tax evasion and tax avoidance practices.[10][115] The company has aided war criminals in evading sanctions.[11] The company has frequently performed insufficient audits, whereby it performs auditing services that vouch for the finances of companies without following basic auditing standards.oh yes like i trust them
what we have to look at is who is buying EV's, mine is a lease as I could not afford the depreciation of 60% in the first year so the lease company will take the hit in 10 months, so most sales are to the corporate market who can offset losses against tax, when my lease ends I will probably buy a second hand ev as it suits my needs, charge at home and low miles a year, but here is an article I saw recently and is the reason I will not buy new. In April 2024, less than one in six new battery electric vehicles (BEVs) were sold to private buyers. This was a 21.9% decrease in uptake for private buyers
That's what this idiot doesn't see. Total idiot. As for lease do you think your lease company is going to keep charging you the same? They work out the depreciation very exactly. It's not written off as tax. That's an uneducated myth. There is a disaster coming fotmr the private buyer which will effect the whole economy.
Let the Americans be the Luddites, they”ll regret it as the Chinese sail into the future. For many in America the price of ‘gas’ is much more important than climate change, especially when the leader is an anti-science moron.
The US are not the largest car market, China is and they are going all EV at a rapid rate. Did you know that when an individual leases are car that’s it’s recorded as a fleet sale? Many people lease their EVs to protect themselves from sudden depreciation. But, in any case, it really does not matter because in 3 years all those leased EVs will hit the used car market and people will buy them. The end result is that there is already a decreasing number of ICE cars on our roads and and increasing number of EVs. If you don’t like this, tough because it’s unstoppable.
The US are not the largest car market, China is and they are going all EV at a rapid rate. Did you know that when an individual leases are car that’s it’s recorded as a fleet sale? Many people lease their EVs to protect themselves from sudden depreciation. But, in any case, it really does not matter because in 3 years all those leased EVs will hit the used car market and people will buy them. The end result is that there is already a decreasing number of ICE cars on our roads and and increasing number of EVs. If you don’t like this, tough because it’s unstoppable.
Technically can a hybrid be classed as an EV? A hybrid has a button (EV Mode) when pressed, making it electric only. The combustion engine turns off and will not start until the Drive Mode button is pressed cancelling the EV Mode and returning it to EV and Combustion Engine mode.
That's like saying without electricity Curry's won't sell any toasters. Crazy logic. BIK exists and people are using it. Great. Or in your mind do sales due to govt incentives somehow not count? How about ultra low emission ICE cars not paying VED? Do they count?
@davetakesiton ev's are like toasters, worthless items. The public don't have the faith in them due to the infrastructure. The low emmition petrol cars are fine, nobody forced them on us. Petrol engines could have been developed further to emit lower emissions. Now the automotive industry has spent muti billions on manufacturing of ev's and are making a loss. Example vw making a massive loss, job redundancies. All we will be left with is ugly Chinese nasty looking ev's which have zero character. All that money spent and the current figure for zev mandate is 18%, still off the 22% and a month and half to go. Ev's have failed ....
Technically, Hydrids should be classed as electric. Hybrids have a button, when pressed it converts the car to all electric. The combustion engine stops and will not start while the EV button is pressed on, and in the EV mode. When the EV button is pressed off, the combustion engine starts and recharges the battery. So, if the vehicle travels forward with only the electric motor powering it, should it not also be classed as an electric car.
Of course they are electric, hence the name Plug in Hybrid Electric vehicle. But with such a pitifully tiny range on electric only, typically 20-30 miles, they can only operate as an EV if they are plugged in and charged after every single short journey. 90% never get plugged in at all so with a permanently discharged battery, these are definitely not EVs which is why they have been derated in the budget.
Yes, new sales of BEVs will go up if manufacturers sell them at little more than 50% of their list price. I have just replaced my I-Pace for another I-Pace, sold new (current MY) for 55% of list price. Looking on Autotrader there are many similar deals from many manufacturers. My old I-Pace had dropped by over 75% from £83,000 when I bought it new and after 3 years and 45,000 miles the best offer I got was £19,800 on a car with a PCP guaranteed residual value of £36,000. Unless depreciation and second hand prices become more realistic, BEVs will not have a long term future. I love my BEV which is why I have used my own money to buy one, twice. However, me loving my EVs doesn't change the facts that for about 50% of households without off road parking, those travelling a lot for work where they don't get home every night, and some others use cases (e.g. where a smart meter is not possible), they are not a viable option at the moment.
@@jim373 Don’t know what it’s like in the UK but I suspect you might be a bit behind with the infrastructure. Here in France that’s not really an issue. Loads and loads of EV’s here belong to people with no access to private charging, (including travelling salesmen). The public charging network is spectacular in my City (Nice) and also on the motorways. It’s just not an issue at all, people don’t even talk about it. I’m sure that will happen in the U.K. too soon enough.
I think the I-Pace is suffers from a poor reliability reputation and doubts about future support from the manufacturer. This had caused their residuals to suffer more than most other EVs. My last car was an I-Pace and I loved it but it was on a lease so the depreciation was not my problem.
Right now we are between homes so we 'survive' by using Tesla Superchargers on our daily motorway trip, when we stop for our coffee break. Our biggest complaint is having to move the car off the charging bay before we've finished our coffee break, started ordering to-go now and play Seduko in the car instead....they are just too fast filling up. I find it a bit like when we had a petrol car, we didn't have a petrol station at home and had to stop on route to fill up or go to Tesco at night before a trip to fill up so I guess this is just the same but incidental to our trip rather than the other way around, we stop to eat & charge instead of having to stop to eat then fill up.
That report sounds dodgy already and I didn't get to the 5 min mark! 41%, then quotes that half of that is made up with Chinese only sales....hardly surprising! The Chinese Gov. only 3 days back said they are 'requesting' (a China Gov, 'request' is an 'do what we 'request or else') that Chinese car makers DO NOT set up factories in Europe! Registrations of cars does not mean a sale of a car! There are many on Autotrader with a few miles, registered 1 or 2 years ago, but never sold as a new car! Oh and you're quoting from a report by Price Waterhouse Cooper.....the dodgy auditors of companies LMAO! This guy is an amateur!
Where would pure EV sales be in the UK without the government mandate currently 22% and the BIK tax breaks, salary sacrifice snd write down of capital costs for buisnesses? Surely it's time the technology hit price parity for IC vehicles no wonder Elon cancelled the model 2 £25k when we are dumb enough to spend £50k on the average Tesla. The subsidies need to be used to encourage take up by used car buyers with home charging and some public cheap charging facilities as £0.59 per kwh near to me does not make an EV look attractive.
@anthonybrown4874 If we take the subsidy off Ev's maybe at the same time we take off the subsidy from the petrol industry and add the 5p each year on petrol.
@cletchford 5p are you referring to the temporary fuel duty cut that's been extended to avoid fuelling inflation or being seen as an extra tax on working people?
@@David-bl1btThat's the problem with EV's, it introduces a two tier have and have not system. They may make sense if you can cheaply home charge. If you can't avoid like the plague.
"Avoid like the plague"... why would that be? I travel 1500 miles from nw uk to the costa del sol twice a year to visit my daughter, I've done so for the last 10 years. The last 2 years has been in an EV, obviously using publuc chargers all the way there and back... the fuel cost has been a third of the cost of the trip in my previous xf diesel...and a considerably easier, relaxed drive too.
California, the world's 5th largest automobile market is at 25% pure EV adoption now, and the US as whole, the world's 2nd largest market, is nearing 10%. Europe, the world's 3rd largest market is at 16%, and China, the world's largest, is at 37%. And none of that includes any PHEV or Hybrids sales. If you have to go to a gas station, it's not an EV. People are tired of going to gas stations and being at the mercy of OPEC.
If EVs were objectively better, 1. There would be no need for overexaggerated EV propaganda. 2. There would be no need for government bribes, fines, and mandates. People would buy the better product without being coerced against their will...
We will be seeing huge increases in EV's as from 3 years ago, to now, I am usually seeing many EV's driving along the roads I am on, whereas none a few years ago. People are knowing people with an EV and learning that the anti EV stuff is false and that they work. Add to that the incoming cheaper and smaller EV's that will appeal to more people. 2nd hand deals for EV's are currently cheap so you get a lot of car for your money. I guess that over the next few years we may see 2nd hand EV prices going up as demand outstrips supply.
If you sit around procrastinating waiting for the latest and greatest you never get it! I've lost many a good deal by procrastinating in my lifetime...now, if I like, if I want it; if I can afford it....I just buy it and enjoy it....life's too short to dwell on the past and worry about the future!
I offen wonder if China has such a large take up of EV vehicles most of there population in cities stay in large high rise tower blocks where do the people charge there cars.
Who celebrates governments intentionally winding down the economy, creating and increasing burden on private motoring, even if it means heavily subsidising EV sales through tax incentives and grants?! Taxes and duties make up well over half the price of fuel. It would be naive to think that the 5% VAT on home electricity and the 20% VAT on public charging will not be revised, EVs used as justification for the duty added and the rationing.
Who’s going to buy an EV. When the battery is out of warranty the car becomes worthless so how can they be green and they use tyres break pads and discs like there going out of fashion and there not green to make are they 🤷♂️
One in every five cars registered as sold (or not sold, but simply pre-registered by dealers to meet the dealership franchise and EV mandate quotas) are EVs. Around one in five of these again are by private buyers, the rest are disposed of through mobility schemes and company car, lease or fleet deals. That leaves us with around 4% of the entire UK new car market made up by private EV sales and it’s shrinking, despite the recent budget models appearing.
This is only true if you can charge at home, unless you are thinking that public charging will become significantly cheaper in the next couple of years. The cost of public charging is still something of a blocker for those who can't charge at home.
@@paulweston1106 Half the people in the UK can charge at home. I live in a modest part of Birmingham and every street has at least one EV parked outside with its own home charger. Then there will be for some people charging at work. Supermarkets will offer cheap charging to get you to shop at their premises.
EV sales are 20% worldwide.... Every cat company has a viable offering. That's mass market at this point... Welcome to "you have a choice" when you buy a car. People need to stop looking at the small ups and down.
Higher price. Lower range. Zero resale value. Dredfull battery lifespan. A diesel engine can last 100 years, battery packs dont last 10. I can replace an entire engine for 2k. Battery packs are 12k if your lucky
I suppose in theory, with regular maintenance and rebuilds a diesel engine could last 100 years (would it really be the same engine at that point - Trigger's broom) but I'd be interested in you actually finding one on the road that 100 years old. There are already EVs on the road that are more than 10 years old and still on their original battery packs and research is indicating that batteries will last for 20+ years and even after that they can still be recycled in some form (better batteries could be used for home storage).
Utter bollocks, troll. I see you are happy to see your grandchildren suffer horribly because of warming caused by your precious diesels. 2024 is on track to be globally the warmest year since before industrialisation. We are already at 1.5 deg C and very nasty things are already happening. We are on track for 4 deg C before end of the century and that poses an existential threat to civilisation as we know it. People like you can never see the big picture and your grandchildren will curse you for your attitude. BTW your post about EV battery lifetime is also total bollocks.
Dave, I wonder what is going to happen to BEV sales in America now that Donald Trump is in the White House? Will they go up significantly with Elon as his new mate? 😆 Definitely a topic for you to cover when you get a minute.
Musk is going to get a very rude awakening. I don't see him lasting in any Trump job for very long. The same thing happened in Trump's technology advisory committee in 2017.
By the end of Trump's term - and the start of the REAL dictatorship - the US will be well on it's way to being irrelevant in the global marketplace. BEV uptake will very slowly become less politicized, but cheap gas, "drill baby, drill" and the removal of environmental protections and the IRA will lead to a brief, STUPID renaissance of ICE vehicles in the US, making the US manufacturers (except Tesla) fall even further behind as they get whiplash from the changing business climate. Whether a complete abandonment of principals and a significant chunk of the population will be enough to keep the US out of recession / depression? Who knows?
No one buys an EV they lease them so "sales" aren't sales to owners. So how many BEV cars are being actually "sold" ? Without company car tax, low lease deals (because cars aren't selling) and salary sacrifice schemes EV "sales" would be really low. Most people will buy the last petrol cars and keep them. You can not force people into electric cars and from what I hear oil research is not slowing down. Dealers are registering unsold cars and discounting them so they do not get fined and these are classed as sales in the "sales" figures you quote. The UK is so far behind the rest of Europe installing chargers the sale of ice cars will be put back and back....Stop kidding yourself.
It matters little whether they're leased or bought via PCP agreements. All these cars will likely end up on the used car market for anyone to buy, once the leases/PCP agreements end. Nobody is forcing anything. I know of nobody who has been forced to buy an EV. Oil research may be continuing, but research can't make more oil once it runs dry. Oil is a finite resource, and *will* run dry one day.... some estimate within 25 to 30 years.
@@Brian-om2hh Yes oil might run out but they have been saying that since the 1970's. Yes we are being forced into EV's because of the incentives for company car drivers tax etc. and the fact that we will not have a choice after 2035 but this will be pushed back if infrastructure isn't massively improved. Yes it does matter if EV's are sold or leased because the pre registered cars are classed as sold twice and when a lease car is sold it also counts as another sale all be it as a used EV similar to ice cars. Talking to my mate who works for Grid Serve they might be in financial trouble soon so what happens to their chargers ? Would you buy a 6 or 8 year old EV ? A Tesla in the US has lost 16% battery capacity in 40k miles or so I saw on here.
Yet statistics suggest the average daily UK commute is 20.8 miles, and the average UK motorway trip is 70 to 80 miles. Even the most lowly EV's have getting on for 200 miles range. I don't see the problem here....
@@richardhewitt.easyvanlife.6957I don’t know of a single EV owner who has gone back to ICE and I know many. It costs me £190 to tavel 10,000 miles in my car and even if I couldn’t charge at home, I know of public charging far cheaper than the petrol equivalent. Overall, you’re demonstrating how little you know about owning an EV.
Norway has fewer people living there than children living in poverty in the UK and their economy is fueled by oil and gas. Their wages are 10s of thousands of euro's higher than the uk. It's a false indication that evs are a solution. In China the company's register their vehicles to gain capital as they are not funded centrally, they have to borrow. In the US there are thousands of evs that are not selling. I also notice that you completely fail to point out the billions of tax pounds bouying the ev industry. Data is easily manipulated as you clearly demonstrated.
EV sales are only supposedly on the increase due the fact that these old stock vehicles are being either sold cheaply with 0% finance or pushed on the mobility market. Both public and at home charging are still an issue, plus Insurance companies have identified the risks associated with battery fire/thermal runaway
@@djtaylorutube I'll help you out....here's a clue..... Hydrogen ? 🤣😂🤣😂wakey wakey..... Mercedes spent £millions researching hydrogen vehicles for decades...then threw in the towel. Shell has closed down all their hydrogen filling stations in the UK, and the US and cancelled their contract with Toyota to supply hydrogen for cars. While hydrogen itself is a clean fuel, the process of extracting it is not climate-friendly and very energy-intensive, extracting hydrogen uses more energy than it provides as a fuel. Production of hydrogen from coal and natural gas also releases CO2. Hydrogen is highly flammable - with all the safety concerns that entails - must be stored under high pressure (350-700 bar= 5,000-10,000 psi) and leaks easily. (Check out he video on youtube of a hydrogen vehicle exploding at the filling pump killing an onnocent forecourt worker...its not pretty) Hydrogen has a poor energy density... less energy per unit volume than fossil fuels, meaning it would require many times more tankers to transport bigger volumes. A hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is a third the efficiency of an EV, and producing, storing and transportation of hydrogen costs 10 times more to produce. So hydrogen is simply not viable .
I hope so.
A surge now means plenty secondhand EVs a few years down the line.
British Car Auctions (BCA) which owns Cinch are starting to offer Battery State of Health reports for their second hand EV sales. This will help provide buyers with more confidence
Thank you that’s great bit of info….i hope auto trader & others follow this soon 👍
@@barn2255 They probably don't test them, just tell you what the dashboard readout says. If you have dead modules it should tell you. If you have an old NMC battery used as a taxi, charging up to 100% day in and day out, I wouldn't pay much for it. But there are plenty of people who would do fine with 100 mile range and would love to cut out gas expenditure.
The more EVs sold, the more people get to know someone who has one, get drive one and realise from talking to actual users (not the anti-EV/anti Net Zero media) how good they are, so consider one as their next vehicle.
Everyone that I know and owns one swore to never buy again.
Once you drive a modern EV you never go back. Disregard the trolls on the internet and the misinformation filled TV programs making things up. The proof is in the pudding.
How many EV owners do you know?
😂😂😂😂.
@junehanzawa5165 Again, you just see the car and not everything behind it.
Not here in France. Over 100,000 pre orders for the Renault 5 (I’ve ordered one), do you remember the Renault 5 Dave, the car you said would definitely fail. 😂. Then there’s the Renault 4 which is also surging.
Cybertruck had over 1 million pre orders.
After selling 30k waiting list is now empty..
@@stuartburns8657That is because many of the 1 million pre orders were placed prior to a significant price rise. Many people cancelled for that reason.
@jgreen9361 The Renault 5 situation with non refundable (€150) is certainly once to watch.
@Percy-c5v It is not the lack of chargers it is the stupid prices that are being charged by the owners, typically 10x the cost of charging at home, £0.075/kWh against £0.75 to £0.85/kWh. If the public charger prices went back to the £0.20 to £0.30/kWh it would make sense again for most potential users.
Not a good idea quoting PWC who have been fined £15m for failing to highlight fraud and £7.5m for an audit report on Babcock Engrg. accounts. Doesn't say much for the quality of their work.
Lots of 2020/21 vintage EVs coming onto the used market right now. I'm planning on picking up a used Citroen eC4 with a £23,000 depreciation discount! That will see me alright for the foreseeable future.
A good proportion of new EVs on the road are through leasing deals which inevitably means they end up getting dumped into the used market at 2-3 years old and usually at a good price. Salary sacrifice meant that the original drivers got a reasonable deal and as they drop onto the used market the new owners are also getting a good deal. I can see this being the case for a while longer as tax incentives were kept in the recent budget.
BYD Atto 3 on Autotrader for £16900 today, 73 plate
@@stevenbarrett7648 yep, many under £16k, nearly new EV's now available.
No brainer.
I had catch a apreciated with less 23k€ E-niro, 21. Good range and fast acelleration.
EVs are perfectly decent vehicles anything around 250 miles range is perfectly acceptable or maybe 150 for fairly local work or second car status. The only problem with them is the ridiculous prices. MY personal car was £20k the closest electric vehicle was £34k. 14k pays for an awful lot of petrol.
No truer word said.
I'm in agreement, 250miles and over 100kwh charging and there is no range anxiety, and no handing round Charing for over 20 mins.
And I totally agree about the prices, I have a Cupra born and the RRP for men was 39k, in the real real world the car I think should be about 26/7k, 30 at a push as it have extrealmy good seats, but average at best sound system. Which for 40k just shouldn't be a thing.
Not an issue for me as I listen to talksport. Pod casts and audible books while driving. But even I've noticed when the kids want music on, it's just not great. Not a patch on my old ioniq hybrid, which had a RRP of 27k, knocked down to 23k and it had almost every toy on it. If it had a German badge it would be 45k.
EV prices are coming down, this year we have had slot of £15-25k cars, most of them noting special, but the competition in the 15-25k bracket will raise the standards and specs of them. In two years time I can see a lot for good 20k options.
Though I see the Chinese OEMs offering the best options. They will probably own Stalantis by then.
Why true currently, the price difference is changing. Initially EVs were spec'd and priced for early adopters, who are atrracted by more premium models. From this year and next more affordable EV models are being released, a fair few at price parity with ICE models In the used market EVs are already at price parity, sometimes cheaper.
You can buy a BYD Dolphin Comfort with 265 miles claimed range for £30,195 before any discounts. The cheapest new one on Autotrader is £26,950.
2025 is already showing a lot of more affordable EVs with a decent range, some is already for sale and others will be within a few months, at least here in Europe
Prices will drop. They have for every technology in the past as production ramps up and competition kicks in. Happened for ICE cars, solar panels, smart phones, tv's, computers, airflight etc etc etc. No reason to believe that because something is a certain price today doesn't mean it will stay the same forever. Once you can buy an EV for the same as an iCE, that will cost a lot less to run and maintain, can be topped up at home and take you to work and back, shops and back and take kids to school then it will be a no brainer for many people. Prices have already dropped and range increased significantly over the last 5 years.
You're right and we bought a 2018 Renault Zoe a year ago as the prices had started to drop even then and we wanted to replace an aging Peugeot 207 which was starting to cost us. I can get 180 miles for around £2.50 charging at home, whereas the Pug cost £36 for 180 miles.
The difference is that everybody wanted an iPhone, and the majority of drivers don't want an EV for many reasons, price, range, and home charging issues because of the housing they live in. IMO, I don't like being forced by any government to take up this EV technology. I want a choice for everybody.
I AM IN NEW ZEALAND AND IM HOPING MY GOVT. IS NOT A PUPPET WITH EV TARIFFS BECAUSE I WANT TO BUY ONE
We have a Tesla but also we were looking for a petrol to pull our caravan earlier this year, we went to Audi as we had previously had one and the price was ridiculous and also the cars are very dated. We decided to purchase a Jaguar FPace at a very good price and it looks amazing! Shame as we loved our last Audi. My hubby was also asked if he would like an Audi EV for a company car but the range is rubbish, so we're having another Tesla too. ( We would have preferred to have an EV to pull the van but unfortunately the range and weight of most affordable EV to us we're out of our price range. 😊
What the reports show is that the change to electrified transport isn't occuring in fits and starts, but is transition gradient. The fuel type segmentation that held such meaning with ICE cars are bluring and shifting.
The transition shows that pure ICE are shifting to hybrid power trains, PHEVs are shifting to REEV (aka REV/REEV/REX) as parallel traction designs shift to series based (engines become generators), with BEVs being the final transition destination.
Those production lines re-engineered to produce battery dominant models will churn out REVs and BEVs. With the older ICE lines producing HEVs till they are mothballed.
Those arguing that pure ICE will continue and electrified transport will die are willfully blind to what is actually taking place. Very soon every new car will have some level of traction battery inside it, making the anti-EV fud arguments very foolish ones to have made.
Bit like when cars took over from horses, it was over about 10 years.
@@barn2255 - why would BEV sales collapse at 30% on the road share, you're reasoning is unstated?
Also, the market will shift in the new car sales market share way ahead of the on the road share reaching 30%. Many analysts are predicting 25% sales market share for BEVs (currently at 18% YTD 2024) will be the start of the switching point as this represents a phsychloogic barrier level at which BEVs become a new purchase consideration for the early majority consumer, with uptake accelerating significantly from this point (and subsequently into the 2nd user market as used car supply shifts to EVs).
In terms of grid capacity, the UK's grid was sized for 80GW reaching it's peak use back in 2005/6, since then changes in industry and the significant gains in energy efficiency now means 20GW to 35GW is used (peaking at 45GW in the midst of winter). Even if all cars became BEVsthis this would only require in the order of 2GW additional daily capacity, 6-7GW for all vehicles, given the average daily UK mileage. The challenge for the grid is the pace of connectivity (renewables and chargers) and pre-existing grid congestion; with some 20 specific projects already underway addressing pre-existing problem areas including enhancing north-south and east-west flows with more direct links.
@barn2255 it took 10 years for cars to take over from horses. We should be more concerned about the rise in robots as we seem to be the horses!
Love my EV.
Hi Dave, I've listened to many of your videos. The one thing I notice you NEVER mention Korean cars (eg Hyundai or Kia) any particular reason as several of their cars have won awards covering EVs. I have an IONIQ6 which I've had for over a year and absolutely love it. I'm also on to my second Ioniq hybrid. Regards John McKee.
Admire your optimism 🎉🎉🎉
It isn't just optimism. The SMMT sales figures verify what Dave is saying.....
Doubt it very much.
Hang onto yout hat!
I bought a 2022 mini electric as a town car. Cost the same as an equipment ice engine mini. I charge it with my solar system so no fuel costs. ( the sun shines a lot in Cape Town) I suggest Hybrids are not viable and complicated and expensive to maintain. And generally little or no reduction in petrol consumption.
If "EV Sales Are About To Surge" this is partly because PHEVs are counted as EVs in the sales figures. In practice these are mainly driven as ICE cars so it would be fairer to count these as ICE sales.
Nope - in the UK the motor industry doesn't count 'EV' figures but rather counts the separate figures for BEVs, PHEVs and HEVs. Just the same way as Petrol and Diesel are counted separately rather than combined as fossil-fuel.
PHEVs (and HEVs) declined in October by -3.6% (-1.6% HEV), whilst BEVs increased by 24.5% compared to last October. Overall across the year PHEVs hold a lower market share of 8.4% whilst BEVs hold 18.4%.
Volume wise this year so far 299,733 BEVs, 138,755 PHEVs and 224,339 HEVs cars have sold. And across the last 10 years, there are 1,274,404 BEVs on the road with a smaller number of PHEVs at 726,716.
*_BEV sales are surging on their own, without the aid of PHEVs or HEVs._*
All this data is drawn from the SMMT, the authoritative industry body who tally sales counts as mentioned by Dave in the video.
In terms PHEVs being driven only as ICE cars, Dave has his stance as he appears to demonstrate a preference for BEVs. However, there is no real proof they are not being driven on electric power particularly as charging costs are also available via salary sacrifice along side the majority of PHEVs bought via this channel, meaning 20 to 50% is saved on electricity cost at public chargers by company car drivers.
An unopened cable isn't proof the cars are driven on fossil-fuels alone, as many are charged at home particularly given home chargers where thrown in with the PHEVs up till a couple of years ago, and many companies offer discounted installation of home chargers since that time; home chargers typically use tehthered cables. Some AC chargers also use tethered cables, particularly the higher power ones on major road services. Some newer PHEVs can DC charge as well, which are always tethered chargers, are are more attractive for PHEV drivers to charge at offering quicker charging times. If a PHEV is mainly charged at these locations the cable wouldn't need to be opened.
Further, PHEV are transitioning to range extenders (REV/REEV), which in the recent past were known as series-PHEVs, these cars often have larger batteries - paritcularly ones in China that can have 50kWh batteries larger than in some of the town car BEVs available.
It would be more accurate to say HEVs should be counted as ICE cars, since there is no mechanism to charge their batteries other than via fossil-fuels (either as a take off from the engine or indirectly in recovering spent engine energy whilst braking).
PHEV owners are soon-to-be BEV buyers. Once many of them realize they really don't need the range and the complexity and lower efficiency of PHEV just isn't worth it.
@GruffSillyGoat
@@spedracrm - agree, 1st EV was PHEV, since the have had two BEVs and the simplicity of ownership of a BEV is well worth the swap.
PHEVs are an odd thing aren't they?
I run around in mine on electric 95% of the time, so literally is an EV.
But people buy them because of the low BIK tax and never charge.
It's the owner not the car.
@@sargfowler9603 - very odd.
Makes one wonder if they are a transitionary technology intended for the driver or rather the auto industry.
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Can you add the link to the report? I can't see it but maybe I'm missing something.
Europe and the UK buy a massive amount of products from China, they buy very little from us in comparison. Tariffs would hurt them much more, besides I would imagine tariffs are the first stage of a negotiation. I would love to see cheaper EVs flooding the UK market, the price of cars has rocketed out of control and something needs to drag them down.
I was driving near Chichester a couple of weeks back and passed a RR with slogans on the side proclaiming it to be electric. Certainly looks like it's on the way.
Yep...RR, Bentley, Jaguar to name a few going all electric.
I thought he meant a Reliant Robin. I had a vision of Delboys Reliant full of old car batteries 😂
@@kevinison5539 That would keep it on the road with its low enter of gravity.
What is the point of RE-EVs? With the way range is already increasing due to new battery technologies, 400 mile range will soon become the new normal, why do you then need to extend that with an on-board ICE generator? Seems like a daft idea.
The Rolls Royce Sceptre was launched in 2023 and is the first all electric Rolls Royce.
When people realise that range is not an issue anymore, like it is now, PHEV's etc will be no longer required, that market segment will die
So true it’s education we need not longer range
Assuming they solve the price problem, the battery lifespan and charging time as well. Plus I'd rather not sit on top of a lithium bomb.
Public charging still needs to come down in price though. There are enough chargers around for range anxiety not to be an issue but as an EV driver you know that those longer journeys are going to be costly.
@@quillo2747 You have been well and truly brainwashed, the US insurance companies data shows that for every 100,000 EV's 25 catch fire and for every 100,000 ICE vehicles 1,532 catch fire and Hybrids catch fire twice as much as ICE vehicles.
So you wont catch me sitting on top of a fossil fuel bomb.
My Tesla has a warranty on the battery and drive train of 150,000 miles, I have never heard of an ICE vehicle with the same warranty, also the Tesla will recharge to 80% in the same time as it takes me to have a bathroom break, pick up something to eat and drink, ie a normal long distance break you would do in your ICE vehicle. 80% will give me another 220 miles when it's time for me to have another bathroom break.
I never spend time refilling my car like you do with an ICE vehicle
@@quillo2747Yes, sitting on a highly explosive fuel tank is far more preferable😂
A major issue for ice cars that doesn’t get much coverage is the future of investment in the vast infrastructure that currently supports them. It is investment reports like this one that Dave quotes that also signal where money isn’t going to be spent. Can you imaging petrol retailers and supermarkets not selling off or building over forecourts that are serving an ever decreasing number of customers?
Consequently the price of ICE fuel will go up. It’s pretty clear governments will take every opportunity to increase petrol taxation until it reaches the level experienced by those sadly still hooked on cigarettes. Effectively fuel will be taxed for health reasons, some may say rightfully so.
Of course there will be opportunities to keep classic cars and other museum pieces on the road, but petrol will become a niche product.
This will not be as far away as many think where maintaining the huge labour intensive distribution network for fuel that ICE cars and trucks currently need is simply not viable because mass transportation will no longer be reliant upon it.
ICE car range anxiety? It could be here in as little as 10 years!
I know 2 people had EVs both got rid of. Cannot cope with stress and what say about distance is a load of crap . Just don’t turn your lights on or air con you won’t get far
First of the Rolls Royce 2027? They released the Spectre last year.
The market for Rolls Royce and Bentley is somewhat different from the everyday car market....
Please tell me why there are so many unregistered EVs at auction?
They are hopelessly overpriced and will never sell at those extortionate prices unlike the worlds best selling EV which is correctly priced and selling very strongly
You can get a NEW MG5 now for £19K. Amazing car😊
I don't always AGREE with Dave, but I certainly do appreciate both his point of view and the intellect he brings to the discussion.
Dave hasn't got his ear to the ground. The majority of people cannot afford most EV's. He's clearly only concerned with company car buyers and those paying out for a Pcp.
If new EV's are out of reach, then the used market is an option, just as it always was. There are plenty of decent used EV's out there now.
@@Brian-om2hh yes, lots of choice of nearly new EV's around for £15k and under.
No brainer.
In fact my brother in law bought an Ora first edition last month. 73 plate, 2000 miles for £15, 400.
He loves it and is gobsmacked with how he got a fully loaded car at such a great price.
My neighbour admired it when he visited us last weekend to show it off...now she is buying one!
It didn't take long for them to "see the light".
80% of UK car sales are via some sort of finance and that's all types of powertrain
So PWC report is wrong sez you?
These statistics appear to be based on registrations, not sales to end users. A better indication of true sales are the statistics for the increase in cars licenced to be on the road, as published by the government. Unfortunately these only go up to the 2nd quarter of 2024, but show that the total no. of licenced zero emission cars increased from 1.01 million from the 1st quarter to 1.089 million for the 2nd quarter, an increase of 8%. True these figures will be distorted by vehicles being scrapped due to accident damage etc. or coming to end of life, but how many zero emission cars will fall into the latter category? Hardly surprising that zero emission registrations account for 20% given that the target for such sales is 22% and there are penalty's for not achieving target. Account also needs to be taken of to what extent the end users have a choice about what car they have. As more than 60% of sales are to fleet and business users (SSMT figures for October 2024) a reasonable assumption would be that the end users have minimal say in what they get. Tellingly, the percentage of private buyers fell from 40.5 % to 38% from 1 yr previously, suggesting they found the choice of new cars less attractive or were less able to afford a new car.
pwc The firm has been embroiled in a number of corruption controversies and crime scandals.[114] The firm has on multiple occasions been implicated in tax evasion and tax avoidance practices.[10][115] The company has aided war criminals in evading sanctions.[11] The company has frequently performed insufficient audits, whereby it performs auditing services that vouch for the finances of companies without following basic auditing standards.oh yes like i trust them
what we have to look at is who is buying EV's, mine is a lease as I could not afford the depreciation of 60% in the first year so the lease company will take the hit in 10 months, so most sales are to the corporate market who can offset losses against tax, when my lease ends I will probably buy a second hand ev as it suits my needs, charge at home and low miles a year, but here is an article I saw recently and is the reason I will not buy new. In April 2024, less than one in six new battery electric vehicles (BEVs) were sold to private buyers. This was a 21.9% decrease in uptake for private buyers
Yes, both Fleet and lease are carrying sales, but the leasing companies are taking a beating due to depreciation
Don't worry yourself. There always a door somewhere.
That's what this idiot doesn't see. Total idiot. As for lease do you think your lease company is going to keep charging you the same? They work out the depreciation very exactly. It's not written off as tax. That's an uneducated myth. There is a disaster coming fotmr the private buyer which will effect the whole economy.
In the UK over 75% are fleet sales subsidised by the UK government and wi the Republicans winning in America who don’t like green energy or EV’s
Let the Americans be the Luddites, they”ll regret it as the Chinese sail into the future. For many in America the price of ‘gas’ is much more important than climate change, especially when the leader is an anti-science moron.
The US are not the largest car market, China is and they are going all EV at a rapid rate.
Did you know that when an individual leases are car that’s it’s recorded as a fleet sale? Many people lease their EVs to protect themselves from sudden depreciation.
But, in any case, it really does not matter because in 3 years all those leased EVs will hit the used car market and people will buy them.
The end result is that there is already a decreasing number of ICE cars on our roads and and increasing number of EVs.
If you don’t like this, tough because it’s unstoppable.
The US are not the largest car market, China is and they are going all EV at a rapid rate.
Did you know that when an individual leases are car that’s it’s recorded as a fleet sale? Many people lease their EVs to protect themselves from sudden depreciation.
But, in any case, it really does not matter because in 3 years all those leased EVs will hit the used car market and people will buy them.
The end result is that there is already a decreasing number of ICE cars on our roads and and increasing number of EVs.
If you don’t like this, tough because it’s unstoppable.
Technically can a hybrid be classed as an EV? A hybrid has a button (EV Mode) when pressed, making it electric only. The combustion engine turns off and will not start until the Drive Mode button is pressed cancelling the EV Mode and returning it to EV and Combustion Engine mode.
They are not surging, the government backed via the bik incentives. Without that ev's won't sell.
That's like saying without electricity Curry's won't sell any toasters. Crazy logic. BIK exists and people are using it. Great. Or in your mind do sales due to govt incentives somehow not count? How about ultra low emission ICE cars not paying VED? Do they count?
@davetakesiton ev's are like toasters, worthless items. The public don't have the faith in them due to the infrastructure. The low emmition petrol cars are fine, nobody forced them on us. Petrol engines could have been developed further to emit lower emissions. Now the automotive industry has spent muti billions on manufacturing of ev's and are making a loss. Example vw making a massive loss, job redundancies. All we will be left with is ugly Chinese nasty looking ev's which have zero character. All that money spent and the current figure for zev mandate is 18%, still off the 22% and a month and half to go. Ev's have failed ....
Technically, Hydrids should be classed as electric. Hybrids have a button, when pressed it converts the car to all electric. The combustion engine stops and will not start while the EV button is pressed on, and in the EV mode. When the EV button is pressed off, the combustion engine starts and recharges the battery. So, if the vehicle travels forward with only the electric motor powering it, should it not also be classed as an electric car.
Of course they are electric, hence the name Plug in Hybrid Electric vehicle. But with such a pitifully tiny range on electric only, typically 20-30 miles, they can only operate as an EV if they are plugged in and charged after every single short journey. 90% never get plugged in at all so with a permanently discharged battery, these are definitely not EVs which is why they have been derated in the budget.
@@davetakesiton In Australia and The United States Plugin Hybrids are classed as Electric Vehicles.
Yes, new sales of BEVs will go up if manufacturers sell them at little more than 50% of their list price. I have just replaced my I-Pace for another I-Pace, sold new (current MY) for 55% of list price. Looking on Autotrader there are many similar deals from many manufacturers. My old I-Pace had dropped by over 75% from £83,000 when I bought it new and after 3 years and 45,000 miles the best offer I got was £19,800 on a car with a PCP guaranteed residual value of £36,000. Unless depreciation and second hand prices become more realistic, BEVs will not have a long term future.
I love my BEV which is why I have used my own money to buy one, twice. However, me loving my EVs doesn't change the facts that for about 50% of households without off road parking, those travelling a lot for work where they don't get home every night, and some others use cases (e.g. where a smart meter is not possible), they are not a viable option at the moment.
@@jim373 Don’t know what it’s like in the UK but I suspect you might be a bit behind with the infrastructure. Here in France that’s not really an issue. Loads and loads of EV’s here belong to people with no access to private charging, (including travelling salesmen). The public charging network is spectacular in my City (Nice) and also on the motorways. It’s just not an issue at all, people don’t even talk about it. I’m sure that will happen in the U.K. too soon enough.
I think the I-Pace is suffers from a poor reliability reputation and doubts about future support from the manufacturer. This had caused their residuals to suffer more than most other EVs.
My last car was an I-Pace and I loved it but it was on a lease so the depreciation was not my problem.
Right now we are between homes so we 'survive' by using Tesla Superchargers on our daily motorway trip, when we stop for our coffee break. Our biggest complaint is having to move the car off the charging bay before we've finished our coffee break, started ordering to-go now and play Seduko in the car instead....they are just too fast filling up. I find it a bit like when we had a petrol car, we didn't have a petrol station at home and had to stop on route to fill up or go to Tesco at night before a trip to fill up so I guess this is just the same but incidental to our trip rather than the other way around, we stop to eat & charge instead of having to stop to eat then fill up.
ESB 300kw chargers in Glenrothes, Fife up in price to 0.95p kw. This must be a record.
Yes utterly disgraceful price. RIP off Britain at it,s finest!
That report sounds dodgy already and I didn't get to the 5 min mark!
41%, then quotes that half of that is made up with Chinese only sales....hardly surprising!
The Chinese Gov. only 3 days back said they are 'requesting' (a China Gov, 'request' is an 'do what we 'request or else') that Chinese car makers DO NOT set up factories in Europe!
Registrations of cars does not mean a sale of a car!
There are many on Autotrader with a few miles, registered 1 or 2 years ago, but never sold as a new car!
Oh and you're quoting from a report by Price Waterhouse Cooper.....the dodgy auditors of companies LMAO!
This guy is an amateur!
Where would pure EV sales be in the UK without the government mandate currently 22% and the BIK tax breaks, salary sacrifice snd write down of capital costs for buisnesses?
Surely it's time the technology hit price parity for IC vehicles no wonder Elon cancelled the model 2 £25k when we are dumb enough to spend £50k on the average Tesla.
The subsidies need to be used to encourage take up by used car buyers with home charging and some public cheap charging facilities as £0.59 per kwh near to me does not make an EV look attractive.
@anthonybrown4874 If we take the subsidy off Ev's maybe at the same time we take off the subsidy from the petrol industry and add the 5p each year on petrol.
@cletchford 5p are you referring to the temporary fuel duty cut that's been extended to avoid fuelling inflation or being seen as an extra tax on working people?
Well it's 7p per kWh near me...that's 1.5p per mile👍...cheap as chips!
@@David-bl1btThat's the problem with EV's, it introduces a two tier have and have not system.
They may make sense if you can cheaply home charge.
If you can't avoid like the plague.
"Avoid like the plague"... why would that be?
I travel 1500 miles from nw uk to the costa del sol twice a year to visit my daughter, I've done so for the last 10 years.
The last 2 years has been in an EV, obviously using publuc chargers all the way there and back... the fuel cost has been a third of the cost of the trip in my previous xf diesel...and a considerably easier, relaxed drive too.
Yep, can see Geoffbuysknackerheaps thumbnail to his next comedy vid now; “EV Dream Over”! I think that title is on a shortcut of his editing software.
California, the world's 5th largest automobile market is at 25% pure EV adoption now, and the US as whole, the world's 2nd largest market, is nearing 10%. Europe, the world's 3rd largest market is at 16%, and China, the world's largest, is at 37%.
And none of that includes any PHEV or Hybrids sales. If you have to go to a gas station, it's not an EV. People are tired of going to gas stations and being at the mercy of OPEC.
If EVs were objectively better, 1. There would be no need for overexaggerated EV propaganda. 2. There would be no need for government bribes, fines, and mandates. People would buy the better product without being coerced against their will...
If EVs weren't objectively better there would be no need for the massive negative media and oil industry hype that's built up!
We will be seeing huge increases in EV's as from 3 years ago, to now, I am usually seeing many EV's driving along the roads I am on, whereas none a few years ago.
People are knowing people with an EV and learning that the anti EV stuff is false and that they work. Add to that the incoming cheaper and smaller EV's that will appeal to more people. 2nd hand deals for EV's are currently cheap so you get a lot of car for your money. I guess that over the next few years we may see 2nd hand EV prices going up as demand outstrips supply.
On a drive back from Cornwayy very few EV's.
Probably worth waiting a little while longer till they're all powered by fusion reactors and the self-driving runs on quantum computers.
If you sit around procrastinating waiting for the latest and greatest you never get it!
I've lost many a good deal by procrastinating in my lifetime...now, if I like, if I want it; if I can afford it....I just buy it and enjoy it....life's too short to dwell on the past and worry about the future!
Great video
When an EV does 550 miles without a charge I might consider . My BMW does that on a full tank . Till then stick them where the sun don’t shine
Consider: if you can charge at home, you'd never have to go to a gas station again. It takes a few seconds to plug in.
I offen wonder if China has such a large take up of EV vehicles most of there population in cities stay in large high rise tower blocks where do the people charge there cars.
They'll buy what they are told to buy
They like being able to breath.
Who celebrates governments intentionally winding down the economy, creating and increasing burden on private motoring, even if it means heavily subsidising EV sales through tax incentives and grants?!
Taxes and duties make up well over half the price of fuel. It would be naive to think that the 5% VAT on home electricity and the 20% VAT on public charging will not be revised, EVs used as justification for the duty added and the rationing.
Well that’s good news, which we welcome here in the colonies at the moment.
I made the likes 345. Love my i3 and would not swap it for anything else.
The main EV is company cars very few private . Would never buy anything Chinese motor made thank you
Who’s going to buy an EV. When the battery is out of warranty the car becomes worthless so how can they be green and they use tyres break pads and discs like there going out of fashion and there not green to make are they 🤷♂️
Do you ever check the drivel and lies you spout? Maybe start with Google which states EVs need replacement brake pads half as often as ICE.
Its a lovely work of fiction this Dave 👍😊
Yawn 🥱 research
The lad's a Plonker.
Comical Dave.
One in every five cars registered as sold (or not sold, but simply pre-registered by dealers to meet the dealership franchise and EV mandate quotas) are EVs. Around one in five of these again are by private buyers, the rest are disposed of through mobility schemes and company car, lease or fleet deals.
That leaves us with around 4% of the entire UK new car market made up by private EV sales and it’s shrinking, despite the recent budget models appearing.
Eventually people will realise that EVs have much lower running costs at that tipping point it will be game over for Ice that will be around 2028.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is only true if you can charge at home, unless you are thinking that public charging will become significantly cheaper in the next couple of years. The cost of public charging is still something of a blocker for those who can't charge at home.
@@paulweston1106 Half the people in the UK can charge at home. I live in a modest part of Birmingham and every street has at least one EV parked outside with its own home charger. Then there will be for some people charging at work. Supermarkets will offer cheap charging to get you to shop at their premises.
And cost a while lot more. Silly prices.
@@charleswillcock3235Two tier system.
EV's make little sense if you can't benefit from cheap, reliable and convenient home charging.
EV sales are 20% worldwide.... Every cat company has a viable offering. That's mass market at this point... Welcome to "you have a choice" when you buy a car.
People need to stop looking at the small ups and down.
My question is why are EVs heavily subsidised ? But still nobody wants them ?
Higher price. Lower range. Zero resale value. Dredfull battery lifespan. A diesel engine can last 100 years, battery packs dont last 10. I can replace an entire engine for 2k. Battery packs are 12k if your lucky
ROFL. Complete garbage.
Do you work for Trump?
I can't recall seeing any 100 year old diesel cars on the road?
I suppose in theory, with regular maintenance and rebuilds a diesel engine could last 100 years (would it really be the same engine at that point - Trigger's broom) but I'd be interested in you actually finding one on the road that 100 years old. There are already EVs on the road that are more than 10 years old and still on their original battery packs and research is indicating that batteries will last for 20+ years and even after that they can still be recycled in some form (better batteries could be used for home storage).
Utter bollocks, troll. I see you are happy to see your grandchildren suffer horribly because of warming caused by your precious diesels. 2024 is on track to be globally the warmest year since before industrialisation. We are already at 1.5 deg C and very nasty things are already happening. We are on track for 4 deg C before end of the century and that poses an existential threat to civilisation as we know it. People like you can never see the big picture and your grandchildren will curse you for your attitude. BTW your post about EV battery lifetime is also total bollocks.
Dave, I wonder what is going to happen to BEV sales in America now that Donald Trump is in the White House? Will they go up significantly with Elon as his new mate? 😆 Definitely a topic for you to cover when you get a minute.
Thanks already made the video out soon
Musk is going to get a very rude awakening. I don't see him lasting in any Trump job for very long. The same thing happened in Trump's technology advisory committee in 2017.
Have you considered the result of the US election!?
Elon is his best friend 😂 Every redneck will be driving a Tesla.
US is only 15% of global car market. You also have to remember that Elon will be on Trump’s team.
We'll if the US stops buying EVs as a result of the election, it'll just mean more are available for the rest of the world.
The USA falls even further behind in the EV race, if it wasn't for Tesla
By the end of Trump's term - and the start of the REAL dictatorship - the US will be well on it's way to being irrelevant in the global marketplace.
BEV uptake will very slowly become less politicized, but cheap gas, "drill baby, drill" and the removal of environmental protections and the IRA will lead to a brief, STUPID renaissance of ICE vehicles in the US, making the US manufacturers (except Tesla) fall even further behind as they get whiplash from the changing business climate.
Whether a complete abandonment of principals and a significant chunk of the population will be enough to keep the US out of recession / depression? Who knows?
No one buys an EV they lease them so "sales" aren't sales to owners. So how many BEV cars are being actually "sold" ? Without company car tax, low lease deals (because cars aren't selling) and salary sacrifice schemes EV "sales" would be really low. Most people will buy the last petrol cars and keep them. You can not force people into electric cars and from what I hear oil research is not slowing down. Dealers are registering unsold cars and discounting them so they do not get fined and these are classed as sales in the "sales" figures you quote. The UK is so far behind the rest of Europe installing chargers the sale of ice cars will be put back and back....Stop kidding yourself.
It matters little whether they're leased or bought via PCP agreements. All these cars will likely end up on the used car market for anyone to buy, once the leases/PCP agreements end. Nobody is forcing anything. I know of nobody who has been forced to buy an EV. Oil research may be continuing, but research can't make more oil once it runs dry. Oil is a finite resource, and *will* run dry one day.... some estimate within 25 to 30 years.
I bought my ID.3 so yes people do buy them.
@@Brian-om2hhIt was 25-30 years of reserves 40 years ago! It’s all nonsense, just like the whole EV hoax to stop all of us driving anything, anywhere!
@@davidriches2127 And how much has it depreciated ? My 2022 Born dropped £5k a year plus the VAT.
@@Brian-om2hh Yes oil might run out but they have been saying that since the 1970's. Yes we are being forced into EV's because of the incentives for company car drivers tax etc. and the fact that we will not have a choice after 2035 but this will be pushed back if infrastructure isn't massively improved. Yes it does matter if EV's are sold or leased because the pre registered cars are classed as sold twice and when a lease car is sold it also counts as another sale all be it as a used EV similar to ice cars. Talking to my mate who works for Grid Serve they might be in financial trouble soon so what happens to their chargers ? Would you buy a 6 or 8 year old EV ? A Tesla in the US has lost 16% battery capacity in 40k miles or so I saw on here.
EV are crashing, because they are not suitable for most car owners.
A sentance comprising two untrue statements.
Yet statistics suggest the average daily UK commute is 20.8 miles, and the average UK motorway trip is 70 to 80 miles. Even the most lowly EV's have getting on for 200 miles range. I don't see the problem here....
@@Brian-om2hh If you have no charger at home. Public charging costs will soar over ICE cars.
@@crm114. Then why are car manufacturers losing money, Simple customers are going back to ICE cars.EVs not the way to go.
@@richardhewitt.easyvanlife.6957I don’t know of a single EV owner who has gone back to ICE and I know many. It costs me £190 to tavel 10,000 miles in my car and even if I couldn’t charge at home, I know of public charging far cheaper than the petrol equivalent. Overall, you’re demonstrating how little you know about owning an EV.
Ev sales about to surge? Educate yourself and watch Barrie Cramptons latest vidio.
Your talking rubbish
Some people are just Tits..... And that's that.
Norway has fewer people living there than children living in poverty in the UK and their economy is fueled by oil and gas. Their wages are 10s of thousands of euro's higher than the uk. It's a false indication that evs are a solution. In China the company's register their vehicles to gain capital as they are not funded centrally, they have to borrow. In the US there are thousands of evs that are not selling. I also notice that you completely fail to point out the billions of tax pounds bouying the ev industry. Data is easily manipulated as you clearly demonstrated.
ICE on the losing side of history…
It hasn't been for the last 100 years. Apart from subsidies which are unsustainable, what has changed?
EVs are not selling well Fact! Do not listen to propaganda
UK SMMT data say they are, so it’s you who’s listening to the anti EV propaganda.
goes to show without subsidies no one wants a fireball.
Do you want to discuss the 100,000 ICE car fires in the UK each year?
@@crm114.Of course not, That doesn’t suit their anti EV bias.
Well, people are buying hybrids, they have a 140x higher risk of busting into flames compared to EVs
Yes PHEV are badly prone to fires being worst of both worlds.
@@crm114. Can confirm, lived on a council estate as a child, well before EV were even a thing and there were always plenty of burned-out ICE cars.
EV sales are only supposedly on the increase due the fact that these old stock vehicles are being either sold cheaply with 0% finance or pushed on the mobility market. Both public and at home charging are still an issue, plus Insurance companies have identified the risks associated with battery fire/thermal runaway
Hydrogen 😂😂😂😂😂
Serious post or complete sarcasm, I need a clue here!
@@djtaylorutube Sarcasm, Hydrogen is a joke, even in California are taking out Hydrogen stations, no one wants them
@@djtaylorutube I'll help you out....here's a clue.....
Hydrogen ? 🤣😂🤣😂wakey wakey.....
Mercedes spent £millions researching hydrogen vehicles for decades...then threw in the towel.
Shell has closed down all their hydrogen filling stations in the UK, and the US and cancelled their contract with Toyota to supply hydrogen for cars.
While hydrogen itself is a clean fuel, the process of extracting it is not climate-friendly and very energy-intensive, extracting hydrogen uses more energy than it provides as a fuel.
Production of hydrogen from coal and natural gas also releases CO2.
Hydrogen is highly flammable - with all the safety concerns that entails - must be stored under high pressure (350-700 bar= 5,000-10,000 psi) and leaks easily. (Check out he video on youtube of a hydrogen vehicle exploding at the filling pump killing an onnocent forecourt worker...its not pretty)
Hydrogen has a poor energy density... less energy per unit volume than fossil fuels, meaning it would require many times more tankers to transport bigger volumes.
A hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is a third the efficiency of an EV, and producing, storing and transportation of hydrogen costs 10 times more to produce.
So hydrogen is simply not viable .
How commonly available is hydrogen for fueling vehicles? Seems a lot easier to use electricity.
@@aussie405 Why use a vast amount of electricity to make Hydrogen, when you can just use it far more efficiently in your EV, it doesnt make sense