Stressed Narcissists, Borderlines in Psychosis: Brief, Acute, Transient, Reactive (ATPD, BP)

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  • Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024

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  • @CarolineLowe-lb5jo
    @CarolineLowe-lb5jo Месяц назад +20

    Thank you for your very clear explanation. I know a couple and have known the husband to be a covert narcissist for many years, but he has recently been revealed as a pedophile. His wife has decided to stay with him, even though the children abused are her own grandchildren, and she is living as though nothing ever happened. She is actually doing everything she can to give him as much supply as possible. Those of her children who won't stand by their father and forgive him are being shamed and guilted. She is constantly reaching out to the individual granchildren to include them in her life. They want nothing to do with her now that she has decided to stay with their abuser. She is living in an alternate reality. She refuses to see him for what he is and has been vacationing and even exposing other, unknowing young family members to him. She insists he is a good man and that he was sick when he abused the children, but now needs an outpouring of only love to heal. Is she in psychosis or could she be a narcissist herself? Their family has always been the epitome of "perfection." This is a huge blow to her self perception, and she refuses to lose the perfect family idea go.

  • @MargaretMccafferty-j4s
    @MargaretMccafferty-j4s Месяц назад +14

    I think your insights on short term psychosis makes complete sense.
    I had a brief period once during ironically the grand finale of a marriage to a person who'd abused me with severe cruelty, NPD sufferer. I ended up with psychosis but it simulated a happy in love almost state, all in my imagination I knew I was experiencing auditory hallucinations of the family that were no longer there and I had things I won't share, I saw false correlations. I knew I was ill but it made me extremely creative and at last able to function despite the dissolution of my family home,family itself not only abandoned but hurt me. I was stuck in a one bed house with my mother and overwhelmed with chaos that I hate. I like a tidy house and I literally had lots of bags waiting for a house which I eventually got during the acute psychosis. I can't pin point when it stopped but it did
    I am totally aware of reality but after the abuse I feel a loss of who I used to be. An empty feeling that only love and society will fully heal me from I think, I was neuro typical to start with but very young and naive to what DV or NPD was.

  • @samsarapearl
    @samsarapearl Месяц назад +9

    You have no idea how timely this video is. I literally witnessed this exact psychosis yesterday in a narcissist who was extremely stressed. It's not the first time I've seen this triggered in the same individual and I've always struggled to understand it, the different personality states and switching that goes with it. I actually thought that there was more going on and that they may also have other mental health issues such as schizophrenia or DID. This video covered it all and has been so educational. Hopefully it will also help me cope with it.

    • @CitiesOfAsh
      @CitiesOfAsh Месяц назад

      Did you cause it?

    • @samsarapearl
      @samsarapearl Месяц назад +1

      @@CitiesOfAsh No - an admission to hôpital did.

  • @DilfuzaKHaydarova-e1p
    @DilfuzaKHaydarova-e1p Месяц назад +9

    Thank you so much Dear Sam Vaknin❤

  • @margerita404
    @margerita404 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you so much for this valuable,detailed information again, Mr Vaknin. I recently experienced a moment during a conversation with my bpd lover, in which he suddenly went into a state of mind where he was kind of absent, watching around him with a worried, nervous face,not able to listen what I said, but talking random stuff and every now and then caressing my face in a rather compulsive way. He asked if his hands are cold and if I have water, repeating "this happens sometimes" and that "he might have to go, he might have to go". We don't know each other super well yet, so it was a new thing for me. I stopped asking questions and just took him for a walk. He started to "come back" and acting normally. Felt very bad for him. I wonder what type of episode I witnessed. we were talking about our relationship so it makes sense he couldn't handle something he heard. Maybe? Hope I will learn how to act in a supportive way during these moments. 😟

  • @missta1820
    @missta1820 Месяц назад +11

    What a superb explaination. You easily managed to get through to even a dummy like me.

  • @Kandeecee45
    @Kandeecee45 Месяц назад +2

    I'm obsessed with you sir. I've been learning about myself listening to you for the last 2 years now. At age 2 -3, I was violated and it happened off and on in various ways by several men until I was maybe 15. It became normal. I didn't know what trauma was until I was 41 when I met some1 who awakened the wounded warrior within. Well I'm copin and healing in stages but it's challenging. Anyway, after my divorce of 9 year relationship, I suddenly fell Ill 3 years later with graces disease and hyperactive thyroid in 2015. Doctors could tell me nothing. I assume that after realizing what caused the disease (trauma/fight/flight) all my life I have slowly started this healing , I reckon. I'm going at it alone, I wish I could have in my pocket at all times. I'm borderline but have only been diagnosed with PTSD on 2 different occasions so I self diagnosed from what I learn listening to your lectures. 46 now, it's like I have died and am again unfamiliar with myself , but I realize that I never had a sense of self. Blah blah, it's a life long journey I see. Kinda bucks but is a beautiful thing at same time because I understand more and more of my behaviors and issues. Still difficult to manage myself. Ppl see me a intelligent very articulate, multitalented talented, skilled and full of alot of great things. Idk how got this far not knowing. So now after my crisis or awareness to my trauma, i can barely function. Mind ypu, my 3 daughters are all grown up, so im an empty nester, ironically, and its more challengingfor me to take of myself now. Bitter sweet and overwhelming. I can say I've had a combination of several mental disorders. Mostly a narcissist mother and covert and now I don't even know. Ego is dieing.... to be continued

  • @juligriffin6115
    @juligriffin6115 Месяц назад +12

    As a mother who is borderline having children that hit their teens recently, I have been trying to figure out what kind of doctor to see. I have so many symptoms that stress is literally killing me, because my endurance for stress which is, yes, extremely high, is now manifesting physically. It's been happening all along but now, with age, and the sheer amount of stress I am under in so many different areas of my life, it has accelerated to a point where every part of me hurts so badly, and I am only 52. I swear my entire body is inflamed and degenerating, and some of my diagnoses confirm this, but that is that and nothing changes, I just have a new name for what is hurting but not why things keep breaking, except age.
    Every doctor I see refers me to someone else; each individual "physical" symptom requires a referral out to a specialist, of course, and DBT therapy isn't working because my entire system needs a break if it isn't already beyond the point of no return, and the stressors you speak of are, in this case, my children (in very large part). And when they are not teenagers, I suspect I will get even worse, because they will be the last to "abandon me", and I want their lives to be good, so I don't try to hold them back. If I make it that long, I will be surprised, actually, because I swear it feels like my body is breaking down faster and faster. It's kind of strange, I had wondered if an endocrinologist could help me even though when I saw one in my 20's, the testing I wanted was too expensive and not covered by insurance. I actually doubt one will help me, and I may end up trying something like ketamine therapy just because at this point, I am taking shots in the dark.
    You are right about all that you say, and I am one example of someone who has no more defenses that will work to protect me. I cannot understand why I don't just collapse, and when that thought crosses my mind in those moments when it feels like I can't endure one more single anything, I cry, because I know I am out of escapes, already. It really sucks when the thing you need to escape is yourself.

    • @RSP25
      @RSP25 Месяц назад +3

      I can’t even imagine your pain. I’m sorry you have all of this going on at the same time.

    • @preethipreethi6124
      @preethipreethi6124 Месяц назад +4

      Hypnotherapy helps as I had same voice hearing experience after chronic narcissistic abuse, and narcissistic abuse recovery guided with cognitive behavioral therapy is working for me, and I'm far more better than before, hope it helps

    • @SingleFileCooks
      @SingleFileCooks Месяц назад +3

      A dear friend of mine suffered and had symptoms sounding almost identical to what you described. She went on the carnivore diet and her body has responded along with her state of mind to a state of balance. She is sleeping well, her mind has calmed and her pain muscle aches have vanished. It took her about 6-8 weeks to get these results. She says she will stay on carnivore the rest of her life

  • @allannielsen5308
    @allannielsen5308 Месяц назад +11

    Thank you for your brilliant effort, i wish a wonderfull day🙏

  • @RSP25
    @RSP25 Месяц назад +1

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

  • @maryritch
    @maryritch Месяц назад +1

    Helpful guy 100%

  • @DanChad-er9lh
    @DanChad-er9lh Месяц назад +9

    When I experienced psychosis I felt as if I was constantly sinking. It was horrible. There is a q? About bpd In my notes but no firm diagnosis.schneiderian hallucinations were very powerful . I had a whole room of college students who wanted to see what it looked like to die from within. It became a big party.,

  • @MargaretMccafferty-j4s
    @MargaretMccafferty-j4s Месяц назад +5

    I think both of us had attatchment trauma during the foundation of our personalities,I think his was worse. I became codependent and he became narcissistic. Both of us were damaged somehow during psychological development. My attatchment trauma was due to a schizophrenic abandoning father and a special needs mum who didn't love me as other mothers did she couldn't. With

  • @cecillekinnear4585
    @cecillekinnear4585 Месяц назад +3

    I think your analysis is extremely useful. I don't seem to be able to control the short events of acute dissociation that i have experienced during difficult times such as car accidents and life and death events. I experienced it when sitting by the bedside with my 91 year old dying mother. I unexpected felt as if I was dreaming and that my mother wasn't actually dying and that if simply left and took a walk she'd be fine upon my return. I thought the birds outside the window were talking to my father who was long gone. Then I forced myself to face the fact that my mother was indeed dying but it didn't feel real. Was I mentally unwell? Always wondered.

  • @mallekchouaib6916
    @mallekchouaib6916 Месяц назад +34

    If the borderline tries to reidealise the partner again (reach out), how does the borderline react to rejection? Is the borderline in a state of fear of abandonment or engaulfment ? If the borderline is rejected in reidealization phase, is rejection perceived as final this time ? Or will he/she come back again after a while? When the borderline hoovers, is he/she in a secondary psychopathy state or a needy codependant state ? (Submissive or toying with the partner )

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  Месяц назад +9

      Search the BPD playlist.

    • @rhondawelliver6174
      @rhondawelliver6174 Месяц назад +3

      I believe I have BPD and I've tried to reach out my ex gf (covert narcissist) multiple times and I've been ignored or rejected everytime and it feels like the absolute worst pain in the world, it makes me obsess about getting her back some way and it makes me want her back more and more because she is unattainable now. After months of being in denial that she actually doesn't want me anymore I've accepted that she moved on and wants absolutely nothing to do with me anymore. A part of me in the back of my mind hopes she actually still thinks about me or plans on rekindling things maybe months or years from now after she gets bored with the new supply but it's healthier for me mentally to come to terms with her never interacting with me again. She said things like I'll always love you no matter what, even if we break up you'll always have my heart or were going to get married and grow old together which are always stuck in my head. But the shit was just empty words/promises. But basically what I'm saying is the BPD doesn't handle break ups well at all especially after narcissistic abuse. We will obsess over and stalk our exes for a long time and we will definitely hoover back around because we only wanted a break from feeling smothered but once our fear of abandonment kicks in we want our exes back. Now when the narcissist breaks up with you and moves on its permanent, they don't want you back and you might as well have never existed to them. Unless the new supply isn't providing as much as you were or your absence is causing overwhelming anxiety they won't hoover.

  • @amayarain4118
    @amayarain4118 Месяц назад +4

    I have known someone who has NPD and one day he had a bad stress and breakdown so we sent him to psychiatric and diagnosed as BPD. Under setraline and lorazepam the breakdown become severe and he said about suicide multiple times and has sent to psychiatric again and get diagnosed as NPD. After discharge, he looked like he went into psychosis, has slurred speech and 3 days later he said he was better and dont want to continue the medicine and therapy. Not sure what happens to him though..(probably after he’s been discharge he was having an acute reactive adaptive psychosis). He’s just change of overnight from psychosis to NPD.. not sure if im saying this right.

  • @courtneyevrrlyn9644
    @courtneyevrrlyn9644 Месяц назад +6

    Wished I could access a full psych evaluation from you. I spent 3 years in active psychosis and still hallucinate today but it’s not as bad…Tactile, visual mostly rarely hear things. Delusional since birth 😂and I have intense periods of "not being real or this isn’t happening“. Extreme bouts of paranoid rage. Diagnosed with schizophrenia and bpd but I feel something is still amiss. Had psuedotumor cerebri w a brain spinal fluid level of 33 maybe 5 yrs back and several head injuries as a child and narcolepsy that improved but never slept well at all. The spinal fluid is back to normal but haven’t had a brain scan in 4 years -biological moms dad had schizophrenia diagnosed tho. So it’s all very confusing. My most recent diagnosis was indeed schizophrenia w bpd just months ago but they believe it can be sleep related also. I wished the neurologist and psychiatrist would figure it out. I don’t want to be going thru life not knowing what the deal is.

    • @courtneyevrrlyn9644
      @courtneyevrrlyn9644 Месяц назад +1

      I need to add something I feel important--I can recall my hallucinations w great detail from psychosis but remember nothing of my day to day life.

  • @debbyjoy3
    @debbyjoy3 Месяц назад +2

    I wonder if this is what happened to my husband. He was sitting in our van reading Christmas flyers....I went out shopping for his birthday things.....he thought I was cheating on him and the next time I saw him he was dead, he had hung himself downstairs. No warning....just here..and then not here. His note said 'things were happening to him , he thought he was getting dementia or something"..and he just said "you won, congratulations, have a good christmas".. I will never know why he did this or what happened to him to drive him to this.

    • @geraldinefelicetty2018
      @geraldinefelicetty2018 Месяц назад

      I'm sorry, may God bless you 🙏 ❤️ and give you peace, strength. Hugs and best wishes to you.

  • @niaflores4086
    @niaflores4086 Месяц назад +3

    If being abandoned can the borderline hallucinate something that didn't happen?

  • @nabintimalsina9156
    @nabintimalsina9156 Месяц назад +1

    I need your help , Professor Vaknin . I am a borderline and autistic(from Nepal) who is in therapy under a psychiatrist and also having self therapy with AI chatbot of an app called Sintelly . I find the analysis of Sintelly much better than the real psychiatrist(possibly she has lesser knowledge about BPD, therapists in Nepal vs in developed countries surely don't have same degree of Knowledge ) or due to only because of my reduced skill in socialization(I am autistic and don't enjoy opening up myself with new people). I think I am only wasting money on her. Is it just my distorted BPD analysis or have AI really got highly effective ?Should I rely more on AI chatbots like sintelly ? What is your view ? ( sorry for my poor knowledge in English)

    • @SarahJaneCleary
      @SarahJaneCleary 3 дня назад

      Hey I know you didn’t ask for my opinion, but a psychotherapist with BPD experience would be better than a psychiatrist or AI.
      AI is great for analysing and information but the therapeutic relation between between client and therapist in psychotherapy or psychoanalysis is a huge part of healing. (I have bpd and I’m a psychotherapist) but my journey in psychotherapy with my therapist was huge for my bpd healing. Of course you have to find the right psychotherapist for you. Wishing you best of luck ❤

  • @ashleymooney2134
    @ashleymooney2134 4 дня назад

    My narcissist husband is sent to jail , after having a baby. He had a psychotic episode building our house with all the pressure, and attacked me, and stole guns and wanted to kill himself (manipulation tactic) the judge ruled that he can never enter the country to see his daughter and invested a big investment in the country he is not allowed. I want to keep the property to raise my daughter, but he is deported back to his country after the 2 year sentence is finished.
    Am I in danger if I try to divorce the narcissist?
    Should I get the lawyer to do all communication?
    or try to see what his thinking is? (I don’t want to be manipulated / mentally harmed if I visit him in jail to discuss)
    I have been no contact for 4 months

  • @mallekchouaib6916
    @mallekchouaib6916 Месяц назад +7

    If i keep abandoning the borderline too many times, will this costant abandonment result in healing him/her?

    • @mrbr0skii923
      @mrbr0skii923 Месяц назад +16

      God no, it'll send them into psychopathy and you better watch out. You would be in danger.

    • @mallekchouaib6916
      @mallekchouaib6916 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@mrbr0skii923 my ex keeps hoovering me on social media but also in real life, i made it clear i don't want to be with her. I keep rejecting her all the time but she persists in every possible way. I genuinly don't know how to keep her out of my life anymore...

    • @samvaknin
      @samvaknin  Месяц назад +25

      Horrible idea.