@@barbasmusica4367 THANK YOU! This sounds right because I think I might have done the same thing when I was going through the Kontakt CineBrass! Seriously thank you 🙌😄
Thanks so much for taking the time to put this together! I downloaded it yesterday and can’t wait to use it. If I may ask, how do you handle the different negative track delays per articulation?
Thank you! Honestly, I approached this template without overcomplicating. So if I find I need to focus on the track delay, I’ll either adjust the note itself or I’ll duplicate the track and adjust the negative track delay from there!
@ Thanks so much for your response! Absolutely loving the template :) What I’ve opted to do here is give every Channel 1 Region select a -60 ms delay, since that seems to be in the ballpark for Cinesamples shorts, then for the legatos, doing an additional 10 ms nudge to the left 9 times in the midi itself, since it seems their legatos are fairly uniform at -150 ms. This seems to be working well for me. Can’t wait to test drive this template further, thanks so much again!
@@RobertRodriguezMusic yes I didn't know about using kontakt/musio as one instruments over multiple channels so I went on an ableton tutorial adventure :p
Hi Robert. This is such an invaluable video. May I ask how you managed to get the + button to appear in the mixer panel after your first track. I can't see that feature on my mixer and I do have the latest version of logic?
@@lindabrittain4392 thank you! Make sure you load in the Musio plugin as a 16 stereo out plugin. If it’s the standard stereo, Logic won’t give you that + button.
As a studio one user, I've gone the route of building track presets with disabled plugins = Basically mini templates (they can contain how many tracks & plugins you want). I can then drag'n drop and mix and match them how I want, and they'll have the instruments loaded up with basic buses. You can make them very complicated too if you want to, but I'm still figuring things out. That being said, I do have traditional templates for the symphony orchestras too. Combining these both approaches makes the approach pretty fast and flexible.
Great video! One question: Why separate reverb buses for each instrument group? Each instrument already has it's own Sends, which can be adjusted as necessary. Why not send everything to a single pair of long/short reverbs?
Good question! You definitely don't have to create separate reverb busses per group the way I did and you'll find it much easier to route the reverb to single full mix stem or a full thru track and call it a day! But I tend to separate because I like being able to control the sound of the reverb per group on a macro level (in addition to the individual sends.) This also allows me to capture the reverb of each instrument group in my STEMs!
Is this template mixed whit reverb and everything? i having problem whit doing that so this would be amazing if you had that on this template, I noticed that you didnt add the english horn and bass clarinet i always have those in my template. I dont own the spaces 2 reverb from eastwest is it possible to just replace whit the reverb im choosing or will that mess things up?
@@KevinrosenOfficial It’s not necessarily mixed or balanced but I set it up so that it has routing for reverb and stem printing! Plus any extra instruments can always be added in with the preset blank instrument tracks!
@@RobertRodriguezMusic Thats amazing, Thanks for taking time to answer my question🙏 I assume that if i wanna add lets say an english horn for the woodwinds i just add it or will it mess up?
@ Shouldn’t be a problem! Each group has a blank track that’s already routed to its appropriate section! So you’d just duplicate that track and add in whatever instrument fits the group (ie. English Horn under Winds)
I recently tried to compose with a template where short and long notes were on separate tracks. I gave up. I really can't work like that. Because, in the same musical phrase, I will have Long and Short notes... Trying to separate them when composing is such a pain. I swear I tried, but I gave up ! I 'm definitly a keyswitch guy. Also, when listening to an orchestra in a Hall... well, the players do not move to a smaller room each time they have to play short notes. Even if I understand that it's easer to deal with for sound engineers, it's totally unnatural. Am I a lost case ?
@@cyrilcalmes4208 honestly, I can be the same way as well! I like having everything on one line. For this template, I thought I’d separate long and shorts, meanwhile I know others will separate every single articulation! All a matter a preference and knowing what you gain vs lose. I say go for what works for you until it stops working for you! 😊
@@RobertRodriguezMusic Hi Robert, thank you for both your video and your comment. I decided to modify my template to have all articulations in one track plus an extra track for short note that can make things easyer to add an ostinato. But that's the only application I can find for separate tracks. NOw, just have (again) to spend time in VEP 7).
@@benedictstock6539 Thank you! I turned off all the instrument tracks so really it doesn’t take up much RAM at all. But when I turned on EVERY instrument, it looks like roughly 6-8GB. I would only turn on the tracks you’re using and leave the rest turned off!
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The blank track option is so basic but still genius🎉
Glad you finally made this video Robert! 🎉
I’m so glad I finally made it!
I've watched the first release video of cine brass way back in the day, he definitely said it was 3 guys playing the ensemble, and 2 on the mutes.
@@barbasmusica4367 THANK YOU! This sounds right because I think I might have done the same thing when I was going through the Kontakt CineBrass! Seriously thank you 🙌😄
@RobertRodriguezMusic No problem, great video, just maybe you over thought things too much, it got a little complicated 😅
Thanks so much for taking the time to put this together! I downloaded it yesterday and can’t wait to use it. If I may ask, how do you handle the different negative track delays per articulation?
Thank you! Honestly, I approached this template without overcomplicating. So if I find I need to focus on the track delay, I’ll either adjust the note itself or I’ll duplicate the track and adjust the negative track delay from there!
@ Thanks so much for your response! Absolutely loving the template :) What I’ve opted to do here is give every Channel 1 Region select a -60 ms delay, since that seems to be in the ballpark for Cinesamples shorts, then for the legatos, doing an additional 10 ms nudge to the left 9 times in the midi itself, since it seems their legatos are fairly uniform at -150 ms. This seems to be working well for me. Can’t wait to test drive this template further, thanks so much again!
I had searched ableton orchestral template and this came up and I got excited and downloaded it. Realised it was for another daw XD
Oh noo!! Hopefully some of the same principles can at least apply for Ableton!
@@RobertRodriguezMusic yes I didn't know about using kontakt/musio as one instruments over multiple channels so I went on an ableton tutorial adventure :p
Hi Robert. This is such an invaluable video. May I ask how you managed to get the + button to appear in the mixer panel after your first track. I can't see that feature on my mixer and I do have the latest version of logic?
@@lindabrittain4392 thank you! Make sure you load in the Musio plugin as a 16 stereo out plugin. If it’s the standard stereo, Logic won’t give you that + button.
Thank you! Got it!
As a studio one user, I've gone the route of building track presets with disabled plugins = Basically mini templates (they can contain how many tracks & plugins you want). I can then drag'n drop and mix and match them how I want, and they'll have the instruments loaded up with basic buses. You can make them very complicated too if you want to, but I'm still figuring things out.
That being said, I do have traditional templates for the symphony orchestras too. Combining these both approaches makes the approach pretty fast and flexible.
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Great video! One question: Why separate reverb buses for each instrument group? Each instrument already has it's own Sends, which can be adjusted as necessary. Why not send everything to a single pair of long/short reverbs?
Good question! You definitely don't have to create separate reverb busses per group the way I did and you'll find it much easier to route the reverb to single full mix stem or a full thru track and call it a day!
But I tend to separate because I like being able to control the sound of the reverb per group on a macro level (in addition to the individual sends.) This also allows me to capture the reverb of each instrument group in my STEMs!
Is this template mixed whit reverb and everything? i having problem whit doing that so this would be amazing if you had that on this template, I noticed that you didnt add the english horn and bass clarinet i always have those in my template. I dont own the spaces 2 reverb from eastwest is it possible to just replace whit the reverb im choosing or will that mess things up?
@@KevinrosenOfficial It’s not necessarily mixed or balanced but I set it up so that it has routing for reverb and stem printing! Plus any extra instruments can always be added in with the preset blank instrument tracks!
@ Thats amazing im goona try it out tommorow, Is it possible to change reverb if i dont own the one you used?
@ No problem! I actually changed the reverb to the Logic stock Chromaverb but you can always change it to whatever works for you
@@RobertRodriguezMusic Thats amazing, Thanks for taking time to answer my question🙏 I assume that if i wanna add lets say an english horn for the woodwinds i just add it or will it mess up?
@ Shouldn’t be a problem! Each group has a blank track that’s already routed to its appropriate section! So you’d just duplicate that track and add in whatever instrument fits the group (ie. English Horn under Winds)
I recently tried to compose with a template where short and long notes were on separate tracks. I gave up. I really can't work like that. Because, in the same musical phrase, I will have Long and Short notes... Trying to separate them when composing is such a pain. I swear I tried, but I gave up ! I 'm definitly a keyswitch guy. Also, when listening to an orchestra in a Hall... well, the players do not move to a smaller room each time they have to play short notes. Even if I understand that it's easer to deal with for sound engineers, it's totally unnatural. Am I a lost case ?
@@cyrilcalmes4208 honestly, I can be the same way as well! I like having everything on one line. For this template, I thought I’d separate long and shorts, meanwhile I know others will separate every single articulation! All a matter a preference and knowing what you gain vs lose. I say go for what works for you until it stops working for you! 😊
@@RobertRodriguezMusic Hi Robert, thank you for both your video and your comment. I decided to modify my template to have all articulations in one track plus an extra track for short note that can make things easyer to add an ostinato. But that's the only application I can find for separate tracks. NOw, just have (again) to spend time in VEP 7).
Really great video! How much RAM does this template actually use?
@@benedictstock6539 Thank you! I turned off all the instrument tracks so really it doesn’t take up much RAM at all. But when I turned on EVERY instrument, it looks like roughly 6-8GB.
I would only turn on the tracks you’re using and leave the rest turned off!