How to Negotiate Your Federal Salary in the Tentative Job Offer
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2022
- This video explains how to negotiate the benefits of your tentative job offer. The first, and most important thing to do when you get the TJO is accept it. You can then negotiate everything after you accept. This video covers how to negotiate a higher step, more leave, and incentives if applicable.
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Just wanted to let you know- I received a step increase after I signed my firm offer.
I submitted negotiation letter to HR and hiring manager. HR said no and sent me firm offer that same day.
Hiring manager called me about 10 days later to tell me it was getting approved. I point out I had signed final offer and she said no big deal, it’s just a couple documents on HRs end.
👍🏽 thanks for all the advice Sir.
You're welcome! That can happen on occasion. As long as it's approved before EOD.
As always, thank you so much for the video. I followed your advice regarding negotiations when I returned to the government 3 years ago. Without your advice, I would have never known I could negotiate. I was so fortunate. In the tentative offer, they offered me a step 1. I asked for a higher step - not a particular step - but they came back with the Step 10 offer. The salary was still lower than my private sector salary, but like you’ve said, the Step 10 is the highest they can offer. I was so appreciative. Thank you so much!!!
You're very welcome! That's awesome they offered you the step 10!! Thank you for all your support 🙂
Wow, sounds like you have a desirable skill set.. nice work? From what I understand, you will never go back in steps, so each pay grade increase you are automatically at the max pay for that position, yes?
@@LeaderRakkasan actually, every time you go up a grade your step goes down.
@Jo Ann Akers how did you propose the negotiation? I am trying to negotiate for a higher step now.
Congratulations. If you dont mind me asking, you said you did not ask for a specific step, but what did you ask for? Did you ask for a specific salary? Also, I am currently a civilian and I have my very first TJO as a step 1. Any recommendations when negotiating?
These videos are great!
Thank you! Glad they help!
I appreciate you making these videos! Thanks!
You're very welcome!
Thanks for all the advice and responses to questions! Beyond helpful and informative!
You're very welcome!
Thanks for the primer on negotiating initial salary and time off. This was very specific and helpful.
You're very welcome!
This awesome video really came right on time for me! Please don't go anywhere.
Thank you!
Thanks to you, I was able to Negotiate 2 step increases. Thanks so much for your help.
You're very welcome!!
Very good information and beneficial. Thanks for all that you do. I am very appreciative.
You're very welcome!
Your videos are really good, so thank you for posting. You may want to consider some audio leveling though because your volume level is way lower than the ads. Blew my ears out when the first ad popped up.
Thank you! I'll see what I can do about the audio.
Hey Kasey, I went on your website and I purchased the consultation and sent an email. I am hoping that you received it. Thank you for this!
Yes ma'am! I'll be able to respond this afternoon.
Thank you for providing this information, extremely helpful. I’d recently read somewhere that if you’re within your initial probationary period (first 12 months) of your first appointment, and you receive a TJO from another agency for a higher grade, then you could still potentially negotiate the steps to ensure it exceeds your current compensation.
You're welcome! If you get promoted internally they set pay using the 2 step rule. A promotion should already exceed your current pay.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you! I’m actually anticipating a TJO from another agency outside of the one In which I’m currently working. The good news is, it’s for a GS level higher than the GS level I’m currently at. I’m as step 10 in my current GS level, I’m just hoping the TJO pays more than what I currently make, if not I’ll need to negotiate if possible.
Increasing the volume of when recording will definitely enhance these videos.
Thanks for the feedback!
Thank you so much for providing this valuable information. I am retired Army Colonel within the Medical Field and considering a GS position. I receive an AD retirement, but had a break in service where I worked as a civilian full time for ten years before coming back onto AD. Will HR consider the ten years of full time work as a credit toward calculating step increase and leave ? Cheers!!
If it was federal civilian service it will definitely count towards leave. Steps are based on the waiting period of a specific grade so probably won't count. The clock would start once you start your GS grade.
Jeeze man, if only I had come across your videos last year. My HR rep. Told me that negotiations don’t happen in government, so I could either take it or leave it… 😑 lol
Hahaha yea, there's alot of secrets in government hiring.
I really appreciate all the videos, very informative. Do you have any template of step increase request for new hires that you can share with me, please? TIA
You're welcome! Just send me an email.
Thank you so much for providing this video. Beyond helpful and has given me the necessary tools to help negotiate my TJO! Much appreciated!! I have a few questions regarding the response to HR. First, should I request to negotiate all items at once (if planning to negotiate steps, leave, and incentives)? Also, should I have all of the "justification" research done at the time of submission or wait till they respond? Finally, how can I find out if the position is considered a "hard to fill or high turnover?" The position I received an offer for was open for 20 days. Thanks again for all of your videos!
You're welcome! You will just need some justification to ask about negotiating. If they are interested then you can provide more details. You would ask about all at once.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Thank you again! Just to be clear (I know you said this in your video), you can negotiate AFTER you've accepted the tentative offer? The link I've received states, "Please indicate your acceptance of the conditions of employment by electronically providing your response to the offer below..." To me, that is saying I accept the salary and other benefits stated in the TJO. Is this standard language, or is my TJO different, and would I lose my ability to negotiate after selecting the "Accept" option on the TJO?
@@tmoss3434 that's accepting the conditions of employment like the physical, background check, etc. I always recommend accepting the TJO before negotiating.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Great! One last question...Are negotiated categories (steps and leave group) reviewed independently from one another? For instance, if I am attempting to negotiate a higher step based on prior superior experience and they do not accept, does that automatically mean they will not consider the prior experience for negotiating a higher leave group? I realize negotiating a higher step is more difficult to approve than a leave group, and I don't want to blow my chance at negotiating a higher leave group. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
@@tmoss3434 they are 2 different forms and are reviewed differently. Actually steps are more common than leave groups. For steps it's more flexible but leave is granted time based on experience already spent in a similar position. You only get to count that time so it may or may not move you to the next leave group.
I can't thank you enough for all the videos and for taking the time to answer all our questions. Do you have any template of step increase request for new hires that you can share with me, please? I received the TJO for GS-12/1 and have already completed all the onboarding steps including fingerprint, e-QUIP, and drug screening. And I'm hoping it is not too late to negotiate the step.
Thank you again for you time and consideration.
You're very welcome! Just send me an email. It's not too late until you actually start.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 hey I was wondering if u can email me an template
Thank you for the information. I recently accepted the TJO. I would to know at what point should I negotiate for a higher step? Also, do you have an email template I can use?
Thank you for your advise!
You can negotiate anytime after the TJO. Just email me for the template.
Informative videos. I’d like to request the salary negotiation template and leave/pto negotiation template, if there is one Thank you!
Thank you! Send me an email.
@@federalhiringadvice1385Could I get a copy as well please? Thank you!
Thanks for this and all of your other videos. I recently talked with a recruitment specialist about how incentives would be paid out, and she told me that it was only paid out as a lump sum up front. This is the VA, and it's for Title 38 pay position. Is there anywhere in a policy or in federal regulations that explicitly allows for the recruitment incentive to be distributed in biweekly payments?
It is up to the facility director to approve how an incentive is paid. Biweekly payments would be an option if approved by the facility director.
I was just offered a VA job. Going to try to get a few steps up. This helped alot.
Awesome! Wish you luck!
Thank you for this video! What does FLP mean and what does Location Negotiable After Selection mean?
You're welcome! FPL is full performance level which is the highest grade the position goes.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you!
@@ms.kalico4489 you're welcome!
Thank you for your videos! I am hoping to get a TJO with the VA. I was wondering if you would be able to send me the template for negotiating steps. Thank you!
Just send me an email.
what is your email? thank you
Thank you for this video! You mentioned that a Medically retired military member may get credit toward a leave bracket. Do you have any reference to help me find that? I may not qualify since my medical retirement was after I was retirement eligible. Medically retired @ 27 yrs.
You're welcome! If it was after retirement then you wouldn't be able to count it. Basically anything after you met the requirements for normal retirement wouldn't count. If you have combat time there is a form HR can have you complete to count those periods though.
Hi Kasey thank you for this video. Very insightful. Would it help to request a higher step if the job description (GS7) asked only for a BA degree but one has a Master's degree as well? Would that be a good enough reason to ask? I also sent you an email for the template, please be on the lookout. Thank you!
You're welcome! Anything extra from the minimum requirements could be considered. Never hurts to ask!
Thank you so much for these videos! I just had an interview where I checked the box to be considered for GS positions for 11-14. Reading the requirements for each one I feel my experience states these qualifications clearly, however, I was disqualified for GS 13/14 positions but retained for 11/12. Should I get a tentative job offer, would it be in bad taste or out of line to ask for GS 12 step 10 or GS 13 step 6, to meet my current salary?
Take a deep breath. Thanks for reading through that. 😅
Haha you're very welcome! If you get an offer the 13 will be off the table since you were rated ineligible. You could ask for more steps at the 12 based on your qualifications. Picking the step to match your current salary would be a good start. If the position listed grades up to the 14 then that should be a career ladder so you'd promote a grade per year to the 14 also.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 I’m in this same situation. My current salary is well above the GS step 10. What do you recommend in this case?
@@itsmomoclockwithaliciarene376 the step 10 is the highest that can be set. If you exceed that there won't really be any options.
Thanks for the great advice!
Question: Should one reply to the HR email containing the TJO with the requests to negotiate, or is there a step in the process specified for negotiations? I'm wondering, in a practical sense, how you actually submit that request.
Also, how soon after you receive your TJO should you ask about negotiations?
You're welcome! You should ask HR about negotiating as soon as you accept the TJO. There isn't a negotiating phase because if you don't ask HR won't offer. You have until the firm offer to negotiate but if you wait until the end it will delay your start date.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Thank you!
@@elizabethc.6353 You're welcome!
Do they prefer email or call for negotiation?
@@henny00fam Email.. always get it in writing
Thank you for the information. I recently accepted the TJO. I would like to negotiate the salary based on what i currently make now in the same state/field just a non-federal job. Can you please email me the template I can use?
Thank you for your advise!
You're welcome! Send me an email.
Thanks for the video. I wish you would differentiate between retired active duty and retired reserves. There are a few differences.
You're welcome! That is a good point! I'll make a note to work on a video about those differences.
For 20 yr mil retirees, is combat time the only way to increase leave accrual? If you have say 15+ years (mil) experience directly related to the position, is that something that a retiree could justify similar to private sector experience?
Great video!
Thank you! Usually that's the only way. You could always ask though. The military retirement is usually the offset for some of those benefits.
Thank you for this video! So do I choose 'yes' or 'contact me' to the TJO even if I don't want the starting grade? Also, is there a template for the negotiation?
You're welcome! I'd click yes. I do have a template. Email me at kasey@federalhiringadvice.com and I'll send it to you.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 This video was very helpful. Would I be able to get that template too?
@@LadySanya80 just shoot me an email
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Kasey I am going to send you an email could you please share the template for salary negotiations?
@@allexisunderwood you bet! I'll look for your email.
Hi thank you for the video. I apologize if I missed where you answered this question. I just accepted a TJO and was offered a recruitment incentive. Am I able to negotiate the contract length? They want 2 years and I would rather have 1 year.
You're welcome! You can always ask for a shorter service period and they may accept. If not you can ask for biweekly payments and that way it doesn't really lock you in. With biweekly payments if you leave early you don't have to pay anything back you just don't get anymore payments.
Hey, interesting video! Is there an specific format to write the negotiarion details or a simple e-mail is enough?
To request to negotiate it doesn't have to be anything fancy. Simple email or even phone call with HR should get you started. If they are interested they'll ask you for specific info for the justification peice and route for approval.
Great, thank you!
@@Todayiwasthinking-q7f you're welcome!
Thank you for this video! Question - the salary range listed on the announcement is different from the pay scale and locality rate. Which salary will the hiring manager use?
You're welcome! It would have to be from the actual scale if it is different. HR can't manually type salaries. It's automatically populated when the grade and step are entered.
@@federalhiringadvice1385, Interesting question, and I also have the same one. I'm currently interviewing for a position offering a pay scale & Grade of a GS-13 for three possible locations (Baltimore, Boston, and NYC). The Salary listed on the announcement indicates a range between $124,283 - $164,862. The confusing part to me is that the starting range, $124,283 is not reflective of any GS-13 step in any of those locations per the locality salary table (it's between a step 4 and 5 of all locations). While the upper end of the range, $164,862, is well beyond any GS-13/step 10 salary and would be pushing into a GS-14/step 8 range (again, the actual $164,862 figure is not represented on any of the locality salary tables). Is it possible to have this type of error? If so, would any potential TJO be based on the job announcement salary range, or would it revert to the actual locality pay scale rate? Thank you for all the great content! It's been an incredible source of aid throughout this process!!!
@@tmoss3434 so when posting pay for a job announcement especially over multiple grades or areas the range is the step 1 of the lowest scale to step 10 of the highest scale. If selected your pay would be set based on the locality you get selected for. An error on an announcement wouldn't be honored on an offer. Really appreciate your feedback!
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Thank you very much for the response! What you've said makes perfect sense, but that's what's throwing me off with this announcement. They are only offering the position at one grade, which is a 13. The locality low for a GS-13 step 1 is in Boston at $110,798, and the high for step 10 is in NYC at $149,651. No correlation with the announcement range between $124,283 - $164,862. Obviously, I hope there is something I'm missing, and if I'm fortunate enough to get a TJO, the offer will be more aligned with the announcement range and not simply the lower pay of a 13/step 1...wishful thinking!
@@tmoss3434 you're welcome! Yea, your pay will be set for your area. The tables are built into our HR program so it won't let them pay you wrong.
Thank you for sharing this information. I recently retired and I am in the process of being referred for two DA Civilian positions at the same time. They are moving approx 2 weeks a part. And I acknowledge I am not receive a tentative offer for both positions, but I would rather be armed with the information just in case. The fist position is a lower pay grade and I am highly qualified for the position. The second position is a higher pay grade (less certainty). If I accept the tentative offer for the first position (lower pay grade) and start the step negotiation, leave, and other pre-employment stuff; will I still be able to continue the interview/referral process for the second position? Can I continue until I accept the "final offer" with the first position?
You're welcome! Yea you can accept multiple offers at one time. So you can start the lower grades process and if you get the offer for the higher can then decline the first offer. You can decline all the way up to your start date.
Thank you so much for your very informative videos, Kasey! I interviewed for a GS-9 - GS-12 position and received a TJO for GS 10-1. I'm glad to have been offered a higher Pay Grade however, the salary is still below what I was previously making from my non-Federal job so I want to negotiate the Pay Step. I'm nervous to negotiate because I was laid off and currently unemployed anyways but no harm in asking, right? However, I have no idea how to even start the convo. Do I provide a specific Pay Step that's close to what I was making or should I leave it open? Do you happen to have an email template I can use? The link on your website is not working :( Thank you so much for your advise!
You're welcome! Definitely no harm in asking. I think I just emailed the template to you.
Sorry to cut in the conversation, but could I get that template as well ?@@federalhiringadvice1385 I really appreciate this information and all the help you have provided for us. It has been super helpful!
@@federalhiringadvice1385 can i also get the template please?
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Hi! Where can I find this template? Thanks for your video, it was very helpful. I'll be receiving a TJO soon and I'm nervous about the negotiation process.
@@biancasicich7898 I just responded to your email.
Thank you for this video! Apologies in advance if someone already asked this: I just received a tentative offer for a GS-7 position. Do I email them back accepting the tentative offer and signing the attached documents and then only after they reply ask to negotiate salary, or do so all in my initial acceptance email? Thanks!
You're welcome! I recommend accepting the TJO before trying to negotiate. If you are emailing back to accept then you can include your interest in a higher step.
Thank you for your response! Is there any particular language that you recommend when “showing interest in a higher step?” - i.e. how to introduce the idea that I want a higher step to the HR rep?
@@Fruitman1897 you're welcome! There isn't any certain language. Higher steps are based on superior qualifications so maybe something introducing your experience and what you think it's worth.
...very useful. How do unions help federal employees?
They just ensure management follows proper procedures.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Do you think it's worth the money to join the union?
My apologies! I have an off-topic I'm hoping you can help answer. If I accept a TJO and move forward with the hiring process. Am I required to wait until the probationary period is up before being considered for another federal role? I recently received a TJO and I'm working through several thought processes. Thank you!
No problem! For first appointments you just have a 90 day wait. You won't be able to promote for a year though.
Excellent presentation! I have a question, any help you can offer would be appreciated! I left as a 13-6, seven years later they are recruiting me back to my previous position. Why are they trying to tell me that my pay will be comparable to what I make now as a Professor? Shouldn’t I come back as a 13-6? I was there 3 years?
Thank you! Since you had a break in service they could do a couple things. They could set you at the step that paid the same as when you left, that's highest previous rate, or set you back to step 6, that's maximum payable rate, or they could do above minimum entrance rate and try to set you higher using the experience you gained after leaving. No matter what pay can't exceed the step 10 though.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you! I really appreciate your input, especially when it comes to negotiation. I was trying to cert as a 14, but am one year short of experience (Associate Professor for at least a year). My colleague (that is trying to get me back) said I could flip to a 14 after my probation period. I’ll believe that when I see it. I just want to make sure I’m making at least what is presently 13/6.
@@kristen1441 you're very welcome! Yea, you could promote after a year but just wouldn't be a guarantee.
Thanks for this most helpful and detailed guidance! I left civilian service in August as GS 13, step 2. I just accepted a final offer at a difference agency, and was approved for a step 2. My question is does the step 2 within grade time reset now or does it carry over from my last federal service position? I held the step 2 at my last agency for 10 mos. Does that mean that I can request within grade/step increase after a few more mos. or do I need to wait until a mid year performance review or should I try to negotiate to a step 3 prior to my start date? Also, I have 4 years performing the specific duties of the position at this new agency and GS 13 is the max promo potential.
You're welcome! For these questions you'll have to work with your HR POC. I think there could be flexibility to continue the time served to step 3 except you will have to have a fully successful mid year before you could get step 3. With that long of a break in service you could potentially be eligible to negotiate your step and with the 4 years experience could definitely ask.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you! 🙏🏾
Last question: are civilian employees eligible for the increase to 6 hours of leave per pay period and, if so, is it automatic upon rejoining federal service or should I also ask/request this? I don’t see info on that in the FJO.
@@krysie_rose you're welcome! You'll want to make sure they know you were a former federal employee so they can give you credit for your previous time. All federal time counts towards your service computation date for leave. They will also have to request your eOPF.
Regarding the Two-Step Promotion Rule, what is the correct step if I'm going from an 11/8 with 999B rest of US special pay to a 12 rest of US w/o special pay? Thanks again
That's a good question. Because of the special rate it might be calculated differently. Possibly using HPR so you don't lose money.
Thanks for the informative video. I have question… can you request to go from leave group 1 to leave group 3? Or can you only request the next highest leave group?
You're welcome! You can't request a specific leave group but you can request to have your directly related private sector time counted towards your service computation date. That date determines your leave group. Group 3 is 15 years.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you your video was very helpful with my recent negations. I requested a step increase & higher leave group on a tentative offer. Hopefully it’s approved.
@@geenona-vq4xk you're very welcome! Glad I could help! Have to let me know how it goes.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 will do
Is it possible to negotiate if you have previous federal experience in a different area but at a higher grade and step (10 years) and you have had a break in service (more than a year)? Example: I was a GS12 step 5; the position I am being offered is a GS 9 step 1. I have 10 years of federal service with a 5-year break in services. Great video by the way!
Thank you! You should be able to ask for highest previous rate which is where they would set your pay to what you were making before. So move the step out to the one at the same dollar amount as the 12 step 5 when you held it.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Thank you. Since my previous pay exceeds step 10 at the GS-9 level, that is what I should ask for correct? The GS-9 step 10, instead of step 1? I have been looking for a negotiation letter template for federal jobs. Do you know where I can find one? I truly appreciate your help.
@@RoseGold79 that's right! 10 is the most you can get. I have a template I can share if you send me an email. My address is the details of the video.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Done. Email sent. Thank you so much.! I appreciate your guidance.
@@RoseGold79 you're welcome! I'll reply later today.
Hi Kasey.
I'm sorry to see your other page was hacked. I have a question about pay ranges and whether you can negotiate those ranges. If the pay range is $36,118-$58,158, and I am being interviewed at the GS6 level, will I be able to negotiate the pay, or does that mean I am not qualified for any higher pay? Also do you know what GS6 pay would be? It's for a position with the US Attorney's Office as a Legal Assistant OA. I have an associates degree in Paralegal Studies, a bachelor's degree and a national certification as a CP (certified paralegal).
Thanks for your help.
Thank you for your support! Slowly rebuilding everything. On the pay it looks like the range from step 1 to step 10 for the GS-6 but not updated with the latest locality. Here is the link to the RUS pay scale...www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/salary-tables/22Tables/html/RUS.aspx
The TJO will almost always be at the step 1. After you accept the TJO you can request a higher step. They will have to consider your request and submit for approval if they are interested. It's not a guarantee though.
The range listed ia usually the range between stepa 1-10. So if you will be starting at step 1, i would suggest you assume the low end of that range.
So I got my TJO a several weeks ago and just completed background investigation form.
Should I send negotiation letter to the HR specialist that sent me TJO or the Hiring Manager that he listed in the TJO? I know what you said in the video, but I have both of their contact info, so I'm just clarifying.
Thanks for everything.
Also, who should I address the letter to? Hiring manager by name, HR assistant by name? To whom it may concern? Thanks.
So anytime would be good to send your request for a higher step to the HR POC. You can address it to that person. They will work as the middle man for you in the process.
Do you have any information regarding the NH pay scale and how to negotiate it? Or is it the same? TIA
I'm not very familiar with NH. Might be a pay band. My understanding is pay bands are alot easier to negotiate and don't follow the same rules as GS.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Thank you for the reply. The salary range listed was $39K-94K. They offered 49K, which I think is extremely low. Do you think they expect me to negotiate?
@@fortunateson2 you're welcome! HR is always going to offer on the lower end by policy. Definitely ask about negotiating, especially if you currently make more than what was offered.
Hi-
Can I be provided the template to follow to ask for a step increase ?
Send me an email
I just received my tentative offer for a GS9, with just about 3 years of direct military experience for the job. Is it ridiculous to ask for the highest step possible? I’m just trying to get a good idea of where to start with what step to ask for.
You can ask for what you want and see how they respond. They'll either say yes, no, or counter with a lower step.
I’m currently pregnant and due the 1st week of Jan. I haven’t provided USA gov job of my start date. Is possible to start the job in a few weeks and go on maternity leave? Is there any room for any benefits in regards to maternity leave and pay? Also would I be able to get the template for negotiations for salary / incentives/ time?
Congratulations! Send me an email for the template. I don't think you are eligible for paid parental leave until you've been on for a year. You could use any leave you've earned and also leave without pay.
I got a question about leave negotiations: I served in the military for four years. This justifies my jump to the 6 hour leave bracket. And I jave been in the industry for 12 years and I have a BS degree in the field I work in. Would this justify me asking for the 8 hour leave bracket? (First time as a GS employee)
Your military time does automatically count, but nonfederal time has to be directly related to be requested to count towards leave.
How much does 24 years of active service allow for leave?
Question sir, what happens if you are hired as a new hire at step 3-6. The second year after being appraised, will you get a raised or will they make you wait 2-3 years interval?
You have to wait out the step waiting periods. So if you are hired at a step 4, then you won't ge a step for 2 years. Same with step 7, the next step is a 3 year wait.
Hi - I am currently not in the federal position. I am waiting on my firm offer. I have travel that I cannot move that will occur, expected to be about 4-6 weeks after I start. Will I still be able to take this travel?
Since the travel is after your start date you will need approval from your supervisor. You won't have enough leave built up by then so you'll have to take leave without pay or request advanced leave. Be sure to let your supervisor know as soon as you can.
I have a master's degree in global strategic communications, undergrad in advertising and political science. Received a TO for an 1102 Pathways program at a GS-7 step 1. I have work/internship experience but only loosely related (advertising, HS teaching, retail management). Do you think I would have any success trying to negotiate a higher step in the GS-7 level?
Since every case is different it never hurts to ask. Just run it by your HR POC to see if they will entertain the negotiation.
Update?
I got a TJO for 1102 at GS-07.
I requested a step 4 and got it. I only have 6 graduate hours so far but have 10 years of military- leadership and management experience.
I just had a wierd situation. It was a job opening for two different gs levels on the same announcement. I was referred for the higher on but not the lower one. Usually the opposite. Even bro said they never seen that before(the lady I spoke with). Have you ever seen that?
That is a weird one. Have to see the announcement to be sure but the only thing that makes sense would be if it's open to the public and there were veterans on the lower grade and not the higher grade.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 that is what we were thinking also.
Thank you for the video! I received a TJO for a GS-5 step 1, with the full job potential being GS-7. Can I also negotiate to have them start me at a GS-7 instead of 5? I have plenty of experience and am certainly qualified for 7 (and make over GS-7 step 10 salary). Do they just begin with the lowest possible offer? Thanks for any help, and would you be able to share the template if I email you?
The grade is based on the certificate used. If you weren't referred for the GS-7 then you can't negotiate it. If you send an email I can give the template.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 wow thank you for the fast reply, and I emailed you about the template!
I am trying to find information on referrals/certificates to better understand your answer. I applied through usajobs, rather than being referred. The application had me answer if I qualified for GS-5, 6, and 7. Essentially, are you saying that they already determined I would only qualify for 5, and that I don't have a further chance to explain GS-7 qualifications to them?
Thanks for the reply, I'm just super confused by the GS-5 offer since I have 4x the years of specific experience they required for the GS-7 level of the same position
@@JohnM-ux4ys when you apply through usajobs all applicants are reviewed for qualifications and referred to the hiring manager on certificates. You have to be referred on a certificate to be eligible for that grade. There is a notice of referral that should have gone out to let you know what grades you were referred for.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thanks! They never sent one or posted one on USA jobs that I could find, they just emailed me to set up an interview, did that, then sent the TJO. I guess I'll just try to see if I can ask HR about the referral if I get the chance to talk to them. Thanks again!
@@JohnM-ux4ys you're welcome! Let us know what happens!
Great video! I received a TJO that was well below what I was expecting. I was told by the HR Assistant to not decline or accept but to select to receive a call back and note the reason. I typed up a great memo that mentioned my gratitude but was expecting x amount and hoping we could work together to hit my target. The Assistant called me back the next day and said her Supervisor wants me to do my on-boarding next week and will discuss once that is completed. Is this normal? Why spend money to have me complete on-boarding without them receiving an official acceptance from me? I have never had to negotiate salary but what they offered would cause me to take a step back in pay to what I'm making now outside a government job.
There is a request to be contacted option but generally would need to accept before negotiating. Some people report being told to decline before they will negotiate which is definitely a no.
I received a TJO and the job posting states that relocation and PCs is possible. Was told to generate a memorandum on why I should move. I live in Hawaii while the job offer is in Houston. How likely will the process and approve a PCS for this offer ?
If it's in the announcement it's possible. Just have to work with the HR POC for processing.
I have another question, when i applied the position was a temp and term of 13 months. I noticed yesterday that there was a job posting with the same job but as a permanent position. Do you think it would look bad if I applied for that permanent position or would i be able to negotiate from this term to that permanent position ? @@federalhiringadvice1385
Is it possible to get an email template? I don’t see one on your website.
Have to send me an email
Can you negotiate for salary/step and leave credits for job experience in the past? I mean, not currently working but had job experience in the past under a similar job.
You can only negotiate on your first appointment or after a break in service. Experience could be from anytime.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you.
@@ceuser3555 you're welcome!
I interviewed for a job at hud months ago. Still waiting on a decision. If they take this long to get back to you is it even wise to negotiate for more hours or steps for wages. What if you put in the request and they just rescind and move on to someone else. Also is it true thay no matter your experience in the private sector lets say 15 to 20 years you always start at step one as a government employee. When interviewed i was under gs14. So i would be regardless of my years gs 14-1
They can't rescind an off for you just asking to negotiate. They can say no but that's about it. And yes, by policy step 1 is always the first offer and anything higher requires approval.
How do you determine what step level should you negotiate for? Is there a formula? Is it based on the years or hours of experience worked?
There isn't really much of a formula. Applicants just ask for what they want and provide the justification. It is based on superior qualifications or needs of the service.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 it’s going to be tough to ask then, because less than 15 years of experience, you could probably not ask for step 10. Thank you for the information.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 unlike the leaves where it is more straight forward and categorized/grouped by 3 tiers.
@@ceuser3555 exactly! Leave is based solely on years of federal service. The exception is if non-federal service is directly related then you can ask for credit but that goes through the same approval process.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you. I wish the criteria was more transparent though. Is it possible to just point out your hours/years worked and let them decide which step to place you? Or would it be better if you pick the step yourself, aiming high(aim for the highest) and let them decide? Either way, the ball is not in my hands. It’s like an illusion of a choice really.
The CFR and OPM state the two step rule is "no less than two steps..." why couldn't a current federal employee negotiate for more than two steps?
That would be up to the interpretation of the policy. Definitely something to ask the HR office about.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Thanks. Always interpretation. I wasn't sure if there was a specific regulation limiting to 2 steps
@@jonb4827 you're welcome! I don't know of a policy that allows more but now I'm curious.
Can you request a higher grade level if perhaps you were not detailed enough in your job duties? Or can you only request a higher step?
It would just be steps. If you weren't found eligible for a grade you can't make updates after the announcement closes.
For a GS-7 auditor position with a tentative job offer, should I negotiate a higher step soon after accepting it? As a recent college graduate with only internship experiences, is it likely that I would be successful for higher step within my starting grade? Doing research, entry-level auditor average salary is a bit higher than what step 1 of GS-7 is. I am sure I can get higher salaries with a couple private companies.
If you only meet the minimum requirements the odds aren't very likely. Higher steps are based on superior qualifications. Got your email and will send the template shortly.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 The current offer is pretty low compared to the market value for entry-level auditors. If you have higher salary offers (10K) in other places, will the federal government still not budge & not care about trying to match your higher offers?
@@federalhiringadvice1385 In my situation, is it smart to negotiate salary after accepting tentative job offer?
@@772577Mario I always recommend accepting the TJO before negotiating salary. If you have a higher offer you can present that as justification for your request.
I am past my TJO and just got the official job offer. I do not have an official start date yet so would I have room to negotiate still?
You can negotiate up to your start date.
HR sent me a email back instructing what to provide as far as documentation for AMR. They also mentioned a template in appendix D should be used for requesting an AMR. Any idea where appendix D is located?
They should send you that appendix. You wouldn't have a way of finding it. You may ask for them to provide.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Excellent I will do just that. Thank You!
@@keanuwick8485 you're welcome!
Thank you so much for your video. I got a tentative offer for GS-12 step 1, but since I have over 20 years of experience, I would like to negotiate salary and vacation. I didn't use the link in the offer email to accept the offer, because I was afraid if I accept it I won't be able to negotiate. I sent email to the hiring team and got email from them stating that my email request suffices as the response that they need for now. I hope I did the right think not to use the link in the offer. However, I have no idea how to start the negotiation conversation, what to say. Any examples would be greatly appreciated. Would you mind sending me email template I can use? Thank you so much for your advise!
I usually recommend accepting the offer then negotiating. Just send me an email and I can send you the template.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 do you mean my email address?
@@federalhiringadvice1385 should I provide you my email here? or there is a way for me to email you? Thank you
@@tanyag87yt my email is in the description of the video.
Hey, I wanted to know if I am transferring different agencies can I negotiate a step increase on top of the grade increase I will be getting?
You won't be able to. Your pay for a promotion will be set using the 2 step promotion rule.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Can you check your email. I sent something
Hi can I get the template for salary and leave negotiation please? Thanks
Send me an email.
Unfortunately, mine was denied. I followed all of the steps.
That does happen unfortunately. It's never a guarantee.
I have a question. I am currently a GS 11 step 8. I received a TJO for Gs 12 step 4. A coworker of mine received a TJO for a GS 12 step 5.
We're currently Gs 11 step 8. The difference is the TJO I accepeted will be overseas and my coworker accepted his position in the same section we work in.
How can I figure out if my TJO should have been a GS 12 step 4 or 5? 🤔
You'll have to check with the HR POC that issued your TJO. It could be a difference in locality or something that caused pay to be set differently.
I'm returning to federal service... left 21 years ago as a GS11 step 5 going back in as a GS9. Can I negotiate from the step I left out as? Can I negotiate to get my time back? I completed 14 years of service.
Since you were a federal employee before you can ask for either highest previous rate to match your previous federal salary if you made more before. Or since you have a large break in service could be considered for above minimum entrance rate. Just have to request consideration through your HR POC once you get the tentative offer.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Is it a possibility to get my 14 years back so I can start building from where I left off? Thanks a million for the response. I am grateful for your time.
@@lesliejones873 what do you mean? Your time will count towards your leave group and retirement. Any sick leave you had left can be restored also.
You should not go backwards. You have gained experience so why would you be rehired at a lower grade?
Hello, I was recently offered a GS12-1 in a location that pays higher due to COLA. I was recently offered a TJO for a GS-12 in another area that is about 9k lower due to the city location. Am I able to use my other job offer in a negotiation for a higher step? I would also have to relocate to that city and this particular iob offer does not any other incentives. Is relocating also something that I can use in my negotiation? Thank you!
You won't be able to use locality as a bargaining tool. Also if there were no incentives offered relocation would not be a bargaining tool either. It would be understood that you knew you'd be relocating when you applied. It has to be based on superior qualifications.
Good to know! What about using another offer as a bargaining tool?
@@CPTJimmyJamz if it's not based on locality you could try.
If I take a job as gs9, can I apply for a gs13 in the same year
You can but only as an external candidate. You'll have to meet time in grade on internal announcements.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 what does external mean? Lol
@@OohlalaHolly it means an announcement that is open to candidates that are not current federal employees.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Hi, following up on this topic, how long after starting under a GS-6 step 1 can I apply for a higher grade (external announcement) wo meeting the 1 year time?
@@CD-fo5jm if you apply externally there is no wait time as long as you meet the qualifications with external experience.
When you move into a higher grade, do they also consider the current step that you have? Will that step carry over into the new higher grade?
They do the 2 step promotion rule. Move out 2 steps at your current grade and set you where that lands on the new grade.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you.
@@ceuser3555 you're welcome!
Is it too nuts to ask for a a step 5? I have an MBA and 6+ years of direct experience in the role I was offered the tjo for. I was thinking year for year or would be step 5 if I were the in feds. My experience is other government occupations (local) and I have a letter from my former manager discussing my qualifications and experience. Is that enough?
Step 5 isn't too much. If you have the superior qualifications I'd say go for it.
If I already fall into the 3-15 years service bracket due to military service, should I still negotiate my industry experience to be included? Supposing I have 9 years of military service and 3 years of industry experience, would that mean I could potentially move to the over 15 years leave bracket sooner, after 3 years in this example?
If you already have 15 years of military service there wouldn't be a need to negotiate more. If you need private sector experience included then you'd have to negotiate. Only military time for non-retirees is automatically counted.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Well I don't have enough military service nor private sector service combined to hit fifteen years. I was wondering if getting private sector 3 years added to the military 9 years is beneficial even though it doesn't hit the 15 year mark. My reasoning is that after being hired I will reach the 15 year mark sooner if the private sector is included. Not sure it works that way though.
So we send the request for negotiation to HR first and then to the hiring manager only if HR declines the negotiation request first? Correct? I just emailed you for a template of the email to send for negotiation of salary by the way. Thanks a million sir!
That is correct! I've been having issues with my kasey@federalhiringadvice.com email so you can try federalhiringadvice1@gmail.com for now. My web servicer is working on my other email issue.
Oh ok. Thanks for the quick reply. Will do!
Just resent my email to your new email address.
Hi! I received a notice of referral/eligibility for GS-12 and GS 13, the TJO is for GS-12 Step 1, should I try to get GS-13 based on eligibility approval or try to meet the same pay level with a higher step request? Additionally, I'm in the process of an application with a different agency simultaneously, where I was referred/found eligible for GS-15 is it possible to use this referral to negotiate? Or does it not matter since its a diff agency?
If you were referred at the 13 also you can ask about being offered that grade instead. Offers for another agency don't really have an impact.
Thanks so much for responding!
@@niquewilliams5120 you're welcome!
Currently, i'm a GS-013/Step 4; I am applying for two GS-014 Positions; i received a conditional job offer, can i negotiate a salary step above minimum entrance rate? (To offset the cost of moving...)
Unfortunately when you are promoting within the federal government you can't negotiate your pay. They will set your pay using the 2 step promotion rule. This moves you out 2 steps at your current grade and then compare it to the next grade. If you are a 13 step 4 then you would be set at the 14 step 1. The positive is that you will get a step every year for the next 3 years. If incentives were mentioned in the announcement you could ask about a relocation incentive but if not there really isn't much flexibility.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Question 2: In one of the announcements the relocation incentive was mentioned, "Relocation expenses in connection with a permanent change of station may be authorized in accordance with the Joint Travel Regulations and at agency discretion". From what i read in the OPM website..... i'd like to ask for a 25% incentive--> " A relocation incentive may not exceed 25 percent of the employee's annual rate of basic pay in effect at the beginning of the service period multiplied by the number of years"..... Q. Do i qualify for this type of incentive? the information on the FAQ sheet indicates that i do qualify...... Your input is greatly appreciated.
@@andrewfuentes9785 if incentives were a part of the announcement you were selected from you can ask. 15% is the max that can be approved without higher level approval so is more likely to be granted.
Just got my TJO for a Gs12-1 position and it is about 15k less than I make now. Do I send an email back to the person who initiated the TJO with the step increase request?
Congratulations! Yea, start by asking about an AMER. Make sure you've accepted the TJO first though.
@@federalhiringadvice1385what is AMER?
Going from a 12 step 1 to another 12 step 1 (TJO), however I have obtained multiple certifications, can this be justification for a step increase?
You can always ask but there isn't an authority I'm aware of that allows for extra steps when moving internally.
I am currently a GS12-step one, I just received a TJO with a different agency for GS12-step one position. The tentative position is a GS 12-13. I am not eligible to apply for GS-13 positions until February 2023. Would it be reasonable to negotiate consideration for promotion to GS 13 90 days after my eligibility date of February 2023? Otherwise, I would have to wait a full year from my EOD date once I am hired. I am at the beginning stage of the TJO process, my confirm offer may not come until December 2022 or January 2023 which would place me just one or two months from being a GS 12 for a full year. Again, would it be reasonable to negotiate consideration for promotion to GS 13 90 days after my eligibility date of February 2023? I appreciate any help with this question.
For this situation it's not something that you can negotiate and have written into your offer. One of the requirements for promotion is a fully successful performance rating. You'll have to wait until your midyear rating and based on how you're performing could ask your supervisor to promote you early.
I may be late to this, but I wouldn't accept the offer unless somebody is there to "Look out for you". a Lateral transfer almost does nothing, but gives you more experience which in turn can open doors for you in the future....but atm it will not benefit you financially. I know this from experience.....
Hi. Thanks for this video. I am currently offered a TJO as a civilian Registered Nurse overseas. I do understand that Fed jobs typically pay lower than private jobs. When negotiating for a higher step to match my current salary, what do you recommend is the max step level reasonable to ask for?
You're welcome! I'd say to start with a step that pays at least what you currently make and then maybe a step or 2 more.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 if I look at my current pay, it is equivalent to a higher GS level plus a few steps up than what I am offered. Is this ok to ask for? Should I ask for the specific GS & Step level or ask for a specific salary amount?
@@benedictmoreno4729 you can only really negotiate steps. Definitely share that information with your HR POC.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 understood. Thank you again. By the way, i sent you an email requesting a copy of your negotiation letter template. Thanks in advance. More power to your channel!
@@benedictmoreno4729 you're welcome! I see your email now and will respond shortly.
I was interviewed for a position at Grade 12 and offered the tentative offer which way lower than what I make currently. Second thing is I was found ineligible for Grade 13 even though I have experience of more than 4 yers equivalent to Grade 13. How can I negotiate in this condition? My current salary is more than Step 10 of Grade 13 so it would be significant pay cut if I have to consider Grade 12
The best you can do is ask for a second opinion on the GS-13. If you were found ineligible you can't negotiate it. So at the 12 the highest you can go is the step 10. If they aren't able to budge you'll have to decide whether or not to accept the position.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Thank you
@@prashantpatel1734 you're welcome!
I was told to decline the TJO then submit information regarding negotiation. The HR person told me that if I accept the TJO, I am accepting the terms of that offer.
I would not recommend declining. Once you decline there is no obligation for them to negotiate.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you. That is what I assumed, which is why I asked HR directly. Her response was surprising to say the least! I don’t want to take myself out of the running. She assured me it would not but I and not so sure.
@@itsmomoclockwithaliciarene376 you're welcome!
I just got an email that I am eligible for a gs 11 and 12. I’m nervous! I’m waiting for the next step.
That's awesome! Next should be if you were referred and then possible interview.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 will I get a notification if I am referred? Thank you so much for responding and also for being a light to so many people.
@@ChattingWithMegan you're welcome! You should get an email similar to the notice of results but is called notice of referral. It will tell you what grades you were referred for.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 I’m obsessing to receive that email. I’m hopeful I will get referred for 12.
@@ChattingWithMegan fingers crossed!
Hi, I left the government last August and just interviewed for another position a week or so ago. I have a few question’s 1. Are there any times when a TJO comes in higher than a step 1 or do you always have to negotiate? 2. Since I’ve been out of federal service for almost a year, how would I be classified coming back in? (Rehire/reinstated etc). Thanks!
Step 1 is always the first offer. For former employees you can request a highest previous rate review or above minimum rate. You'd be a reinstatement.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Appreciate the response, would this still be the approach if the position I interviewed for is a higher GS grade? Thanks.
@@biancawaters3113 yes ma'am
@@federalhiringadvice1385 Hi again! Last question I promise. Not sure I fully understand the highest previous rate etc. My last position was in the competitive service and I left before the three year time period.
@@biancawaters3113 that doesn't matter. If your new position was lower than your previous position they could look at offering the step that matched your previous pay.
I received a TJO for GS 11 step 1. I asked for step 4 on Monday. Should I go ahead and accept the TJO and wait for the possible approval for step 4? I sent the Hr my reasoning and my agreement with my current employer to justify why i want step 4 since it matches my current salary.
I always recommend accepting the TJO before trying to negotiate.
@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you. I went ahead and did that. One other question. I was a govt contracted employee back in 2020 and did an extensive background investigation for that job. I had to obtain a public trust security clearance as well as sign other docs that direct hire fed employees sign. I sent my HR an email letting him know that in the event that it is worthwhile to know this info. Do you think me doing that stuff for my previous role may expediate the process a bit? I had to use eqip and do similar tasks.
@@kristinegrace_ you can definitely let them know. If you've been away from the contract position for more than a year you'll probably still have to redo it though. Your previous info may still be in the system though so that would help.
I am currently a GS12 temp promotion. I was a GS 11 step 4 prior. I just received a Tentative offer for a Permanent GS 12 with another unit. Can I negotiate pay to a higher step??? I would like to try see if the hiring manager will give me a bigger step.
You generally can't negotiate steps when you are already an employee. You'll be set where you are at the 12 now. Good news is that temp promotion time counts towards your next step and time in grade.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thanks for the info
@@christophergreene1106 you're welcome!
@@federalhiringadvice1385 I do have an update. I accepted the offer and I did try to negotiate. Civilian Personnel told me that I could not negotiate. But I got an SF50 action saying that I went back to my GS 11 step 4 ( that was my grade before the temp promotion). The. Another action putting me at GS12 step 4. Which is 3 steps higher then my temp 12 step 1. Would you know what might have happen?
@@christophergreene1106 that sounds to me like they forgot to change your step when they coded you. I'd let them know quick that you think you're being overpaid because it would get caught eventually and they'll send you a debt letter.
Question: i worked for the government years ago but it wasn't on a gs scaleI recently applied for a position and was eligible for gs 9-12. Would that apply as initial?
It would since it's been a break in service.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 awesome. Thank you so much for this information!
@@sattolbert you're welcome!
You indicate current employees can’t negotiate. So does that mean if the position is in the same grade you keep your current salary or you take what is offered?
You would keep your current step if it's the same grade.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 I was informed that you can possibly get 2 to 3 step increase within grade if position is different or a different agency. Is that not true?
@@aishaking5402 you can ask but I don't know of any policy that supports it.
Will this apply to seasonal jobs??
Yes if it is your first federal job or you've had a long enough break in service.
Tried negotiating and got nothing. Take it or leave it response. Basically starting from step 1 despite years of nongovernment experience. I think that is the trend now, the government does not negotiate. The documentation required was very thorough and all was for nothing.
My experience is that they do still negotiate as of May 2022. I know of 4 people who recently successfully negotiated salary and leave. Yes they will ask for a lot of paperwork, but it's maybe 4 to 5 hours max for salary and leave negotiation paperwork combined.
Correct! It's alot of work but my team processes these requests every day. It's just up to the hiring manager to support the request.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you. I bought the book but I misplaced it.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 How would you know if the hiring manager supports the step if you don't have communication access with them? Is there a average time that a yes or no comes back?
What about the locality pay? My current BASE salary is more than the base salary I'm being offered at a GS 12 Step 1 but with locality included the offer is more than my base salary. Can I still negotiate?
You can always ask if it's your first appointment.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you for responding. It's a little tricky transitioning from the Postal Service to the GS pay scale. The postal service doesn't pay locality at all.
@@Trina.Intuned you're welcome!
Thanks for the video! Very helpful. I have a question. Recently, I received an official offer at the beginning of a new year. During the tentative offer phase I negotiated a salary akin to my latest pay (first time fed employee) however, with the new year there has been a yearly bonus and raise period and I would like to counter the official offer with this adjustment. Your thoughts on how to proceed?
You're welcome! If you want to counter just let your HR POC know. Be aware that federal employees all got a 4.7% increase starting next pay period. It will also likely delay your start date in the reconsideration process.
I'm a GS-6 step 3 interviewing for an internship that hires between GS5-7 with a target of GS-11. If hired, will I have to drop to a GS-5 and ask for a step increase to match my current salary, or can I request to be hired as a GS-6 step 3, or even GS-7 to account for the salary difference? I'm not greedy, but I surely don't want a pay decrease.
It just depends on what grade you qualify for. If you only qualify for the 5 and you don't have a break in service they should automatically match your pay by adjusting your step.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 I received an email that said I was passed to the hiring manager, and it showed that I was eligible for GS5, 6, and 7 based on my responses to the questionnaire. I interviewed last Monday, and provided references when they called me back Tuesday after the interview. I was told I'd hear something this week but nothing yet. The job announcement says you must be willing to start NLT June 16, so they should be hiring soon. I just don't want to sound out of line if I ask to be hired as a 7 or a 6 step 3. Thanks for the reply.
The specialist on leaves specifically emailed my spouse that they only consider federal experience and not experience gained outside of federal employment for leave accrual rate. She was able to negotiate a higher step for higher pay but her leave accrual rate remained at 4 hours. After 3 years of federal employment it will be increased to 6 hours. I thought experience outside the federal government is considered? Does the policy depend on the workplace?
Nonfedreral experience can be credited but must be approved similar to a higher step. It must be their local policy to not approve extra leave.
@@federalhiringadvice1385 thank you.
@@ceuser3555 you're welcome!
By the way, they increased her salary but she remained at step one.
@@ceuser3555 that's interesting. What job and agency?