"They’re Bad at Magic!” - Character Concerns
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"Knowledge is power"
"So is Fireball"
"Fireball is power-ful!"
Fizban the Fabulous -- Dragonlance.
Knowledge is fireball
I have a cleric without proficiency in Religion but with access to the Borrowed Knowledge spel (as clerics do)l.
So he commissioned a book worth over 25 gp (to use as component for the spell). The title of said book?
"Knowledge is Power."
I didn't ask how big the room is
I thought the direction this was going to go was a sorcerer masquerading as a wizard. It would explain his competency in practice but his failure in theory lol
same here
Still might be the case.
Maybe. Or maybe it’s a lot easier for a rogue/warlock to have great arcana than a wizard. Who knows? Guess we’ll have to wait n see…
@@CinderblocksallyJust get scribes wizard + skill expert! And make your dm rip his hair out with consistently 30+ arcana checks! Bonus if you use a Mizzium apparatus!
@@Cinderblocksally When a Wizard actually has Expertise in Arcana, it's a Feat...
“Which 9th level spell should I pick”
Bro’s a sorcerer.
Or a adnd wizard with base 9 int.
Its very expensive to get 2 9th level spells. That or losing an existing spell which kinda sucks
Lol, I love in universe aknowledgment of minor mistakes
if we don't have continuity, we have nothing
I will now use this.
A lore bard faking being a wizard interested in the secret histories that the wizards keep for themselves,without being interested in magic itself
Make him call himself a wizard historian, so when he’s put on the spot he can say “I never said I was a wizard.” Getting by on the ambiguity of the wording. Maybe you could even go the ignorant route, and make him unaware that he was hired to be a wizard and not a wizard historian.
Collage of Lore. Easiest excuse for why a bard seems so much alike a wizard, without being a wizard.
I always thought it was wild how rogues and bards can have better arcana checks than wizards out of the box and that wizards don't get arcana proficiency automatically unless they choose it. You can legit make a wizard with no arcana proficency... how was that allowed?
I know a lot of people with a Japanese degree who can't speak Japanese
They could be a hedge wizard. They taught themselves how to cast spells, and likely had to experiment when learning new ones. Having never been part of a community of scholars/wizards/ect, they haven't had the opportunity to explore history/applications of different magics/realms.
Just because you flunked out of wizard's school doesn't mean you can't still become an adventurer. Might argue failing academically would be a good hook for falling into adventuring as a backup plan. Rarer for those with bright futures to risk their lives for a living. ...Still, it is 100% great the 5.24E rules will be giving expertise in a knowledge skill of choice to Wizard (still not requiring it to be Arcana if you want to go for a different flavor), and a scholarly Wizard is the type I like to play. Both subverting convention and playing things straight are valid styles of play, so support for both is ideal.
I will second I think its absolutely insane a Rogue can somehow get a higher Arcana than a well-trained Wizard, or even higher Athletics than the Barbarian or Fighter.
I am currently playing a Wizard without Arcana proficiency, and that is a choice, and can be fun, both in roleplay and mechanics.
But, if I'm playing the old wizard who's been studying for as long as the street raised arcane trickster has been alive... why should they be able to be higher than me?
Sure there's reasons you can think up where it would make sense, but I don't think you should have to. This is why, in my games, almost every class gets a new feature, at the same level as their subclass. They can upgrade one of their class skills, (or subclass skills), from either untrained to proficient, or from proficient to expert.
The rogue still can do this more, and still has no check on which skills they can have access to. So the Rogue is still a better skill monkey, able to be proficient in a wide array of things.
But this gives each class a chance to be the authority on their subject. Now the Druid can be the expert on animal handling, or nature if they want. The Cleric has studied all religious doctrine and theory, and the Bard will always throw you the best performance around.
I think it has something to do with gutterborn wizard archetype
_’Especially the _*_wizard.’_*
Your ability to accept mistakes and roll with them and make them a brilliantly fun part of the story is *chef's kiss*
This is a new reason I respect you.
The wizard is a secret sorcerer
He's not a wizard, he's a secret sorcerer.
Noticed the extra grayness of the warlock then noticed that you did got more gray compared to the first shorts i saw from you and that is fascinating to see.
It changes on camera pretty dramatically depending on the lighting. If I ever get good at lighting, I could probably use it to my benefit.
Wizard with -4 in Int
Except then they wouldn't be a competent spell caster, since int is their spell casting ability.
@@MartinFinnerup It's doable, but you'd have to focus on spells that don't have spell attack rolls or saves. Basically you'd use most of your spell slots for utility and buffing rather than offense or control.
@@MartinFinnerup nuh uh
Max out Dex and get the War caster feat
Armor of Agathys and Booming Blade should be your main spells
be a dwarf with school of aburajtion
Tadah, you now hove low int wizard
@@MartinFinnerup Just be s necromancer or summoner or buff focused one. Its honestly sad how many things do not care at all how high your int is. A 1 int wizard could by rules summon an army and buff them as well as any other wizard.
“Don’t mind them”
“Oh, it’s okay, they’re idiots”
I honestly thought that the wizard would create major image of dragon for the safety. Or maybe Illusory Dragon if he has the spell slot and would like more realism
Wizard bought his magical arts degree from a diploma mill in Westgate.
"FIREBALL"
+Parry
A wizard without proficiency in Arcana is just a socerer that gets their power from a book.
Sad to see a sorcerer masquerade as a nerd. The wizard hat must be earned, my child.
Nice. Very funny way to address "those" comments
My current party has a Wizard, a Warlock and a Sorcerer; none of them have proficiency in arcana.
"Hear no Evyl, speak no Evyl, see no Evyl,. Hey, where's the Bard? Oh. Having all the fun." By the 'All Caster Party' band
Or Larry, Moe,and Curly casters in the Party. :)
I like that Ninja and White Sage can talk about these things. Especially against Black Mage.
The Wizard actually being a Party Magician would be insanely funmy 😂😂😂
The rouge warlock shold be called rougelock. It fits
Which one to pick in the moment... you still learn spells as you level up!
This is the other end of the stick: information that is valued to one person is often of necessary value to the group. For instance, what if he wasn’t a wizard and quite possibly a Lytch(DND) for instance? This is where forwarding to a higher power is necessary and beneficial to the group.
Sorcerer behaviour
I thought this would be a thing where another class was pretending to be a wizard but a wizard being not proficient in arcana so he gets things wrong sometimes is pretty funny
I mean, wizards can take more than one or can take only one and more spells from lower levels, which seems more practical since you can only cast one 9th lv spell per day but many of lower levels and you can only prepare 25 at max but many level 1, 2, 3 and 5 spells of the wizard spell list are interesting (sending is a perfect example). Also even if it's stated that sending can contact creatures in other planes you have to be familiar with the creature which isn't possible if plane shifting isn't involved otherwise goo warlocks would be contacting daddy chtulu every now and then.
Second best D&D group ever! The first? Delicious in Dungeon
When the wizard and the Barbarian are possibly Int bros...at least in spirit.
I thought it was gonna be that the wizard was actually a sorcerer in disguise who went to wizard school and is good at magic despite having horrible grades and barely passing
Sounds to me wizard is used to dealing with control freak DMs.
I once had a paladin who couldn't cast spells
It's a perfectly functional Paladin to not spend your smite slots on spells.
I love cleric/therapist character
Imagine if a warlock and a paladin had the same being giving them power
The Cleric sweating because he doesn't have proficiency in Religion
Moooaaae of this! It's so gooood
Poor sap can't even scribe his own spell scrolls
I miss our Edge Lord player. But when he threw a ceramic bowl at someone's head and I had to knock him out and throw him out of my house and lock him out we just couldn't have him over anymore.
Great role player, troubled dude.
He's a Sorcerer
I think the rogue's warlock patron is the comments section
I think he's a sorcerer...
nefarious, with eyes that burn like fire(ball)
I did this in older editions some times purposfully wouldnt pick any of the "magical" languages and not take knowledges or use magic device was fun to be like nah i just learned from this book never studied anything else
plot twist: they're a sorcerer that thinks they're a wizard
I had a player who wanted to use spells from some pretty wild alternative rulebooks. I told him that I would allow it IF he didn't take proficiency in arcana. The idea being that he was self-taught and thus came up with some pretty weird magic that didn't fit the mainstream.
He had a wild time with it.
"You think I went to some official school for this? I'm self taught, I'm just Autistic"
Little does Edgy know
Though they're right
Wizards don't get multiple spells by default
So careful choices must be made when they get them to start with
Clearly it's his hat. A wizard requires a pointy hat with a floppy brim. His hat is floppy, and it is pointy, however, it doesn't have a brim, this is holding him back.
These are great
bro’s went to wizard school and somehow succeeded in most things despite not understanding shit
now he thinks he’s a wizard but unbeknownst to him he’s actually a sorcerer
so in other words he’s a sorcerer pretending to be a wizard
I thought the wizard was a sorcerer
A wizard without proficiency in arcana is like a cleric without a skill focus in religion. >.>
I've been tinkering with a College of Lore Bard that is trying to pass himself off as a wizard. They can cast a few wizard-y spells. But whenever they are questioned about their wizard prowess, they use persuasion and deception to bluff their way out of checks that a Wizard could pass no problem.
Random D&D question: how would you go about running a bullet hell character, player or otherwise?
Not sure what you mean by bullet hell character. If you mean taking inspiration from those games where there’s lots of stuff flying all over the screen - that doesn’t really work with dnd. Dnds turn based combat doesn’t really lend itself to that. You could be a fighter and get a lot of attacks (especially with action surge), or you could be a spellcaster reflavor yout larger AoE spells as “bull hell” moments. Not sure how much those would help sell the fiction, but that’s about as close as I could think to get.
Honestly, a sorcerer who isn't proficient in Arcana would kinda make sense, since they're just born with it. Story-wise, it might be interesting. Gameplay-wife, it would probably suck.
To be fair, the wizard learned fireball.
What other spells are there to pick after that?
Who is the one in the green hat? The ranger? Druid? Ranger druid? Tree hugger?
Clearly his other 9th level spell is fireball
The UU's gonna come down on that man hard for impersonating a Wizard. He has a hat and everything, it isn't gonna be pretty.
Wizard is a sorcerer with a hat and diary
I still think a better nickname for the rogue / warlock would be a rolock. also that ain't no wizard, that's a sorcerer who thinks he's a wizard
They might be a sorcerer
Theres only one class that gets only 1 9th level spell. Warlock.
Need to be proficient in arcana to be a wizard ?
Screw that im gonna keep casting with charisma.
Cleric is very nice.
Rouge is jack black
No he’s right, at 17th level wizards get wish and one spell to be chosen
I think your wizard is ChatGPT
To be fair
You only get one 9th lvl slot, so, there's sorta no real need to actually learn more than one. If your DM forgets to hand out scrolls, you only learn 2 spells a level, so you very well might not have the luxury of learning a bunch of those highest lvl spells
As for Sending, that might just be a misunderstanding of intent. For one, perhaps the wizard said that because he simply doesn't want to, or has no means to do so (isn't familiar with anyone on different planes/feels wasting a fireball slot on a letter that might not get there isn't a good plan)
With that 5%, the best case scenario is it's established that everyone replies with at least an "acknowledged" when they receive a message. So even if they receive it, there's a further 5% chance you don't find out they did, and you have to spend another slot making sure. Or maybe the wizard knows something you don't, perhaps in that world, there's some sort of temporal conversation that means, unless you're opening a gate or plane shifting to talk directly, your message could take 1 to 1 million business days to get there?
Kindly, you're the party edgelord, not the wizard, you don't necessarily know the wizard's situation lol
Especially since WOTC can't hecking write spell descriptions that aren't completely up to interpretation lmao
God damn
Like
It's implied that the forked platinum rod for Plane Shift has to be attuned to the plane you want to go
And that's how most people run it
But technically
It just has to be attuned to any plane, and if you have it, you can go to any plane
And some dms will rule Etherealness as the wall walking and spying spell
And others will have monsters native to the Ethereal plane try to kick your ass if you try to use it
And don't even get me started on Glyph of Warding
Ooc rules knowledge doesn't translate to knowing how magic works
Only the dm knows that
That's what happens when the wizard secretly duel classes into a barbarian. he's dumb. He still can cast spells and when he gets pissed off he gets unreasonably Strong
Thats a sorc bro
I think he is a sorcerer disguising himself as a wizard.
So Rincewind?
Rincewind couldn't even cast _one_ fireball. Of course, he is the repository of one of the most powerful 8 spells in existence, if I remember correctly.
You should dye your beard salt and pepper, would look dope
read your spells? i dunno
is this retconning for RUclips shorts?
Hi
Wizards can still only learn 1 9th level spell. I don't get it 😭
Ha!
🤣👌
MTF how the fuck does a in game warlock just... know the exact fail chance of sending. To me this is like a NPC refering to a sword as a "+2" is just strange...
So, he is an idiot?
Firstl
Is there any possible way to make the blood hunter even better than before?🩸🗡️💀😈
Honest answer: yes. A lot of ways. As cool as some of its subclass ideas are, the blood hunter is not very well designed.
@@Cinderblocksally what way do you think could make it work better if I were so say, try and go for a blade singer or Eldritch knight mechanic?
@@druid101 I’d say be a bladesinger/eldritch knight, or a bladesinger/battlesmith artificer or some combination of monster slayer ranger and either Druid or cleric.
If you like the blood hunter and are having fun, go for it! Just because I don’t think it’s well designed doesn’t mean you won’t have fun or shouldn’t be it. But if you want my opinion, it would be: be something else.