Hey Everyone! This was filmed yesterday March 22. I did two topics blended because I didn't have time to film. Then I got stuck in a super long meeting so I never got to editing. The end of the video goes over some of the disturbing audio and more details about what is going on with the dance cult. This story is literally everywhere. I just had an interview with Daily Mail today. I spoke to Business Insider last week. I've also been approached by numerous production companies. This is why I'm going to encourage you to get acquainted with what is going on with this group. My instagram has a lot of what has been uncovered thus far. Make sure to follow me over there! Also here is the article from Julie Roys on John MacArthur...It's really bad: julieroys.com/john-macarthur-church-supported-convicted-abuser-pedophile/ Katie
No worries about putting out less content. You put out more content than any other RUclipsr I follow!!! And if you think the California group is worth reporting on, then there's no doubt it'll be interesting. I'm looking forward to hearing about that group because I'm interested in learning how other people think and live. You're killing it, Katie!!
I can tell you how indoctrinated I was in 2009. My ex-husband beat me beyond recognition. He left me while I was in ICU fighting for my life to move in with his girlfriend (now wife). Our church made me write a letter to him. They coached me through what to write. It included things like promising he could keep his girlfriend and I wouldn't complain. He could keep his own money and I wouldn't complain. Right down to small things like he could drink his coffee on the porch and I wouldn't bother him. He could stay in his den and I wouldn't cross the threshold to go in there and bother him. So on and so forth. It included some disgusting other things as well. Apparently, I "bothered" him too much and that's the reason that I got beat so often. I was stupid enough to write that letter and send it (Email). I'm so thankful to this day that he read it and ignored it. The church that we attended sounded just like that woman. That is exactly how they prayed and how they prayed on me and my daughters. I have four daughters and I cannot be happier that I escaped that with them. He did not allow me to go to college. I tried one time to sign up for online classes and he smashed my laptop into a million pieces. I was allowed to work for the church and made $8.50 an hour. And that was all I was allowed to do. He spent faster than he could make it. The girls and I lived many times without running water and electricity. While he was away and spending money and eating out every night and doing whatever he wanted0kg to do. Since being away from him (13 years) I was able to go back to school and work my way up to be a physician. (NP-C Hospitalist admitting physician in an ER) All while raising four daughters.
This breaks my heart. I am so glad you got out with your girls. I'm so impressed that you were able to earn the credentials to allow you to have a wonderful career! Best wishes! ❤
@@MeganVictoriaKearns Thank you. Yes. It was a journey. My oldest daughter was my rock! I rented a small townhouse and put a Futon in the younger girls room to sleep on. I worked full time and went to school. I became an EMT, then Paramedic then RN and kept going! I graduated and finished my residency 12/2021. I’m now in my new role. I am very content. My youngest (19) is a phlebotomist, PCT and is working part time while she is in RN school. I’m beyond blessed. My 22 yr old is a manager for Lane Bryant. My oldest is a SAHM with an amazing hubby. My second oldest is a scribe for a Family Practice office and a wife and mom as well. I DID GOOD!! 🥰🥰🥰
Jill saying the girls do the cooking and cleaning while the 'boys do more of the outside 'manly' work' in the opening clip was downright puke-worthy 🤢🤮
Probably not. There was one clip I saw where Moochelle said she was grateful for the older girls to take care of the little ones because she ( Moochelle) liked to sleep in....
Helping out is one thing. Kids clean their own rooms, bring laundry to the laundry room, laying out frozen food to thaw or something. The Duggar girls weren't helping out. They were Mom's maids so she could be joyfully available.
@@mariawilcox3237 I don't mean to be mean, but, that's like asking what's wrong with Scientology. It's to much information for a quick answer. You will have to do some googling. It's there.
I take _huge_ exception to girls have to do the housework (and child care) and boys have to do the outside "manly" work. I know a couple who does this and their daughter got stuck with most of the work. The boys had to mow the lawn once in a while while Catherine had all these "jobs" inside the house. Couples today often divide the work pretty equally and both genders will step in with any kind of work that needs to be done. We should not divide chores into "women's work" and "men's work" as that is harmful.
That’s very true! My parents didn’t do that and it prepared my brother and I to be self sufficient. I mow the yard, paint the decks, unclog stopped up drains, built a storage bench, just started building a storage shed etc. My husband does the dishes, wash clothes, help homeschool when needed, cook, sew, work 5 12 hour shifts, and help build things around the house. He can cook a cake better than me lol 😂. I’m raising my daughter to learn to do everything. Children need these lessons before going off on their own. It also teaches them to be great partners in a relationship. If I got sick I know my husband can jump in with no problem. Now he may do it differently but he get it done. I got sick for a week and he had to homeschool. I told my daughter to go easy on daddy he’s doing his best. I felt bad for him that week because he had a flat on the way to do a grocery haul lol 😂. My daughter called me while he was changing the tire on the highway lol. He definitely appreciates me a lot more. He was ready to go back to work lol 😂!
I don’t like calling things “women’s work” and “men’s work.” All of those jobs are called ADULT WORK. And everyone should learn how to do them regardless of being male or female.
That's how it was in the 80s and prior. My husband's family is just like this!! My husband had my oldest son outside with him and My daughter had to do most of the cooking and cleaning. My youngest son helped us now and then. I'm a T/ 10 paraplegic. I was cleaning up after able bodied people (( some of our family and friends)). We also ALWAYS had people staying with us. Wayne and Randy were 17 and 18. Plus nieces and nephews on holidays, Teacher work days and also all summer long. I would NEVER, EVER do it again !!!! Way too much work!!What's worse was that we always had to cook tea .....every single day. Well my oldest son is in prison now and my daughter can't stand her dad. Well, Really, all 3 of them.
From my experience with one of my loved ones. The federal system doesn’t care where they live. They move them all over the place often. The judge may not say which federal prison that he is remanded too. They will move him on very short notice. Most likely, Anna will not know that he has been moved until after he is moved. The do this for the protect of the inmates and for security preposes. They may start him out in maximum and then see how the other inmates respond and then though out the years they may lower his security levels. But he will never be placed on lower security levels, because of his charges.
I work in a county jail that houses federal (feds) prisoners. They are constantly being moved around. Housing feds is a huge money maker for our county jail. Oh, one more thing. The feds have THOUSANDS of dollars in their inmate account. More than I have in my bank account!
I personally have followed a couple of these dancers for years and had NO idea what was going on until I saw your first video bc I watch your channel for the duggars and browns. Thank you for including this! I'm super vested.
Continue with the 7M it is important. I wasn't interested in sister wives but you made it interesting and they aren't nearly as important. Saving people from these cults in important.
Thanks for adding more info on the dance cult on this video. I have a better sense of what's going on and why I should listen to more about it. (and thanks for all of your videos!)
There are huge gaps in the supply chain. We’ve been waiting on parts, fixtures, etc. for months. We don’t want to be forced into other items. We will wait. Our renovation is not nearly as large as Jessa’s.
Hahaha when you said about people announcing there pregnancy right after they .......find out, I thought you where going to say “ right after they conceive “ I nearly chocked on my corn flakes lol
I can see where the music playing and the woman speaking praise to the leader can draw people in and create an energy field that brings out an emotional response from the people attending. They are using that tactic to their advantage.
My guess is that the renovation is taking longer than normal due to supplies not being available. This has been a big issue (as we all know) but who knows 🤷♀️
The speaking in tongues issue is correct. There is supposed to be an interpreter to explain God’s message to people. No praise of man; interpretation for instruction. It’s a cult Katie Joy. Sad these people are falling for this crap. I’m not really interested but thank you for continuing to investigate this matter. People ought to know what’s going on so they can be aware.
7m could go after your kid, your niece your nephews. It should be everyone’s business. This isn’t just an American group, there’s others involved, Australians and European dancers. Cults are everyone’s business because of their very nature and illegal activities. As a Christian I am disgusted that these groups are allowed destroy families and cause so much pain in the name of Jesus :(
I have enjoyed your content for years Katie and so appreciate you and the work that you do. Personally I find the 7M a bit of a chaotic headache to follow and just can’t get in to it. I can’t pin point why, maybe the dance connection. But I’m here for ALL the Duggar & Sister Wives content ;)
The 4 older girls make me sad. I always thought they would remain close. It’s hard to watch a family no mater who they are crumble like this I’m not excusing all the Josh stuff. I just feel sad that they are so broken, and honestly i don’t know if it can be repaired. It’s just sad.
It is very sad. It’s one of the consequences of SA within families. SA is an isolating experience. The perpetrators use bonds of shame and secrecy to silence their victims. This creates deep fissures within families. Those girls needed intensive therapy both individually and as a group but all they got from their sorry excuse for parents was admonishments to search their own hearts for what they may have done to invite the abuse and encouragement to forgive their abuser. JB and Michelle failed their daughters.
I thought the experience of Josh's dirty deeds would have brought the girls much closer. I also think Jill, was the only one strong enough to break free from Jim Bob's mutilation. By Jill being blessed with a husband like Derrick. That Jim Bob cannot control, as he appears to be able to do with the other children's spouses. Jim Bob losing his grip. Says a lot about Jill being the only adult child, in need of seeking special permission, ahead of visiting the family home.
Glad Jill & Derrick are feeling better. I can see the crew flying up to the wedding. When bderbuf Hannah & Jer will live in AR or NE. I sure hope Anna isn't pregnant again. She needs a break and already has her hands full. Josh can't go away long enough or far enough as far as I am concerned.
Thank you Katie Joy for all the work that you put into your awesome channel. It very much shows that you deeply care for what you do and about the topics involved. It is also great to hear that Jill and Derek are both doing better and hopefully all will be good for their new baby when he is born. And, if Anna really is pregnant, then it happened right before Josh was convicted. April 5th cannot come soo enough.
The intro when JB & Michelle are talking about "jurisdictions" makes me cringe!! 🤢 The whole "womens/men's work" is archaic! That ends in women that don't know how to change a tire & men that aren't able to do laundry (you get what I mean?) Thank you Katie for another great video! Please continue the great coverage on everything (7M included). Have a good one! 😊✌
The ironic thing is he was willing to throw out that jurisdiction bullshit when he was trying to make Bobbie into a church elder So she couldn’t testify against Josh
I don’t mind women’s and men’s work. I’ve never changed a tire, my mom never changed a tire, my grandma never changed a tire, lol, and I’ve never been the least bit curious to even watch a dude do it. I don’t TOUCH the garbage or mow grass. That’s for my husband and son. The problem I have is that it wasn’t balanced or even! The girls did all the cooking AND cleaning AND taking care of the babies/children, AND teaching the homeschool lessons. I never saw those boys do SH@T!! I wouldn’t have gave a damn if they divided ‘girls chores’ and ‘boys chores’ as long as it was EVEN work! It was NOT!!
So happy for Jill and Derrick and the baby is doing well. I wonder how this wedding will work out considering they all do covenant weddings and Nebraska isn’t a state that recognizes covenant marriage. 🤔
The “Gifts of The Spirit” such as speaking in Tongues are to be practiced in an orderly fashion and this gift has TWO parts; the speaking AND the interpretation. One is not Godly, and of The Word, without the other. Also, the Bible speaks of false prophets coming at the end of times. He sounds like a false prophet.
I think it's a right now very important topic. Anytime we're talking about cult-like Behavior and obviously the behavior surrounding these people is not normal I think everyone should be listening!
I have attended a church very similar to the one you are describing, where I live in Missouri. It's called Hope church in Springfield. I went many times with someone I used to be friends with and his teenage daughter, back in 2012 and 2013. I honestly don't know what goes on there these days, but I got some really creepy vibes back then. It started out like a somewhat normal church, at least for here, as this is the Bible belt and most of the churches here are fundamentalist , Assembly of God types. As we attended more however, it really started feeling strange for me and I am a Christian but more used to Baptist and Methodist churches, not quite so fanatical. Anyway the music would go on for like 20 minutes straight, the same song played either instrumentality or a person humming ( more like moaning), repetitively, almost like, as you said, to put these people in a trance. While this was going on, people would be speaking "in tongue , moaning, , and writhing on the floor, and I kid you not, one woman even leaping over the pew! The last time I went, I had come with a couple who attended also and before I knew it, she had her shoes off and was writhing on the floor, I don't know where her husband was and after the music stopped, one of their leaders was on the stage, they were talking about how he had been promoted and they were anointing him, and there were women members of the congregation kneeling at his feet, and talking about how he was the chosen one etc. I felt actual fear and was so glad when it was done and I got home safely. How you were describing that church you are covering, sounded so much like what I had seen, I had to write this comment. Also they had an area specifically for kids, and they would lock the doors to the room during the service. I thought that seemed suspicious to me. All I know is after my ex friends daughter attended that church for a while, she started having some serious mental issues, and eventually became an atheist.
If the older girls did the cooking, cleaning, raising their buddies, etc. then what exactly Did Michelle do besides pop out babies to keep on a blanket?
No doubt taking care of young babies, especially while pregnant again is PLENTY of work on it's own. We also don't know what else she did - shopping list, organizing the household, etc.
Katie I would love to keep hearing about the cult with the dancers. I think perhaps people aren’t as invested is because as you may be covering it more on instagram… you haven’t really given us a lot of information on it here. Some of us don’t do insta and I think why it’s not hitting is because we need more info. Make more videos for us to get invested and involved.
So I don’t see any of your IG posts, thank you so much for putting content of 7 M in this video. Between the woman’s voice and music, it creeped me TF out. This is horrifying and I’m sure there is so much more that we don’t know…. Human T?! Gah this is mind boggling
Freezing eggs and sperm is a technology created by the devil though. Crazy, Godless, modern baby-making methods are NOT cool with Jesus. 😇😉😃 (Edited to add emojis that make it clear that I am joking!)
If I ever go to a church that praises the pastor more than God…..I get up and walk out! I grew up in a church that speaking in tongues is a normal thing. It doesn’t happen in EVERY SERVICE AND EVERY PERSON (nope I never have). But from what I’ve witnessed, when it happens there is a different person in the congregation that interprets it. I’ve seen people that “speaks in tongues” that I feel is fake. There’s just a different sound/vibe to someone imo is fake…AMA!
Have you ever heard of artificial insemination?? They could have had Joshie leave a "sample" to get her pregnant for sympathy and to postpone his going to prison. With these people, nothing would surprise me.
I’m glad that Jill and her family are on the mend. Looking forward to hearing what you have learned about this cult. I’ve always been fascinated by what lures people in to something like that.
As someone who used to go to church, we were told that if people are talking about you it means 'the world hates you' and thats a good thing because it means they are doing what god or their leader wants. But what can happen is those in a cult can become more isolated. I hope they can leave and nothing awful happens. We dont want another Jones town thanks.
Maybe Anna froze some of his disgusting little swimmers before he went off to jail so she can continue having his children. Wouldn’t put anything past her.
On the 7m cult, I think it’s hard for the young dancers who are already in to get out. Just keep spreading awareness so no more victims fall for these types of cults. We teach our kids about the dangers of the world, but we also have to teach them about religious cults, they speak of god but do the apposite, pulling them away from family, friends, taking their money and time without them even knowing it.
Chain and supply shortage issues is the reason why taking Jessa so long to renovate that house. She said they were waiting for the cabinets for a long time.
Thanks for the update 😀 . Enjoy your content and if I don't then I just scroll. Come on people, she covers and exposes what is relevant to her and we can decide if its for us. I don't watch everything on TV, I watch what interests me.
Yes! Please keep talking about the 7M situation here! I’m extremely intrigued and massively unnerved, especially because it’s happening in my own state. My daughter was in theater from 7th grade on as did her entire friend group. Luckily she’s sound enough not to get swept up in something like that but a lot of her friends are! A lot of her friends are still trying to find themselves and what they want to do, they are in their early 20’s. It’s extremely scary knowing there is a place like that, that could possibly suck even 1 of her friends into. Just terrifying! They need to be shut down quick, fast and out the door! Thank You Katie for being so passionate and dedicating your life to exposing people like 7M.
These people are pretty scary just knowing there’s people like this on earth it’s a wonder there’s any churches left FYI God is everywhere we can pray at home we can pray on the highway hoping that we get home safely we can pray for others as we’re going to work we can pray for health as we’re going to bed you do not need to pay somebody to make these things happen
Grew up in a church cult that we were waiting for the rapture. Like nothing else mattered, just the rapture. My dad could never hold a job because we were in church 5-7 days a week. Each church service was at LEAST 2 and half hours long. Sundays, forget it, you were at church anywhere from 6-9 hours. Countless songs to sing the pastor preaches a couple of times and countless reading along in the Bible. We were in this church from when I was 5 to 18. By the time I was 18 my dad was pastor and had an affair with the church secretary. The church kicked my mom , me and my siblings out . I never went back. My kids have asked why we don’t go to church and I tell them” cause I have gone enough for all of us for the rest of our lives.” 🤣
Hey, we made it to wensday, lol, all the wild fires near us so been worried now it's just coughing from smoke filled air ugh here to relax and watch your video,happy jills baby is ok,prayers hope they feel better soon
Jeremiah has always been a cutie and seems very sweet. I wish him and Hannah well. As far as Jessa's house - it can still be challenging to get building materials and workers these days. I'm not sure if that was part of the delay, but remodeling a home is a lot of work and can take a long time. It hasn't even been a year yet, so that's not unheard of. I'm looking forward to hearing about the group you'll be covering.
I’d never heard of that 7M group and I am so interested in the story. I live in So Cal too. Keep up the work on the story on this cult. My mom got pregnant 6 weeks after her first child. Both my older sisters were born in the same year. She definitely could have gotten pregnant again.
Omg! 6 weeks?! Do you think Anna would ever? Considering she knew what was happening during that time??? Or maybe she didn’t think he’d actually be found guilty/sentenced so maybe she didn’t think she’d need to 😅 lord I hope not. She NEEDS a break
@@haleywhitten1947 Michelle mentioned in earlier seasons that they abstain after a boy for 40 days and 80 days for a girl. So assuming they included that in their list of traditions they kept from JB&M/the Bible, probably not. Granted, if they wanted another baby before he potentially went away for 20 years or chucked that out the window it’s possible because, well, he’s done worse. 🤷🏻♀️
Coming from someone who has never been religious, 100% secular, I have never heard of speaking in tongues being anything but sadistic…. Crazy, cult-like. Please if someone has better knowledge than me, correct me politely but….. red flags are flying here….
Hey Everyone!
This was filmed yesterday March 22. I did two topics blended because I didn't have time to film. Then I got stuck in a super long meeting so I never got to editing. The end of the video goes over some of the disturbing audio and more details about what is going on with the dance cult. This story is literally everywhere. I just had an interview with Daily Mail today. I spoke to Business Insider last week. I've also been approached by numerous production companies.
This is why I'm going to encourage you to get acquainted with what is going on with this group. My instagram has a lot of what has been uncovered thus far. Make sure to follow me over there!
Also here is the article from Julie Roys on John MacArthur...It's really bad:
julieroys.com/john-macarthur-church-supported-convicted-abuser-pedophile/
Katie
Thanks Katie🍻
I'll see if instagram will unban me🤬
Its been 2 years now!!!
Katie the Laughter alone sounds Maniacal 😈 btw Dr Todd Grande did an analysis of 7M as a Cult on RUclips yesterday.
No worries about putting out less content. You put out more content than any other RUclipsr I follow!!! And if you think the California group is worth reporting on, then there's no doubt it'll be interesting. I'm looking forward to hearing about that group because I'm interested in learning how other people think and live.
You're killing it, Katie!!
Katie I still haven’t figured out instagram. I feel left out boo boo 😀
You do brilliantly!!! Thank you for your extremely hard work!!!
I can tell you how indoctrinated I was in 2009. My ex-husband beat me beyond recognition. He left me while I was in ICU fighting for my life to move in with his girlfriend (now wife). Our church made me write a letter to him. They coached me through what to write. It included things like promising he could keep his girlfriend and I wouldn't complain. He could keep his own money and I wouldn't complain. Right down to small things like he could drink his coffee on the porch and I wouldn't bother him. He could stay in his den and I wouldn't cross the threshold to go in there and bother him. So on and so forth. It included some disgusting other things as well. Apparently, I "bothered" him too much and that's the reason that I got beat so often. I was stupid enough to write that letter and send it (Email). I'm so thankful to this day that he read it and ignored it. The church that we attended sounded just like that woman. That is exactly how they prayed and how they prayed on me and my daughters. I have four daughters and I cannot be happier that I escaped that with them. He did not allow me to go to college. I tried one time to sign up for online classes and he smashed my laptop into a million pieces. I was allowed to work for the church and made $8.50 an hour. And that was all I was allowed to do. He spent faster than he could make it. The girls and I lived many times without running water and electricity. While he was away and spending money and eating out every night and doing whatever he wanted0kg to do. Since being away from him (13 years) I was able to go back to school and work my way up to be a physician. (NP-C Hospitalist admitting physician in an ER) All while raising four daughters.
This breaks my heart. I am so glad you got out with your girls. I'm so impressed that you were able to earn the credentials to allow you to have a wonderful career! Best wishes! ❤
Very impressive 👍 You showed your girls that you don't need a bad man in your life to be happy and fulfilled. Good for you!!!
Congratulations. You deserve to be happy
Good for you. Best revenge is living well.
@@MeganVictoriaKearns Thank you. Yes. It was a journey. My oldest daughter was my rock! I rented a small townhouse and put a Futon in the younger girls room to sleep on. I worked full time and went to school. I became an EMT, then Paramedic then RN and kept going! I graduated and finished my residency 12/2021. I’m now in my new role. I am very content. My youngest (19) is a phlebotomist, PCT and is working part time while she is in RN school. I’m beyond blessed. My 22 yr old is a manager for Lane Bryant. My oldest is a SAHM with an amazing hubby. My second oldest is a scribe for a Family Practice office and a wife and mom as well. I DID GOOD!! 🥰🥰🥰
Happy to hear the Jill and Derick are getting better and so far baby is doing well. Thanks for this update.
They are having boy number 3
I think it's great that Derick keeps Katie in the loop on how they are doing. We DO care about Jill and Derick. They deserve the best.
Jill saying the girls do the cooking and cleaning while the 'boys do more of the outside 'manly' work' in the opening clip was downright puke-worthy 🤢🤮
Absolutely disgusting!!!
@@carol-annesomerville7880 Meesh was too busy being 'joyfully available' to Jimmy Boob to be bothered with (gasp) parenting children.
Agree, and Jill is subservient to Derrick. He doesn’t allow her to think for herself.
@@carol-annesomerville7880 JInger being the most controlled? How so?
I like the way she said the 4 of the girls "help out". Has Michelle ever lifted a finger to help the girls?
Probably not. There was one clip I saw where Moochelle said she was grateful for the older girls to take care of the little ones because she ( Moochelle) liked to sleep in....
@@margaretkinnaman8585 Wow, I've never heard that one before! Are you serious? She said that!?! Wow. Just...wow.
Never saw her help other than to point out something else they need to do
Basically the girls are unpaid workers. The Duggars use all the kids to do all the work the mom doesn't. That's slave labor!
She pushed them out of her clown car. She feels she did her part.
Helping out is one thing. Kids clean their own rooms, bring laundry to the laundry room, laying out frozen food to thaw or something.
The Duggar girls weren't helping out. They were Mom's maids so she could be joyfully available.
There was a huge article on the dance cult story in The Daily Mail this week in the UK. You’re ahead of the curve Katie!!
i spoke to the Daily mail on the phone today
What's so wrong about the dance cult???
@@mariawilcox3237 I don't mean to be mean, but, that's like asking what's wrong with Scientology. It's to much information for a quick answer. You will have to do some googling. It's there.
@@fulltimerver2355 Thank you, I'll do that. I wasn't thinking about that. 😀
I take _huge_ exception to girls have to do the housework (and child care) and boys have to do the outside "manly" work. I know a couple who does this and their daughter got stuck with most of the work. The boys had to mow the lawn once in a while while Catherine had all these "jobs" inside the house. Couples today often divide the work pretty equally and both genders will step in with any kind of work that needs to be done. We should not divide chores into "women's work" and "men's work" as that is harmful.
That’s very true! My parents didn’t do that and it prepared my brother and I to be self sufficient. I mow the yard, paint the decks, unclog stopped up drains, built a storage bench, just started building a storage shed etc. My husband does the dishes, wash clothes, help homeschool when needed, cook, sew, work 5 12 hour shifts, and help build things around the house. He can cook a cake better than me lol 😂. I’m raising my daughter to learn to do everything. Children need these lessons before going off on their own. It also teaches them to be great partners in a relationship. If I got sick I know my husband can jump in with no problem. Now he may do it differently but he get it done. I got sick for a week and he had to homeschool. I told my daughter to go easy on daddy he’s doing his best. I felt bad for him that week because he had a flat on the way to do a grocery haul lol 😂. My daughter called me while he was changing the tire on the highway lol. He definitely appreciates me a lot more. He was ready to go back to work lol 😂!
I don’t like calling things “women’s work” and “men’s work.” All of those jobs are called ADULT WORK. And everyone should learn how to do them regardless of being male or female.
That's how it was in the 80s and prior. My husband's family is just like this!! My husband had my oldest son outside with him and My daughter had to do most of the cooking and cleaning. My youngest son helped us now and then. I'm a T/ 10 paraplegic. I was cleaning up after able bodied people (( some of our family and friends)). We also ALWAYS had people staying with us. Wayne and Randy were 17 and 18. Plus nieces and nephews on holidays, Teacher work days and also all summer long. I would NEVER, EVER do it again !!!! Way too much work!!What's worse was that we always had to cook tea .....every single day. Well my oldest son is in prison now and my daughter can't stand her dad. Well, Really, all 3 of them.
Hey well if the girl turns out good looking she won’t have to do chores ever again!
So very glad Jill and hubby r getting better.
Same!
Your channel is so underrated thanks for putting so much time and effort into your videos ❤️
I appreciate that!
Agree!!
From my experience with one of my loved ones. The federal system doesn’t care where they live. They move them all over the place often. The judge may not say which federal prison that he is remanded too. They will move him on very short notice. Most likely, Anna will not know that he has been moved until after he is moved. The do this for the protect of the inmates and for security preposes. They may start him out in maximum and then see how the other inmates respond and then though out the years they may lower his security levels. But he will never be placed on lower security levels, because of his charges.
My sister worked for the federal courts and you are right.
I work in a county jail that houses federal (feds) prisoners. They are constantly being moved around. Housing feds is a huge money maker for our county jail. Oh, one more thing. The feds have THOUSANDS of dollars in their inmate account. More than I have in my bank account!
I'm so glad you're continuing with the 7m story. Everyone keep following...I'm sure its going to keep us entertained!
I personally have followed a couple of these dancers for years and had NO idea what was going on until I saw your first video bc I watch your channel for the duggars and browns. Thank you for including this! I'm super vested.
Continue with the 7M it is important. I wasn't interested in sister wives but you made it interesting and they aren't nearly as important. Saving people from these cults in important.
I love the 7 m coverage!! The Duggers too! Thanks Katie
I'm so happy to hear that Derek and Jill are better!!!
Thanks for adding more info on the dance cult on this video. I have a better sense of what's going on and why I should listen to more about it. (and thanks for all of your videos!)
The 7M story IS interesting, thanks Katie
There are huge gaps in the supply chain. We’ve been waiting on parts, fixtures, etc. for months. We don’t want to be forced into other items. We will wait. Our renovation is not nearly as large as Jessa’s.
Even trying to buy appliances is crazy!
I haven’t watched your channel in a while (I’ve just been busy) and wow your hair is so long. Love it!
Remember when she was blonde?! 🤣
Thanks! I've been working on it! Glad you are back!
@@ann-marimaukonen6805 I remember. Short and blonde. I like her hair now.
I'm loving the new content with the 7m👍💛🌟
Love your channel you just gained a new follower!
Thank you!
Hahaha when you said about people announcing there pregnancy right after they .......find out, I thought you where going to say “ right after they conceive “ I nearly chocked on my corn flakes lol
I said before he went away she would try and get one last baby out. Because that's exactly what she needs, right!?
Right on 💯 you called it 🙂
Crazy is what crazy does
Well keep it sweet and be joyfully available!
I said the same exact thing!!!!! Smh disgusting. Hearing what he did and she still slept with him 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I was thinking the same thing.
I can see where the music playing and the woman speaking praise to the leader can draw people in and create an energy field that brings out an emotional response from the people attending. They are using that tactic to their advantage.
Yes! They do this for hours too!
Just as Hitler did. And this is a common activity in cults.
I think most religions use this tactic. Definitely with Christianity at least.
Has anyone else noticed how child-like the Duggar girls soind, even as adults?
Yes they do!
It is important that you're talking about this cult. They're going after naive young people and promising to make them rich and famous.
Yep! They are going after vulnerable young people
I really like your coverage on 7m. Thanks for your hard work to expose these groups!
I appreciate the work you are doing here. Thank you!
My pleasure!
I’m here for the 7M reporting. Please continue searching and sharing.
It's good to actually be able to see an upload the same day it comes out( my schedule problems, not you).
My guess is that the renovation is taking longer than normal due to supplies not being available. This has been a big issue (as we all know) but who knows 🤷♀️
The speaking in tongues issue is correct. There is supposed to be an interpreter to explain God’s message to people. No praise of man; interpretation for instruction. It’s a cult Katie Joy. Sad these people are falling for this crap. I’m not really interested but thank you for continuing to investigate this matter. People ought to know what’s going on so they can be aware.
I don’t know how this church is doing it, but if they are just praying in tongues then there doesn’t need to be an interpretation.
7m could go after your kid, your niece your nephews. It should be everyone’s business. This isn’t just an American group, there’s others involved, Australians and European dancers. Cults are everyone’s business because of their very nature and illegal activities. As a Christian I am disgusted that these groups are allowed destroy families and cause so much pain in the name of Jesus :(
It’s scary because they take “some” things from the Bible and Christianity and literally weave in the controlling cult - culture.
I have enjoyed your content for years Katie and so appreciate you and the work that you do. Personally I find the 7M a bit of a chaotic headache to follow and just can’t get in to it. I can’t pin point why, maybe the dance connection. But I’m here for ALL the Duggar & Sister Wives content ;)
I agree… I can’t follow the dance cult stuff.
Thank you for your the update Katie Joy I will also be looking for you’re updates on the religious story.
The 4 older girls make me sad. I always thought they would remain close. It’s hard to watch a family no mater who they are crumble like this I’m not excusing all the Josh stuff. I just feel sad that they are so broken, and honestly i don’t know if it can be repaired. It’s just sad.
It is very sad. It’s one of the consequences of SA within families. SA is an isolating experience. The perpetrators use bonds of shame and secrecy to silence their victims. This creates deep fissures within families. Those girls needed intensive therapy both individually and as a group but all they got from their sorry excuse for parents was admonishments to search their own hearts for what they may have done to invite the abuse and encouragement to forgive their abuser. JB and Michelle failed their daughters.
I thought the experience of Josh's dirty deeds would have brought the girls much closer. I also think Jill, was the only one strong enough to break free from Jim Bob's mutilation. By Jill being blessed with a husband like Derrick. That Jim Bob cannot control, as he appears to be able to do with the other children's spouses. Jim Bob losing his grip. Says a lot about Jill being the only adult child, in need of seeking special permission, ahead of visiting the family home.
Outside "manly work" like no woman has ever done outside "manly work" 😂
Glad Jill & Derrick are feeling better. I can see the crew flying up to the wedding. When bderbuf Hannah & Jer will live in AR or NE. I sure hope Anna isn't pregnant again. She needs a break and already has her hands full. Josh can't go away long enough or far enough as far as I am concerned.
If you believe in demons…. The woman laughing about waterboarding definitely sounds like a demonic laugh. And the other stuff checks out.
Thank you Katie Joy for all the work that you put into your awesome channel. It very much shows that you deeply care for what you do and about the topics involved. It is also great to hear that Jill and Derek are both doing better and hopefully all will be good for their new baby when he is born. And, if Anna really is pregnant, then it happened right before Josh was convicted. April 5th cannot come soo enough.
The intro when JB & Michelle are talking about "jurisdictions" makes me cringe!! 🤢 The whole "womens/men's work" is archaic! That ends in women that don't know how to change a tire & men that aren't able to do laundry (you get what I mean?) Thank you Katie for another great video! Please continue the great coverage on everything (7M included). Have a good one! 😊✌
The ironic thing is he was willing to throw out that jurisdiction bullshit when he was trying to make Bobbie into a church elder So she couldn’t testify against Josh
As if they are in prison.
I remember when they were building that huge house Jim Bob talked about how the boys and the girls helped build it. The kids did most of the work.
I don’t mind women’s and men’s work. I’ve never changed a tire, my mom never changed a tire, my grandma never changed a tire, lol, and I’ve never been the least bit curious to even watch a dude do it. I don’t TOUCH the garbage or mow grass. That’s for my husband and son. The problem I have is that it wasn’t balanced or even! The girls did all the cooking AND cleaning AND taking care of the babies/children, AND teaching the homeschool lessons. I never saw those boys do SH@T!! I wouldn’t have gave a damn if they divided ‘girls chores’ and ‘boys chores’ as long as it was EVEN work! It was NOT!!
@@amandahutton8459 Exactly!
So happy for Jill and Derrick and the baby is doing well. I wonder how this wedding will work out considering they all do covenant weddings and Nebraska isn’t a state that recognizes covenant marriage. 🤔
What's a covenant marriage I'm clueless lol
So glad to be back. 🌹🌹
I’m surprised that they did not try to find a set of twins to marry them.
I like this style of video where you cover a few different subjects at one time.
The “Gifts of The Spirit” such as speaking in Tongues are to be practiced in an orderly fashion and this gift has TWO parts; the speaking AND the interpretation. One is not Godly, and of The Word, without the other. Also, the Bible speaks of false prophets coming at the end of times. He sounds like a false prophet.
he for sure is a false prophet!
He IS a false teacher and prophet. He's only interested in the profit not prophetic.
I’m very interested in the cult story and I thank you for bringing it to our attention!
I wouldn’t be surprised if they went to an IVF clinic and had some of his nastiness frozen so she could pop out a few more while he’s in prison.
I think it's a right now very important topic. Anytime we're talking about cult-like Behavior and obviously the behavior surrounding these people is not normal I think everyone should be listening!
Reporting on the Shinn cult is important 👌. As a local it's definitely coming out here. Thank you 😊
For the record- I’m SO INTERESTED in the 7M story
Hi Katie . Thank you for the upload. Appreciate the work you put in.
I do prefer the Duggar content better. But I support you. 💕💕💕💕
I have attended a church very similar to the one you are describing, where I live in Missouri. It's called Hope church in Springfield. I went many times with someone I used to be friends with and his teenage daughter, back in 2012 and 2013. I honestly don't know what goes on there these days, but I got some really creepy vibes back then. It started out like a somewhat normal church, at least for here, as this is the Bible belt and most of the churches here are fundamentalist , Assembly of God types. As we attended more however, it really started feeling strange for me and I am a Christian but more used to Baptist and Methodist churches, not quite so fanatical. Anyway the music would go on for like 20 minutes straight, the same song played either instrumentality or a person humming ( more like moaning), repetitively, almost like, as you said, to put these people in a trance. While this was going on, people would be speaking "in tongue , moaning, , and writhing on the floor, and I kid you not, one woman even leaping over the pew! The last time I went, I had come with a couple who attended also and before I knew it, she had her shoes off and was writhing on the floor, I don't know where her husband was and after the music stopped, one of their leaders was on the stage, they were talking about how he had been promoted and they were anointing him, and there were women members of the congregation kneeling at his feet, and talking about how he was the chosen one etc. I felt actual fear and was so glad when it was done and I got home safely. How you were describing that church you are covering, sounded so much like what I had seen, I had to write this comment. Also they had an area specifically for kids, and they would lock the doors to the room during the service. I thought that seemed suspicious to me. All I know is after my ex friends daughter attended that church for a while, she started having some serious mental issues, and eventually became an atheist.
Yikes on bikes!!!
Yes you really have to watch beliefs and match truth to what a group believes
I followed a couple of the dancer before I knew the story. It makes me sad that this happening to these talented people
Thank you for the video. I can't wait for the next show.
If the older girls did the cooking, cleaning, raising their buddies, etc. then what exactly Did Michelle do besides pop out babies to keep on a blanket?
Service Jim Bob.
Don't forget she's Jim Bob's buddy ... cause a grown ass man needs a buddy more than a kid ...
No doubt taking care of young babies, especially while pregnant again is PLENTY of work on it's own. We also don't know what else she did - shopping list, organizing the household, etc.
She was the buddy of the newborn until he or she was weaned. Plus grocery shopping, etc.
Katie I would love to keep hearing about the cult with the dancers. I think perhaps people aren’t as invested is because as you may be covering it more on instagram… you haven’t really given us a lot of information on it here. Some of us don’t do insta and I think why it’s not hitting is because we need more info. Make more videos for us to get invested and involved.
I am enjoying your videos on the dance cult - it's much more compelling than I would have thought.
So I don’t see any of your IG posts, thank you so much for putting content of 7 M in this video. Between the woman’s voice and music, it creeped me TF out. This is horrifying and I’m sure there is so much more that we don’t know…. Human T?! Gah this is mind boggling
I was in an abusive marriage and we went to a counselor who told me that it might be my fate to die. Light bulb moment! I left.
Are you f*ing serious!?! Holy shit that's frightening!
How do we as a society help brainwashed individuals from cults?
Wow. Glad you got out❤️
Oh my. This wasn’t actually a legitimate, non cult related counselor, I hope?
Wow! So glad you broke free.
I've been loving following the 7m situation. Keep it up.
How many of Joshs' swimmers do they have frozen for future pregnancies? 🤔 OH Good Lord Please, NO 😳
There's an image I didn't need stuck in my head.🤢
I 100% believe they have done this - and Anna will continue to have a new baby every 2 years !! 🤮🤮🤮
Oh my gosh hadn’t even thought of this. Ewww!!!! 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤢🤮
Freezing eggs and sperm is a technology created by the devil though. Crazy, Godless, modern baby-making methods are NOT cool with Jesus. 😇😉😃
(Edited to add emojis that make it clear that I am joking!)
He doesn't need to freeze sperm. There's always conjugal visits.
If I ever go to a church that praises the pastor more than God…..I get up and walk out! I grew up in a church that speaking in tongues is a normal thing. It doesn’t happen in EVERY SERVICE AND EVERY PERSON (nope I never have). But from what I’ve witnessed, when it happens there is a different person in the congregation that interprets it. I’ve seen people that “speaks in tongues” that I feel is fake. There’s just a different sound/vibe to someone imo is fake…AMA!
Yes that is fake.
The Duggars jurisdictions always make me think of prison. Idk 🤷🏼♀️ why
Because it is a prison....
I feel like the Duggars announce their pregnancy while they’re still in the act of 👉🏻👌🏼🙄
Have you ever heard of artificial insemination?? They could have had Joshie leave a "sample" to get her pregnant for sympathy and to postpone his going to prison. With these people, nothing would surprise me.
I doubt they would do anything artificial.
I'll be a little surprised if she didn't manage to get pregnant before the trial ended.
I’m glad that Jill and her family are on the mend. Looking forward to hearing what you have learned about this cult. I’ve always been fascinated by what lures people in to something like that.
Jill, you and Baby are in my prayers.
As someone who used to go to church, we were told that if people are talking about you it means 'the world hates you' and thats a good thing because it means they are doing what god or their leader wants. But what can happen is those in a cult can become more isolated. I hope they can leave and nothing awful happens. We dont want another Jones town thanks.
I'm enjoying the dance group coverage, jsyk. :)
Maybe Anna froze some of his disgusting little swimmers before he went off to jail so she can continue having his children. Wouldn’t put anything past her.
On the 7m cult, I think it’s hard for the young dancers who are already in to get out. Just keep spreading awareness so no more victims fall for these types of cults. We teach our kids about the dangers of the world, but we also have to teach them about religious cults, they speak of god but do the apposite, pulling them away from family, friends, taking their money and time without them even knowing it.
Chain and supply shortage issues is the reason why taking Jessa so long to renovate that house. She said they were waiting for the cabinets for a long time.
Thanks for the update 😀 . Enjoy your content and if I don't then I just scroll.
Come on people, she covers and exposes what is relevant to her and we can decide if its for us. I don't watch everything on TV, I watch what interests me.
Well said
Exactly my take on this too. I'm only in it for the Duggar content.
If time stamps are given for the different segments, no problem.
Rolling Stone Magazine wrote an article on 7m also!👌
Yes! Please keep talking about the 7M situation here! I’m extremely intrigued and massively unnerved, especially because it’s happening in my own state. My daughter was in theater from 7th grade on as did her entire friend group. Luckily she’s sound enough not to get swept up in something like that but a lot of her friends are! A lot of her friends are still trying to find themselves and what they want to do, they are in their early 20’s. It’s extremely scary knowing there is a place like that, that could possibly suck even 1 of her friends into. Just terrifying! They need to be shut down quick, fast and out the door! Thank You Katie for being so passionate and dedicating your life to exposing people like 7M.
These people are pretty scary just knowing there’s people like this on earth it’s a wonder there’s any churches left FYI God is everywhere we can pray at home we can pray on the highway hoping that we get home safely we can pray for others as we’re going to work we can pray for health as we’re going to bed you do not need to pay somebody to make these things happen
There's a saying, sitting in a church makes you no more a Christian than sitting in a garage makes you a car.
Grew up in a church cult that we were waiting for the rapture. Like nothing else mattered, just the rapture. My dad could never hold a job because we were in church 5-7 days a week. Each church service was at LEAST 2 and half hours long. Sundays, forget it, you were at church anywhere from 6-9 hours. Countless songs to sing the pastor preaches a couple of times and countless reading along in the Bible. We were in this church from when I was 5 to 18. By the time I was 18 my dad was pastor and had an affair with the church secretary. The church kicked my mom , me and my siblings out . I never went back. My kids have asked why we don’t go to church and I tell them” cause I have gone enough for all of us for the rest of our lives.” 🤣
Hey, we made it to wensday, lol, all the wild fires near us so been worried now it's just coughing from smoke filled air ugh here to relax and watch your video,happy jills baby is ok,prayers hope they feel better soon
I was watching another video and immediately stopped and switched over.
Same lol
Atlanta, Georgia has a Federal Prison as does Kentucky.
I'm loving the cult story. Thank you for doing this story.
Yes! Agree 💯
Jeremiah has always been a cutie and seems very sweet. I wish him and Hannah well.
As far as Jessa's house - it can still be challenging to get building materials and workers these days. I'm not sure if that was part of the delay, but remodeling a home is a lot of work and can take a long time. It hasn't even been a year yet, so that's not unheard of.
I'm looking forward to hearing about the group you'll be covering.
Costs have risen quite a bit, too. Maybe they have to take it slowly in order to be able to afford it.
I’d never heard of that 7M group and I am so interested in the story. I live in So Cal too. Keep up the work on the story on this cult. My mom got pregnant 6 weeks after her first child. Both my older sisters were born in the same year. She definitely could have gotten pregnant again.
Omg! 6 weeks?! Do you think Anna would ever? Considering she knew what was happening during that time??? Or maybe she didn’t think he’d actually be found guilty/sentenced so maybe she didn’t think she’d need to 😅 lord I hope not. She NEEDS a break
@@haleywhitten1947 Michelle mentioned in earlier seasons that they abstain after a boy for 40 days and 80 days for a girl. So assuming they included that in their list of traditions they kept from JB&M/the Bible, probably not. Granted, if they wanted another baby before he potentially went away for 20 years or chucked that out the window it’s possible because, well, he’s done worse. 🤷🏻♀️
Tongues was used in my church growing up. I felt inferior for not being blessed with this “gift”…even tried it on sometimes. Lol
I am not lukewarm at all about your 7M stories.....needs to be unearthed and exposed!!! Thank you Katie!!
Thanks Lorrie!
The clips of the church service you shared are almost indistinguishable from how I grew up.
I’m from Cali and not that interested in the dance group. I can appreciate you research and coverage %100! I just skip the dancer videos.
Me too, it's a boring topic for me
I'm very interested in the story.
I thought the Wissman’s were smarter than that! Poor Hannah, she looks too good for Jeremiah IMHO. There must be slim pickins!
Aren’t women suppose to keep knees together for 6 weeks, after giving birth? But, Josh is Josh.🤷🏻♀️. Who knows.
No. I've never waited more than 3 weeks after any of my kids, by my choice. It's recommended but not required.
I pray Anna is not pregnant ugh
Thank you Katie Joy for sharing both stories. I agree that the Dance group is important because of what you’ve shared already. Have a good evening 😊
I haven’t had any of their dance videos on my TikTok recently🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Haven't watched yet but I STG if Anna is pregnant I'm going to freaking EXPLODE
They target the vulnerable. These people in Ukraine are so vulnerable right now, perfect pickings for the cult recruiters.
Coming from someone who has never been religious, 100% secular, I have never heard of speaking in tongues being anything but sadistic…. Crazy, cult-like. Please if someone has better knowledge than me, correct me politely but….. red flags are flying here….
Oh Katy, you should do a short video on the AZ Penitentiary. Girl, do much goes on there; much more than the others.
Neat about Jeremiah getting married, sweet good Jill feeling better
That lady sounds so creepy in that church service … especially that laugh