WHAT is this, and WHY do you want it UNDER your tile floor?
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2019
- In this video, we will show you how to properly install an uncoupling membrane on top of a wood subfloor prior to tile installation. Read below for the benefits of an uncoupling membrane installed on wood and concrete.
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Strata Mat is an uncoupling membrane with a fleece installed to the underside. The matting has a grid structure of cavities and the matting is specifically designed for ceramic, porcelain and stone installations.
Designed to replace traditional underlayment materials.
Uncoupling: decouples the floor tile from the substrate, which means that movement in the substrate will not affect the tiles. This prevents future and expected cracking of tiles and grout joints.
Load Impact - Tiles that are laid on top of the matting are able to withstand greater loads because the matting transfers the load directly to the substrate.
Adhesive Properties: Strata Mat can be used with modified or unmodified thinset mortar.
Strata Mat can be used on an array of different surfaces, including: concrete, mortar, gypsum, and concrete.
Tiling can begin immediately after Strata mat is installed.
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Can this be used with heated floors?
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Happy Memorial weekend! 👊
I do like strata mat but I’m partial to red guard uncoupling membrane by customs. I used the strata mat once because dal Tile was out of the red guard. I definitely like that each membrane allows the use of modified thin set top and bottom and they are much easier to install than hardi
I use a magnesium float to press in the uncoupling membrane, glides over the plastic nice and you can apply a lot of pressure. I always enjoy your videos from one tile guy to another, keep up the great work!
Really like all your videos brother thanks for sharing
Love that you can see the coverage when you install it, but I all ways let the membrane dry over night, my theory is if the mortar is half dry an you walk on it its have dry an then moved by working on top of it, it's like pulling a tile off or moving it 2 hours after installed an then trying to make it stick again, it won't. Love the rest of the video
Hi! Congrats for your good videos. Does it really need a membrane between plywood and tiles with non heated floor? Why?
Nothing beats old school cement boards.
Plywood alone over the years becomes loose and when an extra 1/2” cement board is added becomes solid bulletproof just perfect for tile.
Flexing subfloor will be the downfall of this method. Especially with 5/8" subfloor.
Interesting, both the video and membrane technology.In my country however, I've never seen it in use. I guess it's not even possible to buy it in hardware/tile supply stores.
Thanks for the video very good explanation...
Have you tried Red Gaurds uncoupling mat? Also in this video you are installing over plywood. What about homes with structure board(osb) subfloor? Since modified thinset from Custom, Mapai say not intended for osb boards?
Nice Video! what angle grinder is that? and how is it so far from the grinder it self? adapter? at 10:22
Wonder why schluter didn’t think about this kind of matting with breathable holes to also offer as a second option for not water proof floor areas that may also want to use modified thin set great idea 👍
If your bathroom floods because say the toilet overflows it doesn't matter too much what your substrate is. Schluter is water proof, however the edge of the room is where the water will end up going and finding its way through.
great vid. thank you
Should this be used for slate on a slab outside my home or just on the inside?
What thinset do you use to adhere the strata mat to the subfloor?
Why did you op for the angle grinder instead of the plunge cut on the wetsaw
Can you apply this strata mat over pressure treated plywood?
I charged about $5 sq ft for Hearty backer ,I think I can do same even though stratmat is more expensive saving on screws and labor (and back) any charging thoughts.? Never removed yet .always wonder how good the bond is to wood or even slabs. But looking forward to eliminating cement boards etc.
Do you screw your subfloor with decking gun? Why not use a Clarke disc sander and skim the floor clean then apply thinset? I get better results doing that just FYI Love the vids and the fact you try do things the right way! 🔷💪
Priming the subfloor with a high quality primer is actually better. You get a really good bond.
Will Here where does it say that in the tcna handbook?
I thought that's what the thin set does
So did you do at the joints?
Can you use it outdoors over concrete?
Use the flat side of the trowel to ‘key in’ the thin-set before using the notched side to gauge the mortar.
Were you walking on the freshly laid tiles? I’ve seen that done in commercial but not in residential.
No, just kicking out the wedges the next day
Another good video bother! How are you liking that new ridgid blade on the wetsaw?
It's a surprisingly good blade! I think it goes for $70 which is a little pricey for Ridgid, but works well. I have a 10" tile saw blade comparison video coming up soon!
Interesting product, I have never seen that. Can you use modified thin set to lay tile over kerdi walls?
Yo Brando! The answer to that is yes and no. Yes if you're using schluter mortars. Which I find sub par at best and way over priced. Schluter has no issue with unmodified mortar under or over schluter products and modified as long as it's their products, but only their products. Funny how that works.
Now, I've been installing schluter products for a very long time and I will let you in on my "don't tell schluter" secret. I do not use unmodified thinset. I use ardex X5 most every time. Best mortars I have ever used, and they just plain work. I would recommend any installer to tread carefully when going outside of the "schluter box"
You have to be very confident in the products you're using and your installation. I am 200% confident in ardex products in conjunction with schluter so I use them. As a ton of other great installers do. Never a failed leak test, call back, or issue using Ardex X5 with schluter. I can't say I've never had issues with various unmodified and schluter mortars. They just don't have the creamy, sticky consistency when mixed more fluid. And don't have the holding power. Hope this helps.
I would recommend ardex and laticrete products all day long. That's been what works for me every time. 👍
Ardex thinsets have a chemical cure unlike others that are air dry. X5 is warranted by schluter. Also schluter is not in the cement business. They will have another company putting their product in a schluter bag and put the schluter pricing to it. Also if you hang large format tile with unmodified thinset good luck finding warranty on that
Do you bring your ac on job site ?
Nice install. The strata mat looks very similar to Ditra except for the color.
Yes sir, nearly identical other than being breathable with the small holes.
It is indeed. It's not waterproof or vapor retardant like ditra. It can breath. It's a fantastic uncoupling membrane if you need the uncoupling properties only. Not only that but super fast and simple to set 👍
I like the fact you can use modified over it that’s a selling point for me! I love detra but I need something a little cheaper and modified thinset I trust that more than un modified
yes sir! my favorite!
Landberg tile TV: When you screew the second layer of plywood over the subfloor, do you screew that second layer in the joist or just between the joists ? My joists are at 16'' center. If it's screew just between the joists how may screew will you put in a row between two joist ? Thanks.
No need to screw the second layer in the joist, but it couldn't hurt.
Do you need to put a "band" over the seams like has to be done with Schluter so that the seam does not crack through the tile?
no, we never band the seams and it will never crack at the seam is what I hear
Great 👍
Looks like a good idea is this available at Home Depot or is it something you have to special order what is the guarantee we can offer to customers I’m certified with schluter will this help in any way
I left a link on the video to buy online and the uncoupling membrane prevents and future cracking of stone tiles and/or grout joints with movement of subfloor and concrete slabs.
I had to skim through. Is this cheaper than Schluter Ditra? Any performance diffs?
It is cheaper than ditra. It is also breathable. It has small holes throughout to let vapor flow. As far as uncoupling properties, it is nearly the same product. However, ditra is waterproof and vapor tight when used in conjunction with kerdi band. If you don't need the waterproofing properties, this is an awesome alternative to schluter ditra
Nice 👊
Thanks for a great vid!
What kind of tile was that?
It's from Lowe's. Wavy on the surface and sides..
@@LandbergTileTV Thanks!!
What kind of tile is this? I've been looking for a slate black/grey tile with a smooth surface (unlike slate).
You can find this on Home depot online. I think it was $5 a square foot, but I could be wrong.
How do you level the wood subfloor? Or how do you get a level surface for tile
We pour self leveling if we need to. 👊
Landberg Tile TV do you pour the self leveling on subfloor or ontop of the membrane?
as a woman, many thanks, I'm following the videos getting ready for bathroom remodel
Try durabase from dural. It has a mesh top layer. Alot better in my opinion.
Will do, looks like Home Depot carriers it, thx!
I’ve seen these but never used them. Would this help with leveling out slightly uneven floors?
Negative, you need to address a floor if it is too much out of level.
Thanks always a pleasure watching your vids
How would you address it if it is a wood subfloor? Can you dump some quick level on top of wood?
Can you tell all the things name in description box u use in this tils video
I have the link to the strata mat in the video. You can see everything else here:
www.amazon.com/shop/landbergtilediytv
Is a strata mat a better option to help with self leveling a cement basement floor rather than pouring self leveling cement? Which do you prefer? Appreciate all you do for us DIYers!
Self leveling should be the first step 👍
Better than kerdi!!
Ive seen a bunch of detra under layment style floors fail !! Grout starts cracking up.if you have any bit of water damage on the floor stuff you cant even see. or your sub floor flexs at all it will fail. Its shity but the best is 1/4 durock with 1 inch durock screws. built like a tank and matches up to hardwood under door jam. I ve never hade a floor fail using it I use the detra for infloor heating. Thats about it. And hardi backer is trash.
I always do the good ol fashion mudbed can’t tell you how many jobs I went into having to tear this junk out
So you are relying on the 5/8" subfloor to not flex? I always use Hardibacker to increase my subfloor thickness to over one inch!
Screw down the subfloor first.
Use a urethane construction adhesive on the back of the Hardibacker.
My tile floor and grout lines will NEVER crack!!
We've installed this uncoupling membrane on 100's of floors, thousands and thousands of square ft. without every getting a call back or problems.
I always rescrew the subfloor. It’s never in good condition
that's what I thought especially on wood floors with wood house? thanks
I cannot believe anyone would fall for the uncoupling membrane philosophy. Wood and concrete floors that move up and down still crack tile through the membrane. Tile issues occur when the tile separates from the floor because of movement and poor installation. You are saying to pay money for a product that is going to come loose. If you want your tile to stay in place 100% use a crack isolation membrane and wire or plastic mesh on wood. On concrete just crack isolation on the cracks or joints. Uncoupling membrane is a waste. Never used on commercial sites just ill informed retail home owners. And above all else do not walk on the tiles you are laying. Even with clips you can still break the bond...just an old tiler that fixes bad installs for a living
If you are worried about your lungs or knees I don’t think you should be anywhere near a remodel or construction site… 😂
Don't need it, don't want it.
i don’t like it. i’ll tell you why.
it’s hard plastic, and thin-set needs something to bite into.
like when you paint a shiny surface that paint peels off. just like the paint tray liners, that doest let the paint penetrate ana it peels off. it’s hard no-porous shiny plastic. no good !
that stata liner or whatever it’s called is not porous at all and won’t bond with thin-set.
the tiles may go down ok but i’d bet that everyone that uses that stuff will hear about the tiles popping up or cracking.
that membrane was designed for concrete subfloors that tend to has moisture and crack. that membrane will allow the concrete to move without effecting the tile floor above it, BUT, i still think the tiles will pop after some time.
i installed tile thirty years ago on many jobs over plywood and it still looks good and still set strong.
stata may may bring in some money for the company that makes it, but i think it’s going to bite them in the ass at some point.
that’s my story and i’m sticking to it.
cheers !
Nothing but a failure waiting to happen! Seen it happen way to many times.
Explain
Uncoupling membranes in theory allow for the substrate and the tile to move independently to prevent cracking. It’s been my industry experience that these types of membranes allow for far too much movement. I’d say avoid these types of products unless you like to frequently repair & replace your work. Large format and plank tiles are especially susceptible to failures when installed over products such as this. Modes of failure I’ve seen. 1) grout break out 2) tile fracture 3) difficulty maintaining a level lay 4) mortar bed failure 5) membrane separation
Grout break out and mortar bed failure seem to be the most common. In my experience it’s not an if but when type of situation. It’s going to fail you just hope the customer damages the floor or moves before it happens.
@@1slkss sounds like everything you just explained is exactly what these products were designed to eradicate..🤔🤔🤔...I would need for you to provide more evidence.
I support this comment I have been setting tile in the same company for years and I have made some repair jobs because the reason you commented.
@@animaticoforever all those things that he described are issues with the floor. Normally grout breaks from to much deflection in the floor. The uncoupling allows for some....not all deflection. I've used it....will never go back to concrete board
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