Ive yet to see anyone do a double blind test and pick whether the speakers were using the factory jumper or the others and i don't understand why a speaker company would spend so much money and time on research and development only to compromise their speakers by using substandard jumpers.
My sentiments entirely! And what is the point of replacing a made-for-the-job short jumper plate with a piece of wire twice as long as it needs to be? Surely this link should be as short as is possible!
I've already addressed this. Learned about it when I'd heard about a Polk Audio executive who said the double binding posts are built into the design as "eye candy". The idea being that they're not just trendy, they're incorporated on more well known speaker manufacturers. Does it matter that they serve no purpose? I disagree with your judgment that "so much money and time" was spent in research and development. That's your assumption.
Hello, To be honest, I don't believe 10cm of jumper cable will make a difference versus the original jumpers. I have tried and unless my ear are terrible to a point. I didn't ear or felt a difference.
Hi ABarista. Good subject. What I do is used my VdH speaker cable to serve as jumper as well. I believe in continuity. Let both drivers see exact same cable.
I build speakers and crossovers. By using matched pairs caps and drivers. I measure everything.. caps, coils, drivers, the effect of combined components in circuit, effect of different isolation materials acoustical properties, before / after microphone analytics tests, you name it. I use oversized internal cabling between drivers, crossovers and inputterminals. But as soon as I hear someone telling "you are using the wrong jumpercables" I smash my head. No. Just NO. We aren't. Period. If the jumpers are connected properly (e.g. firmly tight and the electrical resistance between connected points is zero) those factory jumpers are MORE than adequate.
Uhm…”Just NO” is not an argument 🤷♂️ So cables in crossovers matter but the connection between the binding posts does not? Sorry man, the flimsy bridges that some companies use are just not adequate. A simple listen will demonstrate that.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 That was about using spade terminals so they don't block banana plugs from entering all the way. Which is a valid way to do things, but the factory jumpers also shouldn't be blocking the banana plugs.
Agree that jumper ideally should be the same cable as spkr cable. So, instead of cutting from my spkr cable (VdH CS122) I unsheathed a part for the first posts to make contact with then let bare wire ends connect to upper posts. Audible improvement from my previous Supra jumpers. It's like a seamless whole sound compared to previous. I was amazed.
Why do you think the jumper should 'ideally' be of the same cable as the speaker lead.....why not the same wire as that which conveys the signal to the crossover inside the cabinet?!!! Just consider for a moment the function of the jumper - it passes either treble signal current or bass signal current depending on whether you plug your speaker leads into the top terminals or the bottom.....in other words, it doesn't carry the same current as the speaker cable - so why the same cable?!!!
I made my own jumpers out of solid 16 gauge wire. Later, I decided to order expensive gold-plated spade-end jumper cables. The ones I made had the treble sounding smooth, while the new expensive jumpers sounded harsh and bright. Likely the bright harsh sound was how my speakers actually sound, and the solid wire wasn't making as good of a contact, but in the end I liked those better. It pays to try small changes like this.
A well known speaker cable manufacturer told me years ago that if I was leaving the jumper leads in place ie single wiring, to go in on the top positive on one side and out on the bottom negative on the other side it being the best way electrically through the crossover. After much experimentation over several days with different kinds of music there was a distinct difference, crisper, more definition and a better sense of everybody playing in time, give it a try it does work and I'm a sceptic.
What you were told is nonsensical!... but seems to have caught on! The treble signal current still passes through a jumper! Consider, your treble component of the signal arrives at the top red termina (actually the electrons flow from the black wire! but lets talk conventional current!) and, indeed, goes straight through the terminal to the high pass filter, then to the tweeter's + terminal, through the winding and back out from the - terminal ie the 'common' and back to the input terminal, THROUGH THE JUMPER to get to the black speaker wire plugged into the bottom terminal! If there is a deleterious effect associated with one element in the circuit (I doubt there is!) it doesn't matter were it is in that circuit!!! Oh, BTW the electrons actually go through the jumper FIRST as I point out above!!!! Far from being better 'electrically', it makes not the slightest difference....any perceived difference is imaginary. 7
@@rogerwebb7501 Off course it goes through the jumper 🤷♂️ The only point in this video is the quality of the jumper. And I am sure you can back up your claim that it does not make any difference right? Yes, perceived difference is a thing. But so are baseless claims.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424Sorry if you misunderstood. My claim was that plugging the red speaker lead into the top red terminal so that the treble goes straight to the high pass filter, whilst having the black speaker lead plugged into the lower black terminal is false, as the treble content still goes through the jumper. The original poster had been told that doing so avoided any degradation due to the jumper. All I pointed out was that this cannot make a difference as the hypothesis on which the 'improvement' is predicated is false. I don't need to 'prove' it....what I've said is obviously true! My conclusion is that the poster has been duped. 'Improvements' that one does ones self are pregnant with the possibility of confirmation bias! Oh, and I might add that plugging both speaker leads into the top two terminals IS electrically different, as now the treble content avoids the jumpers completely...but then the bass has the onerous task of ploughing through both...there and back!!
I went to buy some speakers. I brought a source and amp to test them with. The seller had a disconnected jumper. When I tested them they heard them like never before and didn't want to sell them anymore. I recommend using the connector of the High or the positive and the Low for the negative. That way if the jumper isn't connected there will be NO SOUND instead of just woofer or tweeter.
Once again, another non-sensical video about the unproven idiocy of double terminals. I have yet to read, see, or hear anything that validates the improvement in the sound of speakers that are bi-wired. Those cheap straps make no sense, and even less if they come with a pricey, high quality pair of speakers. Stupid is as stupid does.
I connected up my audio analogue power amp upto my wharfdale evo 4.2 which allow me to try be wiring and my power amp has biwire terminal so i connected it all and my amp went wll distorted,why, well i forgot to remove the jumper cables. Lol
Ik speel zelf al enkele jaren met bi wire kabels... Maakte toch een enorm verschil uit moet ik zeggen. Misschien niet op het eerste gehoor maar er zat meer lucht tussen de instrumenten en de bassen waren strakker en dieper. Is begonnen met een goedkope dynavox perfect sound bi wire, nadien een qed xt25 performance bi wire en nu een oehlbach bi tech bi wire. Heb er zelfs 2 ondertussen voor mijn beide setups. De oehlbach heeft zelfs mijn Klipsch rp600m's in het hoog wat getemd. Kan niet meer gelukkig zijn met die kabels. Leuke video Ivar!
Richard Vandersteen recommended bi-wiring my Vandersteen 2CE Signature II loudspeakers. I may recall incorrectly but I don’t believe jumpers were even provided with the speakers, purchased new from an authorized Vandersteen dealer quite some years ago.
Hoi ivar. Leuke video en perfect uitgelegd. Altijd de goedkope jumper plaatjes vervangen door luidspreker kabel het liefste de zelfde als die je gebruikt. Fijn weekend. Gr André de vries.
In the video you said that people prefer plugging the main speaker cable in the high frequency first, and then connecting the jumper to the low frequency. Could you please explain what the potential benefits of this might be ?
Hi. It is not about the order of plugging in. There is some science that suggests that plugging the single cable into the high frequency connectors is the better option, but opinions are divided. I guess people have to try it for themselves.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 You guess? Wait, you present as an “expert” and your response is a guess?! What?! Some might wonder and be concerned about damaging the equipment! And you guess?!
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 So, it’s okay for others to ask that you clarify their confusion? My question was simply, would one damage their speakers if they ran the positive to the HF and the negative to the LF terminal? Did you just label my not knowing as ignorance? Well, that’s what the word means, even though it seems you’re using it as an insult. Maybe you can’t provide the answer? Thanks for your assistance! Best RUclips ever!
Why, when you fit the new red jumper leads are they much longer than necessary.....surely the shorter the better..... in fact the metal plates look like they are made for the job!
@@rogerwebb7501 Well, obviously the metal plates were made for that job 🤷♂️ This does not mean you can’t improve on them. These particular red jumpers were not made by me but these cables are pretty stiff so you can’t make them much shorter
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 And in the 'making' reputable manufacturers would ensure that they are of sufficient quality.....surely! Erm, and if you doubt their ability to get this right why trust them with the 'making' of the rest of the gubbins that you can't see?!!!! I doubt that those that espouse the use of such add-ons even know what signal current they carry! A simple question if I may. If you plug your speaker cables into the top (tweeter) terminals, what signal current is carried by the jumpers?
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 Ah, not my original question, but the one in my later post asking what would be conveyed by the jumpers if you plugged your speaker cables into the tweeter terminals. What I want know is, does the whole signal pass through the jumper, as it does through the speaker wire?
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 Right, you already explained that you don’t know what you’re talking about and you don’t know what the word ignorant means. You use it as an insult when viewers ask questions. Further, since your reading comprehension is pathetic , I will reiterate; you contradicted your own video. You stated it wasn’t about bi-wiring and then the rest of the video is about bi-wiring.
Plug the positive red wire to the upper red plug & the negative black wire to the lower black plug for best results! A Set of high-quality jumper cables, such as Audience Front Row will absolutely outperform any other cable!
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 the high frequency signal is very delicate and prone to distortion because of connections. This is one less connection that would go directly to the high frequency crossover.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 I tried this myself, and I found a significant improvement. This was advised to me by many of the local are you guys. Have you tried this?
Ive yet to see anyone do a double blind test and pick whether the speakers were using the factory jumper or the others and i don't understand why a speaker company would spend so much money and time on research and development only to compromise their speakers by using substandard jumpers.
My sentiments entirely! And what is the point of replacing a made-for-the-job short jumper plate with a piece of wire twice as long as it needs to be? Surely this link should be as short as is possible!
I've already addressed this. Learned about it when I'd heard about a Polk Audio executive who said the double binding posts are built into the design as "eye candy". The idea being that they're not just trendy, they're incorporated on more well known speaker manufacturers. Does it matter that they serve no purpose? I disagree with your judgment that "so much money and time" was spent in research and development. That's your assumption.
Can you help, I have Tannoy P40 speakers which have a Triple set of terminals ..how do I connect these ?
Hello, To be honest, I don't believe 10cm of jumper cable will make a difference versus the original jumpers. I have tried and unless my ear are terrible to a point. I didn't ear or felt a difference.
Maybe you could also just open up the speaker and solder the internal wiring to the same binding posts.
Hi ABarista. Good subject. What I do is used my VdH speaker cable to serve as jumper as well. I believe in continuity. Let both drivers see exact same cable.
I build speakers and crossovers. By using matched pairs caps and drivers. I measure everything.. caps, coils, drivers, the effect of combined components in circuit, effect of different isolation materials acoustical properties, before / after microphone analytics tests, you name it. I use oversized internal cabling between drivers, crossovers and inputterminals. But as soon as I hear someone telling "you are using the wrong jumpercables" I smash my head.
No. Just NO. We aren't. Period.
If the jumpers are connected properly (e.g. firmly tight and the electrical resistance between connected points is zero) those factory jumpers are MORE than adequate.
Uhm…”Just NO” is not an argument 🤷♂️
So cables in crossovers matter but the connection between the binding posts does not?
Sorry man, the flimsy bridges that some companies use are just not adequate. A simple listen will demonstrate that.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 Maybe read the last sentence before skipping over the whole comment.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 read again...
@@TheMatsushitaMan Maybe listen to the video before you comment on it --> @4:25
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 That was about using spade terminals so they don't block banana plugs from entering all the way. Which is a valid way to do things, but the factory jumpers also shouldn't be blocking the banana plugs.
Agree that jumper ideally should be the same cable as spkr cable.
So, instead of cutting from my spkr cable (VdH CS122) I unsheathed a part for the first posts to make contact with then let bare wire ends connect to upper posts.
Audible improvement from my previous Supra jumpers. It's like a seamless whole sound compared to previous. I was amazed.
Why do you think the jumper should 'ideally' be of the same cable as the speaker lead.....why not the same wire as that which conveys the signal to the crossover inside the cabinet?!!!
Just consider for a moment the function of the jumper - it passes either treble signal current or bass signal current depending on whether you plug your speaker leads into the top terminals or the bottom.....in other words, it doesn't carry the same current as the speaker cable - so why the same cable?!!!
I made my own jumpers out of solid 16 gauge wire. Later, I decided to order expensive gold-plated spade-end jumper cables. The ones I made had the treble sounding smooth, while the new expensive jumpers sounded harsh and bright. Likely the bright harsh sound was how my speakers actually sound, and the solid wire wasn't making as good of a contact, but in the end I liked those better. It pays to try small changes like this.
It sure does.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Did you plug speaker cables into the top or bottom set of terminals?
A well known speaker cable manufacturer told me years ago that if I was leaving the jumper leads in place
ie single wiring, to go in on the top positive on one side and out on the bottom negative on the other side
it being the best way electrically through the crossover. After much experimentation over several days
with different kinds of music there was a distinct difference, crisper, more definition and a better sense
of everybody playing in time, give it a try it does work and I'm a sceptic.
Yes. Many people also prefer that option.
Thanks for sharing 👍👍 Much appreciated.
@rayfordham9230 Can you provide a link or article title related to your post above? Thanks!
What you were told is nonsensical!... but seems to have caught on!
The treble signal current still passes through a jumper! Consider, your treble component of the signal arrives at the top red termina (actually the electrons flow from the black wire! but lets talk conventional current!) and, indeed, goes straight through the terminal to the high pass filter, then to the tweeter's + terminal, through the winding and back out from the - terminal ie the 'common' and back to the input terminal, THROUGH THE JUMPER to get to the black speaker wire plugged into the bottom terminal!
If there is a deleterious effect associated with one element in the circuit (I doubt there is!) it doesn't matter were it is in that circuit!!! Oh, BTW the electrons actually go through the jumper FIRST as I point out above!!!!
Far from being better 'electrically', it makes not the slightest difference....any perceived difference is imaginary. 7
@@rogerwebb7501 Off course it goes through the jumper 🤷♂️
The only point in this video is the quality of the jumper.
And I am sure you can back up your claim that it does not make any difference right?
Yes, perceived difference is a thing. But so are baseless claims.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424Sorry if you misunderstood. My claim was that plugging the red speaker lead into the top red terminal so that the treble goes straight to the high pass filter, whilst having the black speaker lead plugged into the lower black terminal is false, as the treble content still goes through the jumper. The original poster had been told that doing so avoided any degradation due to the jumper. All I pointed out was that this cannot make a difference as the hypothesis on which the 'improvement' is predicated is false. I don't need to 'prove' it....what I've said is obviously true! My conclusion is that the poster has been duped. 'Improvements' that one does ones self are pregnant with the possibility of confirmation bias!
Oh, and I might add that plugging both speaker leads into the top two terminals IS electrically different, as now the treble content avoids the jumpers completely...but then the bass has the onerous task of ploughing through both...there and back!!
I went to buy some speakers. I brought a source and amp to test them with. The seller had a disconnected jumper. When I tested them they heard them like never before and didn't want to sell them anymore.
I recommend using the connector of the High or the positive and the Low for the negative. That way if the jumper isn't connected there will be NO SOUND instead of just woofer or tweeter.
Magnepan uses steel staple
Between tweets & midrange
Path 1.2R 10w for tweets 😊
Once again, another non-sensical video about the unproven idiocy of double terminals. I have yet to read, see, or hear anything that validates the improvement in the sound of speakers that are bi-wired. Those cheap straps make no sense, and even less if they come with a pricey, high quality pair of speakers. Stupid is as stupid does.
Your opinion is noted 👍
@1:20
I connected up my audio analogue power amp upto my wharfdale evo 4.2 which allow me to try be wiring and my power amp has biwire terminal so i connected it all and my amp went wll distorted,why, well i forgot to remove the jumper cables. Lol
Oops...😂
Thanks for sharing man 👍🔊☕️
Ik speel zelf al enkele jaren met bi wire kabels... Maakte toch een enorm verschil uit moet ik zeggen. Misschien niet op het eerste gehoor maar er zat meer lucht tussen de instrumenten en de bassen waren strakker en dieper. Is begonnen met een goedkope dynavox perfect sound bi wire, nadien een qed xt25 performance bi wire en nu een oehlbach bi tech bi wire. Heb er zelfs 2 ondertussen voor mijn beide setups. De oehlbach heeft zelfs mijn Klipsch rp600m's in het hoog wat getemd. Kan niet meer gelukkig zijn met die kabels. Leuke video Ivar!
Dank voor de bijdrage Fred (en de speakers 😉🔊).
Richard Vandersteen recommended bi-wiring my Vandersteen 2CE Signature II loudspeakers. I may recall incorrectly but I don’t believe jumpers were even provided with the speakers, purchased new from an authorized Vandersteen dealer quite some years ago.
I did not know that. Thanks for sharing 👍
@@theaudiophilebarista2424. You didn’t know? WOW, that’s ignorant! LOl
Hoi ivar.
Leuke video en perfect uitgelegd.
Altijd de goedkope jumper plaatjes vervangen door luidspreker kabel het liefste de zelfde als die je gebruikt.
Fijn weekend.
Gr André de vries.
Precies 😉🔊☕️
Hah-hah! He explained nothing!
In the video you said that people prefer plugging the main speaker cable in the high frequency first, and then connecting the jumper to the low frequency. Could you please explain what the potential benefits of this might be ?
Hi. It is not about the order of plugging in.
There is some science that suggests that plugging the single cable into the high frequency connectors is the better option, but opinions are divided.
I guess people have to try it for themselves.
Thanks for the reply. I will give it a go.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 You guess? Wait, you present as an “expert” and your response is a guess?! What?! Some might wonder and be concerned about damaging the equipment! And you guess?!
@@zizendorf Please keep your ignorant opinions away from my channel if you don't even understand what I am saying.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 So, it’s okay for others to ask that you clarify their confusion? My question was simply, would one damage their speakers if they ran the positive to the HF and the negative to the LF terminal? Did you just label my not knowing as ignorance? Well, that’s what the word means, even though it seems you’re using it as an insult. Maybe you can’t provide the answer?
Thanks for your assistance! Best RUclips ever!
Why, when you fit the new red jumper leads are they much longer than necessary.....surely the shorter the better..... in fact the metal plates look like they are made for the job!
@@rogerwebb7501 Well, obviously the metal plates were made for that job 🤷♂️
This does not mean you can’t improve on them.
These particular red jumpers were not made by me but these cables are pretty stiff so you can’t make them much shorter
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 And in the 'making' reputable manufacturers would ensure that they are of sufficient quality.....surely! Erm, and if you doubt their ability to get this right why trust them with the 'making' of the rest of the gubbins that you can't see?!!!!
I doubt that those that espouse the use of such add-ons even know what signal current they carry!
A simple question if I may. If you plug your speaker cables into the top (tweeter) terminals, what signal current is carried by the jumpers?
No answer to my reasonable question yet!
@@rogerwebb7501 I guess you did not understand the part where I answered you 🤷♂️
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 Ah, not my original question, but the one in my later post asking what would be conveyed by the jumpers if you plugged your speaker cables into the tweeter terminals. What I want know is, does the whole signal pass through the jumper, as it does through the speaker wire?
Those flat metal jumpers should be OK so long as they made from non-ferrous metal. Just test them with a magnet, if is sticks then change them.
I tried he magnet. They stick a little bit.
And OK is not good enough for audiophiles off course 😉
Thanks for your comment 👍🔊☕️
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 Hah-hah, you, an audiophile? You can’t even explain your own topic!
@@zizendorf You now commented 3 times on things I was not even talking about.
Your ignorance is showing.
@@theaudiophilebarista2424 Right, you already explained that you don’t know what you’re talking about and you don’t know what the word ignorant means. You use it as an insult when viewers ask questions.
Further, since your reading comprehension is pathetic , I will reiterate; you contradicted your own video. You stated it wasn’t about bi-wiring and then the rest of the video is about bi-wiring.
Plug the positive red wire to the upper red plug & the negative black wire to the lower black plug for best results! A Set of high-quality jumper cables, such as Audience Front Row will absolutely outperform any other cable!
Explain why this would make any difference?
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 the high frequency signal is very delicate and prone to distortion because of connections. This is one less connection that would go directly to the high frequency crossover.
@@mikeeygauthier2959
Have you got any links to any evidence that connecting like this lessens distortion or improves the sound in any way at all?
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 I tried this myself, and I found a significant improvement. This was advised to me by many of the local are you guys. Have you tried this?
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 after the advice of many, I did try this and it did make a difference.
Absolutely useless to bi-amp
I think you mean bi wire