The DOWNFALL of Young Justice
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Young Justice was one of the most prominent DC animated shows that aired on Cartoon Network, shedding light on some of the lesser-known aspects of the wider DC Comics Universe. The protégés of the Justice League, consisting of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and The Flash, take center stage with Robin, Superboy, Kid Flash, and many others. Seasons three and four focus on Darkseid and Apokolips, along with an almost Teen Titans-like group featuring Beast Boy and the Outsiders. The decline in the show's quality stems from a lack of focus and cramming too many storylines into one season, which prevented proper screen time for characters like Nightwing or Jason Todd potentially becoming Red Hood. James Gunn's new DCU hints at slight inspiration from Justice League Unlimited as well as Young Justice.
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Season 1 & 2 was probably one of the best superhero show runs I ever witnessed
Agreed i just binged for the first time and s1 and 2 were great ❤
Season 2 has a slow start but once the double agent and reach plot got started it was must see tv
Agreed! Only thing that even comes close is Spectacular Spiderman. And both were made by the same guy.
Season 2 literally has all of the issues the next two seasons have but worse.
With its only saving grace being the overarching narrative
S2 was pretty mid ngl
The show started to die with my man Wally.
😢to soon man, to soon
You right, when Wally died the show died.
RIP Wally
It didn't feel earned, and the story never overcame that.
@Zacurafire big cap. Wally's death was totally earned and it got the reaction it was meant to. The real problem was the cancelation and Outsiders. S3 was objectively bad and S4 fumbled a return to form in quality in spite of embarking on a new story formula with splitting the season through character moments. S4 fell short because of not having S5 already greenest. The Zods should have won for a while with S5 dealing with defeating them and possibly more Legion of Superheros stuff before setting up the endgame with Darkside.
The show always had a fatal problem of 90% of episodes ending with the villains saying "all according to plan!" Made our heroes seem mad incompetent.
The Light should have been resolved by the end of season 2 at the most. They dragged that out way too long. It was too the point where the JL just looked ineffectual. Like, how have you not stopped them already?
@@dkirby9052 They (and Apokolips) are the overarching villains of the entire series. The whole point of the show is that there's a eternal struggle between these forces.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 Then the show itself was dragged out longer than it should have been. If it has to be a two season show then so be it. But to go 4 seasons and the Light is still around, what are we doing? How many times are we going to end on the Light being like "yes, just like we planned." Come up with a new threat.
That's a good point there could've been other threats that aren't tied to the light
@@kobebrewster2549 There were! Mongul, Despero, Starro, The House of Zod, etc. But then people complain that they're "filler" and have nothing to do with the Light.
I loved the fact Young Justice essentially turned the sidekicks into a spec ops team. I didn't mind the timeskip but as they kept adding characters the less interested I became.
I disagree the timeskip was bad writing because they didn't properly establish what happened between the time jump and they had too many plot threads and characters in the 2nd season and not enough time to focus on, or fully establish what happened with the main cast since then. This only got worse with Outsiders when they did ANOTHER one, which is why timeskips are a sign of lazy writing unless you know what you're doing.
Agreed. I was so surprised at the time slip because i thought i was missing something@@claytonveno3710
I didn’t like the time skip either, but I don’t think it was bad.
The problem for me was the lack of focus on new characters. Blue Beetle, Impulse, and Arsenal all had significant time in the focus. But even pre-established characters in the show like Beast Boy & Bumble Bee felt like they were just there to pad out the roster. Lagoon Boy hardly had any development despite his screen time. Robin and Wonder Girl were on slightly more than blank slates. Batgirl was not even a blank slate.
Justice League Unlimited has a time skip between it and its predecessor JLTAS. But the show gave us episodes that explored who these characters were. You knew more about D-list heroes like Vigilante, Star Girl, and Shining Knight in a single episode of JLU, then I knew about Batgirl, one of the most iconic sidekicks and female superheroes of all time, in an entire season of Young Justice.
The only reason they had the time skip was because the life of the show depended on toy sales so they had a time skip and added all these characters… I don’t think season 2 was bad but season 3 is some of the worst shit I’ve watched
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I lost interest when the main characters from S1 and S2 were barely in the show.
They were still lead characters in the show with the exception of Wally, who died. I'd argue seasons 3 and 4 did a better job juggling characters than 2, where Wally was mostly off-screen and Conner barely did anything.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1I think it tried doing too much
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 thats just flat out wrong💀. Season 4 was so bad they had 4 plots running simulatenously that didnt connect at all😭
Me too! I wanted to see the S1 team training the S2 but instead we got Halo, Forager and Brion -_-
Same and they rushed the anti life equation story
Season 3 was the worst smh it became wayy too preachy and spent too much time on beast boys depression arc 🙄🤦🏿
Agree, It's frustrating how the writers want to pretend they know about mental health when they clearly didn't did a research prior
The show pretty much went woke around season 3, and that direction was a huge red flag pin pointing that Young Justice: Outsiders was not going to do well.
@@brandonscott4808 because of that teen titans will always be greater
That’s was season 4
@@HavokUnbound To be honest the developers should've just done a rebooted Teen Titans series that follows the original members (1960s-1980s) up to adulthood and then have it spin-off into Young Justice.
In my opinion, I think the reason why this show started to go downhill was because it stopped being a show about the actual team itself and rather trying to expand this universe with a lot of characters that lore that were thrown at us. And while season 3&4 show case this, I also think that season 2 is at fault for it as well because some of the arcs that were of the original team were kinda glossed over for other new characters and not to mention the time skips the show was known for.
It may be cliche but the show felt like it was pushing a weird message starting in season 3. Why the whole thing about Halo not being their dead daughter, wanting non-binary pronouns, and then still feeling the need to wear a hijab? It felt… bizarre.
Yeah, I could never explain it properly but at some point, it felt like Young Justice was either trying too hard or not trying enough.
Definitely. Season 4 specifically felt like the world building season.
Yeah S2 is when the cast started to get bloated and it only got worse from there
I feel like Justice league unlimited did a perfect job remaining focused while also feeling like a large universe with lots of different players. The main 7 were the heavy hitters who were the most involved with the main plots while there were also plenty of more episodic episodes about the other leaguers(questions, Huntress, green arrow, vigilante, supergirl, etc) that allowed us to really get to know them so when they played a minor role in the major plot episodes it felt earned
This is basically the exact same approach that YJ did. Most people are just blinded by it because of DCAU nostalgia.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 the DCAU was definitely not perfect and I love YJ but I think the difference is pacing out the episodes better. Individual episodes focused on a character or plot in JLU. Like green arrow had his own dedicated episodes with his own plots and Superman also had his own dedicated episodes. YJ episodes are a mix of the core cast plots and the secondary cast plots so it feels cluttered. Spreading these plots over many episodes also doesn’t help the cluttered feeling
@@GamerSlyRatchet1Helps that show was built up to
@@ajtallent4501 My issue with that is that it'll also increase all the whining about how some characters have more screentime than others, especially for more story-important characters like Halo or Cyborg.
I’ll be honest and I’m sure I’m in the minority here but I felt JLU similarly declined when they expanded the cast too much and got too politically topical and preachy. It didn’t get quite as bad as Young Justice but it definitely worsened in the same ways to me.
I believe folks can agree it got worse as they deviated away from the core characters we grew up with as well as making the plots long AF.
It's also annoying for good shows to get cancelled due to toy sales.
Stretch Armstrong, G.I. Joe Renegades, Green Lantern TAS, Generator Rex, Thundercats 2011: TELL ME ABOUT IT 😭
People bought the toys that's not why it was cancelled.
@@emperorsean1 it literally was about toy sales you can look it up
@@emperorsean1 They bought them, But not as much as They Planned
I don't mind most of the new characters... but they never *did* anything with them.
And it also caused bloating, as they were worse than terrible at juggling said characters.
Like, *why* do we have 8 episodes dedicated to how Forager wipes his butt, instead of 1 episode per new character or something?
The weirdest thing about season 4 was how weird the choices were. They KNEW a season 5 was not guaranteed. They knew that they needed to settle the story line all the way from Season 1 between Darkseid and the Light.
So instead they give us 4 story arcs that do NONE OF THAT. So now that this show is probably never coming back... It all just sort of feels very unfinished.
Not to mention the cliffhanger they left it on
Well you know let's waste like 5 minutes with characters praying to their Gods, that scene baffled me.
They were more worried about preaching us that there are gay characters and which pronouns should be used. Also race swapping ZOD!
It wasn't gonna. Everyone knew that mate. They're not ending it season 5 either if ur thinking that. It's gonna be a few 4 more r so seasons before they get there. And then the finale will be disappointing cause its setting unrealistic expectations.
I really hate the word "woke" and roll my eyes every time it's used. BUT season 3 did feel like it tried so hard to pander and preach to people.
The whole social media thing with beast boy felt so weird. It felt like it was written by people who dont use social media. I haven't seen season 4, but season 3 felt so weird.
The woke garbage was a problem, but I wouldn't even put it in the top 10 issues of the show.
Don't watch season 4. Just remember the good times. 4 is just S3 second half taken to 11. The whole season is woke pandering, being preachy & to show they're(the people involved in the show & by proxy the fictional characters) are "allies" to all movements.
What were the woke moments in Seasons 3 and 4?
@@samflood5631Haven’t watched season 4 or even the last half of season 3 but from the top of my head I can say that Halo girl(or was it Violet ?) who was a veiled muslim girl then came out non binary (and still muslim). Those things don’t go together and I remember the muslim community back then was pissed off about it
The thing that ruined it for me was the whole Luthor being an allegory for Trump thing. I get it was big in the US but as a non American it was so fucking obvious that it just got annoying with the whole fake news and social media thing. It was so fucking unnecessary and cringe inducing.
Shoutout to Troy Baker, Grey Delisle, and Khary Payton for voicing about 95 percent of the cast for Season 3 of Young Justice. Every background character or special guest hero that appeared were always one of those three.
I remember being called mad when Season 3 was announced, and I said "Greg and the writers have to work towards wrapping up their franchise with this season and the next." Because, who knows. If they write like they have unlimited seasons, could you imagine if they ended it on a cliffhanger again? Oh wait, that's exactly what happened.
I couldnt agree more with the those voice actors it felt like they were carrying so much of the load and it was hella noticeable too
I couldnt agree more with the those voice actors it felt like they were carrying so much of the load and it was hella noticeable too
Troy does a commendable job, even when he's quite the ding dong.
The thing that killed Young Justice for me was the damn time skips so much development happened off screen so many characters introduced off screen like sometimes timeskips are necessary but the time skips in this we're kind of unneeded especially after the first time skip. There's so many characters and teams to keep track of and most of them are there as a glorified cameo at most to stand around and look cool.
Yrs! Thank you! Been saying this?
Exactly. At first, when I watched the second season and there was the time skip I wasn't really introduced in batman lore or anything so many things were so confusing
THIS that's what my problem is the characterisation is incredibly poor
Time skips can be incredibly cool. IF DONE RIGHT. Naruto/One piece did this well because we had more than enough time to see the characters progression.
Exactly. At the start of season 4, 10 YEARS passed since the beginning of season 1 and we only saw 3 of those 10 years. That's insane. The 5 year skip between season 1 and 2 should have been the only one
Night wing should’ve had his own arc with the bat family and league of shadows involved. That’s my biggest gripe. Then they could’ve tied in the last episodes with everyone involved
The show started to fall off when they started to reference real events instead of creating their own stories
That would be around season 3 since that was the starting point were the show started going woke and relying on nostalgia elements from the comics to keep comic book fans tuned in (even though it didn't work out well).
Justice League Unlimited did the same thing. You didn't know that because it was well written and you were a child
@@brandonscott4808 SUPERHOEROES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN 'WOKE!' SUPERMAN PUNCHED OUT HITLER AND STOOD AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY IN THE 1940s. BFFR
@@ItsOver9000Productionsyes but the writing was way stronger young justice s3-4 just come off as an old man trying to write like the “youth of today” comes off as just straight cryinge
@@Cashmoneez that's... what I said
Best way to describe later seasons of YJ is this. You reading tie-ins to crossover events from different books without ever touching main crossover book ever.
Honestly, the entire superhuman-trafficking plot could have been its of tv-show all on its own too. Like imagine a series about a bunch of kids with superpowers fighting the people trying to capture them. That would be awesome but because its slapped dabbed into this series it just feels like a massive departure from the story.
The show just never recovered from losing Wally.
That was honestly not a good choice. Maybe for shock value yes but the show was never right after
This show’s fatal flaw was that it wanted to be another Justice League Unlimited and completely forgot what then hell the title of the show was (also just forgetting to develop most of its main cast once outsiders came around).
It didn’t help either that season 3 was a sharp downgrade in the animation department, even though season 4 eventually picked it back up somewhat.
What made JL Unlimited work is the fact that they were all members of the Justice League anyway. Not to mention we had episodes dedicated to all of the league members in the OG JL show to begin with.
Basically YJ best seasons are 1 and 2.
The creative team started thinking of the characters more like chess pieces than actual characters and focused too much on the big picture plots season 3 on, though you got hints of it in season 2 with both the expanded roster and the fact they skipped 5 years, which included Tula's death, Jason's death and so much other stuff that should have been animated
The title of the show was literally forced on the creators by DC. It wasn't meant to be an adaptation of the YJ comics and it was more about portraying the characters (and their world) as it grew up and advanced.
@@starrsmith3810 It's literally the same thing as JLU. People just give that show a free pass because of DCAU nostalgia. That's it.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1it’s not literally the same at all. JLU had character-centric episodes in-between the Cadmus stuff, so that you felt the weight of everything 100% more. YJ only uses characters to push the broader narrative. JLU did both equally, plus it already had groundwork from JL, Superman, BTAS. Rewatch the show. They are very different in how they tell their story. JLU is equally character and plot centric, while YJ seasons 3 and 4 are ONLY main plot centric, which is why those seasons feel hollow. Plus tons of character development in YJ seasons 3 and 4 happen off-screen, which JLU never did. Saying they are the same just means you don’t remember them right and probably need to rewatch both shows. Also, JLU didn’t drag its stories out forever without a feeling of true progression.
They did Static so dirty. They even made him maiden less as a joke.
S3 and S4 lost focus and had massive budget cuts, clip show at some point.
Oh my God, I completely forgot he was even in this show. What a waste.
Madien less🤦♂️
Static was good in the show
they lost rights to static when macduffie died
What do you mean you'd rather have seen characters like static instead of the lessons about trans and non-binary identity? Sounds kinda phobic and not based./s
I agree with on Forager, he was so annoying, and many points 🤣
Also when Outsiders was getting released there was promo art of the chracters from S2, and Katana and Metamorpho, making it seem that they would have big roles in the season, but nope, basically glorified extras, especially Katana and Metamorpho who had like 2 lines each and appeaered in like 2 episodes.
So many missed opportunities to build upon minor arcs that they never did anything with
Here’s my list of what caused Young Justice to go downhill.
1. Unnecessary timeskips
2. Important plot moments that require the viewer to look at other forms of media.
3. The show trying way too hard to appeal to millennials.
4. A downgrade in animation
5. Still frames being used for a lot of important moments
6. Fan favorite characters like Wonder Girl, Arrowette, Orphan, Spoiler, the 3rd Robin, Bat Girl, the 2nd Robin, Static Shock and a few others being nothing more than background characters.
7. A jumbled mess of stories for both seasons 3 and 4.
8. Trying way too hard to be adult, with a lot of blood and gore, swearing and sex scenes.
9. The main characters from seasons 1 and 2 doing nothing but angst a lot.
10. A cluster f**k of characters that barely get any focus.
11. Most story arcs get pushed away and other arcs drag on.
12. Missing villains like Queen Bee, Ra’s Al Ghul and a few others.
13. WTF moments in season 4.
4 & 5 can be directed toward the seasons production budget coming from DC's own pocket. They didn't have that CN money to work with
On the bright side, at least Connor and M’Gann got married.
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Didn't he die in season 4 or something (couldn't get past 3 to 4 episodes with that wack ass alien civil rights story they were doing)
@Jomiloju-xw6wg *spoilers*
Turns out he was in the Phantom Zone apparently? Idk I didn't watch it.
I find solace in the finality their wedding had. It might not have brought finality to all the plotlines we wanted, but seeing them finally tie the knot was satisfying for my kid self
I stopped watching Young Justice around Season 3. Unlike other revivals, it felt like Greg Weisman and the rest of the crew behind the show just tried to make the show less of a DC show, and more of a standard action drama show.
Part of what I like about the first two seasons were that they were modern takes on Classic DC stories. It was fresh & new. The fact Wally West died instead of Barry Allen was mind blowing, and the surprise that the Aqualad in the show was actually Black Manta’s son did gave me goosebumps. Unfortunately, as the show was revived… it pretty much lost its footing. Hell, because Season 3 barley did anything with the established DC characters, it made me forget that I’m watching a DC show.
The main issue was that at the point of s2 the show already became so full of sub-plots & had so many characters, & s3 onwards instead of following those characters & plots, It decided to introduce EVEN MORE Characters & Plots & didn't gave a proper follow up to any of them
I only like the first season to be honest. I'm sure there are little moments I like in the following seasons...but first season was the best and downfall from there.
This is the Xmen 97 revival we wished we had but didn't get
I get the feeling they squeezed so many concepts together because they know Warner Bros will screw them over in the end before they get to explore more of it even when they did give them a second chance.
I mean they saw it coming, cause it literally happen. The last 2 seasons were supposed to be 5,6 but were both cancelled by WB.
Honestly after season 4, I lost hope. That season was so fucking boring and the pacing was all over the place. Season 3 was ok at best but it had a decent story just hated how it ended but Season 4 had so much shit and too many characters to focus on yet they wanted to focus on core characters. I wish they can do better.
The show is dragging out the light and darkseid plot line. Nothing is being done to take down either of them. I get they are the main villains but in a story things have to progress. And nothing has been done to shake the light at all.
Rash Al Ghoul is gone? Doesn’t matter he gets replaced by deathstroke.
Klarion get beaten by child? Who cares he gets his powers back anyway
Lex is exposed? lol he’s fine and dandy in season 4. Hell he’s barley even in season 4
Queen bee hasn’t done shit since season 1 and shouldn’t Garfield want to go after her for what she did to his mom!? What was the point of bringing back ocean master just to kill him off again?
Why was the kryptonian plot line center focus on season 4? They were basically filler villains and added nothing to the main plot with the light or darkseid.
It’s like this show is dragging its feat or the writers don’t know how to move it forward.
There’s just suppose to be enough fillers but eventually there has to be a build up to than engagement with the final antagonist. As you said it dragged on but nothing leading up to it. They just shows that these are the bad guys, that are part of the universe, that’s it.
The show has a very long game plan that the creators don't want to rush out. Nothing is ever just random or filler. Everything has a place eventually. I mean, even with the kryptonians you mentioned, they set Zod as his army as a future weapon for Vandal to use against Apokolips one day, and we'll clearly see the new Lor-Zod at some point.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1They're spinning their wheels
@@GamerSlyRatchet1that’s IF we get season 5. Did y’all hear something about season 5 that I haven’t heard off? Cause of right now, the show isn’t coming back sadly.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 Oh they have an actual plan. Based on what? A bunch of comments they put up on Twitter or a blog over a decade ago? Creators lie all the time to make it sound like they actually have a solid plan. At best there IS a finish line for the Darksied arc but the path to get there is just thrown together as they go, hoping the that when Grandon decide to close the arc that they are able to pull everything together in a satisfying way that makes the (generous) 20+ years it will take to get there worth it.
Season 3 and Season 4 always felt like they were building up to something and instead of any pay off, they would just build up even more plot threads.
I feel like when they do these time skips, I think they expect people who read the comics to know what happened? But not everyone reads the comics, some of us gets our knowledge from the movies and shows.
I've seen other people say the same thing about the time skips and the show runners expecting the audience to have read the comics to get an idea of what has happened. There was also another person who said they didn't care about the Jason reveal because we don't know anything about THAT version of Jason or anything related or about him and that they shouldn't depend on the decades worth of comics to care about something the show never cared about.
Season 2 really pissed me off just casually having damn near everyone go through all their arcs offscreen, new characters with no proper introduction who never get the focus the original cast (or just fucking Batman for some reason) did. Specifically Miss Martian was my favorite in S1 but I couldn’t fucking stand her ass going forward. Fucking Lagoon Boy.
the first half of season 3 was still pretty good but the second half of season 3 was very disappointing and then season 4 was absolutely terrible and had overly dramatic and corny CW style writing and choppy stiff animation. I think the main problem with season 3 especially is that they stopped caring about trying to balance out the characters, season 2 had a large cast but they still did a good job at balancing all the characters and their arcs. Also the light's motivations kinda feels like a form of mystery bait and it starts feeling very tedious when the writers keep teasing with you the idea that the light are finally ready to make their big moves/execute ultimate secret master plan but only some of their actions/plans actually feel like they go anywhere significant (like darkseid has been teased since season 2, but still has barely done anything himself) and it also feels very contrived when you keep finding out that they constantly have a contingency plan for everything and the light barely did anything important or impactful in season 4. Also in season 4, the legion of superheroes felt completely wasted and it felt like they only show 3 members from the legion team because they knew they didn't have the budget to show all and the whole storyline with superboy being stuck in the phantom zone felt like very long and drawn out fan fiction.
The show was so good I started to like a character named "Aqualad."
AQUALAD
Not 'man'
One of my favorite dc show until season 3 and 4
Same
Sesson 4 was pretty decent but I agree with season 3 cause it did felt kinda off
I liked season 4. But season 3 was really bad.
YJ is a perfect example of trying to be too clever but not knowing wth to be clever about. Season 1 was great, and after finally assembling the team together in the last story arc, they do a 5 year time skip because why? There was no reason for this. At least give us one freaking season with the group together going on missions.
It didn't help that they were stretching that stupid "The Light" story from Earth to the end of the universe. Every time you thought there was progress being made in that storyline, we would then get a "everything is going to plan" scene. This got old and unless you can see the future no one or team can be that damn good at planning, whatever the heck they were planning, over nearly a decade and everything is just fine and dandy.
The other thing is, the writers wanted to make this show into Teen Justice League Unlimited instead of a show of a group of side kicks banding together on the weekned to do special op missions. If they wanted to show the JL in this universe, then they should have just made a separate show staring the Justice League, duh.
At least X-Men 97 did a better job at focusing on the team.
Too many new characters too quickly. Not out here trying to learn about Rocket's autistic son (as harsh as that may seem).
Not harsh truth. We want to see what heroes do to save the day not how their home life is going if i wanted realism id walk outside
I dnt wanna learn shit about no side characters to the point that the main characters are side characters at best
@@matthewchristian9591 Home life stuff is cool to a degree. I like seeing the Robins interact with Alfred and Bruce. But you're right, we're watching for the heroics.
It also didn't help that season 3 and 4 went straight to the streaming service after the cancelation of young Justice season 2.
... The moment they started adapting New 52 into Earth 16 that was when I checked out.
I am not ashamed to say that while it had some promising ideas and executions in certain areas of storytelling, New 52 signaled the downfall of quality of comic books
DC comics has literally still not recovered from new 52. Being a DC fan is like being that neglected child in a family, that gets all the left overs, while marvel is the spoiled child, that gets literally everything.
@@jlopez240gaming7 ... and neither side really "got the better end"
I mean they had their golden era of the comic age, had their time in other successful media (DCAU/MCU)
Now it seems bith have fallen by the wayside.
@@jlopez240gaming7 TRUTH
@@jlopez240gaming7honestly I prefer DC over marvel but I can’t say marvel doing better… fallen from movies, comics and now all they have is X-men 97
@@Pero-zl4jp And apparently even that show has the lowest streaming numbers on Disney+
The biggest sin of the new seasons is that they are just straight boring. Just a bunch of character that are never explored (most of the outsiders), others given character arcs that are completely throw out later (pretty much all of the season 3 team), and writing (ESPECIALLY the dialogue) that lacks the quality and subtly of the cn seasons. The best part of the first seasons were how they could tell separate stories but build up to a big overarching plot and a satisfying payoff. The new seasons do not have any of that. I’m honestly glad it’s probably over it wasn’t egregiously bad just egregiously mediocre
The show got way to scattershot when season 2 started, they should have stayed with the original team
The Peter David comic was way better in my opinion though
Lor-Zod was a great villain in Young Justice
Much better
I loved it so much as well as that whole generation of heroes: Drake, Sandsmark, Impulse, Kon. Which is why it eternally pisses me off that DC either forgets those guys or brings them back only for character assassination, really stupid retcons or to act as background characters for crowd scenes. They deserve so much more because they were actually better JL analogies than the Teen Titans.
@Dragon_Moth
I'm not surprised. Based on what little I've read of Peter David's work, he's one of the GOATs of comic writers.
This show is what Made Me SUCH A HUGE FANBOY OF RED TORNADO, I love that they made him such a Keymember of the original Team, his development through S1 to Invasion was PEAK
& Then in s3-4 he appears only 2 times & only speaks 1 single dialogue, WHAT A WASTE 😡
They keep introducing new characters off screen and time jumping instead of giving screen time to develop the og team. The idea of Aqua Lad being leader was dumb (should have been Tempest first of all) Robin could have used S1 to develop into a leader, make mistakes, but learn until his eventual evolution into Nightwing.
nah man Aqualad was a fantastic leader and his arc in the first 2 seasons is peak...then they butchered the character in seasons 3 and 4.
Dawg the plots were DRAGGED, there was MAD characters, there was ALWAYS so many subplots, it was hard to focus on just one thing. Good video Gang
In hindsight, show shouldve stayed cancelled
There's a saying "too much of a good thing"
Season One was peak
Season Two was bloated due to the numerous characters & subplots it had to juggle, & while flawed, was able to stick the landing
Season 3 & 4 was dogshit
They forgot Rocket. Rocket was in Season 1 and then they just forgot. Hence why she has a whole separate storyline and arc in Season 4
I still need season 5.
While I agree that it got worse, I still overall see the seasons are not so bad that it ruins the entire show as a whole.
It's just that every season after season 1 are so convoluted and huge scale that they're trying so hard to reach the highs that season 1 achieved.
Season 3 is the worst and while season 4 slightly improved the quality, it is still nowhere near season 1.
Same. The show isn’t perfect, but I would absolutely love a season 5 still.
Yo necesito Temporada 5 para que traigan a Wally West como Kid Flash el podria salvar el programa la temporada 1 me gusto por Wally West Kid Flash la temporada 2 por que sale Kid Flash de Wally West en algunos episodios en la Temporada 3 solo me gustaro 3 por que sale Wally West y por Perlita la Temporada 4 un solo por Kid Flash la
Temporada 5 deberia ser Kid Flash el Wally West el pratagonista aparte de que regresa y deberia hacer que Perlita se su nueva pareja❤
No way fam. Seasons 3 and 4 are abysmal.
Hotdog water
@@HavokUnboundhave you tried mints
I don't see it as the same show tbh
I stand by my statement that Cartoon Network was what made the show peak as it made sure we didn't get an insane cast shake up like S3 and onward
Cartoon Network did it no favors at times tho the shows time slots was often confusing and badly placed however and cancelling it for the sake of low toy sells is in my opinion is annoying however I do agree that it was at it's best when it was on CN quality wise
Not keeping the whole show in the timeframe of season 1 killed the show for me.
Then season 3 of YJ went woke and the story suffered.
Just like with Pacific Rim, TFP Predacon Rising & Megamind, I like to believe that Young Justice Ended Abruptly on S2 & NOTHING else came after
tfp season 3 was nice tho
@@kidmods I was talking about RID, not Beast Hunters
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 yeah rid was shit
@@kidmods *NONEXISTENT* shit
I love tfp and pacific rim(yj too!) you spoke my mind I hv not seen megamind tho
We need a Wally West/Dick Grayson show honestly
Si tu si que sabes se llamaria
Kid Flash And Nigtwing
Seria su propia serie a me gustaria verlo🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Still not over them killing Wally man.😭 They just started putting way too many heros in the show. Like I could care less about g-force bro. Also they should have made a Batman incorporated spinoff that would have been fire.
I never liked how young justice did superman character or personality
The dialogue is so terrible now I don’t think I could choose less interesting ways to convey information to the audience
Lor-Zod was a great villain in Young Justice
I wish the show got animated movies
On god if I ever ran into forager I’m throwing hands. No words, no warning, FUCK FORAGER. The most annoying character
I’m a guy who also has multiple ideas, but I’ve realized for a time that there are cases where you can crossover them, but cramming it all in, either it’s too much work or there’s too much going on for the audience to focus on.
Had the show stuck with the core group and we got to see their development instead of making these massive timeskips and throw in all these different heroes this could've been the best animated DC show since JLU.
The only defense is that if we grew alongside the characters with zero time skips it would eventually be boring
The show’s shifting focus had me wondering if the DC brass at the time had handcuffed the writers with “you can’t use this or that character “. Lord knows studio interference has been a thing in the past, and I can smell it all over the last couple.
My biggest problem is that the creators of Young Justice have gone on record saying they want the show to keep going on forever, so even if we got a season 5 it's going to end on another cliffhanger with unresolved plots. The DCAU writers learned their lesson and made sure that when Justice League came out to always write every season with a satisfying finale. The only time they broke that rule was Starcrossed since they knew JLU was coming up for two locked in seasons which of course gave us the Cadmus arc.
Dude do NOT get me started on the whole Nightwing "arc" that was the one arc I was looking forward to the most. I'm thinking they'll save The Best for last, this was the best animated version of Dick Grayson in recent years and they sidelined him.
I been there with making video on YJ decline.
Also you said cyborg fused with a mother box, when they were specific it was a father box in this show. Explaining some the abnormal behaviors.
You also notice that season 3 also reuses character designs from the DCAMU (most notable with Batman, Wonder Woman, and Vandal Savage's face)
They wasted Aqualad's character.
Season 1 is the best. That's not an opinion, that's a fact
Lets be real,season 3 was a mess. They squeezed TO MANY characters and they tried soo hard to be another jlu. Jlu was still so good bcs it was well written and it still had the 7 og members in the focus and they also gave other characters their time to shine. Teen titans also had a lot of characters but the OG members always stayed in the focus and they had CHARACTER DEVOLOPMENT. And besides in literally the end OF ALL EPISODES the light will ALWAYS SAY "tHiNgS ArE gOiNg AcCoRdInG tO pLaN" it makes the heroes work useless. They also DRAGGED the lights plotpoint when it should have completed at season 2. And they tried TO hard to appeal to a larger audience by using halo. And also THOSE STUPID TIMESKIPS. Sooo much devolopment happened offscreen. And also they be giving the ANNOYING CHARACTERS LIKE FORAGER,HALO SO MUCH TIME ON THE SHOW.Another thing is the show runners KNOW that people will always watch young juatice if another season comes out bcs of the nostalgia.
Season 1 was the BEST season and ONE OF THE BEST SHOW RUNS I HAVE EVER SEEN. They didnt care about any one else ONLY the team mattererd and they they were ib the spotlight
Season 2 was okish but it had its moments
Season 3 was dogshit.
Season 4 was a MAJOR improvement from season 3 bcs the original team came back into the focus.
And it doesnt help that wb are constantly trying to cancel the show
To me, it ended badly when Wally died
it’s like when they were revived the writers lost their ability to convey the original tone of young justice
Yeah the first two seasons of Young Justice are still the best in my opinion with Season 1 still being my favorite, Season 3 I thought was fine but I found it mostly incredibly boring I didn't give AF about any of the new characters the Outsiders and I got about two or three episodes deep into Season 4 until I called it quits I was out Lol
So firstly I just want everyone to know that the Writers didn’t name the series. The big bosses did. So don’t assume anything based off the name because that wasn’t supposed to be the original name.
Secondly Artemis isn’t Artemis (She’s a JSA villain) and that pissed off a lot of fans because her comic version has an awesome story for her.
Thirdly the writers never intended for this series to actually have an ending. It’s just supposed to be written as something that is continuous. So don’t be angry about the ending of season 4 cause it was written with no intention of a proper ending to it.
Lastly the writers are the same guys that did stuff like Gargoyles. So of course it’s good.
Anyway I hope this information is helpful.😁
This just sounds dumb
Artemis was a villain, I don't know why they turned her to a hero
Recently started season 3 and the first thing I noticed how much worse it has become since s2
My favorite character, Connor/Super Boy got more justice at least in Season 3 he beats Bedlam down quickly and his on going rivalry with Mammoth seeing their matchs was always fun but Connor Beating Mammoth without the Shields was fun, seeing him suplex it back wards and coordinate with bio ship to stun and knock him down probably the fastest time yet was amazing also him Mentoring Brion and seeing his rageful side in him was nice coming back on how far he's matured, Connor Later in Season 4 makes the ultimate sacrifice of stopping the bomb on mars and goes through whole bunch of other stuff being the inspiration for the legion heros and seeing him Getting Married to Megan was nice to see, as happy endings we barely see in this show yeah alot of things felt rushed and everything was kinda everywhere but at least Super Boy got good characters moments and an ending season 2 shited on so much it was annoying.
I hate the fact that Halo is treated just like Kenny from south park, that's so out of place. Also the new characters feel shallow and basic even after having their own arc, almost as if they were written just to check a list.
When it became the drama show is when it really went downhill.
Some personal problems involving our heros is nice here and there. Yet it became the entire show and since we had so many characters it never ended.
The over use of khary Payton was pissing me off cus they really had bro voicing every black character on the show except for cyborg the character he became popular with 😂
They couldn’t get Phil La Marr, Kevin Michael Richardson, Kieth Silverstein or even Zeno Robinson to voice the other black characters?
I think that the biggest issue is so much character development happens off screen and you wonder why?
I completely agree with this video. Part of me wants a season 5, the other part knows it wouldnt focus on who I want. I rewatched season 2 recently and realised Wally is in less than a quarter of episodes and his death is supposed to be big but I needed more time with the Wallman first to get that hit
The big problem is they never firmly established that Young Justice was both the title and thesis of the show. The show was about young heroes coming into their own. In order to show that, time has to keep moving until there are new young heroes to introduce.
The day they made Aqua Lad Aqua Maam I checked out
I thought season 4 was an improvement over season 3 but still isn’t as good as season 1
I feel like the problem started way back in Season 2 with the first time skip and then just kept getting worse. It's like the showrunners had all these ideas of where to take the story and they knew they wouldn't get enough seasons to develop and pace it naturally so they just started skipping around to what they thought would be interesting, losing the slow character development and well-balanced cast that made the audience love it in the first place. Like all of these plots would've been fine if they actually took the time to properly build up to them and make us care about the characters
Forager is the most annoying character but yet he gets so much screen time. Who do they think their target audience is? Pre teens?
Season 1 its perfect, but after that it became worse every season
I don't normally drop shows even when they go bad but I had to make an exception with Young Justice season 4 it is absolutely atrocious & even though I love garbage it was still too much trash even for me
Same smh
In my case, that happened with season 3. I only saw half of that season. I directly watched season 4, and even today I haven't finished season 3.
The highest moment of the Young Justice was the death of Wally, when i was a kid i saw this moment in cartoon network and i felt kind awkward with this moment because i always have been used to see the characters come back and in this case was soooo different and shocking to me.
And when the 3rd season come out i only seen 3 or 4 caps, it felt so boring to me and i'm not a nostalgic person at all and i don't know, when i noticed that the new season will be for adults audience i was disappointed
Hey man just wanna say your videos are awesome. Always talk about characters and things other people sleep on
Season 3 felt so off, like I couldn’t tell what it was but something just felt off about it and not cause of Wally, but I would say season 4 was pretty decent
It became too political
I feel that just too many storylines and characters were introduced with little payoff. Still waiting for that payoff with Jason Todd, introduced at the beginning of season 3. It also felt like the core members had to relearn the same lesson they learned in season 2 - keeping secret a large scale conspiracy in the superhero community is a bad thing.
Young Justice has the RWBY problem, it introduces a large cast of characters and doesn't have enough for them to do.
First off, I always enjoy your videos. Great content and interesting opinions each time. Keep them coming.
I will have to disagree with you on season three. I have watched the show three times all the way through (except for season four - full disclosure, I watched it once). I think the creative decisions made for season three really pulled it out of the rut that I feel each time I watch season two. The choices for S3 were bold for an animated show - the characters, the mature plot, the modern issues. I found the threads in it engaging each time I watched it. And as an older comics fans who did collect some Batman and the Outsiders in my day, I found the takes on those characters to be a well-needed new approach. Seasons 1 and 3 are in my opinion are the best seasons of the show - mind you, I am not saying 2 and 4 are bad, they were great, they just fall a little short of 1 and 3 IMO.
Wally West, Kid Flash ending was cool and I imagined that we get a future look at Wally, in the far future and broken from the speed force and trying to get back to his own timeline and its a dark future with the Reach or Darkseid ruling Earth, or even an type of Old Man Logan (from marvel comics) where the villains ruled the world. And Wally has to hide and build himself a time machine and we see from two points of view with Young Justice fighting The Light and Wally knowing that the villains will win the day in the end. A pissed off Wally finally travelling back with an anti-Vandal Savage rock gun and shoots him and removes his immortality. All we got was Phantom Zone Wally and Connor.
I didn't like Black Lightning, thought he was a mopey b*tch and I say that its the same with season 4 Beat Boy. Also Beast boy's look through all the seasons part from his first.
Seems like a lot of characters did nothing but angst a lot in seasons 3 and 4.
The biggest problem I had with young justice is that they introduced new characters in the show in second season like Tim drake, Cassie etc yet did absolutely nothing with them. They either focused on characters that nobody cared about like Violet, Geoforce and Forager or they focused on just the main cast. Some characters like blue beetle and impulse got some focus in season 2 only to be completely sidelined later. They introduced Jason but also never did anything with him.
When Young Justice was cancelled in season 2 it was stated they were gonna do something with Tim(one of my favorite DC characters) but when the show came back they did absolutely nothing with Tim or any of the new characters such as Tracie 13, Spoiler, Arrowette the characters they showed concept art for.
I really wish the show was similar to Justice League Unlimited which had individual episodes focusing on minor characters such as Huntress, Question, Booster Gold I loved those episodes. That is the correct way to handle a big cast.
Season 3 in general was just a drag to get through and I quit watching the show after that and didn't bother with season 4. Also the animation in the show got worse, it's clear they were on a much lesser budget than what they were on Cartoon Network.
Also as a Batman fan I would have watched the show just for Nightwing but they didn't even give me a lot of Nightwing.
The biggest thing I hated was the inclusion of social media in season 3, freaking twitter made it into the show
Dude, I'm crazy, I'm like the only person alive who thinks s3 and s4 are actually better than s1 and s2 😭😭😭
To me, the lack of focus on character arc ended in season 1, with season 2 forward focusing in each seasonal villain/event. Also, from season 2 forward they always change the focus MCs and villains. Like, what you say about Zod it's true, but it's also true for The Reach. And I seriously don't remember what half of s1's cast were doing in season 2 (Artemis, Wally and Aqualad did have a plot, Zatanna was doing daddy issues, I think; the rest was just kinda there. Actually I think Rocket wasn't even there).
To me this "lack of focus" ain't wrong, is just the series' modus operandi
The reason I enjoy s3 and s4 more is because the melodrama is a bit water down'd, which I see as an improvement, bc first half of the series, and mostly s1's drama is just so tryhard. Instead of acting like humans, the characters are acting like they want to win an Oscar real bad, I buy better their reactions as humans in the latter half
I'm not a hater, from a campy point of view I even enjoy the melodrama, which is my least favorite part of the series... well I don't love Halo either... ahem- YJ is my favorite DC animated show.
Is just that is crazy to me that people actually don't like the streaming seasons, and I'm not sure if it's for they actually don't remember how YJ was actually like, or if it's because I'm out of my mind
... That's a long-ahh comment
I just got tired of new characters on top of new characters
Season 3 and 4 took the bad of Season 1 and 2 and ramped it up by 1000😭💀
Seasons 3 and 4 have their weaknesses, but they're nowhere as bad as people are painting them out to be. A lot of story and themes in the show are natural evolutions from everything the first two seasons established.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 And boring as sin
There's something wrong with you
I really only see the original members of The Team as the only characters who get consistent focus through all four seasons (minus Conner and Wally in Invasion and Dick in Phantoms), while everyone else is a minor character meant to only be focused on each seasonal arc. So, Invasion had Jaime and Bart, Outsiders had Brion, Violet, and Victor, and Phantoms had the Legion of Super Heroes and Beast Boy. There's clearly a large overarching story with The Light and Apokolips that "Evolution" explains is one that'll last for years and years in the show's timeline. My only agreement is with the show's poor animation, but that's more to blame on WB for providing less budget. Even then, season 4's colors and designs are a step up from season 3.
Hey remember when Red Tornado wanted to become more human and that was touched upon in Season 1, barely mentioned in Season 3 and not at all in Seasons 2 and 4? That was so cool
They started forcing "DEI" and suddenly the show got worse. What a shocking sequence of events