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Rock and roll better not be dead, it still owes me money.
Now you'll have to charge it from Migos....oh wait...
Tylor Swift took your money
You won't see it either way. Warner Brothers or someone of that ilk have probably already got it, and you'd have to prise it out of their cold, dead hands.
@@HakanTunaMuzik that’s ok we used to date
it's not dead, it just smells funny!
AS Frank Zappa said of jazz, rock isn't dead, it just smells funny
Easily one of my favorite Zappa quotes! I repeat that to friends and coworkers so often!
It's dead... It no longer dominates like it's hey day
“Video killed the radio star” was also very prophetic, as well as descriptive
I remember that ìn the charts at the moment. For years before and afterwards, I was mostly listening to the radio as there weren't many music programmes on TV other than TOTP. So I didn't know what the performers looked like until I looked in the music papers. Sometimes, I would see them live before I knew what they looked like.
Then in the late 80s there was a surfeit of music programmes on TV such as Rapido, the Chart Show, No Limits and Wired and I had access to a video recorder, so recorded videos from the TV. So video took over for me from 1987.
Agreed. Video put a major hurt on the careers of Christopher Cross and other less visually appealing performers.
@@jchapman8248 But not everyone had access to video players and music channels at the time so it was mostly radio for us. I didn't even have a TV set for part of the 80s. I was working full time and didn't have much time to watch TV but was glued to the radio moat of the some when at home and mot asleep in bed.
Robbie williams followed that up as well...
Video Killed the Radio Star was the first music video aired on MTV. 😏
11. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame starts accepting anybody and everybody; pop stars, country artists, rappers etc.
I'm going to do a video on the rock n roll hall of fame
Eminem is in there...😳
RRHOF has always been a joke, why pay attention to it?
Heavy Metal artists are still unwelcome. Frankly, all for the better.
If the Hall of Fame wants to put in different type of musical acts.they should change it to the Music Hall of Fame not the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And there's many groups that have never been inducted. Bad Company Paul Rodgers have never been abducted isn't that a crime.
I saw Foo Fighters with Queens of the Stone Age, PJ Harvey and the Red Hot Chili Peppers at Slane in 2003. I was 16 or 17 and it was the gig of my generation.
I went to see Foo Fighters for the first time since a couple of years ago. Dave Grohl proudly looked to the crowd and shouted “And they say rock is dead” at a high point in the gig. I panned around and couldn’t spot a single person under 30.. It’s pretty gut-wrenching realising the music of your youth is now Dad-rock
Grandad rock
I went to see Dream Theater and my ex gf 22 year old daughter went wirh me so there are some young people into rock and prog and metal
It’s just a matter of making Dad rock cool. Simple right? 🤣
@@dbmorton1114 yeah piece of cake, maybe granddad rock will work better.
But, Foo fighters have college age fans. Maybe it was just that night.
Also, check out the reaction videos by the young - teens and twenties - discovering music from our generation. Most all of them are very excited and yet, sad they were not around during our time. I think once the younger ones hear it they like it. many are just not exposed to rock and the good stuff. I have wondered what would happen if the top 40 stations played rock from the late 60s thru the 90s for a 24 hour period to the teens today
Rock has become classical music.
Like the centuries old symphony music, it’s a genre many people still love and many groups will still perform well for generations into the future. Same goes for its influence and still emerging descendants; it’s a genre so broad and nebulous that it basically ate most of “music” for a generation. People in a hundred years will still listen to the Beatles or Enter Sandman, even groups covering the songs- just as you still hear people ‘covering’ Ode to Joy or Mozart.
But like what we now call ‘classical’ music, the period of the greats- the big innovators, the superstar acts, the historic performances inspiring city wide riots- is over. Rock music may still have a Wagner or John Williams in its future, men who at least briefly revive its glory days in terms of innovation and popular interest even centuries after the 1960s. But it’ll never occupy the cultural center of gravity again, not outside of a Star Wars like fad. I’d say popular music is now in a state akin to the post WW2 years before Elvis and Holly. It’s clear the “old world” of music is dead, dying, or rapidly becoming terminally stale but no clear successor has emerged.
Hopefully the next great thing can bring back a richer variety of instruments, sounds, and lyrics. Instruments beyond the guitar and bass, lyrics that aren’t just 3 special ed sentences repeated ad nauseam. The same computers that are damn near autogenerating the latest late stage rock, pop, or hip hop could also synthesize whole bands and orchestras worth of instruments playing in virtual spaces with novel acoustics, vocal ranges few human performers can reach or sustain, or other crazy unexpected things. Let’s see what a digital conductor could really do.
There’s a live Zappa recording where FZ talks to someone in the audience who’s wearing a ‘Disco Sucks’ shirt and he says, (paraphrased) “I have news for you: rock sucks too."
I'm in you, I'm in you
True...true...but Frank always wanted to be an experimental jazz player/composer but rock paid the bills (mostly) ...
Frank spoke frankly.
Robert Fripp, when doing his solo thing, was interviewed by a journalist here in Sweden. When asked what kind of music he was listening to at the moment, he said “Disco!”. He sort of explained that all music is good, but we have to listen a lot to it, to grasp the quality…
These days I am ready to accept disco as great music, comparing to what I hear when turning on the radio.
How can you not want to dance to YMCA. And I Will Survive is great from a lyrical and performance standpoint. But it became too ubiquitous for such limited format.@@Soundbrigade
As someone who was born in 1966 and started listening to rock as a young child in ‘72 this video made me want to cry. To see the gradual deterioration of everything I came to love growing up this is such a reality check for me. It’s heartbreaking! I guess I really wanted to believe that rock ‘n’ roll would never die.😢
I too was born in '66 and can remember the music of '72 thanks to my having a sister who was born in '61. So much of what I remember in those days is because she was entering and living her teens just a few years sooner than I would.
It won't die but it will have to fight it out with other genres. Plenty of younger people find older songs that they enjoy.
“Alles was ist, dass endet.” (R. Wagner)
Genres don't die, they just fall out of popularity. You grew in an era when rock and roll dominated. Twenty years before you were born there was no rock and roll. Jazz had been the most popular genre of music for many decades. Now it's been hip hop dominating the charts for the last twenty years. In another decade or so something else will come along supersede hip hop. Circle of life.
@@mjwbulichIt’s already happening, hip-hop doesn’t have the same rebellious and anti-establishment feel it used to have, the thing that’s becoming popular at the moment is genres like shoegaze, indie, and alternative due to it having maximum exposure on TikTok, apparently, being a “alternative” is cool again, but like you said, it’ll probably last some 5 years and then bam, we’ll have other genres and subcultures dominating the youth.
Of course, back in the day, album gatefolds and joints were closely related, and not just in the way we experienced the artwork along with the music contained within the vinyl. Weed back then contained lots of seeds, and the inside of the gatefold, propped up at an angle, was an efficient device for separating out those pesky seeds.
Hence the rise of the double album! 😂
And usually there was a preferred "rolling album" ...
Well, I'm a big fan of the Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Bowie and Deep Purple ever since those days and never used drugs - but I can see that for many people it was a necessary connection.
Twenty years ago I decided to sell the old vinyl LPs that I hadn't listened to in decades so I took them down to the local used record store. When the clerk opened the gatefold of one of the albums out fell a pack of rolling papers and enough seeds to fill a sandwich bag.
Oh man I forgot all about that, that takes me back.
I'm 60, and you're absolutely right. Hip-hop is not just a different "genre" to rock, it is a whole new way of approaching the creation of music, a whole new way of thinking about music using digital instruments and machines, and it all starts with the drum machines and MIDI synths of the 70s-80s, leading through disco and house directly to the soundcloud musicans of today. It is *technically,* *ontologically,* and *organizationally* different from rock, just as rock was different from big bands and barbershop quartets. Great essay.
If you like hip hop and auto tune and robot bands go for it I'd rather listen to human element in music actual singing and physically playing an instrument
@@kumarapatch1234 Totally. I'm also a Prog Rock fan. But of course, it's not an either-or thing. I loved Kraftwerk and Gary Numan in the 80s - talk about "robot bands" - even though i opposed disco and approved when Rush and Queen put "No Synthesizers" on their album jackets. Taste is funny and not necessarily logically consistent.
Autotune can be used to AMAZING effect if you don't simply rely on it as a crutch for bad singing. Check out the new mixtape "Scrapyard" by Quadeca for some fascinating combinations of old and new musical influences, using a hip-hop approach to production.
@@3stringovation Wait, when did Rush and Queen do that? Geddy Lee is famous for heavily using synths, he even plays them live lol and Queen certainly used them on some songs.
@@mikesteelheart I could be wrong about putting it on the cover, but I know the "Farewell to Kings" album was Rush's first use of synths.
Queen definitely did proclaim "No Synthesizers" on their first 5 albums.
Objectively, it has roots in the minimalist movement that occurred in the 1950s, joined to a certain extent with beat poetry as a possible precedent and the addition of electronics. NO idiom of music emerges as it's own reference point. What is new is the popularity and the amped up sex and violence and attitude that actually started in the mid 60s. James Brown was also a predecessor as were drum machines. Music just morphed basically, into words and rhythm. That happened long before rap was even thought of. You can even go to The Last Poets as predecessors. This is part of an easily traceable lineage that owes a great deal to rock antecedents.
I recorded albums in the early 90s, toured etc. This list resonates. And I would add:
- The death of local scenes in the late 90s, mostly driven by radio stations getting bought by conglomerates - playlists lost the ability to support local bands, scenes, labels.
- The UK music press turned rock v Britpop into a football match pool, dividing audiences, and basically ruining appreciation. My favorite acts from this time were roundly ignored by the music press, mainly Massive Attack et al, so were unscathed.
- Grunge was almost the last gasp of bands rediscovering The Stooges and MC5. The problem with the grunge template is that the groove and boogie crushed a more interesting style of UK rock, such as Swervedriver.
- the second wave of industry consolidation late-90s - death of the mid-sized indie label. It was a massacre, including big labels which had fostered some obscure talent on their riskier subsidiaries. All gone.
- and the rest. LiveAid felt totally phony and hypocritical at the time. The best thing to come out of it was Chumbawumba's album "Pictures of Starving Children Sell Records".
100% and let me add 3 things. Gender, visual nature of social media, and extreme class stratification. Rock was sociologically a way for often short, often not handsome, average, working class men to get laid and mate at least, and at most to get some upward class mobility - even if just by getting out of dead end towns. There are many industries that were like this, journalism famously was once a working class to middle class pipeline and then became a job just for ivy league elites. You know what I am going to say next, at some point being good looking mattered more in music, women had access to more elite men (whether by looks or by income) through social media, and at the time, class mobility was lessened across the board by globalization. Also, the internet /social media let lifestyle fully become image and consumption habits, separate from real experience or communities, so the cool , off beat lifestyles and personal ethics associated with musicians, especially rock musicians , could be had without rock music, scenes, touring etc and the price they could bring to one's career, health, etc.
Britpop was the nearest to rock music in the 90s. It was a fusion of the British Invasion genre with punk. It got a bit boring after a while as it was all you saw on TOTP circa 1995 with bandwagon jumpers copying Oasis and the Stone Roses. At the same time, there were trance and house music with the Chemical Brothers, Deep Forest, and 808 State.
Totally agree about Live Aid, an utter fraud. Having done some time in Africa it was even worse at that end.
Your first point: so true! In the USA president Clinton was to blaim for that by passing a law on radio stations I read a few months ago. I used to think he was the last sane president (besides Obama)...
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@@emilianosintarias7337Upward mobility? That was kind of rare actually. Where does gender figure into your equation?
It’s not dead but it’s been in a coma since 1996.
Limp Bizkit's debut album paralyzed it from the neck down.
In the UK we have The Arctic Monkeys
They're no ACDC, but they're proof rock's not dead.
Better, because of them, my teenage son's and their friends formed several bands and started playing Rock.
I don't expect they're alone, so expect the fruits of that 'rock rebirth' in 10 years or so?
Time is indeed slipping away. I was watching a young woman with a bong and a peace sign on her T-shirt live-stream on YT, and when I made a Grateful Dead joke in the chatbox, she wasn't sure who I was talking about.
“Day after day I'm more confused
but I look for the light through the pouring rain
you know thats a game that I hate to lose
i'm feeling the strain
ain't it a shame
Give me the beat boys
and free my soul
I wanna get lost in the rock and roll
and drift away”
Great tune! ❤
Dobie Gray😎
Telecommunications Act of 1996 was another death blow to mainstream music. Gotta fight uphill.
Right
Youre right andy: that's what life is for all of us: " its the final countdown"
Dah di di dah dah dah dah etc....
I'm 65 years old and the band The Warning has reenergized my love of rock music. Three remarkably talented sisters from Monterrey Mexico.
I’m 56 and completely agree with you. They are the most exciting rock bad I’ve seen in decades!
Hot Wax, King Gizzard and Wizard Lizard (25 albums in a decade), Goose.
Pearl Jam, Phish, Queens of Stone Age, Foo Fighters are still out there
There's a couple of differences between the music environment that we grew up in and the present environment that I think we need to explore more and that is that, back in the day, we were exposed mostly to the 15- 20 song in rotation on the radio at any given time, and the few albums that you could buy as a kid. Today kids and everyone, can access the whole of recorded music in the history of the world ,and from everywhere. I teach kids , and they're as likely to listen to something 50 years old ,as something made yesterday. Styles are all mixed up, and any sound can be made and find an audience. The problem is , almost nobody can make money off of recordings like they could decades ago.Love your video.
I'd possibly add the film ' This Is Spinal Tap' to the list! Once something has been parodied like that maybe it's more difficult to take it quite so seriously?
When Rock draws influences from outside itself it is new and exciting, when it draws on itself it dies.
Our beloved anthems are now being fed back to us in insidious, banal muzak. Bloody 'ell, "Day in the Life," as light elevator music.
The height of an insult to our intelligence!
You know you're getting old when the Ramones are used to advertise a white goods company and the Jam are the soundtrack to a supermarket commercial.
As a 27 year old progressive musician who loves Rock and jazz This video is special. Please keep talking about this topic.
Great video....much food for thought.....
I grew up listening to rock in the 60's and 70's.....After I discovered JazzRock it led me to become a jazz snob by the late 70’s. Apart from the odd band/artist I lost interest in rock, and felt it was tired...
With the passing of the jazz giants, the tradition was passed onto the likes of Metheny, Scofield, Brecker etc....
As things stand for me now, both jazz and rock are museum pieces (as a living artform)...but we have the memories of live gigs we witnessed and a wealth of great recordings to listen to. I am still discovering new albums I missed first time around.....
"...it led me to become a jazz snob.." hahaha love it! I admire your honesty. (I'm also a jazz snob btw).
This was an interesting explanation of "the death of rock and roll."
Turntable sales are still rising. But to me, the thing that kills off any musical creativity is the fact that back then we all had something the youth today don't have, leisure time. That's what allowed us to disappear for months at a time to delve into the creative. Today, things are so expensive that all anybody has time to do is work. And if they have a little extra time, they work some more. If they don't work, well, that is why there are so many homeless. That didn't exist back then when "rock" was popular. Technology sped life up to 100 mph and as a result, digital streaming took off and grew because it is a lazy form of music consumption and easier to produce. It's quick and convenient like a burger. Neither of which are any good for you or for creativity. What's dead, or going to be, is the human race as technology advances.
It's always been that way for working class kids whatever decade you choose but I take your point though.
Jesus Christ. I thought I was depressed *before* I watched this but I had no idea how far I could sink. This video should have a content warning.
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A concise and pretty brilliant history of rock 'n' roll
Love your videos by the way. Keep them coming. Cheers from Canada.
ginger baker said, we started heavy metal basically, and that's when it went bad....
Someone asked Roger Daltrey why old music was better and he said that when he was young, music was all that young people had, Now they have computers. I would also point out that a lot of great music was created by bands, but they went away because artists don't want to split the money. Finally, rock became about everything except rock. Look at who is in the rock hall of fame.
yes, fewer distractions then, the tv use to sign off at 1 pm or so@@teastrainer3604
I'm 54. Hardly play my large cd collection anymore. Prefer to play hi quality streaming (in the car especially and at work, home) but I still play my vinyl at home when time allows and is my preferred medium for new music purchases.
Fascinating, Andy - you've really got me thinking with all this...
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I just discovered your channel about a month ago, and I have to say your channel is the best music channel I've listened too. I don't agree with some opinions about certain bands, but you are so relatable.
I enjoy watching your channel, but I wish you wouldn't assume we did something just because you did it. I never downloaded music just because you and other people did it. I'm 60 years old and learn new music information from your channel. Your interpretation of American music through the eyes of an Englishman is very interesting. Thank you, Andy.
A video that's over an hour long and leaves me looking forward to future videos promising to go into more detail. Well done.
Awesome, thank you!
Cheers Andy, great video. Gave me a good laugh too.
Re your end comments about only having time to listen to music in the car. I get it, but I actually make time to sit and listen to music, usually vinyl on my turntable. In the morning getting ready is a great time and then almost every evening (at least on weekdays) I sit and listen to at least a side of an album. I put the phone away, turn off the computer, lock out all distractions and sit and listen to music just like I did when I was a teenager in my room. This is time well spent my friends.
Enjoying this rock series very much Andy. I think the phenomenon is wider, and you can miss the woods for the trees. Many genres of music seem stuck in a bit of a cul-de-sac, and even the ones that are still commercial like hip-hop feel like they're struggling for exciting new ideas. Outside of music, cinema lives completely on old recycled stories and characters. In visual art, when people are engaged at all, they're much more interested in the Renaissance or impressionism than anything made after Picasso and Matisse died. Or poetry - how many living poets could most people even name? Etc. etc.
It's been quite humbling for me and my GenX friends to realize that Hip Hop was no different than other genres with life spans. Our Golden Age era was the early 90s, and we spent the 2000s complaining and bemoaning its rapid decline like the grumpy old men who complained to us about the decline of Jazz and Funk. Humbling.
Good retrospective. I might add -- rock began as an inadvertent side effect of the fact that big bands were out, more clubs were having music (instead of just dance halls) and smaller bands needed to be fuller. In other words, louder. Enter the electric guitar. Once guitarists started pushing the volume they realized that the amps would distort, which sounded even better! After a short while, there were so many people playing guitar that Leo Fender figured that a fretted electric bass could be played by guitar players resulting in more customers. Of course, the electric bass was also louder and more "solid" than an upright, and before long a music that basically started as an imitation of jump blues became something more raucous. And powerful. And the kids loved it.
Great synopsis. Rockabilly came out of the post- World War Two honky tonks in a similar fashion, I guess.
But it a boring cleeshay(yes I know I can't spell)now.Number 11?🥱
the crazy thing for me is that my musical life revolves around rock but I can't handle almost any rock before the 1970s, because the production style and thin tinny drum sounds just bother me so much.
I had no idea about this, thanks. Where can i learn more? @@Spo-Dee-O-Dee
I am a professional musician....@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee
As long as there is a guitar with double humbuckers hiding in a closet and an old dusty tube amp in somebody's attic, rock cannot die.
Enjoying your broad perspective sir. Broader than I had expected tbh. Have subscribed and liked. Good work
I am 74 years old, listened to prog and fusion all my adult life. When my 18 year ol grandson with girlfriend here listening to music by Pink Floyd, tell me have never heard of them, my inner being groans in shock and despair.😢
I feel the same way. The sad thing is that most of the music we knew and loved will be lost to time.
Did you ask them to hang around awhile and just listen to Dark Side of the Moon? If they heard some they may have gotten curious and even liked it. My 14 year old granddaughter heard Bohemian Rhapsody a little over a year ago and fell in love. She spend the rest of the day listening to it over and over until she could sing along. and is now a fan of Queen
I'm sure some of the younger generation are interested. But in truth I don't see it myself. Trying to entice my music tastes to most grown ups is usually met with derision.@@DianeLake-sw3ym
Just like your parents couldn't understand why you weren't appreciating Bing Crosby etc...
@@DianeLake-sw3ymI feel sorry for her. Did your parents turn you on to Sinatra?
I thought I understood something about this subject, but it seems I'd actually only just scratched the surface, and was blown away by your triumphantly thorough and precise post-mortem of Rock. I feel privileged to have heard it, yet find I'm a little depressed now, too. Ten deep stabs is too much for any art form to take!
Hello Andy. My first comment on your channel that I recently discovered. I mainly agree with you in this video. I'm 55 and explored several genres of music until the first half of the 90's time when I realized that rock music was nearly dead. Now I only listen to music from the 70's, the genres you talk about here, prog, jazz, fusion even if my first loves of music during my teens are in the eighties. A special bravo for your drumming in IQ ! (sorry for my french english)
I was excited for this as a sequel to the live aid video. Well put together
Very well researched, KNOWN, and stated. Thank you.
Excellent show Andy, I really enjoyed your analysis.
Much appreciated
Thank you for giving context and order to all my random thoughts. I feel almost cleansed now you have made sense of it all. 👍🏻
Very very interesting and touching. Thank you.
I think we’re tending to overthink everything these days, for me it’s all about emotion and experience…
I’m in my mid 60s now, I grew up listening to the Beatles, Stones etc… saw Zep, Floyd and Bowie during the 70s… enjoyed Disco and later the Rave scene…and all things in-between…
Last year I could be found in the mosh pits of various gigs by acts like IDLES, Goat Girl, Alt-J, Florence & the Machine, Otoboke Beaver… alongside older acts like L7, Bikini Kill, Kraftwerk and Depeche Mode… rock didn’t seem dead to me… just the opposite…
Led Zeppelin was rarely played on USA radio when they were around as a band. And when they finally started to play LZ all they played was Stairway To Heaven.
Well after they peaked, they got a lot of airplay on the hard rock / cock rock stations.
They were on FM radio.
IDK, when I started listening to rock music in California in the late 1970s they were already rock God status. Not sure how it was in the early 70s. Maybe like you said, not much attention.
Thanks andy, food for thought.
Everything has a expiration date. Here today, gone tomorrow.
Not necessarily. In the 80s I and my friends in high school were all very keenly aware of what had just happened in the 50s, 60s and 70s before we were born and before we were old enough to fully comprehend what had been going on. It was only in the 1990s that I began to see hordes of myopic youth who only cared about what was happening then and didn't give 2 shits about anything that came before. Didn't take long for the 90s to go away and now they have to live the rest of their lives rehashing (pun) their glory days which really produced not much with the kind of staying power as that which preceded them.
@@LordHasenpfefferWell said.
@@YtuserSumone-rl6swThanks. I suspected I wasn't alone with my comments and observations.
@@LordHasenpfeffer You aren't.
Your description of observations and experience fit mine.
I remember they said that rock and roll died when The Big Bopper and Buddy Holly died in a plane crash in 1959
and Ritchie Valens.
when Elvis got drafted!
The song 'Control' by Puddle of Mud, killed rock. At that point people began looking for other alternatives.
Another hour's worth of entertainment with thoughts of death. Love it.😂😂
Subscribed today. Great channel with some interesting and thought provoking topics.
Cheers from a 55 year old Canadian guitarist.
SCHOOL DAYS!!! Probably my favourite jazz-rock album. Another fascinating and funny video, cheers!
What I liked about vinyl was the sleeves where everyone was listed (and large enough to be read - it encouraged more purchases - my jazz listening started with Keith Jarret with Gary Burton and I ended up buying many ECMs by chasing down the artists from one record to the next.
I did the same thing.
Good vid. I completely agree.
That was entirely fascinating.
Wayne Kramer last week. one guy who wouldn't anytime soon, turn his back on rock bands. and Andy is here to remind me that it's not so much the music of rock only, it's the people who are still serious about making music in a rock band, that are dying. long live Wayne Kramer. (in what he created).
Wayne and the MC5 were the living personification of rock and roll for me. Forever grateful for all the artists that did it right inspite of the mainstream public and industry trying to suppress it
Could'nt care less what that idiot Communist has to say.
Thanks for explaining what happened to the music/culture/zeitgeist of the 60s and 70s in which I came of age. Once I began a family and career, I tuned out the pop scene, only to find myself utterly bewildered when I again had the time and energy to pay attention a few decades later. God how thankful I am to have been young and crazy during the brief shining Age of Aquarius, when that was the only way to be.
I love it Andy
Great video Andy. One thing you didn’t discuss was generational change. The drift in preference in music. I was born in 1954, I recall during the 60s and 70s having no interest in the music my parents and grandparents were interested in. Actually, that’s not entirely true, I really loved the music of Al Jolson, George Cohan, Bing Crosby, Louis Armstrong, Ella Fitzgerald. But it was always old music, music of a bygone era. But consider 50 years back from 1966 (when I was 12) took me back to 1916. 50 years back from now takes me back to 1974, so larger gap from now to 1966 than from 1966 to 1916.
Another point, maybe this only relates to Australia, during the 1980s all these environmental laws. Health and Safety laws that reduced the number of people you could cram into a pub for a gig and the need to create fire exits that are expensive to retro fit. Noise abatement laws that allowed those who lived near pubs to close down the venues due to noise and behaviour of patrons during and after gigs. Introduction of random breath tests for alcohol for car drivers so the consumption of alcohol dropped at pub gigs. And finally, the introduction of legislation that gave poker machines ( slot machines) licences to pubs. All that killed the Australian Pub rock scene here in Australia.
Finally, there are still great bands performing interesting music in the Rock genre but they fail to get airplay except on niche stations. Here in Australia, some community radio stations and the ABC ‘youth stations’ Double J, Triple J and Unearthed.
Well done, you've presented a lot of hard truths, Andy.
Thank you kindly
I think this is a spot on analysis
This is a very intelligent discussion. Well done.
You might be overlooking one or two things, Andy. They're obvious, I know. Firstly, there will always be families where children and teens hear music that their fathers love and take a liking to it themselves, and that becomes a lifelong love for them and they can pass it on to their own children at a later time. Secondly - and this applied to me - you can suddenly come across a band later in life that grabs you by the throat and opens up a whole new 'can of worms'. Bands like Return To Forever, Weather report and the Mahavishnu Orchestra fall into that category.. I wish I had come across them much, much, earlier. By the way, I still love putting a disc in my CD player, turning the lights off, sitting still and listening in the dark. As I have a great sound system, it's magic.
The music that these hypothetical kids' parents love probably won't be rock in the coming years. Likely, you have little to no knowledge of or interest music of artists like Helen Kane, Vernon Dalhart or Vaughn De Leath. Bands may become popular again, but they may not play any rock music. I like old music myself, but most of the people who hang out at the bar I frequent like a lot of music that I don't care for. And many don't even know what rock & roll is. As in, they think Alice In Chains is a rock & roll band.
I suppose my own interest in rock is still fairly limited and I have to admit that the three artists you've mentioned are totally unknown to me. I love so-called classical music too..
I'm from 96, still can't let go of rock music (alt-rock) and i'm still composing rock music. I made 22 tracks, mostly alternative rock. it's on spotify etc
Great and interesting analysis
You were so close ... Carbonite.
Yes I agree with your summary of what killed Rock, one other factor was Punk Rock and the intense dislike of old aging hippies playing in huge arenas, this was the beginning of the end, oddly enough one band produced what many consider to be the best Punk Rock song without all the hype of the Pistols
and that was 'New Rose' by the Damned, this short lived band, considered to be Punk
were technically reflective of Rock, they could actually play, without resorting to three chords
The success of Punk came from a new generation with different values who invented a new fashion
and outlook on life alien to Emerson Lake and Palmer, Yes and a generation of others, that was the' first nail in the coffin' for Rock
That was just great.
Well said.
I will always come to youtube to listen to music from the 60s-80s
"American Idol" aka Simon Cowell and all his associated spin-offs completely shifted the focus back to only vocals. I foresaw that coming during Season 1 when Kelly Clarkson was battling Justin Guarini for supremacy.
I would argue that The Beatles killed the singer/performer which dominated popular music before them
Just watched a Rick Beato video,Rock and country music are the two music genres that have got bigger over the last couple of years.
Yes, I saw that two...I wonder what they classing as rock?
Beato also recently called Billie Eilish the heir to the legacy of Kurt Cobain.
His videos are often interesting, but he panders a lot, and he isn’t always honest.
@@mymangodfreyBeato just caters to conservative rock fans
😂 you’re like an old Wild West preacher,spreading the gospel of music! Love it!
Another reason (10) for me to browse the thrift stores scrounging out old albums. Give me the great vinyl of yesterday, scratches and all.
Rock and Roll is not at all dead, it just packed up and moved to Japan where incredibly gifted musicians there have picked up the mantle of Rock in all its glory. They produce new amazing songs with the heart and soul of Rock's true forebearers. There are many great bands in Japan, but my favorite is the powerful five member, all female group called Band-maid. Check out their instrumental MV "From Now On" to see their impressive musical chops or see their incredible official live video "Domination" to see how a real Rock band can still blow away an audience. There are many others, of course, but if you want genuine hard Rock, one has to look outside of the dull American soundscape to the great artists playing abroad. Peace.
I wish I could give you more than one thumbs up. Rock is very much alive and well. It just moved to Japan, is female and sometimes appears in maid outfits!
It went to Japan.. ok.. I am.not going there anytime soon.
@@JustKJ109 There are plenty of accessible music videos from Japan to view in the comfort of one's living room, no international travel required.
Band-Maid is one the best guitar-based bands you can find. They strike that perfect balance between chaos and perfection; the sweet spot of artistic creation as Andy has described. They draw from most all rock genres, are excellent musicians, and great performers. The songwriting is genius. Plus they have a positive vibe and bring lots of happiness. They are a band that can bring us all together, if anyone can. They make me feel like I am in the 1970's again with that explosive musical creativity.
@@roybjensen well you made a good commercial for them cause I just listened to them because of your praise..
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is killing Rock and Roll.
It is smothering and crushing the heart and soul of rock and roll.
The RRHOF celebrates the very things rock and roll rebels against.
Some of it died for me when a couple of decades back I saw an interview with four quite young boys who were proudly talking about how they loved rock and had started a rock band. After a while they got up to perform, and all four of them grabbed a microphone and started singing to a backing track. Oh, a boyband, right on.
I knew that rock was in trouble when I listen to Larger than Life by The Backstreet Boys and then It's My Life by Bon Jovi back to back. I kept trying to tell myself it was Studio interference
Great video essay.
Rock might be long dead, but the segment of the music gear industry marketing guitars and gadgets to rock guitarists sure is alive and kicking. Never has there been so many choices in guitar gear, at all price points, and targeted at all eras and styles of rock music. I guess I find this sort of ironic.
It's a byproduct of gear no longer being a hot property. In the 1980s gear cost an arm and a leg.
As one of those old guys you mentioned, around the mid-80s I realized that rock appeared to be dead. All of the other genres appeared to have nudged it off to the side as younger people seemed to be content with what I called "crap". Fast forward to today and I'm finally listening for the first time to some of the bands who were very popular in the 80s/90s/00s. I'm finding that some of them had some worthwhile songs, so shame on me for putting a blanket over all of them and walking away. Suffice it to say that I never downloaded anything that I didn't pay for. What really brought me back was, as crazy as it sounds--covid. Being stuck at home I discovered RUclips. I discovered people there doing reactions to music they'd never heard of by taking requests. I discovered bands like The Warning, who got discovered ten years ago doing a cover of Metallica's Enter Sandman as kids in their basement. They're getting ready to release their fourth album and the youngest just turned 19. It's good quality hard rock with influences from the same time period that I poo-pooed. So, I admit that I was wrong, and that the nails may be resting on the lid of rock's coffin, but they have yet to be driven in.
Check out a 2023 album called "Wings" by a band called "Rian".
Always excellent Andy. Cheers from down under.
You definitely know your stuff. 👍👍
Laura Near-o. I learn alot from you. Love your channel. I saw Led Zeppelin in Summer 1969 at a multi-band concert. They were the last band and, after four songs, the promoter shut down the concert to avoid Union overtime pay. The audience grumbled but no riot. (The other bands were Jethro Tull, Johnny Winter and Buddy Guy)
Saw the Who in about 1979 in London ( "Who are you" tour I think). Kenny Jones on drums replacing the recently deceased Keith Moon (aged 32). Said to my fellow 16 year old mate at the end of a pretty dull gig "wish we'd seen them when they were young and good".
I was lucky enough to have seen The WHO when KEITH MOON was still alive at the Seattle Center Coliseum.. I was a teenager… they kicked ass.. as powerful as the LIVE AT LEEDS album… Best live recording of any band ever made in my opinion… 😊
Loved it. It’s like talking to myself.
Listening ffs. I’m getting old too!
Great video as usual Andy! 42:11 My first copy of Van Halen Fair Warning was a cassette I recorded off of the radio which I played a thousand times -- the station would play full albums on Sunday nights -- I went to the record store and looked at the vinyl copy to see what the song titles were but they were in a different order from the real track listing and I was quite confused at first
not forgetting tasteless music executives GREED! 🕉🥷
The Rock and Roll HOF is a misnomer. I dislike the fact that it is an umbrella for every style of music. It should be called THE MUSIC HALL OF FAME with specific honors for each genre and subgenre. Too many non-rock music acts are getting recognized as great rock and rollers whilst great rock bands are over looked and left out.
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great subject, looking forward to that Grunge episode… cheers 🍻
It is true that Death is a theme that kind of runs through this channel, and it is good to acknowledge Him. I can and do listen to contemporary, shadowless k-pop girl groups for days on end, hoping He'll go away, but so far it hasn't worked. Nowhere to run.
Author/rock critic Steven Hyden covered this topic extensively in his book "Twilight of the Gods", which I recommend. But the bottom line is this: public taste is what it is and you can't expect the general public to adore the classic rock aesthetic forever.
THIS. Expecting rock to remain popular is silly. Is rock special compared to other genres?
Great video Andy, loved the Han Solo reference, spot on.
Even the subtitles wanna forget about Beethoven, calling him "Bobin".
Most people our age have realized that for years .There hasn't been much worth listening to for decades now.
Yep, I don't even have the desire to search anymore
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day Andrew also rock and roll won't die to be honest ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊