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Artists that I hate
1: Picasso
sounds good.subscribed and looking forward to a deep dive
Nick Cave is amazing. You should listen to his 1st album From Her to Eternity. His music is great, emotionally it is great also, and the lyrics are great. The music is very complex it is not simple at all, Blixa Bergeld and Warren Ellis were both in his band. Also the 1st Roxy music album with Brian Eno is fantastic. there are far more overrated artists
Things really got interesting when you talked about playing covers that you didn't like in order to please the audience . I sang and played guitar in two gigging bands many years ago when I was in my teens and twenties . In the beginning we played 1/2 covers and we wrote the rest of the songs ourselves. I clearly remember how my enthusiasm waned as a greater percentage of covers inevitably crept into our sets . For me the creative process of writing and performing our own material was what I found exciting. Now when a song that we had covered comes on the radio I turn it off !
@AndyEdwardsDrummer, thank you. The experience of watching listen to this video, especially near the end, was musical to me.
In 1968 I was 14 and my brother brought home Led Zeppelin's first album. Nobody had heard of Zep. I put the album on the turntable and 46 minutes later I was stunned into paralysis. Cream, Zep, Sgt. Pepper's and Mystery Tour were all I needed. Jimi too. Eric's solo on I Feel Free (late 66) changed my life and prepared me for a sonic adventure and I borrowed a guitar in 1969. In 1972 I saved enough money - 150 bucks - for a Les Paul Junior, my first guitar (rock and roll snobs made fun of my guitar) and then years later Keith brings a yellow LP Junior to live Stones and the price of the model went from 200 dollars to two-thousand. I traded the LP Junior for an Epiphone Wilshire, the best electric I have ever touched. That same year Johnny Winter picked up an Epiphone Wilshire as a touring guitar. 1973. Currently I play an Epiphone SG, 200 bucks plus shipping. Yes, we used to "jam".
The Zeps Burning Phallos album was released 1969 but yes, its their rare good album.
I met Bryan Ferry. He is very shy and socially akward. That can be misconstrued for snobism or aloofness.
I genuinely think this is the best channel on RUclips right now.
Compared to a channel devoted to Joe Biden speeches? Yes I agree!
pop FACT: Cher was going to replace Geri Halliwell in the Spice Girls with the nickname "Old Spice"
Priceless 😅 👍
Tsh-boom.
Cruel, but fair.
Bum bum!
"Good. Good. Feel the hate flowing through you."
Sheev Palpatine, Emperor.
😂
Nick Cave is fantastic but he's an acquired taste. Very cool and a very clever writer and lyricist. Great style too but I guess it's all about personal taste. Barry White was cool too. Kind of a soul music comedy act but kind of cool. Van Morrison was fabulous! He might be a tosser but I couldn't give a shit. He's done a lot of excellent music. Astral Weeks is a truly great album. There are others too. Ok, so Cher - I couldn't agree more. Her songs are basically all stupid and frankly, decidedly unmusical. She's the most overrated singer ever, surely. She just sounds bad. Looks bloody horrible too if you ask me. Can't agree with Bryan Ferry. Yea, I know - the BrYan with a Y is rather annoying. However, he was great with Roxy Music, who were a superb band. He did also do some good solo songs in the 70s, and NO mate, you can't sing like him! However, Roxy is certainly what gave Bryan some valid meaning. He was a very clever new wave song writer with them. Meatloaf I agree with. Stupid, really. I think he himself thought was the Walrus of Love! However, Miles, Coltrane, Zappa, McLaughlin, these are some great names you're talking here.
I agree that late punk, going into new wave was a great period in British music. The Police are my favourite commercial rock band ever. What an absolutely fabulous three piece. They had everything. Motorhead - awesome! Ian Dury And The Block Heads. I'm laughing at your dad. He sounds so like mine. So much of the same serious disapproval of certain music, while being very astute at the same time. He was super smart. Although I didn't get it at the time and just thought he was an old bastard. Nowadays I can almost see things through his eyes at the time and understand why he thought and felt what he did, even though I don't really concur.
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds are literally on a par with the likes of Tom Waits. Nick is a great lyric writer imho. The Boatman's Call, Murder Ballads, Lyre of Orpheus, No More Shall We Part, Push The Sky Away, Ghosteen, Let Love In. Or tracks like, "Into my arms", "Red Right Hand", "The Mercy Seat", "Brompton Oratory", "As I Sat Sadly by Her Side", "And No More Shall We Part", "God Is In The House", "Stagger Lee", "The Curse of Millhaven" etc All worth listening, in my humble opinion.
I really like Van Morrison's earlier albums, but I agree he is a bit (a lot) of a tosser these days.
I love the 1970's Roxy albums, especially the earlier albums, those from the days including; Brian Eno/Phil Manzanera/Eddie Jobson. From Roxy Music to Siren and Viva! (the 1970's live album) are all worth a good listening.
Well that's my Two Penn'orth...
You're going to have a tough time topping this one Andy--your best video yet!
Can’t stand Sam Smith and Ed Sheeran
That just won you, me buying you a beer.
I reckon you and 99% of right thinking folk.....
Sam Smith is a chomo.
Ed Sheeran scored some points with me when he played himself as he did in the movie "Yesterday," but indeed Sam Smith is toxic, irradiated garbage, pressure-treated wood, and lead-belted tires all on fire outside an orphanage and set by arsonists. A giant, purposeful disaster best avoided.
@@misterschubert3242 That's proper hatred 😁have to agree
As French, i think i was an outsider for outsiders. Tough !
Despite my poor level of English, I can understand everything. Thanks !
That's the beauty of music, philosophy... Lyfe.
Ferry was superb at interpreting other people's songs. His versions of The 'In' Crowd and The Price Of Love are killers.
and A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
Agree. I don't know why all the 'hate' towards him?? Sure he could be pretentious at times....but nowhere near the levels of people like Bono, and Sting.
Have you heard Ferry's cover of the Robert Palmer song 'Jonny and Mary'? It's a cracking cover.....and so classy. Just manages to avoid being too pretentious. It's well worth checking out! 👍
Amazing ability to keep these list down to just 10😂
Andy, ‘Rap Isn’t music’, your thoughts?…A follow up discussion,’DJs Are Not Musicians/Artists’ Loving the channel!
Personally, i would describe rap as rhythm without music.
I consider rap to be the low, low hanging fruit of the musical tree
I think Andy has expressed his liking - even admiration! - for rap, so you may not get the answer you seem to be looking for!
As an ultimate outsider myself I've never cared about what you're 'supposed' to like or not like. I liked a song I liked no matter who the band or artist was and that includes Being Boring by Pet Shop Boys, Private Investigations by Dire Straights, or Point Blank by Springsteen... anything that hit me in a certain way no matter what genre or if it was a so-called 'hit' or not. That's really what individualism is. Not longing to fit into a certain 'scene' whether an inside one or an Outside one. Not needing to be another Holden Caufield...
Your ring-light looks like a port-hole and with your rocking back and forth it gives it a nautical feel. I like it.
Absolutely wonderful video Andy ! I see you in a new light. Respect !
8:45 The craziest thing about that "If I could turn back time" music video is that one of the guitarists appearing in it is her then-12-year-old son. I would imagine it would be a pretty embarrassing experience spending hours miming to the song at the video shoot while watching your own mum jiggling around in that outfit.
Really enjoyed this video, Andy. Humour and pathos in equal measure.
Love this mix of humor followed by earnest thoughts / heart. Bravo!❤
I can agree to 90 % on that list, but not Brian Ferry ... he was part of some great 70s and 80s music ....
I like early/mid period Roxy Music. I just don’t like it when Ferry does his mellow lounge lizard crooner thing.
I met Bryan Ferry in a pub in Buxton once. He was wearing a wife beater with his trackie-bottoms tucked into his socks, wearing Dunlop green flash. Sound bloke
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Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd was my gateway drug into rock music when I was a teenager
The only person I watch on RUclips. Loved your story.
Thanks to my parents and to being a natural outsider, I left school when I couldn't stand it anymore. I'd practice guitar for hours however, what I found playing around in bands was truckloads of drugs. Moreover, I was interested in original music whereas everyone wanted to do covers and play in pubs. I hated it so I went outside again. Although I've never been overtly religious, it had to be a priest who rekindled my interest in music-making - he would dispense with the usual conservative bunch to have me play original music, sometimes weird ditties, in key points during his celebration. He saved me from the desert by proving that it is more than ok to be an outsider. This gave me enough courage to go through the rest of my other sides of life. Now I'm a family man with a couple of kids and, to support it all I'm a - out of all things - language teacher! It also helps me fund my musical itch which is the best thing in life after love. My wife is a singer/songwriter and, she is considered an outsider as well. There is a good life to be had if you want to be different. Thanks for the inspiration, Mr. Edwards!
I love music you would love and music I guess you would hate. I am 54 and my favourite albums include OK Computer, Rage in Eden by Ultravox, Impossible Princess by Kylie Minogue , Physical Graffiti etc. As an old leftie, I find most modern music so boring. However, if music, literature, films, TV etc move you and take you from the shit of life then great. I think the reason the political system is broken is because politicians are essentially all from the same party and are all owned by the likes of Black Rock etc and they are just puppets. As a working class guy who spent years working on the railway, I hate that working class culture is so derided.
We want the list on the side of the screen back, Andy I bloody love it!
Thanks for this video the second part was a real eye-opener and I am glad you did this and the whole series of recent videos. You are so right that the normal people have been forgotten about. As to us the outsiders, I think we can see the bad stuff all too well and see that it's not just left and right, right and wrong, it's more nuanced and much more messed up than that. I recently turned 50, and I feel listening to music got me this far. I have never been sure about fitting in, and certainly now don't have the urge to do so. I just wish people would see the connections we have and be nicer to each other because division helps no one, debate is vital, listening is essential and compromise often is progress.
Music for me I like the balance of light and dark, but never the Lighthouse Family and preferably not Simply Red, or INXS( I never got them) but if such bands get people through life they are doing their thing. Whatever gets you through the day, is OK, it's tough times.
Thanks once again Andy, I look forward to more humour and pathos videos.
PS I will be buying the Law of Three CD soon.
Wow - the second part of the video - I got started earlier than you (age 7 in 1969) and I knew RIGHT AWAY I wasn't going to be content with "ordinary people music" and if I was going to play the music I heard in my head I needed to start asap. But I have a very distinct memory of going to my public library and asking the librarian with a completely straight face "can you direct me to the WEIRD MUSIC please?" I had to do the search myself because they had no idea what I was asking for. I more or less annexed my mother's guitar by 8 or so and was listening to "Between Nothingness and Eternity" by Mahavishnu Orchestra at 9 or 10. Not your usual kid fare. This was compounded by my father going on business trips and bringing back records as presents you wouldn't normally give a 7 or 8 year old kid: Welsh band Man, Blues legend Mike Bloomfield, plus Segovia, Sousa marching band music, Grieg, Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto, Coltrane "Interstellar Space" hmmm, maybe all of this explains a few things. None of my bands were really commercially viable, I made records for people like myself to listen to. Never a very large population. My office is basically a recording studio with "all of the instruments of rock". I have some great gig stories.
No Bono? No Ed Sheeran? No Taylor Swift? No Madonna? This list is a failure!
It’s artists that he hates not the ones that you hate..get it?
I think he just assumes everyone hates them.
Bono is not "artist" but singer in a band. But I totally agree on Madonna - total brain poison.
Madonna did say that his brother listened to Mahavishnu (although she called them “Maharishi” or something). She also hired some Weather report guys as players. I think there more “hateable” people out there. Same thing with Kanye; at least he was aware of King Crimson.
Bono is amazing
I discovered Zappa in middle school (1980) and acquired his entire catalog (and kept up thorough a bit after his death.
Marinating in Zappa young is a good thing
That idea of being an outsider yet finding a place where you belong, as you did with the metal clubs, is beautifully put. A very good justification of your reasons for making these lists, although you might miss out on some good stuff occasionally.
The list bit was ok, the philosophy portion was great. I played in some garage bands in my late teens & early twenties. We were ok. I thought I could juggle work, school and music but work and school took over and I ended up working close to 30-years at an insurance company. I took a short break in the middle to work as a DJ which was fun but didn’t pay.
A friend of mine told me once, if you stand on the corner long enough, you can see the parade go by twice which is true to an extent but towards the end of my career automation and third party vendors started to rob me and my co-workers of our livelihood and dignity.
Music was my tonic and a lot of albums that I hadn’t listened to in a long time started to make more sense and I started listening to them again. These albums were Pink Floyd’s Animals, Alan Parsons’ I Robot, Rush 2112 and songs like Working Class Hero by John Lennon, Industrial Disease by Dire Straits (a band you bloody hate but that’s ok it’s all subjective and we’re adults and can respectfully disagree), Welcome to the Machine by Pink Floyd. The most cathartic song was probably Elton John’s Burn Down the Mission (because that’s what I wanted to do but don’t tell anyone). With Working Class Hero I could see my coworkers and their fight to make it to middle management.
I used to lie awake at night and wonder what would have happened if I had been more committed to music than I was. I’m sure I would been sacked a couple of times and struggled to make rent from time to time but could I have cut it. A couple of people I jammed with in the garages of my town in Northern California went on to be successful in music. One played drums for a well known San Francisco band and still plays for them and the other went on to session work on bass till that industry collapsed.
I’m retired now. I write songs from time to time, I play keyboards and guitar but not well, but it’s something that I enjoy doing so I’m going to do it till I die.
This video wasn’t what I expected but it went beyond my expectations and I enjoyed your take on why you love or hate a band and why it’s important. Your quote by John Lydon was powerful. (Was lucky enough to see him in Iceland a few years ago). Keep it up. I love this stuff.
Cheers.
What an absolutely amazing video... well not the first part, it was kinda run of the mill, but the extended monologue that follows really got to me. Unforgettable.
Woah, wasn't expecting to end up where we did!! Brilliant video.
Love your comments on going to metal clubs in the 80s, I concur, I never saw any trouble in there, whereas if you went to a 'mainsteam' nightclub you could guarantee that at closing time there would be mayhem.
Agreed with all of them. Having a chat with Richard was good, he needs to feature again as it’s good to bounce ideas off of each other. …and I’ve just subscribed to Richard’s channel too.
I loved this. Keep on with the dark and personal. It feels good, and recognisable. Good on ya.
Loved it, Andy. Thankyou for giving of yourself such that we understand the commonalities in our lives more.
thx for publicly open your heart, takes courage! love 2 u
I dig the universe....the inner universe. Also the outsider's life, their experiences. I was a piano tuner. I started my career at the University of Wisconsin but left to tune pianos and collect records all over America. After 50 years, the near demise of my profession and the vinyl resurgence has forced me to park my van in west Texas. Thank goodness for RUclips and outsiders. I love these kinds of videos.
This Van Morrison slander must cease forthwith.
Thanks for the insights into your life, Andy. I am a few years older (60 now, not long left) but your memories resonated with my own youth.
I played synth and now guitar in a completely abstract improvisational band. Still going after 40+ years. I love music. Genuinely enjoy your company. 😊
This is a very special and great video Andy!
I think I just, by accident, caught your video about Coldplay from the car on Friday. It is now Thanksgiving Thursday. I now see this video where we get to know you. I appreciate this.
I saw Brian Ferry concert maybe a decade ago and it was so much better than I expected. He was very personable, too. My major issue these days is the growing bevy of female pop “singers” who I can’t tell apart so I can’t single any particular person out for my dislike. And finally, Willy Nelson. Great songwriter (think Patsy Cline singing Crazy) but he annoys me.
Ah yes, ‘miscellaneous pop fluff’ I call the gaggle of Identikit foil-wrapped warblers…….
The Escher-esque logo (I'm trying to avoid spoiling) of the law of three gives the impression of a curious structure (mathematical) like a moebius strip or torus where traversing a surface (topologically speaking) takes you to the other side, calling into question the distinction between inside and outside. The distinction is to some extent a fiction and that's one feature that these topological figures demonstrate. The element which introduces the movement from inside to an outside (or "other" side) on the same surface is the CUT and the TWIST in the surface which defines the figure. You enjoy the twist, as your video morphs from "hate" to love, just as your project gives the twist to the term clickbait. Gang of Four spoke of using a similar technique to reach their audience. Love it.
That's the essence of Rock, having an edge, not being "normal", not being square. His idea of hell will be a world where the only music to hear is the Lawrence Welk show.
Yeah, but many of the artists he slagged off have an "edge" and not "normal" ordinary people. Springsteen's lyrics are phenomenal, many of them stellar for pop and rock. Nick Cave;s album Ghosteen is phenomenal.
Loved the banter on Barry White! I think Isaac Hayes did that style of music a lot better (more grit in it) on his Hot Buttered Soul and Black Moses albums. Plus those are more effective as musical accompaniment to indoor games.
Great video! I love the insight into your life and musical tastes.
I loved being an outsider carrying my Mahavishnu Orchestra LPs around....who? my school mates asked....I told them to get back to their Status Quo, Queen and Richard Clayderman!!! I had very few mates who loved jazzrock, and most of those who did were muso's!! It is interesting to hear you talk about your musical development and how the difference in our ages mark that. I remember waiting eagerly for the new Apocalypse album to be released.....
Good on you Professor Edwards
Mahavishnu albums should have been sold with a bottle of Tylenol attached. 🙄
When you get to my age (70), the importance of music changes. Most of what you find precious is all in the past, and no current offerings come close to filling the void. The Shades of Deep Purple, which I found delightful in 1971 is now a chore to slog through.
I’m 73 and I disagree. I grew up with the music of the 1960s and 70s and revere all the music icons of that era but my ears and mind remain open to everything that’s happened between then and now.
I sang Brown Eyed Girl yesterday! I love Into the Mystic! Some songs all you can do is go insanely operatic - "Eye-ee-eye-eee-eye want to rock your gypsy soul...just like back in the days of old...". People just dig Van Morrison. When Brown Eyed Girl came on the radio folk would dance and sway, almost always and I love to see people dance.
"Tupelo Honey" is a sweet ode to Southern gals Andy would dump into the "Americana" bucket.
I like that. " I love to see people dance ".
@@Songaholica - So says the evil warlord of planet Uurggh, determined to procure dancing humans for the entertainment of his guests.
@@dennismason3740 No Guru , No Method....
@@Songaholica - or, ten-thousand gurus and no method. Jimi, Eric, B.B....
Brian Ferry is harsh, but he did so some great stuff with Roxy Music. Try not tapping your feet when you hear Love is the Drug playing in the thrift shop. Probably the only thing he did as a solo that I liked was Right Stuff... but he always looked cool.
RE: Van Morrison - I like the bit at the end of Brown Eyed Girl where he starts singing about bin bags. It's at 2:46.
Ed Sheeran.
Adele.
All those wailing singers - Whitney, Maria Carey, Celine Dion. Nails drawn down a chalkboard to my ears.
Rappers.
Billy Bragg.
Bob Dylan.
Any Country singer who sings about his dog dying and his baby leaving him.
80's - 2024 Elton John and Rod Stewart.
Yes.....The Wailing!! Agree with all the others too, but the Wailing is truly a Bane...
The only Wailer I enjoy is the singer on Dark Side of the Moon. That's good Wailing.
Awful Coldplay too.
@@jeffreybarton1297 When I was a young teen when that came out, I used to get turned on by that Dark Side of the Moon track.
Bunny Wailer. Peter Tosh. Rita Marley.😊
Thx Andy. I am one of us too! p.s. the new album sounds great 🤘🏻
Best one yet Andy. Bit older than you, still dont get your disdain for the Ramones!
Great stuff, lot of stuff rung true with your journey through music and choosing the contrarian darkside. Thats me mate.
"I would do anything for love-but I won't do that. " 'That ' being, evidently, the Atkins diet.
Meatloaf could sing but it was all too overwrought, melodramatic and over the top. Like Queen. He paid his dues though and deserved his success.
@@PhilBaird1 Agree, but Queen was overwrought, melodramatic and over the top in a GOOD way (unlike Meatloaf).
Artists I hate:
10) Drake: the utter domestication of Hip-hop
9) Billie Eilish: mumble-mumble...
8) Edie Brickell: pseudo-Beats Poet rambling
7) Trent Reznor: Nietzsche meets disco and metal--in the loo
6) Janis Joplin: throat polyps much?
5) Kid Rock: I can feel my IQ dropping when his music plays.
4) Hank Williams Jr.: Kid Rock without the Rock, or the rap, or much of anything, really...
3) Beyonce: Nobody would care about her voice if she weren't hot.
2) Jason Mraz: the avatar of blandness
1) Lou Reed: pseudo- intellectual who made his bones riding Warhol's coat-tails
Haha I agree with you on almost everything… the only thing is that Edie Brickle had good musicians and I thought one of her big hits was pretty good. “What I am." Hippie in an era in which was uncool being one. But I agree with the pseudo-beat description…
@@jdmresearch She had a great band, but she was trash.
Never could understand why many people give Lou Reed so much respect and admiration !
Re: Joplin: have you heard Tom Waits?
@@Scottlp2 Of course, but at least he wrote interesting lyrics. 😉
A really interesting conversation with lots to ponder on. Thanks, an hour well spent.
I know most of the prog rock stuff from the 60’s and 70’s, Krautrock, jazz, etc. The Smiths and the Cure for the win.
No-one expects The Edwards' Exposition! Brilliant. Thought-provoking. Thank you.
This is the stuff Andy, very deep, made me think.
The autobiographical aspect of this is really quite interesting and dare I say, meaningful and genuinely moving. It reveals a lot about his motives and philosophical development and I think many musicians and other artists could relate to this account, whether or not they could articulate it so well. The analysis of Mony Python is also right on target. This is the kind of added value Andy brings as a RUclipsr. Along with the humour, knowledge and technical expertise, the rarer things are the critical thinking and deeper reflections that he so readily improvises. Diamond Geezer, in my opinion.
There's nothing wrong with wanting respite from the darkness when you've had quite enough of it in your own life.
Kanye West doesn’t count because he’s not an artist
He's a piss artist
No he a in patient opps slipped out my bad
Someone who creates songs like Family Business, Roses, Street Lights, Runaway, Ghost Town, Come To Life etc etc etc is definitely an artist. Might not be your personal taste though which is obviously fine.
Thanks Andy. I wish I could express myself as well as you do
My list would go on for hours
Mine would last a month.
Apart from Ferry I totally agree with your choices brum brum.
I just finished off the video. Your breakdown of the meaning of music in relation to us music lovers' place in society was brilliant, and took no small measure of self-reflection.
And your stance on politics is gratifyingly centered. 'If you move far enough to the left or to the right, you soon find yourself surrounded by sociopaths' - Sam Harris.
I agree with exception of Barry White... Instead him it would be B. Tylers total Eclipse of the heart
Barry White was an odd choice. Bland fits. Annoying fits. Ridiculous fits. But hate and his clothes? They don't fit.
Wow, heavy stuff, but brilliant!
If you two make a duo, you could call it "Lost Pigment in the Garden" ;)
I am not a Cher fan but I do remember watching the Sonny and Cher show back in the day.. lol.. Thanks for sharing, cheers.
It's not the Autumn of your life it's the spring to our death.
That's cheery.
Really loved the second part of this video.
This is gold!
Nick Cave: very nice fella, but his songs are Leonard Cohen for primary school.
None of them can sing
Amazing vid Andy.
Great stuff I could listen to more of this, thanks
Your turning into a legend Andy 😊!
Brilliant Andy! Thank you.
The only one I can disagree with is Van Morrison. Into the Mystic, Tupelo Honey, Wild Nights, Carravan. All classics.
Great video!
I was at Lollapalooza in '94. It was a sunny summer afternoon, people were bouncing beach balls around. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds slithered out onto the stage like a bunch of undertakers, looking completely absurd. He's more about the clothes than the music, which is mostly just turgid crap.
Andy I really love your videos. You have a great charisma and a great knowledge of music in a lot of things in general. I can really relate to your comment about being middle-aged yet still being an outsider as well as hating the music that is safe and bland and lacks danger. Keep up the great work. I am 5 years older than you and I remember about 1979 really being into the Disco sucks movement here in the states. It wasn't so much the music that I hated but more so the trendiness of it and the herd mentality of those who liked it. Thanks again
1. Madonna - Absolutely the Emperor's (or Empress ) new clothes since day one
2. David Gray
3. Chris de Burgh
4. Katy Perry
5. Adele
6. Van Morrison
7. Cliff Richard
8. Phil Collins solo
9. Iggy Pop solo
10. Ian Brown
Oh I forgot Sting 🐝😝
Oh bloody hell, Lou Reed at number 2 for sure.... Pretentious arse
not a bad list. Madonna has to be #1 for sure.
For some reason, the NME decided that there were hidden depths to Madonna and her music. It was a regular thing with the NME, a kind of inverted snobbery, where they would randomly seem to pick an artist or band who were generally mainstream and bland, and then pretend there was more to their music, and us Philistines just couldn't appreciate it. I think the phrase that sums the NME mindset up was 'hey, what a surprise, we here at the NME, are so clever that we've discovered that such and such mainstream, talentless band, are actually very good, but you're too stupid to understand" On the other hand, where Madonna's concerned, it could just be that she gave the male writers at NME a hard on and this didn't fit with their self image as serious music journalists and so they felt they had to justify their hard ons to themselves, by over promoting her music.
@@billyhodges7194 C'mon? Despite making some pretentious swing(!) and some utterly boring stuff, his solo material has also portrayed the guy is - if not musical genius - at least a super-talented musician. I also find hard to hate Cliff Richard? Seeing him as corny or negligible - ok. But something to hate? And it seems to be "fashionable" to mock Phil Collins solo career by "real music lovers"... :/ Ok, I hope I don't ever have to listen to 'Another day in paradise' again but I actually love 'Face value'-album. Especially the instrumentals 'Hand in hand' and 'Droned' I never get tired of listening to.
The thing I love most in any art form is novelty. There's nothing more thrilling than having an artist show you something you've never seen or heard before and it really works. What I love least is art that's afraid of offending someone, or even giving them a mild surprise. Throughout the history of music, there have been artists who've taken the good work of others and sanded off all the rough and interesting bits that might raise a polite eyebrow, producing music that's smooth and dull and can be played in mannerly sitting-rooms. Pat Boone did it with early Rock & Roll, and others followed his lead. They took funk and gave us disco. They took ska and gave us reggae. Bluegrass was polished down to "newgrass" and prog turned into whatever genre Asia, Styx and Journey represent. That's what I bloody hate..
Agree with all what you said except the bit about funk and disco.
I love funk but I also think there were some classic disco songs made in the 70's.
Here's just some off the top of my head.
Get Dancing - Disco Tex and the Sexolettes. Bonkers, fun song.
Rock You Babe - George Mccrae.
Night Fever - the Bee Gees.
Saturday Night. Fantasy. Boogie Wonderland - Earth Wind and Fire.
Disco Inferno - The Tramps.
Le Freak - Chic.
Grooveline. Boogie Nights - Heatwave.
Dance the Heat - Sylvester.
Do what you want to do - T Connection.
It would be folly to condemn every song in a genre (maybe I just did that?). There are certainly songs in all of these categories that transcend their banal genre, if only a tiny minority. Never forget: David Gates of Bread produced the first two Captain Beefheart records.
18:59 In the 80s, I bought an inconspicuous cassette, tucked away in the corner of the bookshelf, and it turned out to be my favorite jazz album during the 80s and 90s.
Kevin Eubanks - Sundance '84. Basically, I haven't got tired of him yet
I also had Pat Methany - Still talkin album '87. That was a jazz-fusion genre
I didn't know anything about Allan Holdsworth or John Coltrane back then.
Brown Eyed Girl, a trifle recorded at the start of his solo career? Er, maybe instead evaluate Van Morrison on Astral Weeks, Moon Dance, Veedon Fleece, etc. Those are incredible albums with fantastic songwriting, playing, and singing. And he was the best blues-based British singer ever, that I can think of.
Astral Weeks has also been dismissed as crap by Andy! I think he said Moondance was 'alright!!
Thank you Andy.❤
thanks for this video. I thinks it would actually be relevant for most people to watch this to the end
Some very moving words here Andy, thank you.
Andy's videos are always good value, nothing beats his top biscuit rundown, though.
I’m one of you, you’re one of us.
In 1960 I sang bass, yes bass, in the second grade choir in Hawthorne, California, exactly one mile from the Wilson (Beach Boys) family home. Nobody said that "a seven-year-old can't sing bass" though it impressed the choir leader. Then 20 years later Barry White comes along and he's discoing all over the radio and I thought "yeah, I can do Barry, no problem" and I wondered if he could go as low as the Jordanaires' bass singer, the lowest I have ever heard if you don't count throat-singing. If anybody in L.A. wants to re-invent choir music I have ideas and mastery of harmonies. The Beach Boys would have their first radio hit in 1962. Barry gave me permission to let the low tones rumble.
Well done. This is a brilliant presentation.
Enjoyed every bit of it ❤
That Law of Three tune at the end... That's dope. You're burning, guys!
Get your feeling at the end. I'm about your age (two years older) so at first I got caught up in prog- and early hard rock thx to my two year older brother. Got on in playing guitar, trying to get into Blackmore, didn't work... Then some friend (a farmers son for f'cks sake) got me to listening to the Ramones and thinking back to that moment: it might well bring me to tears aswell because that was sort of an enlightening fase in my life. I was struggling on guitar trying to get things right and Ramones lead the way for me. You might still think they're stupid and of course they are but there you are: hail, hail to Ramones!