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- Looking for an extreme high-end high-quality audiophile speaker cable BUT don't want to spend a fortune or DIY? Maybe we have the solution!
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ATTENTION: These were reported by me as being made of OCC copper. They are not, probably OFC. Here is a link to the final results: ruclips.net/video/XVLR9EuCkgo/видео.htmlsi=Jmq4NVJlSMV61ZR0
OFC is quite different to OCC. OFC is thrown around fairly freely these days, OCC is a certified process for aligning the grain of the copper.
@@EsotericArctos that is why we are all scandalized!
I am from Argentina. I have a home recording studio where I record local musicians. Of course I am a fan of music and good sound. And besides that, I study English, and watching your videos really help me a lot to learn, since you speak with a perfect slow cadence to listen well to each word. Greetings from Argentina.
Thank you for the video
Hey great video, love cable reviews, cables are hard to judge unless experienced reviewers can give their honest feedback. I had great improvements with speaker cables from Roberson Audio cables in Australia.
These are great cables. I have used bulk bought but i have to say these are difficult to work with. Very thick and strong. Hard to terminate because of it. They do make a difference to sounstage depth for sure. They also thickened the midrange and added bass power compared to other cables i have used. Also, i believe these are 8 AWG.
I have a high-end Dolby Atmos setup and I just like to say the more cables I shield the quieter my room becomes. In fact the last group of cables I shielded just happened to be my HDMIs and lo and behold my room became quieter again.
It's now got to a stage and please Iam not exaggerating here.. sonically speaking sometimes I can't tell the difference whether my system is switched off or if it's actually switched on but just on pause. Oh yeah 🥳
sei il numero 1 👍 saluti dall'italia
What timing. I was looking to see if there was anything that might compete with the DIY Ramm Amedeus. I'll check this one out. Another one that is on my short list is the Lavricable- pure OCC silver in Teflon litz weave with DIY option to boot, and made in your part of the woods. Please consider a review of the Lavricable.
Nice! Seems a correct combination!
Thank you, i have learned a lot from your channel and also save a lot money.
First i want to buy Cardas Cables (Clear Reflection) for my Dynaudio Special 40 with a modified Crossover from GR-Research (Mundorf and Duelund Capacitors).
Now becuase of your Video i decidet to buy the Neotech NEMOS 1080 with OCC Silver and Oyaide Spades.
It was the right choice.
Would be interested in how it compares to Cardas.
@@techrider2088
The Cardas Clear Reflection is very center weighted.
Highs are a bit recessed and rolled off at the top end.
Bass is strong, but also a bit bloated and musty.
The Neotech is very high-resolution without being annoying.
Things you never heard before, or missed, now come to the fore.
Timbre and air around the instruments are phenomenal.
The midrange is on the warmer side, but not as much as the Cardas.
Bass is not as bloated as the Cardas, but more precise and it seems to go down deeper.
Imaging performance seems to be the same with both cables.
Interesting. Thanks for your thoughts. I’ve liked Cardas for a long time and still is one cable I use because if it’s midrange. Some cables are more extended and open, but I’ve come back to Cardas for certain qualities it excellent at. I had a pair of Special 40s for a year. I think a cable like the Neotech may match the Special 40 well.
Thank YOU! The Nemos always attracted me with its square section but it seems a nightmare to properly solder. If that doesn't stop you go for it! I am currently using their square interconnects which I will present further ahead along with other sharing cables.
@@mariocassar3117 or double blind.
I bought speaker cables from blue jean cable. Very happy with them
Glad to hear that. May I ask what high quality cables have you tried? In other words "amazing" compared ro what?
I got some Amazon prime basic cables, exactly the same.
@@anadialog I also replaced some higher-end cables with the Blue Jean cables while expanding my system. The BJ cables aren't as pretty, but the build quality is very good. Canare 4S11 wire and terminals are sonically-welded. The star-quad profile is great for rejecting EMI that is common in apartment buildings.
For those of you who are not not interested in constructing your own speaker cables, may I suggest the Synergistic Research Foundation series. I purchased their interconnects and speaker cables at a very reasonable price and I can only say I am stunned at the remarkable positive changes they have made in my music system. The speaker cables are not heavy gauge, yet they are stunning in the way they reproduce the sound of recorded music.
I checked the website. Impressive silver cables of all types and very very expensive. The foundation does have a very good price but it's also true that there isn't much silver in them, very skinny, that's way. But they are monocrystall (like OCC) and seem quite interesting. Thanks for sharing that!
@@anadialog these are cables that you need to hear to believe. It took them two or three months to come to themselves because the sound just got better and better every day. Check out Jonathan Vailins reviews. I trust everything he says.
"Isolation is paramount"
When I researched the "dielectric constant" .
There is materials that is better than PTFE . Like cotton and air.
So for my DIY speaker cables I used pure dead soft solid silver conductor.
And a cotton tubing.. and more..
Now we talking about best of the best materials.
Silver is pricey but I can't dream what the retail price would be if someone would do that type of cable.. but now it is one of the kind.
The great thing with DIY we can use better quality materials than manufacturers is using.
@@stimpy1226 they changed daily, so they could have peaked and are now getting worse. If they can improve, then surely they can get worse ! Why do you trust him ? If he said jump in front of a car it won't hurt, would you do it.
well i just did speaker cables today not that expensive Cable made in japan Canare premium speaker cable we hand-assemble with Canare 4S11, 11 AWG Star Quad cable with Banana speaker connectors in a bi-wire configuration. Starquad cable virtually eliminates EMI while offering minimum resistance and excellent frequency response due to low capacitance. I went from 4awg OFC Great video thanks
starquad is only effective with speakon connectors, running it into bananas isn't what it's designed for. 4s11 is good cable but if you put it in 2+2 shotgun 11awg configuration you end up with very high capacitance. with it in biwire configuration you end up with an average 14awg cable, you'd be better off running it in shotgun and making binding post links in 11awg config or just running 4x11awg cables
Have you ever tried the Western Electric WE16GA cost is around 300.00 tinned cooper?
I suggest you give Audio Sensibility OCC wires a try/review.
You aren't the first to recommend them! Definitely on my radar!
Lots of audiophiles have cables and headphones galore. It is a good idea to re-visit some of the things you had in your system, years ago, many upgrades ago, before you went to something else. Like if you bought a new preamp, try some interconnects you used in the past, go down your cellar or into the back of your closet and dig them out. Even if you were convinced that replacing them made an improvement back then. There is the synergy thing involved; but also your maturity as a listener. The sound that you thought was lacking, might have been more right sounding than you thought. Violin strings, especially massed strings, dont have edginess to their sound. The upper keys on a piano either. They plink, but don't ever have an edgy outline in real life. Sometimes you find you've been using the wrong amp for years; that what you were using years before, now and in the cellar or closet, that you didn't give enough credit too. Don't let forum reviews keep you from going back. It's unbelievable how many of those people cannot hear.
I had an instance of this yesterday. I was using an old pair of 1990s Grado headphones for quite a while, for my headphone listening. On a whim I set them aside, and plugged in a pair of even older Koss headphones. There's no way for the Koss I thought. The Grados were open back, and the Koss were closed back. Within seconds I couldn't believe how brighter the Koss phones were. A lot of people say Grados are bright, but they sounded absolutely conservative compared to the Koss. Even though the highs were bright as can be, the highs were super clean. The Koss has a piezoelectric tweeter. So clean were the highs that I welcomed their extra brilliance. The cymbals sounded so full, but not sizzly. Crisp but smooth The sizzle in lesser phones occurs from distortion. I think people would prefer a lot more high end, if it was this clean. People who don't like bright treble; really what they don't like is bright+distortion. Than can result in unpleasantness and fatigue. But when it's this clean. The treble was more extended too and revealed the Grados to be rolled off in the extreme highs. The Grados had more bass and massed strings sounded bigger, and instruments had a bit more space between them. But the Koss was cleaner in the midrange and highs; very obviously. Oh those deeper tone colors!
A lot of us know that more warmth can make instruments sound bigger and like they have more body. But more extended treble can make instruments sound bigger too; I realized. Yet some instruments sounded bigger on the Grados and some on the Koss for some strange reason. I didn't think it would be a contest between the two. It was. It just goes to show that actually listening in the now, beats memory from the past Memories of how you though something sounded. Once I brought up an amplifier from the cellar that I hadn't used for years. With admittedly different equipment being in use now, it trounced the amplifier I had been using for a long time. So much nicer sounding and enjoyable. I think when we upgrade, our bias is to hear improvements for the money we've spent. It's sometimes good to go back. Sometimes we surprisingly find that the equip. we were using in the past, is better than what we are using now. After several upgrades; or so we thought.
Good advice, I agree! I lived something similar with my headphones: ruclips.net/video/zRRgWBapJ0E/видео.html
Don't waste your time, just listen to music !
Grado s are transparent not bright. No matter what series
Zavfino NOVA OCC seems like a really good value as well. I am torn between this snd the Ramm cable.
Nice video… make a test of the David Laboga cables please…. It seems to be great as far as I heard. I ordered cinch cables for my cd-player to test it against the micro air InAkustik, that are really good
Thanks. They aren't OCC and IMO it's just not worth it.
Hello sir from Philadelphia. Have you ever listened to the Unison Research triode 25? Its made in Italy and looks stunning. Thanks.
I haven't! But it's an AB amp. On paper not my piece of cake...but maybe in the future...
I use RAM Amedeus 5 Mk2 OCC copper speaker cables replacing some 20 year old Van Den Hul 'The Wind' cables, which was a massive step up in sound quality, especially in mid range detail & bass response. Priced at 50 Euros/meter offer good value. Home made as you did but with rhodium plate locking banana plugs amp end and gold plate spades speaker end, 4 separate runs from 4 mono-block amps bi-amping the speakers. These take a lot patience to assemble, as you found out. Have you taken a look at the DH-Labs Silver Sonic Q-10 Signature Speaker cable for DIY? I was considering these as well. Silver plate high purity copper at a very reasonable price for the DIYer. I use one of their silver interconnect cables from bulk and they are on par with some DIY Cardas solid silver interconnects (4 runs of 24g solid silver through PTFE tubing, twisted together, wrapped in silk tubing then heatshrink over the top). Also another tip is to use 4 or even 6 x Mundorf 0.5mm through PTFE tubing, twisted together, silk tubing then heatshrink. You don't have to spend a fortune to get excellent results.
Nice! I tend to exclude metal mixes, the have different electrical properties which disturb one another. The Cardas seem the right combination!
I did the RAMM speaker cable project myself as well, exact copy of the video with spades, still very happy about them. This is when I realized how much cables matter
HI Guido! Thank you for another informative video. That cable looks very stiff. Can you still route it down from an amplifier, under a cabinet, snake it around a table and then directly to the speaker with ease and without it looking ugly?
Good question. The answer is no. These are solid core conductors (the best) not litz wire so it is hard to make them do a lot of turns. I manage to make them go through my cabinet and to my speakers but they can't do a tight turn.
Yes, these are fairly stiff cables. But worth it for the sound.
Excellent review as always.
I am currently using Amadeus5 Mk2, do you think it is worth upgrading to Neotech? Thanks.
For the full price? Probably not. A true leap would probably be OCC silver. A lot of people here are recommending some silver cables that seem promising but you never know. In any case, if you feel like upgrading or looking in the used market just look for OCC copper and teflon insulation. Can't go wrong!
@@anadialog I was using Ramm audio elite8 interconnect and changed to NEI 3001 and extremely happy with the change. Elite8 is too sharp and less defined low frequency. 3001 is more natural and soft sounding with wider soundstage compared to elite8. Also changed Audioquest carbon coaxial to NEVD 1001 and the change is positive with clean and accurate sounding with wider soundstage.
Mapleshade Double Helix Plus will be a HUGE upgrade over all those cables.
I have a pair of Grant Lumley OHNO OCC silver 4m pair. I dread to think what the cost of these would be now as they are a from the late 80's so more than burned in. They are the best I've heard I know poor quality silver can sound pretty bad but in my all tube system these are wonderful occ silver continuous cast speaker cables are a sublime synergy and I'd guess the cost would be even more than the Neotech silver perhaps because they are solid silver ohno. I do like silver plated occ copper too but ultimately, they can't compete with ohno silver occ in my opinion.
Can't go wrong with OCC silver...Congrats!
Where did you purchase a prebuilt nes-3001 speaker cable? Everything show DIY options but not a prebuilt cable. Thank you.
True, it's a bulk cable. I managed to get a pair at audiophonics.fr
Neotech occ bulk wires are very good; I use them to built IC cables in silver and copper. Not suprised that their speaker cables are very good.
What is the difference in sound between silver and copper?
@@karl-erikmoberg5668 I started with balanced ic with copper and then rca ic with silver both with multistand 24 avg wires. Moreover I used different connectors. So It is difficult to make a direct comparaison.
@@benitoben6357 Hi, I have not done direct comparisons either, with same cable architecture.
But I have done it with connectors, copper more lively, silver more smooth.
@@karl-erikmoberg5668 I'm more familiar with this in terms of interconnects rather than speaker cables. With silver interconnects, in general, there is more weight and extension at both top and bottom, and maybe more detail, but the midrange may seem slightly recessed compared to copper, for a sound that is more on the cool side than the warm side. That's a generalization -- maybe an over-generalization.
How do these compare with the Ludic cables you recommended last year?
I never recommended LUDIC speaker cables, just their power cable, the Aesir.
Where can I find ready-to-plug version in the US? Their distribution network seems like a whole sale one.
Apparently they are the official distributor for the US: www.harmonictech.com/products/speaker-cables/
But I would try ro contact Neotech directly and I am sure they will help you. In Europe you can get them on Audiophonics.
so what speaker cables are you recommending these days?
i’m getting my new system tomorrow and currently use some cheaper monoprice speaker cables.
would love to upgrade to some nicer cables if you have any suggestions? sounds like these cables in the video weren’t what you thought they were?
ever had any experience with blue jeans cables?
appreciate the help!
What kind of speakers and budget? Answer in new comment
@@anadialog i’ll have the borresen x3 and axxess forte 2. certainly not trying to spend thousands on speaker cable!
I have replaced all my cable with SKW and I agree that for the money they are hard to beat. My speaker cables are said to be 6 nines pure copper.
Sweet!
I picked up the SKW WG copper and silver. They work extremely well with my set up. Although I may audition some Audio Research cables.
How do you know they are six nines ? And does it make a difference ? Could five nines sound better ?
@@jamienaquin3918 You're talking about the SKW top of the line cables, right? The ones that have OCC Silver and Copper? I plan to buy some soon but I worry that since they're from China, they might not contain real OCC wire. What did the SKW replace, and was there an improvement?
@Dexter's Kill Room Honestly, I was using a basic cable from Besr Buy. However, they seem very high quality as do their other cables. Very good reviews. I hear a much more detailed sound w better dynamics, soundstage, openness, clarity, retc. Well worth the investment. Takes a few hours before breaking in. Buy them on Amazon like I did for the easier return.
Informative as always! I would love for you to revisit the power strip video you did long ago. One finds lots of information on power filters but almost nothing on straightforward power distribution :(
Thanks! Did you see my video on power strips/distributors? ruclips.net/video/9l_Zt9BDRdU/видео.html
@@anadialog I did, that's why I said it would be nice to revisit it... In the end you mention DIY solutions, the wireworld matrix and some alternatives for a another video but I think there's no follow up? I only found your channel recently, so apologies if I haven't seen that one yet. The problem I'm having is that I don't know enough to build one from scratch, or there are no photos of the insides or they are filtered. The only one I've seen that fits your recommendations is from Audiophonics and goes for over €400!
Thanks for sharing. Have you tried LUDIC Magica? I plan to buy them. second option is the cable you are holding😉
These cables are shielded, and shielding speaker cables can have quite serious drawbacks while it doesn't provide obvious benefits. Very few are shielded. In short, these cables could actually be bad for the signal. Perhaps Ludic managed to find a solution, I am actually curious. Ludic is discussed elsewhere on this channel - my take is that quality is pretty good, I have one of their power cables, and that one is perfectly fine, and price is great too - but the company may well be nothing more than a mail box with a big undisclosed manufacturer behind it. I could be wrong, but the company isn't transparent for sure.
As you know I love the power cord but the speaker cables even though they are OCC they don't have teflon insulation. That is the game changer along with OCC metals.
@@anadialog thanks. I understand 😉😁🙏
@@alphaniner3770 it is assumed that the shielding has a positive behavior in the electrical transmitted signal. I have the power cable too end is real good.
@@billrentas shielding for power cables is a different story - there it makes sense. For speaker cables shielding is generally a bad idea.
Edit: and shielding never has a positive effect on the signal - it can only protect it, or equipment around the cable - never enhance the signal. I think that you can find useful info about this on the British Audiophile channel.
So far there's no cable doubters with their blind listening test rigamarole. Surprising; but it's early. I have owned about 30 different cables in the last 3 decades, from about 23 different manufacturers. I am amazed at the difference a wire can make. There is often just as much difference as between component upgrades. If you have a good pair of headphones, you can see how good your sound quality is by plugging it into your integrated amp. If it has an input. That will show you how good your sound is up to that point, before your sound is degraded some by your speaker cables. Even the best cables degrade the sound a bit. The trick is to get cables that foul the sound the least. I live in America, I never realized how many of my cables are made in Europe. As far as American cables; some of the best cables are coming out of Texas; but then again Texas is known for it's snakes. LOL. Crimson Music Link and Purist Audio, to name just a few. Each cable has their own distinct personality. No less than if you have children; how they all have their unique personality. Each one gives a different take on the music. Silver is purer sounding than copper, but there are some very fine copper cables. A copper cable done well can beat a silver cable overall, if the silver cable is not done as well. You really have to know what you are doing. There are even a few companies using graphene as a conductor, which some say is even purer sounding and a better conductor than silver.
One of the best audio accessory companies in the US is Mapleshade Audio. It's founder, Pierre Sprey, who formerly designed military fighter jets, says that speaker wire connectors degrade the sound quality by about 5%. He says bare wire is best. Getting speaker cables off the floor he also recommends; and it is a great recommendation. Probably the one main cables I have not tried is Nordost. I've been through just about everything else that is real well known, and some that are not well known cables. Single crystal cable impresses me with it's purity of sound. Thicker cables always sound more beefy in the bass in my experience. The one untrue myth about speaker cables to me, is that they change their characteristics depending on what they're connected to. No. The combination of the cables sound and the new things sound they are connected to accounts for the different flavor. I find that the particular sonic characteristic of cables remain very consistent, no matter what they are connected to. They are not a Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde... Interconnects can make as big a difference as speaker cables. If you only have one great interconnect cable, maybe because of cost, and you have to make a decision where to use it in your system; try it closest to the source first. Then try it between preamp and power amp next. Whatever sound quality you lose, coming from the source, can never be regained no matter how good your amps or speakers are.
Thanks for sharing your interesting experience. As explained in another video I made I think that lower quality gear benefits much more from quality cables. The changes are dramatic, in high-end gear thebimpact decreases because, I believe, the quality of the gear preserves or degrades less the signal. Nordstrom was actually my first love. I remember a pair of Heimdall interconnects that blew my crappy system out of the water.
Look into Driade Flow Cables
Ciao Guido! Stai ancora usando questo cavo? Io fino a poco fa avevo i Ramm, poi ho voluto provare i Duelund in configurazione 12-16-16. Li trovo decisamente superiori ai Ramm in quanto a dettaglio e apertura sul medio alto, ma sul mio sistema si sono alleggeriti troppo i bassi e la dinamica ne risente. Stavo pensando ai Neotech ma non so se c’è di meglio salendo magari un po’, ma non troppo, di prezzo
Purtroppo no perché avevo bisogno di questi per i diffusori che uso adesso: ruclips.net/video/rHhWuRdGDZI/видео.htmlsi=2Evgt484lin46dum
Per diffusori normali se puoi salire a dei neotech in puro argento occ penso che non ci possa essere di meglio!
@@anadialog ok grazie. Purtroppo il mio sistema è ben lontano dall’alta efficienza e credo avrei bisogno di diametri proibitivi per costo se andassi sull’argento
Over the decades, if had the opportunity to try a lot of different wire. There’s no doubt in my mind there’s a sonic impact and it’s backed up by real science.
The underlying issue with speaker cable is that it has a complex impedance relationship with the loudspeaker’s reactive load.
Some speakers with fairly flat impedance tend to be less reactive with wire. Speakers with large dips at low frequencies tend to be impacted more.
Galen Garies from Belden has written comprehensive explanations why the info above is true and has shown measurements. Similarly, Nelson Pass has written on the subject.
Also, some amplifiers react poorly to high capacitance cables.
Maybe uou can find this of your interest: ruclips.net/video/z-48th1gS2U/видео.html
I enjoy your channel. FYI, SKW describes that model of their cable as 6N copper, not 4. Perhaps you're confusing that model with their entry level product. I have this model of SKW. It compares favorably with other single crystal, 6N copper speaker cables and interconnects I've used.
Yes, I got mixed up. Thanks for pointing that out. I did a video which greatly contributed to their success here: ruclips.net/video/2rjOdEuFe88/видео.html
Finally my last video is on their occ copper, fake or real? ruclips.net/video/1iAytMuWeds/видео.html
@@anadialog Yes, I saw that video and enjoyed it. I first bought 6N OCC cables about 25 years ago from a company still around today. They immediately made a nice difference. Since the price of 6N OCC copper has become relatively cheaper, it makes no sense to create a cable that is as well-built as SKW's only to fake a relatively inexpensive part, which is the copper. It's the shielding, jacketing, filters and terminations plus the labor to make it that adds real cost. Of course that's less true with solid silver cables, which I also own. Keep fighting the good fight for the rest of us audiophiles that are always trying to learn. You're one of the good ones.
The problem is that SKW gives no proof that this is OCC single crystal copper they certainly don't have the machinery to make this wire only two companies I know of have that now Neotech in Taiwan and one other company in Japan China does not have OCC single crystal wire and this guy does not know what he's talking about He's full of BS. I've asked him time and time again to give the proof that this is OCC single crystal wire and time and time again he's offered no proof.
Sorry to be an idiot but when you say the speaker cable ID will appear in the comments below, or when you point to the upper right corner of your video for a link, I never see this information, where is it hiding?
No, it's a good question! Unfortunately it depends from the settings of your browser. That is why NOW I put all links also in the video description in order of reference.
What will your rate the skw if noetech are 9?
I said that in the video! :-) SkW 7, Ramm Amadeus 8/8.5, Neotech. 9/9.5
Hi, can you tell me the name of this speaker cable plis. 😊
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😊Why there is no shieldimg on your NeoTech Cable!! Just only one Nylon Jacket sleeve
Hey, I just purchased these in bulk, can't wait to get it started. I have a question on how to wire these though. It looks like there are 4 clear wire conductors as well as 6 red and 6 blue. I understand you just need to twist up the red with the red and blue with the blue, but what do you do with these 4 clear conductors? I read that you're suppose to twist 1 clear conductor with the red wires and 3 clear conductors with the blue wire. But how do you know if it's the same clear wire on the other end? Would be great if you could let me know.
Here are the mounting instructions recommended by Neotech:
Positive: 6x red + 1x transparent conductor
Negative: 6x blue + 3x transparent conductors
To know which is which you are going to need a multimeter to measure the voltage. That's the only way.
@@anadialog So, I just got the cables, there are no markers or arrows indicating direction. How do I know which direction the signal is suppose to go?
@@johenkay1129if there is no direction it means that in this cable it is irrelevant. It becomes relevant if you connect the shield only on one side go avoid hum, typically the source.
@@anadialog Thank you.
When i made mine i just traced the clear cable from the twisted red side using my thumb as i twisted the cable. I marked the clear at the other end and made sure that was the one i twisted with red at that end as well. By the way, i read after i made mine that you are supposed to leave the clear at one end on the red side not connected as it acts noise drain. I haven't done that so can't comment on any difference it would make.
Have you ever used cardas cables from the US? If so, what's your take on them?
I haven't but Cardas makes great quality stuff! I have some things like short caps, soldering wire and I think some connectors.
If you into DIY I highly recommend using their solid silver for making interconnects (see my other comment).
@Johnny G I certainly will look into it! I'm completing making a phono cable with din plug?
I have Belden Iconoclast and Cardas Clear Beyond. Both are impressive but overall I prefer the Cardas in my system (Focal Scala Evo’s)
Triode Wire Labs. Amazing cables and a great value.
Some seem nice but they don't declare what they are using in the speaker cables...🤔
@@anadialog Western Electric copper.
Forza A W cables matter. Best, D.
Blue Jeans cables make a very high quality and well constucted cable for a reasonable price. i have bought several pair. they are made to order for your application
Insulation can be a problem.
Air has a low dielectric value.
Some materials are high to very high value. So the problem now becomes very obvious.
When you get your source and amps way up there in sound; in my experience speakers with woofers and tweeters don't differ all that much in clarity usually. They differ in other performance parameters more; but not clarity so much. When they do differ in clarity by a great deal; it is usually due to elevated frequencies somewhere. Giving that false illusion. However a speaker that is inherently cleaner sounding than usual smooths out a lot of the deficiencies before it in the chain. A really clean speaker whose drivers have very low distortion can make the rest of your system sound better than it is. But if what is before it in the chain lacks refinement to a certain extent; you'll hear it. No matter how clean your speaker is. Now if you put most of your money into your speakers, and what is before it in the chain, was little more than an afterthought, you will not have good sound. If your source, amps and cables are good, virtually any halfway competent speaker will give you a good sound. Even cheap ones. So giving more priority to your source and preamp might not be as exciting or dramatic as buying a big old pair of speakers, but you'll have better sound. Buying really good cables is not that exciting or dramatic either, but they are about refinement too. I would actually get my cable act together before I spent a great deal on speakers. There is no rational % of cable allotment in a system. No fixed dollar amount. Given a $5,000 system allowance. I don't think it would be crazy to have cables that cost 40% of that total. $2,000 in cables in a $5,000 system is not ridiculous, if the cables chosen really do give you the sound and refinement you want. I've used top of the line cables from several high end manufacturers and I have no doubt that they were the strong point and star of my system, and I am sure that removing them, removing something extraordinary for something ordinary would have done my sound worse things than having a less expensive power amp, or speakers. Do cables make more difference than speakers. Not usually; but somehow the refinement you lose by going to something lesser, you miss more than if you went to cheaper speakers. Depending on what of course. Speakers tend to sound great if they're response is flat, even if they're not that expensive. You would be amazed at what great sound you can get out of cheap speakers; if everything before it in the chain is down to a point. A better sound by far usually, than expensive speakers and so so electrinics and cables.
You are very wrong with that statement.
Do you still use a Pass Labs amplifier?
I don't. After the Pass I've been using this Accuphase: ruclips.net/video/qKwWHUotioo/видео.html
Which I still have, and now I am testing two SET amps, which will soon hit the channel.
@@anadialog Thanks for the reply.
Good god I thought you were going to show something affordable like QED 40i cables.
The QED Genesis look to be great cables. I just wish they were OCC instead of OFC.
Mogami 3104 is all you need.
Quality made in Japan, used by many professionals.
9:29 Phono DIN cables, right? Btw, have you revisited that project to complete it?
Which OCC copper cables have you tried?
Meh. Canare 4S11.
@@TisiphonesShadowAh yes, Canare is also good quality cable.
No need for all the audiophile voodoo, just solid engineering does suffice.
finally you're moving in in the right direction Neotech makes some of the best OCC cables out there for very high-end companies.
Because you have one?
These are really interesting tech wise. There is a speaker maker and cross-over engineer here in the States who sells high end DIY cables. He recommends threading cotton or a specific type of nylon rope (yea, ROPE!) thru the speaker wire/cable he sells, which is A LOT like Kimber cable: it has extremely similar geometry to these, with the same 'core' material. Seems that helps a good deal with crosstalk and impedance in each strand. Have you ever experimented with Solid Core speaker wire or interconnects?
I use ONLY solid core ....
THANKS GUIDO,FOR SHARING THIS OPTION…I have been using TARA LABS RSC 1000 FOR over twenty years…paid $10.00 a foot and very happy with them , and when you amortize anything (like cables that do not deteriorate OR GO bad ) THEY BECOME A GREAT BARGAIN…IMHHO 🤗💚💚💚
Tara labs!? Wow, congrats! Amazing brand.
These are solid cores, but I guess you mean low gauge single wire cables. Indeed, once I made a power cord with a Oyaide solid core you almost can't even bend it: ruclips.net/video/qlQXmQlBaVA/видео.html
@@anadialog GUIDO 👍🤗 actually, RSC stands for rectangular solid core, which they say is better, and they have put out scientific papers which you could probably find online, I got them when I bought the cables
Zenwave OCC silver gold alloy trust me.
What’s your opinion on Mogami,Canare or Gotham speaker cables?
I don't have any direct experience with them. I just head for OCC copper and quality insulation, possibly PTFE.
What audible characteristics of a speaker cable are not able to be measured?
What taste characteristics of a chocolate bar are not able to be measured?
@@anadialog that makes no sense? It was a genuine question!
@@defsonic2884 He gave you a genuine answer. You just didn't understand the reference.
@@dextermorgan1 thanks Dexter for the enlightening reply🥱
Its a valid question. How could it not be? We can't measure timbre. You can play the same note on many different instruments. Timbre is what makes a guitar sound like a guitar, and a piano sound like a piano, even though you are playing the same note. We can't measure it because its too complicated. If you want to look into it, I know there are a few universities working on the problem, but as far as I know, they haven't been able to measure it yet.
Probably the best example I can think of is vocal sibilance and/or harsh high frequencies. Its a very common problem in audio. Something like frequency response can show you frequencies that are out of proportion in reference to other frequencies, but it can't tell you if a cymbal sounds real or sounds like a piece of metal dropped on a concrete floor. If you were to EQ the problem frequencies, you can reduce their volume, which may enhance the listening experience, but it will just cover it up, and not improve the natural timbre of the instrument. That's why most experienced audiophiles will tell you let your ears make the decision. Since we can't measure it, your only 2 options are listen or ignore the problem.
When it comes to buying cables, the only person you can trust is you. Yes, cables make a difference. Sometimes a big difference. Everyone has different taste, listening skills and system. You can't trust someone else's results. Right now, I'm looking at a pair of $4000 speaker cables. 10 feet, single wire (not biwire). I've had them for a while and am very happy with my purchase. I would buy them again. I can give those cables to you, and you may hear no difference at all, or they may make your system sound worse. Regardless of what anyone says, that's just how it works. If you don't hear an improvement worth paying for, do not buy the cables (or anything else for that matter).
"insulation is paramount"
I have made some research and listning test during the years.
PTFE is good, but the best is natural PTFE, not coloured, red is the worst. Then adding colour you have th modify the PTFE to get the colours to "fasten", this affects the sound.
Dielectric constant, can not judge the sound quality soley. Insulators have different monocule structures, polar and non-polar. Non-Polar materials are PTFE, PE; PP; PS. Polar are for example polyester, PVC ...and should be avoided. Even the outer cover affets the sound.
Natural material are the best in my opinion, PAPER is the best sounding dielectricum.
Karl-Erik
and air is an even better dielectric
One correct comment
#ANA[DIA]LOG can you do a Holy Grail vinyl Video of your rarest Finds or Purchases U.s. version's vs Japan & Greman Pressings
Taking notes 📝!
i dont know... i ordered the SkW 7 the sound was very obscure on my system. and Very inflexible, they almost broke my connections to the speakers. i decided to buy vam del hul, THE D - 352 HYBRID i fill like my system breath. so good cable. please take some van del hul cable and review it
most power amps i’ve seen in my lifetime are wired with 16 to 20 awg. some copper some tin plated copper. After the power transformer on through to the output terminals to the speakers. To me these super expensive cables are not worth it.
That is true. In fact it's a shame that even high end manufacturers don't use high quality internal wiring, or at least very rarely.
It was quite surprising when I got a Teflon coated cable for my IEM's. I didn't think there could be such difference.
If it's that much of a difference, don't you think all cables would be covered in teflon ? After all it's cheap.
I agree in my experience the speaker cables make the biggest difference out of all the cables, followed by the power cables.
For a pair of 3m?
Don't know, need to check with whom sells them...or make them in that case around $200 per meter more or less
The cable may be too good for the system. Many believe 50% of your budget should be spent on speakers. What percentage should be spent on cables? It seems to me that a system of less than $50,000 does not need $1000 cables.
Good job, I have some back-issues to review.
It's hard to say because cables is one ofbthe most insanely and unlogically priced part of hifi....as demonstrated in other DIY videos I made you can really spend a real world amount of money and have high-end sound.
90% should be spent on speakers, but you need to see a spinorama to see if they are worth it.
In my experience interconnect cables are the most important cables …sonically speaking.
I guess that opinions vary - I am still figuring it out. But I do think that the effect of cables (if any) is highly system dependent - so it could be that on your system interconnects are far more important than on my system. The biggest difference I had (so far) was actually the power brick.
@@alphaniner3770 …everything matters. But you’re right: it is system dependent. And that’s where synergy comes into play.
I thought aluminum conducts better?
In terms of the best conductive materials, aluminum is low compared to silver (the best of the best, also because it's oxide is even more conductive in contrast with copper) then copper and gold, but it's up there.
I have to disagree with you that speaker cables are most important. In my opinion the phono-cable is most important because there you have the weakest signal.
I was using a Jelco cable with my nearly neutral high end cartridge. Rca connectors were playing up. I connected another cable. High and low frequencies flattened and I end by using tone controls on by pre-amp
Phono cables are extremely important you're right but I find that speaker cables have even more impact on the sound. Phono cables are a matter of defending that weak sound, speaker cables unleash the potential of an amp and speakers.
And now I know why people put their heavy amps on the ground. They can't afford to put them on something waist high. Oh, my back! 🔈🔉🔊
Wow !!! Your ears can tell the difference between OCC and OFC copper ? Really ?? I could not believe you said that, so I replaye that segment again (4:45 to 5:10), and yes, you did. I've heard lots of claims about individual's hearing abilities before - but that one is a first. That's super impressive and bloody amazing, but it's also a load of hogwash, or I could be wrong and you have the ears of God.
I did not say that. Don't put words in my mouth. I see you are clearly driven by prejudice. I can tell the difference but with normal crappy cables, OFC starts to get close so I would probably fail a blind test (although I never tried) but compared with a stabdard bulk cable, any day. Tell me, which OCC copper speaker cables do you have?
@@anadialog Driven by prejudice ?? Sorry to disappoint you mate, but what drives me to a degree is to try and stop the proliferation of absolutely ludicrous statements, like the one made in the video. Perhaps you should replay what you said and try to understand how it comes across to those who watch your channel.
I don't have any issue with the cable thingy - OFC, OCC, Ag or AgOCC. That's fine by me - different strokes for different folks and I don't really care or give a toss about what cables you use and / or how much they cost. If that's what rings your bell, so be it ..... great.
What do I use - I guess I could impress by putting down some high end names here - suffice to say that what I use does a damn fine job indeed.
Just so you know - been in this business since 1974, been a musician since 1969 (guitar, bass, drums, keyboards & piano). an acoustic and audio engineer for half that time and also dable in speaker design. So I'm not some dummy who fell to earth with the last shower.
BTW, this forum is meant to be a place for discussion, positive or otherwise, right. I did not label you with a tag of any sort, so why do you label me as being prejudiced becoz I dare to disagree.
Have a nice day .... Cheers
@@chutgowdingo-loon3212 Yeah, he probably can hear the difference. His ears aren't destroyed like yours from being a "musician since 1969 (guitar, bass, drums, keyboards & piano)". You don't like what he says in his video, well don't watch.
@@lazz3446 Man you are too funny. Interesting that you are willing to preach what you don't actually seem to practice - you don't like what I have to say or comment about on this forum ..... don't read. Oh, the hearing seems to have held up pretty well too, all things considered.
@@chutgowdingo-loon3212 Discussion? Read your first comment. I call that trolling, not a genuine, polite, open observation. It is no surprise unfortunately that you are a tech. Very few are able to think out of the box. As I said, driven by prejudice. You still didn't say which OCC cables you have...I presume that you have a pair after you stated that what I claimed is a load of hogwash.
Forget the snakeoil, the ONLY cable parameter that matters is OFC wire diameter, if you really think expensive cables make a difference just buy a single guage wire(car battery cable) to wire up your speakers, it will have vastly lower resistance than any of this snakeoil you buy and be far far cheaper.
Inductance and capacitance DO NOT matter at audio frequencies and I can argue this with solid science, do not be a fool.
Would you believe me if I said I was thinking the same when I saw this comment? You could buy 3 lengths, plait it and cut the 3rd wire.
My brother had the >Neotech silver ...........never heard better and we compared many......by better I mean ..............more connected to music and less to the system !
I use the Neotech wires to wire my amplifiers etc internaly.......also making IC 's ......and I 🙂
But speaker transducers are made of copper. What’s the point of silver speaker cable?
@@faludabutt8253 Best I ever heard in more than 60 years ............
For info, many speaker voice coils are made in aluminium.
Sweet!
@@anadialog For the downside of the story....................One day he came home and his cables were GONE .......! So the malicious hands knew what to steal ..........but the memory still is sweet
More of the "esoteric" cable bollsh!t.
I dare everyone to build speaker cables using Canare 4S11G Star Quad cable (at $2.05 per foot) and some quality terminal ends, properly connected.
A pair of 10 foot long cables will cost you about $70.
Perform an honest "ABX" double-blind listening test between the Canare cables and any of these ridiculously expensive cables, and tell me:
1). Can you hear a difference at all?
2). Which ones sound "better", and if they do, is it a large or small difference?
3). When the cable identities are revealed, which ones sounded better to you? Was it the expensive cables?
Do your ears, and wallet, a favor, and hear just how good $70 speaker cables can sound.
😄✌️
Thanks for your comment. Which high quality cables have you tried?
There is no such thing as a “fair” price if it is more than standard 12 ga SO cord. But if you could do a double blind test showing you can tell the difference then I’ll change my mind. The same argument you use for $4000 cable applies here against this cable. It is silly to pay the money.
Maybe the cheaper your system, the "More" you need great cables. I once heard some Sheffield Direct to Discs LPs played using a $30 Shure phono cartridge circa 1990. I couldn't believe how good the sound was using such a cheap phono cartridge. So inserting anything in the system that is of extremely high quality, ( in this example the lp), elevated the sound quality to way higher territory. So someone using a $500 cable with a $700 system would not be ridiculous, so long as the $500 cable is one that is good enough to elevate the sound quality. Thinking that you'd need a $50,000 system to justify using a thousand dollar cable is nonsense. You'd hear the upgrade in sound a great cable makes even if you have one of those old receivers with an opening for 8 track tapes on the front panel. You won't hear the cable in anywhere near all it's glory with such a cheap system. But you would hear a percentage of the improvement the cable is capable of making. That's a radical example, but a true one. IMO one inference you can make; people who can't hear improvements with better cables can't hear. Period.
I tend to agree. A mid-low quality system improvement dramatically with a good cable in most cases. That is what I also claimed here: ruclips.net/video/63DjmnemI4s/видео.html
People will believe anything, especially in audio !
Speaker wires: One of the biggest scams after the gold plated CD-R and audiophile mains fuses (for amplifiers).
Yes high quality cables are important but lol like spending 1 grand on cables is just scam.
I´m pretty sure there isn´t even a real difference in electrical properties between "fancy cables" and a 100% pure copper wire from the hardware store.
This is a cable for those who don't want to get their hands dirty. Otherwise for around 300$ you can do this cable I made and it sounds fantastic: ruclips.net/video/sdKdB-yaFJc/видео.html
Which high quality speaker cable have you tried?
@@anadialog I bought myself just standard pure copper 2,5mm² speaker wires and banana plugs.
This is more than enough for a short distance and for the type of speakers i´m using.
I´m having a pair of nubert bookshelf speakers on my desk and they´re happy with only 100W so there´s no need for 4mm² or more.
Not saying that there aren´t any benefits from using such hifi cables as they´re made with high quality materials and definitely look amazing and allow bi-amping/wiring but like literally paying 300 dollars on a little bit of copper wire, that´s already too much in my opinion.
For a bi-amping setup, it might be another story but i guess you could just route another seperate cable if you don´t care about the looks.
Having a few seperate conductors for the same pole can help with the skinning effect but that will actually only affect like really high frequencies way above 50khz until it may be enough to be noticeable (it´s frequency dependent).
This becomes even less of an issue since high frequencies in audio equipment has to carry much less current, so the added impedance on super high frequencies really doesn´t matter.
So in the end, from a technical standpoint, all that matters is the cross-section of the wire, which should match the power rating of the setup and the length, thus i´m buying standard copper wires.
So that´s what i´m determining as a high quality cable.
Electrical properties.
@@MultiWirth you see what is the problem? Too many people talking about things they just don't know
I asked you a serious question -
Q. What audible characteristics of a speaker cable are not able to be measured.
A. What taste characteristics of a chocolate bar are not able to be measured?
I was just trying to understand your technical knowledge given you are advising consumers to spend thousands on cables.
Perhaps you can also answer this question for me:
If you have a large floorstanding 4 way speaker with meters of internal speaker wire, speaker connectors and binding posts how do these cables interact with the differing, gauge, lengths, material construction? Same with internal wiring in power amp?
Thanks
I never EVER advised to spend thousands on cables. I actually did exactly the opposite providing several DIY cables. Alredy with this statement I can see you have a bias towards me.
My answer was extremely serious. We can't establish which chocolate bar tastes better based on measurements. They can help but they can't establish the QUALITY of something but mainly the QUANTITY. By that quantity we can infer if something is "good" or "bad" but it is absolutely incomplete. Same with cables. Most cable measurements are based on voltage. Clearly something is missing if thousands of people claim they hear a difference and thousands don't also because of the interaction with their gear.
Your questions aimed at pointing a finger to highlight my lack of knowledge are a sad way to obtain reason. I have never hidden that I am not a technician BUT, let me ask you another question. When you recommend a car or a phone model or even a bottle of wine to someone do you know exactly how all things work and why something is good?
@@anadialog thanks for the reply albeit not very helpful
no insulation on Speaker cables... EVER!
Maybe you mean shielding, insulation is always required unless you use gold, they would oxide after just a few days.
😂$1,500 euro for jjust copper😊 Nutz price. U better get Pure Silver AudioQuest oldest Dragon x3 model better
1 or 2 percent ... no where near it.
New title
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And you are my first special guest who clicked on the video! ;-)
If you think it sounds better and have the money to burn go for it .ps send me a pair 😏
maybe you should try the Neotech Sahara or Amazon but I don't think you can afford that, the 2 m of the copper rectangular Amazon speaker cable is $4,000 US that's probably above your playing level lol I have it and it beats any of the round OCC single crystal copper all to hell, the rectangular stuff is probably the best wire on the market now both the silver and the copper.
Read your comment again and be ashamed of yourself. What a way to debate...money? You should take a look at my other videos and understand at what level we are playing here.
If you’re spending thousands on cables get your ears checked. Get your head checked as well.
I see you are very sure of your statement. Can you please list which quality cables you have tried? Thanks
Anyone with any knowledge of electricity knows that these "high end" cables are a ridiculous rip-off. The speaker is 8 ohms (nominally). That is near a short circuit. That is the load that is seen by the amp. The silly "fire hose" cables do not even enter into the equation. It's like you started with a sewer pipe, and ended with a garden hose. Don't be a sucker for the shameless scam artists who are making false claims about this overpriced junk. The fancy cables might boost your sense of pride in your system, but the fact is that electrons do not flow any better through pretty wire.
Which quality speaker cables have you tried?
No point in reasoning with these clowns. Let them enjoy their overpriced jewelry and laugh from a distance.
"High-end cables are often simply better materials and better manufacture. Live in a high-EMI location? Unshielded cables can suck. Also, quality of manufacture affects product longevity. Corrosion is a thing and can leave you with poor sound. Poor jacketing materials and insulation can crack and peel over time, and that's also bad.
I was once a "audiophile"... Yes! Speaker cables do make a difference... Better cable gave a sense of ease... Cheaper cables choke the sound
The speaker cable is the most important cable? OCC copper with teflon insulation is the best? Why doesn't Audio Note use that if that's the best? You should try doing a comparison before claiming something is best just because "experts" can find a "causal" explanation to say it's so. The sciences of electromagnetism and solid state physics don't really know what's going on. They don't know how electricity works and they don't know how electrons move inside conductors. Dielectrics (teflon is a dielectric) are far more complicated then just relative dielectric constant. Of course we have to know the science (all science outside chemistry is actually just cutting edge engineering, not "science")
Electromagnetic energy or "signal" travels outside the conductors in the form of electric and magnetic fields which are made of photons. These waves travel through the dielectric in between the "signal send" and "signal return" wires which is why the dielectric material is so important. I'm sure you remember ionic bonding and covalent bonding from high school. Metallic bonding is the way metallic atoms bond together. They have no choice but to form a molecule called a unit cell which is the smallest crystal that can form in a metal. The softer or more annealed a metal is the larger the crystals are (OCC could be called a very specialized type of annealing or a beyond annealing process - I could care less what the experts have decided to name it). The free electrons in a conductor's metallic crystal form a coherent cloud outside the crystal called a Fermi Sea or Fermi-Liquid. This cloud is more or less electromagnetically shielded from the electromagnetic goings on inside the ionic molecule (ionic because each atom has given up an electron to the Fermi Sea). Somehow an electromagnetic wave travels through the crystal as a plane wave or surface wave (depending on the textbook you read). None of this makes any sense because the consensus view of electromagnetic wave propagation is that a moving charge carrier (almost always an electron) generates an electric field, this electric field generates a magnetic field, this magnetic field generates an electric field. On and on this cycle goes to generate an electric field that travels at the speed of light through the given dielectric. But the electrons inside the conductor travel at only 0.5 millimeters per second or something (depending on the textbook) and increasing that flow considerably requires extraordinary measures (massive voltage and energy). Now, if they don't really know how electrons flow in a conductor (the model looks at it as being one dimensional then throws out most factors to keep the math from becoming impossibly complex. Then when they have an answer they artificially start multiplying this out into two dimensional, then three dimensional models and then pretend they know how it works. Solid state physicists are even more lost then electrodynamicists).
Lets look at some of the problems with these theories (they're not really theories. A theory is something that is proven to a very high degree and in order to do that it has to not have any situations where it doesn't work or where the theory breaks down. That's why chemistry is the only real science. What I'm talking about aren't really even hypotheses and many of the people working on this stuff know this). So the electromagnetic wave is supposed to travel through the crystal yet electric fields cannot penetrate a conductor (they get squelched or shorted out. Otherwise we could use conductors as dielectrics - assuming there was an insulator between the current carrying wire and the conductor acting as a dielectric). In a superconductor the skin effect or depth that an electromagnetic wave can penetrate the conductor is only on the very surface of the conductor. In a regular conductor there are at least 4 different theories as to what causes skin effect. They all make sense but they also all don't make sense in a few ways. There are so many contexts to juggle and because the causal relationships are unknown (the consensus view is just politics. It's easy to find physics papers trying to fix the problems) it's easy to make something make sense or not make sense just by shifting you're perspective. Electricity is one phenomena but is made up of about 30 different things. Many of these things are impossible to measure or detect. See Freeman Dyson article "Why is Maxwell's Theory so Hard to Understand." Also search "Jefimenko, Maxwell's, causality." One guy named Robert Destinti claims electromagnetism is wrong and come up with his own theory (there are a lot of these types of people). He wrote his master's thesis on the fact that you can't figure out the inductance of a wire with Maxwell's equations. I did some searching and found a physics forum where they were arguing about him. Eventually a physics professor showed that Maxwell's equations assume that the diameter of the wire is infinitely small so if you want to calculate it for a real world wire you have to incorporate some quantum physics to get an answer. In what world of logic do you have to resort to quantum physics to figure out one of the most basic classical electromagnetics quantities? And these people claim that Maxwell's equations are perfect. When you get to dielectrics, the molecular complexity is off the scale complex compared to copper or silver. Dielectrics are classified as highly polar dielectrics to lightly polar to non polar. Teflon is classified as highly polar when in fact it isn't polar at all. It's classified as this because of the way the test probes interact with the surface charge in the teflon. Confused? The more you read on this stuff the more confusing it gets. They have super advanced ways of testing dielectrics today and that claim about teflon is from the newest, most advanced textbook.
To boil it down, they don't really know very much but their paychecks and social status is based on the illusion that they do. I wonder if they just gave up studying the old stuff and moved onto the new stuff because people would start wondering why they kept banging on about the same old stuff for 100 years. Today they're working on manipulating the orbital spin or rotational spin of the photons in light to cram more signal onto a single fiber optic cable (which is itself a dielectric). How a photon can have orbital angular spin is beyond me because they aren't orbiting an atom or molecule like electrons do. But this stuff is all just engineering. Try things. Measure them in umpteen ways. Create graphs of the results and use those to design real world devices. That's not science. Consensus among audio people who can hear and have heard all the best stuff is that OCC sounds bad. It was invented for tiny conductors inside integrated electronics chips. That's different. Plus teflon doesn't sound best. Audio Note uses a type of polyester called Mylar in their top silver foil/film capacitor (Mylar is a brand of a type of polyester of which there are about 7 types). If Audio Note uses that then we should pay attention. Never let notions of "science" throw you off in audio. Scientists only pretend to know what's going on. Silver sounds way better then any copper. Soft annealed conductors sound better then hard or OCC. Theoretically, OCC should sound great. Then you hear it and realize it isn't all that. The brand matters too. I heard one Neotech silver/gold that sounded excellent. Audio Note silver is way better then the dozen or so high falutin' silvers and other stuff I've tried. I tried that new Mundorf copper/silver/gold wire and wasn't impressed. Connex 6N silver, Mundorf silver/gold and Neotech silver/gold were all beyond awesome. But Audio Note silver wiped the floor with all of these. I didn't burn in any of the wire I tried. I still have the wire so may have to hook them up to a burn in device and see if that makes a difference. Audio Note wire is coated with six layers of polyurethane so it can be used as litz wire. I bought the 0.6 mm from hificollective and just ran one wire. for each send and return wire. The quality of the return wire matter too. Connectors matter as well. Audio Note RCA is by far the best RCA connector. Audio Note solder is the best too. I bought some AECO XLR connectors. They should be as good as possible but I haven't tried them yet.
Another thing is that audio frequencies are so low that they are classified as Quasi-Static, meaning that Maxwell's equations can be used without alteration most of the time (Maxwell's equations are static only. That's why they don't understand how electricity works because electricity changes through time). AES/EBU 110 ohm digital interconnect that would go between your CD transport and DAC or between you're digital to digital converter (which is itself feed by your computer or server or streamer) is from 5 MHz to 25 MHz depending on the data rate of the signal. Even that is super low compared to what they're working on today. Part of our problem in audio is they stopped studying this stuff over a half century ago when digital computers were invented. Audio is 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz. Visible light is 400 THz to 800 THZ. That's what they work on today. They're not very good at explaining what is relevant to what. The physics changes radically at different frequencies and different energy levels. Look up "electromagnetic spectrum" and add "eV" to see the energy of each photon ate the different frequencies. Einstein figured this out in 1905. He was a real big brain. Light is an electromagnetic wave and the speed of light is calculated from Maxwell's equations and the theories of relativity were outgrowths from Maxwell's equations (Maxwell's equations weren't developed by Maxwell. He just started it. Hertz finalized them but the alternative experts are still arguing over that, plus Tesla. Don't get me started). Look up Oleg Jefimenko, Terence Barrett, Timothy H. Boyer, Ivor Catt, Lee M Hively, Bahman Zohuri, Douglas H Werner, Jose A Heras and Z Horvath. The references will lead you to more.
In short, the physicists that work on all this stuff are as smart as people can be. The reason they don't know how anything works is because it's impossible to figure out. Why don't you figure it out and win every Nobel for the next 1000 years? If they can be blamed for anything it's for pretending to have certainty when there is none. I guarantee you that these scientists at Waterloo University all got the Covid jabs. Anyone who got those jabs is beyond foolish. They never read any of the studies. Now they're screwed and the studies prove it. See the German study of IgG4 from last December as just one example (though the studies were rolling in hard and thick from Sept. 2020 onwards). Royally screwed. The birth rate in Australia is down 80%. Excess death in Scotland is up 28% and mostly in the young. Great Britain is up 27%. All of these became elevated at jab rollout and stayed high until January this when they began rising each month. The moral of the story is no human is so smart as to not be totally stupid. There are so many lawsuits being filed now, one the other day was against the US military) that this might be one more thing they're using to destroy the financial system as an excuse to bring in digital currencies and crickets instead of meat. We're all screwed and we were lead by the big brains pretending to be geniuses. Good luck everybody. We'll likely be worrying less about our stereo gear in the near future.
It's funny how youvare trying to state that what others say isn't important or necessarily true, and the first thing you say is why Audionote doesn't use teflon. Seems rather contradictory.
Don't know if they do. Measurements and numbers are a good starting and as a consumer I will get part of that. The rest is based on one's own experience. When you buy a car do you fully understand how it works or a new computer? No, so no, I don't jave to do that with cables. I trust specs until a certain point, then I trust my ears since a lot of scientist and engineering admitted that we know only what we measure and there is so much that we still don't understand.
Oh, in by the way, it makes no sense to talk about crystals because that is what is OCC a conductor with less then 1 crystal per meter.
Only two things matter - material and thickness. Simple. Nothing less, nothing more. 4mm² of copper is better than 2.5 mm² of silver. That's it. So the best is 6mm² of silver or more if your devices support it, and the insulation has no meaning at all. This is the whole science.
The negative influence of a high dielectric constant is one of the most clearly and scientifically documented aspects of cables. Here is a video where I explore in detail all these aspects: ruclips.net/video/uVKFSquAhwc/видео.html
You mentioned a thousand euro..
Was that per metre or what?
Is this speaker wire from amplifier to speaker??
Can you show the difference of the three with an audio test. Something that gives numbers..you know..actual data.
Anybody can spout adjectives but can you show the difference with an audio test system.. perhaps a microphone and spectrum analyser.
Perhaps run the same source with the exact same material to the same speakers on the same day but switch over the three sets of wires you're raving about.
Otherwise it's just snake oil..
It's just snake oil
Overpriced snake oil junk. If you want to be a fool, be my guest.
Which quality cables have you tried?
Well, I do respect your work, but have to interfere: on which measurement did you noticed a difference, and compared to what? You used your ears to convince us to buy expensive cables . That is not right. Oscilloscope, signal generator, full audio spectrum, beyond audio frequencies, noise treshold, there is NOTHING in your video. This is commercial, please do commercials about useful things, not like this.
No I don't think you respect my work if you state that this is a commercial while it is clear that I do this only for passion. Measurements? Are we still there? Read the other comments...Measurements help but are not completing the picture and people understood this years ago. Only techs who live via numbers are still completely attached to this uncompleted concept. Tell me, can you establish which chocolate bar is better with measurements? No because taste goes beyond that, so do ears. Does a blood work tell you everything that is going on in your blood? No because you can only ask precise questions so you don't get all the answers. Same with cables. Just for a start measurements are mainly based on voltage leaving aside other elements.
Plus, you should know that in cables so short inductance, capitance and resistance are negligible so...the model, as I said, is incomplete.
@@anadialog good answer, I can agree about chocolate and blood and so on. That is not measurable, trully. But, at LEAST it is needed and possible to do measurements for the reason to prove some advancement, or comparison with some other sorrs of cables. If you did not do it, how can you speak about 1 or two percent of advancement???? Please get on ground, from clouds
@@colloidalsilverwater15ppm88 difference in cables, that only human ears can measure !
@@r423sdex yeah, yeah, I can accept that
@@anadialog Hey there I love your videos, you're explanations are way better than most people. I have a question for you on power cables. I'm upgrading rca and speaker cables which are straight forward. My question is, when it comes to power cables do you replace the cords on all of your devices or are you just replacing the main cable from the wall to whatever the first thing is that you're plugging into? I don't have a high end stereo by any means, my system is a Pioneer a-443 receiver, Sony CD player, Technics dual cassette deck, Ampapa preamp, Thorens TD 160 turntable, and Tannoy C10 speakers, but I'm open minded enough to try different cables to see what kind of difference it makes. I make my own cables so that the cost isn't too much. Right now I have everything plugged into a power box. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Also I don't know if you already have a video on this or not, but I would love to see a video on your system. What you have and how everything is hooked up and why, etc. Cheers!
The debate on audio cables is hysterical. Sure, these cables are made well and cost a fortune, but at what return? By the time you're 20, your hearing is decaying exponentially. Can one hear the difference in audio quality due to cabling, or is it their own subjective opinion based on the amount of money spent?
IMO, who cares. If you want to spend thousands on cables, it's your money. If you hear a difference, congratulations. The chances of anyone else experiencing your system are nill. So, enjoy your cables. The rest of us are going to spend our hard earned cash elsewhere.
Before presenting this cable I presented several cheap and DIY solutions that are mentioned also in this video. Do after 6 years of video I also decided to present a ready to use high-end cable. During the video I also suggested to do it by yourself since the cost is too high. This is to say that I don't simply buy a cable and show it on RUclips saying hey get it. I do two jobs for my hard-earned money so let's drop that ridiculous part. I am not finding it at the end of rainbows!
In any case, your opening denotes a strong and common misconception since subsonics and ultrasonics greatly influence the audible spectrum as in reality so in recorded music. Plus I have scientifically proved in a video that we do hear and perceive sounds above 20khx, enjoy: ruclips.net/video/Btn572ZIC8k/видео.html
@ANA[DIA]LOG I used the term subjective, and you use the term perceived. I will agree that "some" people perceive frequency waves differently. However, the construction of our ear/hearing can only vibrate to a certain frequency. And that ability decays with age. Now, can one perceive the lost spectrum in other ways? I say, sure, when one sense is lost, another may pick up an ability to compensate. No question. We see this with blind or deaf people every day. However, to say that a speaker wire will achieve an impact value equal to cost is 100% hogwash. But, but it's perceived value. And if someone has the $$ to spend for perceived value, then their purchase was subjective. However, the overwhelming majority of people will not experience this perceived difference. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying the value in no way outweighs the cost for most folks.
And you propose DIY BS, right
actually it's not the top of the line of neotech, the top of the line is the rectangular OCC single crystal silver and copper called Amazon and Sahara please get your facts straight.
No, you're wrong, those are finished cables ridiculously priced. I am talking about bulk cable, for which neotech is famous for.
@@anadialog actually I'm not wrong Dumbo Amazon and Sahara is the top of the line of the NeoTech cables fuck are you ever stupid. The bulk cable is not the rectangular stuff It's the round OCC, boy you should do your research a little bit, I told you I used to rep for harmonic technology in the Vancouver area where I live so I know a lot more about OCC single crystal copper than you ever will, too bad you can't afford the Amazon of the Sahara It's phenomenal sounding I've got it and it beats any round OCC even neotechs, that's why they came out with the rectangular OCC single crystal because it is better than the round OCC but you'll never get to hear it cuz you can't afford it lol, and just so you know my system is worth 72,000 Canadian you'll never play in that league my friend. I guess you can't afford $4,200 US for 2 m pair lol, I guess People like you have to try things on the cheap lol
they could be using silver plated OFC you don't even know Silver plated OFC sounds pretty good I bet you you couldn't tell the difference between OCC and Silver plated OFC if your life depended on it your ears aren't that good sorry buddy keep getting scammed by the Chinese though lol. first of all just so you know OCC single crystal copper has always been and always will be six nines there's the first giveaway and OCC single crystal silver is seven nines and it always has been never has OCC single crystal copper been four nines.
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