I just imagine this scenario. Boss: "I will bring ultimate destruction to the planet and everyone!" Battle rages on, timer dings. Boss: "OK well you win..."
That switching characters pattern timer scam was truly an old school piece of tech on display. That's how you have to do it in these old games. Take everything that works against a human and toss it out the window immediately.
Yup, I remember playing this game on an actual Arcade back in 2012 and I was saw as a hero as I was the only player to be able to get the Goodman fight as nobody knew the conditions (aside of the operator), eventually I took down all of the operator's high KO scores to the point he and I ended up competing each other, my best run was around 30 KO's and it is a shame that I can't see my own score anymore at the arcade.
Justin : we need a good strategy Goodman: AHHHHHHGHHH This was hilarious, but on a serious note it's actually fun to see a very skilled player such as Justin taking on these cheap AIs
Yup, Goodman just hardly let you do stuff, but he clearely shows that factor is ALSO his big weakeness (depending on which character you use, you can cheese him out, like Terry just using Burn Knuckle, Marco's Heavy Machine Gun, Haohmaru's high slash attack, Akari's DP with HK to fall over Goodman, etc... however some need to have the perfect distance to do the cheese like Hotaru), King Leo at the other hand... you really need to figure out how to aproach (also King Leo has somewhat a hard time against command grabs, that is pretty much his only weakness... and that doesn't help much compared of how you can deal with Goodman), Mizuchi has his own cheap stuff and Neo Dio has one more move than the playable version and just like in World Heroes Perfect, one of his DM's is unblockable, but other than that Neo Dio as a boss is low tier (not easy, but back when I fought him the 1st time, despite losing the match I got really close with 2 characters I suck a lot, something that I could not say the same for the other 3 bosses).
2:30 I'm pretty sure this was the ai actually doing the guard cancel. A feature they brought back from svc chaos where pressing forward twice would get you out of blockstun almost instantly. Allowing you to punish moves that are normally safe.
not just guard cancel, but it's a guard cancel blowback which exists in KOF too and done with CD. The guard cancel emergency roll also exists in KOF. SvC Chaos has 2 types including the one you mentioned tapping forward twice
Yeah, without that cheese, Goodman can be quite difficult until you figure out his AI, Haohmaru has that match as the easiest, standing strong slash when Goodman does his attacks can potentially end up with a Perfect victory.
@@darylcastillo1439 XD. If your using Haohmaru you have tô play against 2 bosses. Go on training and go against King Lion and Mizuchi(even on training they still have The regen and CPU only boss moves) and see if you can win. You will have tô defeat then both as theres no time on training só time out strats is out;). I used tô do it alot for fun back then on Max difficult.
for everything Goodman is and isn't... like most of this OST, his theme is AMAZING. like I actually heard it way before I was able to get it on ps2 and was like, WHO IS THIS SONG FOR? I've only fought Goodman ONCE the entire time I've owned this game... it wasn't fun lol.
The fact that Jwong is literally the godfather of high level fighting gameplay and he won by timeout shows you how stupid busted SNK bosses truly were. You really have to break the game to beat them its so dumb but I love it
It mostly shows how exploitable SNK bosses could be. Justin goes for the easy safe path to victory (simple combos, simple powerful characters, etc), and will switch to the lamest tactics he can find when that isn't enough. Even the video editor inserts jokes about Justin exploiting timeout victories. Heck, he beat Fighting Layer by using an unplayable busted sub-boss (enabled through an emulator cheat?) capable of glitching outside the arena boundary.
@@BainesMkII Yeah, and let's be honest, we love to be as cheap as possible against the AI, I still remember how painfull was my 1st experience against Goodman, people at the arcades got shocked to see the true final boss of the game as they never managed to figure out how to make him appear (except for the arcade operator), after that, a lot of people tried their luck against Goodman but all of them ended up in failure, eventually I was able to fill the KO scores of the arcade game with my own performances as I was able to consistently reach and beat Goodman on my 1st try of each run and it became a contest between me and the arcade operator to keep our scores.
Justin's an expert at high level fighting gameplay against HUMANS. Humans can be predicted and outplayed if you have better intuition and reaction time, which he definitely has. None of that means anything against the computer that literally intercepts your button inputs and applies pre-programmed counters on those interceptions.
@@onemuststand7353 The AI is worse and cheaper the better you are at the game Input reading at its finest. So to everyone complaining that he always cheesing out the boss remember that input reading is made to be able to beat you however good you might be no matter the cost.
The fact that this guy looks a little like Igniz is a red flag straight away. He isn't the hardest of the bosses in this game but he is the definition of cheap. I mean, he just stands there spamming the same moves lol.
Looool I love this, Justin straight up just whiff punishing Goodman back to back. That's definitely more what won this instead of running the clock down, good shit I'd still like to play you in this sometime, probably will meet in another online tournament if nothing else (I got 2nd in the last Final Round this was at where Justin got first).
I'd Like To See Justin Play DBZ Supersonic Warriors 2,Without The Boss Hack,And Try To Beat SS2 Goku!It's So Beautiful When Goku Just Spams Supreme Kamehamehas And Supreme Shots,And You Just Burn To Death In A Infinite Hitstun HELL!I Am The Reason People Can Use Him Now!
Once you figure out Goodman, he's not really that hard (King Leo is easily the hardest boss of the game and Neo Dio the easiest overall), and with the right moves you can time out him easily, some characters can KO him easy like Haohmaru with just 1 single normal move.
Really king leo is hard? I defeated him easily with lots of characters including mars people on the hardest difficulty setting. I find mizuchi much more cheap.
@@loiedonn4192 It depends, Mizuchi is kinda unpredictable what he does, Neo-Dio feels like a harder standard character overall (hence why is the easiest... especially if you played World Heroes Perfect in the past, as excluding the few extra trick he has, he's overall no different from said game) and King Leo while he can be hard at 1st, he's kinda predictable in the long run (I still find him harder than Mizuchi and Goodman personally) and Goodman is veeery predictable but he's difficult because you have to find the best stuff to do with the characters you use as he likes to give you no time to break between his attacks.
@@PikangsFutaba guess you're right. I was just shock people find king leo hard. I defeated him the first time I fought him. His flying kick is really silly and soo easy to dodge.
Hey man how are you doing? In regards to your Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 issue with Shao Khan: there is a modder in the community who answered your question about Shao Khan “backwards” victory knee (the rising anti air charge). His name is TehDrewsus. He’s on RUclips, so look him up. I hope it answers your question about the mechanics of UMK3. 😎
Even though I suck at fighting games I can put up with a lot of boss bs, I mean I have to be able to put up with it as KOF is my 3rd favourite fighting series. But just watching this boss I can tell he's one boss I would just give up trying to beat because I wouldn't think it's worth it lol I have a bs limit that once something goes over it I don't think it's worth my time trying lol
Awesome video! Is the closing background music to this video (and many others) the theme to Sega Saturn’s Nights? Sounds very familiar. Thanks in advance to anyone who knows this!
This guy has almost ivan ooze energy minus the s and armor. He's the one I always struggled on unless I cheesed him with marco and haohmaru. You also need to dash cancel or he will just frametrap you over and over again. It's a mechanics check boss.
I swear this is how King of Fighters bosses used to be and now that honor has been transferred to late game Elden Ring bosses... Because trust me...those bosses don't mess around in Elden Ring to the point where I have not managed to beat a single one yet 10 hours IN! The best thing I've managed to beat in Elden Ring is a large troll enemy that isn't even a boss...
He did that on a stream, he considered unworthy of a video (he beated Neo Dio on his 1st try, he's easily the most fair boss of NGBC overall... yeah, he has some cheap stuff but way more tolerable compared to the other 3 bosses, and one of his DM's being unblockable... if you have played World Heroes Perfect, you already know that specific DM must be avoided instead of trying to block... the playable version had that unblockable part nerfed).
I've been playing video games wrong all this time. I need to just play time out keep away characters. I should be Floyd mayweathering all of these fighting games
Yo Justin, I know you don't like Dragon Ball Fighters too much but right now I think for a week they have an Android 21 boss event and I think you should try it. You basically have to beat her five or six times and she gets harder and harder every match
He did it on a stream, but he did it 1st try without much of a hazzle, and he considered him unworthy of a video (on that same stream he did Magaki and SNK Galactus rev.1.0).
weren't there snk bosses that required you to beat them and won automatically if you tried to time them out. I am not sure if this is a KOF/ SNK thing or something from some other game series but I recall many bosses I faced back in the day where you couldn't time them out and win. I hadn't played old games like this in a long time so I hope that someone here can help me to remember what games didn't allow time out wins.
Having played Neo Geo Battle Coliseum multiple times, I have to say Goodman is one of the most annoying bosses in any fighting game. He's even more difficult than Magaki in KOF XI!
Lol Your never can lame at the lame god. No matter if you are a Human, AI, Alien, mounster. I'am the lame god, me Justin Wong. This dude is the best of the best
I just imagine this scenario.
Boss: "I will bring ultimate destruction to the planet and everyone!"
Battle rages on, timer dings. Boss: "OK well you win..."
That switching characters pattern timer scam was truly an old school piece of tech on display. That's how you have to do it in these old games. Take everything that works against a human and toss it out the window immediately.
Just reaching Goodman is already a pain in the ass.
Yup, I remember playing this game on an actual Arcade back in 2012 and I was saw as a hero as I was the only player to be able to get the Goodman fight as nobody knew the conditions (aside of the operator), eventually I took down all of the operator's high KO scores to the point he and I ended up competing each other, my best run was around 30 KO's and it is a shame that I can't see my own score anymore at the arcade.
They should have given you the arcade
Justin : we need a good strategy
Goodman: AHHHHHHGHHH
This was hilarious, but on a serious note it's actually fun to see a very skilled player such as Justin taking on these cheap AIs
Funny enough and I'm glad justin noticed as well is that Goodman isn't as hard as King Lion. King lion is on a whole different level
Yup, Goodman just hardly let you do stuff, but he clearely shows that factor is ALSO his big weakeness (depending on which character you use, you can cheese him out, like Terry just using Burn Knuckle, Marco's Heavy Machine Gun, Haohmaru's high slash attack, Akari's DP with HK to fall over Goodman, etc... however some need to have the perfect distance to do the cheese like Hotaru), King Leo at the other hand... you really need to figure out how to aproach (also King Leo has somewhat a hard time against command grabs, that is pretty much his only weakness... and that doesn't help much compared of how you can deal with Goodman), Mizuchi has his own cheap stuff and Neo Dio has one more move than the playable version and just like in World Heroes Perfect, one of his DM's is unblockable, but other than that Neo Dio as a boss is low tier (not easy, but back when I fought him the 1st time, despite losing the match I got really close with 2 characters I suck a lot, something that I could not say the same for the other 3 bosses).
2:30 I'm pretty sure this was the ai actually doing the guard cancel. A feature they brought back from svc chaos where pressing forward twice would get you out of blockstun almost instantly. Allowing you to punish moves that are normally safe.
not just guard cancel, but it's a guard cancel blowback which exists in KOF too and done with CD. The guard cancel emergency roll also exists in KOF. SvC Chaos has 2 types including the one you mentioned tapping forward twice
Only way I beat him was with Haromaru/standing strong slash. Takes off 75% life per hit.
Yeah, without that cheese, Goodman can be quite difficult until you figure out his AI, Haohmaru has that match as the easiest, standing strong slash when Goodman does his attacks can potentially end up with a Perfect victory.
J. Wongg: *"That's unblockable?!"*
*Goodoman Iguniso*: *Yes*
3:47 Iori does the "Psycho Crusher" 😅
Goodman's got more combo breakers than a KI character, but you can't break a combo if the other player's just laming you out 🙂
Oh God... Justin not using Haohmaru on this game against the bosses basically increases the difficulty tenfold XD.
This man... he knows
@@darylcastillo1439 XD. If your using Haohmaru you have tô play against 2 bosses. Go on training and go against King Lion and Mizuchi(even on training they still have The regen and CPU only boss moves) and see if you can win. You will have tô defeat then both as theres no time on training só time out strats is out;). I used tô do it alot for fun back then on Max difficult.
Haohmaru is truly built different in this game and he ain't even top tier lmao
@@Ghostface711 yeah The top 3 are Hotaru, Mr Big and Kim. Haohmaru is high tier through.
@@Rugalbernstein777 Big isn't top 3 anymore
he got booted to top 6 recently with the rise of robert and washizuka
Justin is the type to fight Jiren get bodied and the Tournament of Power's time runs out and Justin says *"FREE"* with all the blood and scars on him
Goodman Pallet Swap Igniz....And just as cheap.
And another time over.
Sam Sho IV's Zankuro wouldn't allow that!
For all your amazing skills kind sir at times i feel your editor is the real MVP 👍
Ah yes, the good old "I'm starting to get it down" early on, after which it still takes ages to beat it.
Dang look like Goodman came straight out from Castlevania
Basically a recyled Igniz lol
for everything Goodman is and isn't... like most of this OST, his theme is AMAZING. like I actually heard it way before I was able to get it on ps2 and was like, WHO IS THIS SONG FOR? I've only fought Goodman ONCE the entire time I've owned this game... it wasn't fun lol.
the Arranged OST version of Goodman's theme is so much better. It's definitely one of their best theme
@@Kain_R_Heinlein I actually like both equally for different reasons. It kinda just depends on my mood which one I wanna hear.
A “W” is a “W”, either by timing out or straight beat down.
He drops his guard when he tries to reflect your attack and when he throws his fire over you. Thanks I found his exploit.
The fact that Jwong is literally the godfather of high level fighting gameplay and he won by timeout shows you how stupid busted SNK bosses truly were. You really have to break the game to beat them its so dumb but I love it
Yeah, I was like "WTF is this?! A fighting game or an obstacle course?!"
XD
It mostly shows how exploitable SNK bosses could be. Justin goes for the easy safe path to victory (simple combos, simple powerful characters, etc), and will switch to the lamest tactics he can find when that isn't enough. Even the video editor inserts jokes about Justin exploiting timeout victories. Heck, he beat Fighting Layer by using an unplayable busted sub-boss (enabled through an emulator cheat?) capable of glitching outside the arena boundary.
@@BainesMkII Yeah, and let's be honest, we love to be as cheap as possible against the AI, I still remember how painfull was my 1st experience against Goodman, people at the arcades got shocked to see the true final boss of the game as they never managed to figure out how to make him appear (except for the arcade operator), after that, a lot of people tried their luck against Goodman but all of them ended up in failure, eventually I was able to fill the KO scores of the arcade game with my own performances as I was able to consistently reach and beat Goodman on my 1st try of each run and it became a contest between me and the arcade operator to keep our scores.
Justin's an expert at high level fighting gameplay against HUMANS. Humans can be predicted and outplayed if you have better intuition and reaction time, which he definitely has. None of that means anything against the computer that literally intercepts your button inputs and applies pre-programmed counters on those interceptions.
@@onemuststand7353 The AI is worse and cheaper the better you are at the game
Input reading at its finest.
So to everyone complaining that he always cheesing out the boss remember that input reading is made to be able to beat you however good you might be no matter the cost.
Justin Wong fighting a broken boss character videos are comfy as fuck.
The fact that this guy looks a little like Igniz is a red flag straight away. He isn't the hardest of the bosses in this game but he is the definition of cheap. I mean, he just stands there spamming the same moves lol.
Is because he only has those moves
And has sense that Goodman looks like Igniz as a representation of the warez
Looool I love this, Justin straight up just whiff punishing Goodman back to back. That's definitely more what won this instead of running the clock down, good shit
I'd still like to play you in this sometime, probably will meet in another online tournament if nothing else (I got 2nd in the last Final Round this was at where Justin got first).
I hope this series gets to the point where he tries to beat Rare Akuma in MUGEN using a normal character.
I wish him luck if it ever comes down to that, lol.
Always lovely when the boss can just hit you in the middle of hitstun!
I'd Like To See Justin Play DBZ Supersonic Warriors 2,Without The Boss Hack,And Try To Beat SS2 Goku!It's So Beautiful When Goku Just Spams Supreme Kamehamehas And Supreme Shots,And You Just Burn To Death In A Infinite Hitstun HELL!I Am The Reason People Can Use Him Now!
Once you figure out Goodman, he's not really that hard (King Leo is easily the hardest boss of the game and Neo Dio the easiest overall), and with the right moves you can time out him easily, some characters can KO him easy like Haohmaru with just 1 single normal move.
goodman is unbeatable he just lets u win coz he gets bored
@@bighamgrizles lol nah, there's an easy way with Haohmaru, Genjyuro. And Kyo and anyone with a good overhead crossup can get him on a loop on wakeup
Really king leo is hard?
I defeated him easily with lots of characters including mars people on the hardest difficulty setting.
I find mizuchi much more cheap.
@@loiedonn4192 It depends, Mizuchi is kinda unpredictable what he does, Neo-Dio feels like a harder standard character overall (hence why is the easiest... especially if you played World Heroes Perfect in the past, as excluding the few extra trick he has, he's overall no different from said game) and King Leo while he can be hard at 1st, he's kinda predictable in the long run (I still find him harder than Mizuchi and Goodman personally) and Goodman is veeery predictable but he's difficult because you have to find the best stuff to do with the characters you use as he likes to give you no time to break between his attacks.
@@PikangsFutaba guess you're right.
I was just shock people find king leo hard.
I defeated him the first time I fought him.
His flying kick is really silly and soo easy to dodge.
"Lame, for the Lame God!!"
Hardest 3 KOF bosses...
3 Ingiz Lvl 8
2 OROCHI
#1....SECRET RUGAL... I THINK YOU CAN ONLY FIGHT HIM ONCE... HARD AS HELLZ TO BEAT...
Bruh, Orochi is Fuckin easy
@@ryuzakimcdouchebag2619 I'M THINKING OF GOD OROCHI OF MUGEN... YEAH MY BAD...
@@DARKONE-E.I.C.O.S.A.T. Oh god yeah fuck that shit.
Hey man how are you doing? In regards to your Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 issue with Shao Khan: there is a modder in the community who answered your question about Shao Khan “backwards” victory knee (the rising anti air charge). His name is TehDrewsus. He’s on RUclips, so look him up. I hope it answers your question about the mechanics of UMK3. 😎
Wong: "Is he a Castlevania Character?"
Me: Might be...🤷♂️
Got to admit... being lame is such a skillful technique
With Marco, doing only "heavy machine gun" near to him works
Forgot about this nightmare… 😅
I love NGBC so much. I want a modern release
Goodman looks like Alucard on steroids
That has to be one of the most aggravating sound effects in video game history
Whoever designed this boss should be blacklisted by any competent developer out there.
Bosses that ignore dramatic pauses in fighting games like these are so funny.
When the boss has the power of Castlevania and LEAN on his side.
Lol
Having goodman as a puppet char in kof woulda been fun
Love the FF7 music at the timeout!
Who else knew before the gameplay started Justin was gonna win by laming the boss 😂 🙋🏾♂
Well as the Mighty Jinglss would say "if it's stupid but it works the it's not stupid".
That boss was crazy! Another game that has a crazy boss is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Tournoment Fighters on the SNES. I think you would like it.
To be fair Goodman is the easiest along with Neo Dio, King Leo and Mizuchi were so much worts
Boss obviously haven't watched any of Justin's EVO video before or he'd seen this coming lol.
Yeah I forgot Goodman has a summoning spiritual Jiujutsu O.o
The General > Goodman. What if there were a General Goodman? Lamest boss ever
Goodman turns you into Badperson from the hate and rage you feel...
How many coins to say it free? Hahah
It was funny to watch Justin
Good work
Even though I suck at fighting games I can put up with a lot of boss bs, I mean I have to be able to put up with it as KOF is my 3rd favourite fighting series. But just watching this boss I can tell he's one boss I would just give up trying to beat because I wouldn't think it's worth it lol
I have a bs limit that once something goes over it I don't think it's worth my time trying lol
I feel this bosses are harder for jwong cus he don't know good combos
Before i click Play, let me just say o Respect Justin for attempting this Blasphemy of a boss
Awesome video! Is the closing background music to this video (and many others) the theme to Sega Saturn’s Nights? Sounds very familiar. Thanks in advance to anyone who knows this!
This guy has almost ivan ooze energy minus the s and armor. He's the one I always struggled on unless I cheesed him with marco and haohmaru. You also need to dash cancel or he will just frametrap you over and over again. It's a mechanics check boss.
John Goodman got a nasty descendant
i keep hearing that soundgarden song "outshined", only outLAMED
I swear this is how King of Fighters bosses used to be and now that honor has been transferred to late game Elden Ring bosses...
Because trust me...those bosses don't mess around in Elden Ring to the point where I have not managed to beat a single one yet 10 hours IN!
The best thing I've managed to beat in Elden Ring is a large troll enemy that isn't even a boss...
"Goodman". Nice trolling there.
What the, It's fusion of Igniz, Iori and Kyo.
You've faced 3 out of the 4 bosses. Neo Dio needs to be beat by all of Panda or just by yourself.
This is probably one of the toughest bosses to date god dam
This is legit what ive been waiting for
The Iori chump check sweep works even on gods
i love the end. hold dat.
Next fight Neo-Dio.
He did that on a stream, he considered unworthy of a video (he beated Neo Dio on his 1st try, he's easily the most fair boss of NGBC overall... yeah, he has some cheap stuff but way more tolerable compared to the other 3 bosses, and one of his DM's being unblockable... if you have played World Heroes Perfect, you already know that specific DM must be avoided instead of trying to block... the playable version had that unblockable part nerfed).
bro play shwarzenblitzen next it’s insane it’s like 3d strike made love with soul caliber
Pretty fair boss. I mean, he's only got a whip...
Yyeeessss finally, thank youu!
"If you wanna see how I beat this keep watching"
Me an Intellectual: I'll be he time him out
Lol nailed it
Goodman is Illuminati
Lame God makes his return lmao good stuff
Isnt it funny how every single NGBC bosses has been a time out win? HMMM...
Let's go Justin! Pallet swap UMVC3!
Mr. Justin Wong Goodman is your new name lol
Let's Go Justin💥✨.
You should beat NeoDio first, then Goodman
No lie I don't know how I beat this game as a kid like 6-9 years old with every character unlocked
Next we go back to classics and fight 2002 Rugal and have 1 complete pkauthrough of KoF 2003?
And Justin Wong will continue to suffer in boss fighting
I've been playing video games wrong all this time.
I need to just play time out keep away characters. I should be Floyd mayweathering all of these fighting games
Such a classic, wong is the best at timers
Yo Justin, I know you don't like Dragon Ball Fighters too much but right now I think for a week they have an Android 21 boss event and I think you should try it.
You basically have to beat her five or six times and she gets harder and harder every match
I want to see justin take all Goodman's energy bar in rematch. Let's gooooooo justin.
Goodman is by far the HARDEST of the three, lol. KOF WING legend (if you know, you know)
How is it free after getting wrecked 30+ times
🤔
Getting Bodied for an Hour + (1win + Timeout) = FREE
have u done samurai shodown 2 yet? level 8 mizuki
"It's unblockable?" - Me playing Elden Ring 😛
Now beat him with a K.O.
Take your time.
Goodman out here playin Smash 😆😆😆😆
Good job Justin you beat the boss and this guy was difficult he's not easy keep it up I'm proud of you
Thanks Justin Wong I appreciate you so much keep it up I'm right here watching you
So did you fight Neo Dio? I feel like there is a boss missing
He did it on a stream, but he did it 1st try without much of a hazzle, and he considered him unworthy of a video (on that same stream he did Magaki and SNK Galactus rev.1.0).
Neo Dio is the easiest boss of the bunch easily
When are you facing off vs Dark Ash? ;-;
BLAZING PURPLE FIRE SIMIAN OF DEATH & DESTRUCTION?... O.o
weren't there snk bosses that required you to beat them and won automatically if you tried to time them out. I am not sure if this is a KOF/ SNK thing or something from some other game series but I recall many bosses I faced back in the day where you couldn't time them out and win. I hadn't played old games like this in a long time so I hope that someone here can help me to remember what games didn't allow time out wins.
Have you played against the secret bosses of snk chaos?
Having played Neo Geo Battle Coliseum multiple times, I have to say Goodman is one of the most annoying bosses in any fighting game. He's even more difficult than Magaki in KOF XI!
It's not free if you loose a match. C'mon jwong
The FF VII fanfare is the coolest 😎
Lol
Your never can lame at the lame god.
No matter if you are a Human, AI, Alien, mounster.
I'am the lame god, me Justin Wong.
This dude is the best of the best
Justin Wong... another victim of the Snk Boss difficult Sindrome XD