'Lost' writer Calton Cuse on mythology, regrets and legacy 10 years on
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Digital Spy talks exclusively to Lost showrunner Carlton Cuse on the 10th anniversary of the show's first episode.
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LOST is still my favorite show of all time.
This show was and still is fantastic. It built up so well, propelling further into the roots of the mysteries and answering questions in ways both satisfying and also open enough to make you wonder and discuss ideas with friends. And the end? Beautiful. Sad. Nostalgic. It had it all.
I wholeheartedly agree. I have also observed that a large majority of people that hate the ending, simply did not understand what happened. I only ever saw lost through streaming, not when it aired. though I can understand how it may have been frustrating to watch on a weekly basis rather than binging it freely.
No other TV show/movie like _Lost_...
watch Twin Peaks
@@dangeradams58240 I have. Still isn't like LOST. Now I will then say that there is no other show quite like Twin Peaks either. Both are very unique, and have a different tone to it.
What interpretion? It was pretty clear cut
@walter white Yes! And I liked even more season two and/or three! :D
LOST is like a cross between the Twilight Zone, X Files, Twin Peaks.
the whole show from start to the end is talking about this yin yang thing good and bad light and darkness, faith and science, about people beliefs, always talking about the spiritual part of every individual, and yet people were upset about the ending, some people wish they were already dead and the island was a purgatory, i mean really? that would be a better finale? c'mon, the show has one of the best finales i ever watched, emotional AF and i'm not even a religious person eventhough i think the finale just beautiful, alot ppl took the finale as a meme and not even watched the show they just want to make the same joke, if you watched the whole thing you know the significance of each character in that finale.
i can only feel sorry for ppl that whine about, because they weren't toched by meaning of it.
Perfect show spinoff, is telling the story of what happened on the island when the Romans and Egyptians came to the island, before and after Mother was killed, and how Jacob and MIB interacted with these people, why they built the 4 toed statue, Lighthouse, temple, under ground temple/chamber for smokie. Lots of things happened before our Losties got there, tons of other Losties stories came first.
This is the second time I heard about eko's departure and how that gives more ideas for the Ben and (not in this video) Locke development.
I always been curious about this original plan for some characters and enigmas; I'm not worry about answers they clearly don't have, but more about the things they actually did in the writers room and never told.
In this topic, I asume Locke was going to have that desapointing and revenge arc over Jacob and eko was going to be the chosen by the man in black to possess.
Paulo CA dude me too, what would eko have done ?
His father died in london, disagreement with writers over him flying home,, these guys are up thr own asses the end was dumb watered down with low bugdet SFX.. Id Never recommend it to anyone
I have been watching interviews to get more of an idea of what the team originally WANTED to do with the show vs what they ended up HAVING to do because of scheduling, actors leaving, writers strike (which happened in 07-08).
I've rewatched it in full, probably 6 or so times. And I am actually currently watching it. And watching a great u tuber called Lost Explained.
Point being, I've seen it all those times, and I'm still learning more. And so are others.
It is indeed Timeless '
I loved the ending 🤗
I still dont get why people dislike the ending.... the overall theme of the show is Faith v Science and in the end (season 5 and onward) they made the choice that Faith was predominant over science as there were aspects of island that we were never meantt to fully understand. In the end only Jack and Hugo and Locke got to truely learn and understand the meaning of the island. We the audience (like the rest of the cast) were treated as if we were one of the names crossed off that werent worthy of knowing.
This onesided resolution of the conflict in favor of faith was one of the most disappointing aspects of the last two seasons. They basically said "ok, we're a fantasy show now". Science vs faith should've stayed more ambiguous imo.
@@Seelof problem is theres no scientific explanation for what happened on the island. even the special relativity time travel stuff was pseudo-sciencey and wasnt accurate w/r/t actual special relativity. they couldnt really go the science route b/c it wasnt explainable using science.
@@onebuffalo5402 I'm not saying they should've put science over faith. I'm saying they should've given us the option to interpret it as science. The fact that there is something we do not understand doesn't mean it's magic. So yeah, using real world science we wouldn't have been able to explain the island in its entirety, but I guess that's where the science fiction part would've come in. However, with Jack, the science guy, going full Locke mode and the show telling us that without that weird light darkness would spread around the globe, any option of viewing the events from a science perspective is pretty much out the window. And I find that very, very disappointing. I think the best we got was that the light was somehow linked to electro-magnetism, if I remember correctly, but to me that falls into the category of "too little, too late".
@@Seelof I always kinda viewed the ending w/r/t the "keeper of island" being analogous to Samael and Gadreel. The angels that were suppose to watch over the garden of Eden before the "first sin". So in a sense the Island is the garden and Jakob/Hugo/ who ever is next has the duty of preventing the "darkness" from getting in. However Samael disobeyed God and let the darkness into the garden anyways (sort of analagous to the man in black). Grant it theres a bunch of ways to interpret the end but that just made the most sense to me.
I liked how it all ended, but i would have liked some degree of "but maybe its science". However in the end I was cool with how it went down.
@@onebuffalo5402 nah man, I'm pretty sure it's all possible. It's just really complex. Just look in daniel faraday's notebook and you'll find the answers.
Who else watched the ending of Game of Thrones and then changed their minds about the ending of Lost?
I watched the ending of Game of Thrones and changed my mind about Game of Thrones
I’m watching Lost for the second time. I have yet to find a show that sucks you in as strongly as Lost does. It’s the most binge worthy show I’ve ever seen. The 100 is the closest I’ve ever came. With that being said, I was someone that hated the last couple seasons and the ending. That’s why I want to go back and rewatch it. I’m much more open to multi universes, time travel and strange anomalies now , so I feel like I’ll appreciate it more now.
The finale was great. Period.
lost should continue with new ideas for new generation its best show I have never seen before
karim righi Hello
I agree
2:18 for mythos philosophy
It's gotta suck coming up with something like LOST and at the end of the day you don't own any of it, Disney does. lol
IF and only IF they could get the original cast together for what used to be called a 'mini series' I would love to see an offshoot dealing with their lives in the 'sideways' realm after they find each other, and what it would look like to experience living in peace as couples and as a group. Personally, I would not have hauled my ass off to the church quite so fast - but I'm assuming that they didn't and we're seeing a truncated version. Or, what happened to Kate, Sawyer, Claire, Miles and Frank when they got back. How do you explain it a second time with different people LoL.
Well the whole point of the sideways and finding each other there, was to move on. Not to “live there”
@@Xanadu424 yes but the 'sideways' and the stuff that goes on in their lives before they find each other could have been a series on its own was my point
@@AndreaKollo oh, ok. the comment implied you meant after they find each other. Which wouldn’t make sense.
I recently watched a great interview with one of the creators of the show and he explains that those sideways flashes aren’t in this timeline or this dimension, that they’re basically purgatory and that everything else from their lives before the island, getting off the island, ect, all that was real and actually happened.
Wow. I appreciated this guy for talking about the show in a way that clicked for me. The other guy, Mr. Lindelof, had me confused and a bit repelled by his arrogance and saying he didn't care what viewers thought. This guy was kinder, allowing us to engage our own imaginations as part of the enjoyment! I like that better.
You can’t be going around caring about what the audience thinks all the time because you can’t please everyone. So what!? It’s not about you. They don’t know you exist. They’re creators, not customer service representatives
Lindelof wanted and originally planned for 3 seasons but the studio forced them into doing 6
@@Pupeyes They are *content providers* and thus should only be satisfied with their work *provided* I am *content* with it!
Oh, and as far as "this guy" and his attitude, you can certainly tell that "this guy" was behind the joyously entertaining "Advs. of Brisco County Jr. The Orb storyline of that series plays out like a dry run for a more light-hearted, fantasy-filled version of LOST.
I was watching carlton talking about mr, eko back then and he said since the beginning they knew the actor wasnt going to stay for too long and now they tell us the truth that they were very disapointed by the actor decision to leave the show and that was a huge problem and made them rewrite a huge chunk of the third season. when a guy lies that naturally its hard to believe anything he says.
It’s called being professional - you don’t publicly throw your talent under the bus because they resign from the production
I would love to be the guy who Disney hires to carry on the legacy of Lost! I love the show, was inspired by it, and believe I could write a satisfying sequel story that would work within the mythology, but also recontextualize the original series!
Cool! How?
Now I want to know what your basic idea is!!
People still think LOST is fantasy. Little do they know, it's actually science fiction. Think about it
It's a mix of science fiction and supernatural so we can't have the truth about the heart of the island and the black smoke. We can only speculate it just like how we speculate the events in the bible.
Oh yeah! Who were the people on the outrigger???
I thought they'd answer that in the final season.
5 years later and still nothing. This video makes me sad. We want a continuation Disney!
The story was told. It’s OK for it to end. Though they could do a spin-off where Hurley and Ben bring guests to the Island to work through their baggage while living out their fantasies. Ben could even shout Da Plane Da Plane at the start of each episode
@@jasonreynolds6643 much better spinoff is what happened on the island during the times the Romans and Egyptians were there, lots of monuments were built by the Egyptians, they clearly had interactions with Jacob and of course MIB, pre and post Mother's death.
@@magnificcenTCG But nothing was accomplished in the overall narrative during their time. They didn't end the conflict between Jacob and MiB. Seeing them build the monuments would be watching them construct monuments we already knew about.
@jasonreynolds6643 the star wars prequel movies didn't end the conflict between the sith and jedi, doesn't mean there isn't tons of story to be told about ancient events that occurred on the island.
@@magnificcenTCG That's a bit of a stretch. Beyond the Sea is the LOST equivalent of the Prequels. It set up all of the important stuff we needed for the rest of the show. That makes an Egyptian show the equivalent of the Obi Wan Kenobi show that just exists to milk fans. Star Wars has convinced me that it is good to let franchises end and not milk them into oblivion.
I didn't mind the finale, it was fine. What I did mind was all the silly shit that happened after season 3 with the time travel and the Jacob. That didn't work for me. Imagina how amazing it would have been if the ending of season 3 was the finale. "Kate, we gave to go back!", the end.
nuncaleite Ive said the EXACT same thing to a lot of people. Although, I could also see a season 4, with some of things that happened in the following 3 seasons to tie things together. 4 seasons would have been perfect. IMO.
Season 5 was jumping the shark with the time travel storyline.
Season 6 strayed way off course from every other season.
Season 4 and 5 are the best seasons though
I think the problem with ending the series after jacks line about going back is that it leaves too much ambiguity of what happened. Did everyone get off? Why does jack want to go back? What happened to jack and kates relationship? Whose casket did Jack visit at the viewing? Etc etc
@@benmascioli1133 yeah some changes would have to have been made to the flashforward season, like who was in the casket. but the rest, the fact he doesnt know if they got off and had to live the rest of his life not knowing is the reason he couldn't adapt back into the world, their lie was killing him and he couldn't cope. it destroyed him. 'we have to go back'.
Nine times out of 10 the people I talk to that didn't like the finale didn't understand the ending. Once you explain what really happen and they get, they get it and they like it.
Nah it was shit, and a massive cop out, but not their fault, was the networks.
No the show was just going downwards after season 2. It had nothing to do with 'understanding'. It wasn't that smart. It was plain horribly written.
@@mysteryhombre81 How was it a cop out?
@@lordseaworth6055 The best episodes in the show are in the latter half of season 3 so you clearly know nothing.
@@DrunkAtheist This makes no sense. I've seen it all. I Enjoyed it back in the day but doesn't mean i have to like it. It is what it is.
German serie "Dark" comes very close to it.
Not even close, Dark has good mystery things but characters in this show are awful.
There were SO many ways to end the series so, for a lot of us, I think it was just a bit lazy. Like the "it was all just a dream" cliche. But the first 3 seasons were fantastic. It rarely gets the credit it should for proving you could do a show that wasn't spoon-fed crap, as CC said.
Hated the ending so much I've yet to look back on the series. Feels weird that it's been a decade though.
Loved the series. Up until the two last episodes which were really bad. And I think he knows it.
Here's the answer: They did make a great show until season 6. As an aspiring writer, I found the first five seasons of the show extremely educating and entertaining, regarding the basics of writing. However, as it got bigger and bigger the materials of the show became too larger than life and too scattered for the writers to control and connect, and whatever logic they are trying to put forward now are mere efforts to defend themselves. Granted, they tried their best to make some sense out of the finale, but it didn't work.
Veni Taua Thanks mate!
I could fix that, in a sequel story I have figured out a way to make season six great, and fill in all the loose ends. Hire me ABC!!!
it annoyed me totally, that the island story was interrupted every few minutes with that bullsh. alternative life, that was in my opinion only timestretching, lousy written, implausible and boring. They refused to give answers, bc, they had none and if, they would blame themselves. In some interviews, even the cast had no idea or understanding what was it about.My only senseful explanation was, the au was a dying dream of jack. It was not the church scene, how it ended, but the island, where jack closed his eyes and died, after he saw the plane leaving.
It worked to me
It was actually absolutely perfect (imo at least). You just didn't get what the writers were trying to achieve or what the show was really about I guess. Let me try to explain it:
Jacob's main goal was to find someone suitable to replace him. But another goal of his was to create a "game" - a game that brings troubled, flawed and lost people together on the island. He wanted these people to find themselves, to connect with each other, to help each other grow and move on from their past and regrets. He wanted to prove that no matter who the people used to be or what they had done before stepping on the island, they are capable of letting go and moving on, because by nature he believes them to be good (while his brother thinks exactly the opposite and Jacob wants to prove him wrong). And by spending time with each other, the people on the island overcome their biggest flaws, find themselves, and also find peace. They are not *lost* anymore.
The explosion that Jack, Kate and the rest of them caused in 1977 does NOT create an alternative timeline. And everything that happened since that plane which actually manages to land in LA is not real. It is a place created by the characters after they die, so they can all meet, remember and move on. For example, at the end of the series when Jack closes his eye he dies and that's when his journey in the Flash Sideways begins. And when all of the characters have died at their own time, all of them meet in this Flash Sideways place (in this place time is not as it is in the Island and on Earth, so they don't have to wait for years or decades for the rest of them to arrive, it is as if everything is happening at the same time for everyone) so they can finally let go and move on to the afterlife together, because they have to move on with the people who really affected them during their lifetime.
So what the show really was about was the characters, their development and their relationships and connections with each other. When they stepped on the Island they were *lost* , literally and spiritually, but in the end, they manage to find themselves, each other and peace. The Island was just an environment that gave them the opportunity to find what they were looking for.
It sucks when you care more about a show than the writers do but I give them the benefit of the doubt. (I wouldn't be able to write anything as good as Lost) The show was on for too many years and it should have either had a concise idea of an end when they started, or enough episodes to tie everything up. During the pilot they were gonna kill Jack and they only wanted Ben for a couple episodes! Didn't care enough to bring Eko back, or even Walt. There was no way they would have been able to tie up all the loose ends they created and I'm sure they made enough money by season three or four to say "well whatever"
I was mad the first time I watched it cause it seemed like they wrote themselves into a corner and copped out with "oh they were just dead the whole time" but they knew what they were doing. The end causes you to think and that's what I think everyones problem is. 80% of the world are not as smart as these writers are and most would rather things be explained to them than try and figure it out on their own.
Art is discernible in many different ways and that's what makes it art. You look at a Pollock painting and say "yeah I could do that" but you didn't, right? It meant something to the artist and means something different to the viewer. Thats why you can write a song say for one particular reason and have 50 thousand people sing it back to you for 50 thousand different reasons.
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The ending wasn’t the problem. It was the array of questions that never went answered
they answered most of the questions.
@@M4ke4l oh really? You think they answered where the island came from? Who build the Taweret statue? Who were the people in the cave? Whats the deal with Jacks father? Why pregant women cant give birth on the island? Why are the ghosts stuck on the island? Who build the temple? and thats just some on the top of my head
@@joseph10171 So in regards the island, the showrunners once stated the island is like "the force" in SW, nobody really knows what it is other than its really important in the SW universe, its intentionally left up to interpreation. The Taweret statue was obviously built by the Egyptians. The people in the cave? you mean the skeletons Locke called 'adam and eve', it was Mother and MIB, that was explained in "across the sea". Jack's father was being impersonated by the smoke monster,, he impersonated many dead people to manipulate, and he also at times were some of the whispers (confirmed by showrunners). Women cant give birth because of the electromagnetic properties of the island. The temple was likely built by the Egyptians, just like the other monuments as there are Hieroglyphics on the walls. The ghosts stuck on the island are those who are not ready to move on yet, still internal stuggles they can't let go of, but they can be helped. Like Michael was likely helped by Hurley and Walt when Walt takes over. Most of these we fairly easy to answer, you clearly did not watch the show close enough.
The longer it went on the more disappointing the ending was going to be.
Please consider the networks affect on that
@@cheyenne3882
I have taken the network into account. Did you like the ending?
It's long gone now but people still use this series as a warning sign. When you come across a series that you like and you've invested a lot of time in you hope and pray they don't do a Lost.
Eventually the pattern of answering a question with an answer that creates even more questions collapses in on itself and leaves people feeling let down.
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I love the show, especially the first 2 or 3 seasons, but it's weird how he's so dismissive of fans that disliked the finale. He clearly values his awards and award nominations much more than the audience. It's almost as if the audience is an inconvenience to him.
He didn't come off as dismissive to me. He is probably right that it would be impossible to write a finale that would please everyone, and he defends the version they chose by pointing out that it received critical acclaim.
@@ericdaniel323 There is a difference between not being able to please everyone and fucking it up for 80% of the fanbase.
I can’t believe people are still asking about the outrigger and the guy Sayid shot on the golf course...who cares!
Lots of people care.
Not like living in Hawaii, First world problems for reall.
#Lost #The100 #TWD #DeathRowSeries
The more I think about Lost the worse it is. I can’t think of any show that year on year just keeps sliding down the list in different ways. They acted like they had this show figured out but there are no references to candidates before the fifth season. The reason the show’s ending was so poorly received was like most JJ stuff it was terrible, cardboard characters, living different TV shows every week, and the show needed to make a choice eventually about what it was. Was it Kate’s awful Crime Drama, Jack’s Medical Drama? Rewatching the show is painful with how much garbage they filled the show up with.
If you really think the likes of John Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, Ben, Desmond and so many others are cardboard characters then I have to question if you even watched the same show I did. Sone of the best character development I’ve ever seen on a network tv show.
Also, using JJ Abrams to criticise Lost makes no sense because he had basically no creative input into the show after the pilot episode. It was all Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse.
Excelent!, by
the way FIRST! hahaha
+Oliver Henaine And for 2 months the only one.
+Hanan Awan I feel important. hahaha
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quick tl;dr .... lost got lost....we won't say it directly but we didn't know what to do...
Who doesnt want to live in Hawaii?
Still trying to gaslight, I see.
Not willing to talk about the ending is a cop out. If you can't answer the questions it's because you couldn't figure it out yourself. Chicken crap.
That's nonsense IMHO. The entire 6 years was about how LOST resonated with YOU personally. The characters journeys were all personal as well with each one having a path to follow, things to learn etc. Whatever the show meant to you is what it was. That good story telling and if you paid attention, many of the important questions were answered but sometimes, in just a few words. Sawyer to Juliet - "maybe what caused it ain't happened yet." and so many more simple lines that explained things.
@@AndreaKollo Tony Soprano got shot at the end.
It’s understandable that he wouldn’t, you basically don’t want to expose yourself to a discussion like that and creatives haven’t regardless of how their work was received
Nobody wants another William Shatner/Star Trek fanbase situation
It looks like half of the Lost narrative problems are tied to problematic production: showrunners wanted to make 3 seasons and their bosses wanted 10, they've write an interesting story arc, but the actor won't be willing to continue filming, they've wanted things one way, but budgetary restriction, writers guild strike or something else would got in the way. Lost could be s wonderful show if it was 3-season pre-planned series, not that semi-improvised story about who knows what.
Except Damon Lindelof has explained the ending in other interviews. No, they weren’t dead the whole time.
Intentional ambiguity? Ha, so they admit my theory eventually.
His point about the ending is bs, because its not an issue of interpretation as much a matter of shitty writing.
shit ending. too many unanswered questions
Like?
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+Gusto Trankin You got to be joking. That was explained in season 3.
None that matter. If you still have questions then you just didn't understand. Not the shows fault...
Explaining what the smoke monster was, one of the central ongoing mysteries of the show, doesn't matter?
Everyone involved in any TV show or any movie always says the cast is great and all of the actors are great. THEY ARE NOT! They couldn’t be. It’s very unlikely. Another piece of bullshit they always spout is that they are “ family”. RIDICULOUS!
I enjoyed Lost but it’s long over. Let it go.
why are his teeth cgi?
Im sorry but the ending was very lazy written and its a shame. Do better. I learned to love it (series finale) cuz LOST is my favorite & its the only ending we have 🥲