In Defense of Ska
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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i legitimately thought you made a 40 min video essay on ska, will still watch this tho
same lol
Fr lol
Fantano essay channel when
Ska essays for the win
Relatable, have a nice day.
I'm proud of ska being so popular, as a Jamaican American. Remember, without ska, many forms of Jamaican music wouldn't even exist, as ska is older than rocksteady and reggae.
The seeds of which are all over modern music.
No ska = no reggae = no dub or dancehall = no hip hop, no techno, no grime, no dubstep, etc.
Ska is as important to the musical landscape of the 21st century as jazz was to the musical landscape of the 20th century.
Ding ding ding!! Ska is sooooo important!!!
@@TheAIDSGrenades You can also view it this way: Ska is the classic R&B of Jamaica (which is interesting as ska is influenced by R&B). Without R&B, many genres wouldn't exist today (although you could say the same for the blues too).
That's a damn good point.
However, have you considered:
Ska suck.
That’s an interesting perspective! Toots and the Maytals are one of my favorite bands of all time, saw them 2 or 4 years ago at Jazz Fest in New Orleans and even as old men they still sound sublime. How anyone can write off two tone ska is beyond me!
Thanks for the shoutout! Aaron is the GOAT, all of this was hella spot on. I hope that out of this, people hopefully understand that sitting around waiting for a “fourth wave” isn’t going to do anything. The 90s wasn’t overnight, like Aaron said. It was a 15 year slow build, and the current generation of bands now are so diverse and crushing it, and so close to being at a level where it’s something incredible, all it takes is the support from the people waiting for a “fourth wave” 🏁🏁🏁
Aaron didn't nearly talk about how diverse ska is in terms of listeners, in south and central america it's way bigger and in Mexico it is straight up mainstream, right now in Chile the biggest artist Mon Laferte has a ska song and is influenced by ska. The image of ska bring a white genre came from racist record labels only signing white bands, hepcat sublime and fishbone were the first ska bands in the US but didn't get nearly as much attention as the bands THEY INSPIRED. Ska shows are consistently the most diverse, I've been to do many punk shows that had all white people but the ska scene makes sure POC are SAFE
@@marcelfil the last few chapters of the book are all about the huge Latin ska scene
@@marcelfil Ai cool, I came to share this! :D Mexico has MAD love for ska, rockabilly, and be-bop culture generally. It's the biggest alt dance scene here, from what I have seen -- alt to the standard salsa/cumbia/bachata vibes, although there's so much reggae in there too. Solid chunks in Central + South A have been kickin' it for awhile!
@@chrisrios1709 Maybe this is where the fourth wave is...? 🙃
Ska is definitely one of the most Youth-filled genres out there. Whenever I feel down the energy in the music immediately revs me back up.
Love ur pfp
Disgusting
Atrocious. Ska sucks ass.
2021 Summer of Ska confirmed, thanks Anthony.
Wouldn't be White Boy Summer without a ska revival
The book certainly feels like it would appeal to me. That’s the impression that I get
I see what you did there
I barely listen to the genre at all but I get the reference, I'm so proud hahaha
IIIII'VE NEVER READ THIS BOOK ON SKA
BUT I KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS
IT MAKES ME WONDER IF IT'S GOOD
IT MAKES WONDER IF I
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I see what you did there! :)
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Ska came before Reggae
Yiss 10 years before Reggae. Ska came out in the late 50s and Reggae came out in late 60s. And surprisingly it's a quicker sound of music despite it being so much older
But did you know Reggae came after ska?
Did you know that ska came before reggae?
@@LatinaCreamQueen Yeah, you just said that.
Bruce goose 🦆
I see Streetlight Manifesto every year at Riot Fest. My favorite act. Never gets old.
i wanted to see them at this new years show in brooklyn but covid cancelled it. it sucks but hope to see them soon! looks like theyre gonna release a new album this year
@@Aleph-Noll I haven't loved their last couple releases but you know I will listen to it
@@ant3352 how could you not like the hands that thieve
No Gods No Managers? I’m feeling a strong 100 out of 10.
fuck yes
Choking victim is such a good band name too
Absolutely amazing album, the run from “no gods > mediocre generica > FWT” was amazing.
Isn’t that more punk ska
@@YungRams yes
Cant wait till 2042 when Fantano makes one for NAV
Ska kicks ass, especially classic two tone ska. The specials, Desmond dekker, toots and the maytals, all legendary
Edit: I posted that before he stated that he isn’t really talking about two tone, so also wanted to list catch 22/streetlight manifesto, choking victim/leftover crack, and the slackers are also really good, although leftover crack fans kinda suck and the band themselves are kinda assholes, but their music mostly kicks ass so credit where it’s due
The Specials are really a fantastic band.
Fantastic summation of Leftover Crack's legacy
@@ryankrankowski7777 aren’t they just? There aren’t many bands whose music I can always count on to put a smile on my face at any time, but they are most definitely on that list!
@@markz2666 yeah I thought so too lol. After loving them as a teenager I went through a period in my 20s where I refused to listen to them (seeing them live really turner d me off, couldn’t believe a bunch of gutterpunk squatters could be such divas and they were super arrogant as well. Plus a lot of their fans kinda suck) but at some point I decided I gotta give credit where it’s due and their music really is pretty good, at least in my opinion. As i got older I stopped letting bands’ behavior and fans influence my opinions of their music, it opened up a lot of music that had been off limits for so long like Elliot smith, the strokes/white stripes, the germs, etc. Some bands still have a bit of an icky feeling in my gut as a result but generally if whatever bothers me isn’t apparent in the music itself I don’t let it get to me
"It's very good" is always a solid defense
Let’s not forget about 100 gecs and “Stupid horse”. Proof that the genre has influenced current trends.
oh god
the whole interview I was waiting for fantano to bring up the gecs
but what if i really wanna forget 100 gecs
The book started being written in 2013 and finished in 2018/early 2019, so that was before 100 gecs. Also, check out the in defense of ska podcast, it goes over stuff more current and things that didn’t make it into the book!
Cringe comment
Who the hell even hates ska? I can't fathom anyone harboring a serious dislike for it, it's so... innocent
I used to hate it. I'm still not too chuffed on it
It's not that good ngl
Bruce Greene and Darren Barrett have entered the chat
My name is Aaron Barrett!
@@TBullhouse who?
Seeing Less Than Jake play at south Florida anime conventions in the late 2000s were some of the most entertaining live performances I've ever been to
They still got it. LTJ came to town to headline our local ska & reggae festival summer before covid.
Ska is responsible for my branching out in music. Before it i was purely a metal aficionado, one of those very strict and annoying teens that thought metal ruled the world... I cant express enough how much my music taste changed and expanded because of Ska, it definetely saddens me people dont treat it as seriously as any other genre, but it was life changing to me and i will always love and listen to it whenever i need inspiration in my life.
I love Ska
I love Ska
I love Ska
SKA NOW MORE THAN EVER 🏁
So here I am,
doing everything I can,
Holding ON to what I AM!
Pretending I'm a superman!
Aaron wrote a little article about my husband’s band in the San Jose Metro in like 2013 or something, he was super kind and had some really nice things to say about them. He’s an established “cool guy” in our household, even though we’ve never actually met him. GREAT INTERVIEW!
Anthony Fantano defends the war crime of ska at the Nuremberg Trials, 1946 colourised
I don’t even listen to ska as much as I used to but Hello Rockview is still a damn-near-perfect album. Less Than Jake is way underrated as a punk band.
I still love listening to old Reel Big Fish and old Buck o Nine.
I still listen to Everything Goes Numb by Streetlight Manifesto... masterpiece.
If you want a classic check out catch 22 - Keasby nights
@@toddpacker4683 I prefer Streetlight Manifesto - Keasby nights sorry
@@alexarseneau2899 fair enough. I think people prefer the version they heard first
@@alexarseneau2899 streetlight is making a new album this year
The Digimon Movie Soundtrack made me a lifelong ska fan
I knew I wasn't the only one
Shout out to ska tune network
Na
What did Aaron Carnes say when asked about his book "In Defense of Ska"?
Pick it up!
Ska bands also typically have more members than your average punk group, which I think makes everything more difficult and more expensive to operate as a ska band than a typical 3 person punk group.
Try going on tour with one. It feels like a platoon going off to battle.
Ska came before reggae after all.
i’m currently in a ska phase… so this is great timing.
Same here ☺️
Just picked up the book last week and we shoutout our boy Aaron on the next episode of our ska podcast! Thanks for your due diligence Anthony, love ya
Jeff Rosenstock is smiling af
Fantano likes Sublime confirmed
Honestly I’ve never listened to even 10 minutes of Ska. But for this video I’m listening to as much as I can before watching this interview.
Catch 22 is probably where I would start if I had never listened to ska (3rd wave).
Less Than Jake is pretty classic now, Madness if you want something closer to pop rock, and Johnny Manchild & The Poor Bastards is a current ska band that rules (they were featured in a Reviewing Your Music episode on this channel IIRC, I forget which one tho).
oh yeah, and if you want some fucking weird ska punk, Choking Victim is great.
The Specials are a must.
then check out my ska band called “The Meddlers” here on youtube, spotify, and apple music!!
My recommendations:
Mustard Plug - The Beer Song
The Johnstones - Gone For A Long Time
Streetlight Manifesto - Point / Counterpoint
Planet Smashers - Super Orgy Porno Party
Less Than Jake - The Science Of Selling Yourself Short
Reel Big Fish have so many bangers, and their song I know you too well to like you anymore is a fun bop but the message of the song really dives into relationship issues that are really relatable.
Reel big fish goes so hard, you ever heard of streetlight manifesto? It has the same feeling as reel big fish but more punk and it’s amazing
@James Hartzog I've been in a streetlight phase and they're one of my favorite bands ever😊
The redemption of ska reminds me of how disco was talked about for so long not just because it was the go to example of a died genre but also the mystified it’s down fall was
A lot of disco acts still were around after discos aligned death
I thought of No Doubt's 'Tragic Kingdom'
I honestly don’t worry about what other people think of music I listen to. Ska rules
Bad operations is hella dope. been listening to their debut nonstop since Skatoon network brought them up on twitter
BTMI! till I die. Love Jeff Rosenstock and his friends.
The Arrogant Sons of Bitches’s(Jeff’s older band) album Three Cheers for Disappointment is a masterpiece.
Still waiting for a new Streetlight Manifesto album...
who isn't!!
@@larkmancy i'm not. the band are all assholes, and they've been doing that cringy bullshit of calling every tour "the last tour ever" just to mark up tickets and milk every drop of money out of fans since i was in college. the tunes hold up, but it's no longer about the music, it's only about the money.....and i decided to cash in my chips on streetlight and give my money to artists that still have integrity.
@@tazmon122 YEAH but...............FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhh daddy thiccc
@@tazmon122 theyre all broke lol theyre just trying to get by, after the victory lawsuit they have said multiple times they have to tour as much as possible just to pay bills
@@theosmith3917 so then market the tour as "Victory screwed us" instead of "LAST TOUR EVER"....why lie?
btw, they're doing fine financially. i've worked in the industry long enough to see payouts. a 3 month tour of 500-600cap rooms with minimal luxuries is on par with 3 months at a non musical job (bartending, custodian, ext)....in otherwords a relatively living wage. it's not the best life, but it's not as Henry Rollins would say "get in the van".
show me a post Victory Records show streetlight have done that was under 1500cap....and they sellout those shows, AND with the marketing giving them the ability to mark up prices they can afford tour luxuries and still walk away from a 3 month tour with 12 months worth of rent in their pockets.
I fucking love ska.
I have been waiting so long to hear someone talk about Mustard Plug.
Man, when I’m riding my Onewheel down the beach I just throw on an Authority Zero or Mad Caddies radio and just cruise listening to ska-punk. It’s my happy place.
I would love more stuff like this. You discussing various genres/music history/music criticism with other authors, critics, and journalists.
Folly reminds me of the East LA skacore scene in the mid 2000s.
Bro, I was there! Good fucking times.
@@junjiito6298 fuck yeah brother puro animo
If anyone wants recommendations they didn't ask for check em out I appreciate it!
East Los-
Red Store Bums(Skacore)
The Steady 45s(Rocksteady)
Raskahuele(Skacore/Reggae)
The Valley-
Cerebro Negro(Skacore)
Voodoo Glow Skulls(OG Skacore)
New York-The Pilfers (Skacore)
Texas- Fuska (Skacore EP, on the compilation album its the group of songs after/including space city moonstomp)
Florida- The Supervillains(Skacore/Reggae first album "Grow Yer Own")
Also Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra from Japan is perfect.
Sublime is all So-Cal. RiP Bradley it was just his birthday. Rocksteady>Ska🖕with love of course I appreciate you reading
@@SodapopMeow Pilfers play Raggacore! Ive been playing bone for them on and off for 5 years now :)
@@ChrisDaMaddog Honestly earlier I was hesitating putting Regga in the parenthesis! Damn thats awesome taking the time to respond. I saw you guys a few number of years back at the observatory in OC I believe. Im waiting for ska festivals to kick again hopefully so we can get bands like you beautiful Pilfers and the Toasters! Its funny I play the trombone too but haven't touched her in a minute I keep her clean though. Much love and respect from the east side of LA brother! :)
Operation Ivy. Nothing more needs to be said. I’ll listen to the album “Energy” on vinyl at least once a week and it always gets me amped up. So good!
No other music is as good at getting men to spontaneously dance as SKA music.
Sublime is one of the best bands of the 90s. Don’t care what anyone thinks.
Yet here you are in pursuit of acceptance
@The Patriots And Steelers Are Raging Inside Me Many would say yeah, many would say no
I like the band too but mainly for a different reason... I knew I could sell some "stuff" to anyone who liked that band lololol.
@@FingerBob Is he though? Are you a mind reader? And if so... can you read my mind? Meow meow meow meow meow
@The Patriots And Steelers Are Raging Inside Me it def has some ska in it but No Doubts first two albums were more ska
I love that the audio is lined up just off in a way that makes them sound like they're always biting on each others heels
To add onto the top 10 list, you gotta have Reel Big Fish, Streetlight Manifesto, Aquabats, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Less Than Jake, Goldfinger, Sublime, No Doubt, Suburban Legends, Save Ferris, etc. Can't believe a lot of these weren't mentioned. That's not to say Cam's list didn't have bangers in it, but to make so many references to 90's ska and then tip toe around it seemed counterintuitive.
they mentioned like 3 of those fuckass
@@jackperson2236 Yeah, but more like an afterthought, aside from Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Also Jaya The Cat!
“Jazz is coward’s ska” - John Lennon
Why the hell does Ska need to be defended? It's awesome!
There’s two kinds of people: those who like Ska, and those who hate fun.
NOW REVIEW EVERYTHING GOES NUMB. IT'S A MASTERPIECE 😤
What if he really did though? (it'd be cool. honestly though... Saddest Song is pretty skippable to me. that may knock it off the needledrop Classic Album tier, even though I would personally call it a classic.)
Bad operation is a killer new ska band.
Jaya the cat is awesome and really underrated.
Ska needs no defense.
Love me some ska. Will definitely be checking this book out.
I am reading it now. It is great and will help you find a lot of new music.
Big ups to Skankin' Pickle. Sing along with fuckin' shreds. Watch your tone (your tone) watch your tone it'll do you in. Watch your tone (your tone) watch your tone it'll clue them in.
I listen to ska mid 2000s and i like to listen to mexican skacore. Ska music is big in latino american
I listened to almost exclusively Catch 22 and Mad Caddies in high school (and RX Bandits who had a touch of ska in their earlier work). While I don't listen to them as much these days, whenever I go back to them, they are still awesome.
19:52 With that being said, wouldn't it help the genre get that foot in if fantano used his platform to review more ska albums? He has a big platform and dominates RUclips when it comes to music reviews. I think it would help. At the same time I wonder if the amount of people who would go listen to ska would also be significant enough to actually make a change
Fantano should review some newer/underground ska bands for sure
omg Fantano's gonna check out Bad Operation
I guess I came at the perfect time since Five Iron Frenzy just put out one of the best albums in 2021. Ska is very deep into history, and I wonder what else am I missing to be fully into Ska
'Ska came before reggae' - Darren Barrett
Nothing makes me move like some fast and fun ska
Watching this has I just heard about Terry Hall passing. Long live ska 🏁
Recommandations I remember:
Skatalites
The Selecter
The Specials
Operation Ivy
Fishbone
MU330
Bad Operation
Jaya the cat is also awesome!
ska is like pop punk. everyone who loves it knows it sucks, and we don't care. it's fun and nostalgic.
I don't think people who like pop punk know it sucks lol
@The Patriots And Steelers Are Raging Inside Me bro I hate to break it to you...blink sucks
ska forever. ska never died.
Everyone really needs to checkout Bad Operation, but also any band on Bad Time Records. They are all really good ska punk bands and everyone one of them have their own sound.
when aaron's face was blurred at the beginning i was really hoping it would be bruce greene.
This guys is pulling off that hair and I don’t know how.
Let's Go Bowling, shout-out San Joaquin Valley. Shout-out Fresno CA. 559.
No one who matters thinks ska sucks
Fantano when are you gonna review a Reel Big Fish album???
Candy coated fury is fucking awesome!
Didn't think this would be as enlightening as it was, great convo.
the "fourth wave" keeps getting killed off because so many young people in great bands break up to go to college. I remember back in 2005 there were 5 really great ska bands in Cleveland, one had 8 people in it and a really talented organ player, all highschool kids. And they ALL broke up simultaneously. It felt like a massacre. the ska shows and community stopped dead in their tracks and never recovered. I imagine that story isn't unique, every city probably has their ska bands hitting the educational wall. The pressure these kids are under to get educated and quit being a musician, from their parents and community, has got to be crushing.
This book seriously needed an editor. It was like reading something a child wrote about ska
Actually bought the book a few months back because of this vid, it’s actually a really good read
Aarons face looks like a painting in this interview
Folly was such a great band.
Nobody should ever front on OG Jamaican ska or second wave British ska
My band teacher loves ska
they always do
I feel like I’ve seen the guy in your profile pic in a dream or something...
i love folly so much. i also have streetlight manifesto lyrics on my chest and ASOB still stands the test of time. but silly ska.... no thank you :( very rarely am i here for the silly ska.
thanks for the interview.
I think Five Iron Frenzy is probably the best ska band that ever existed. Their earlier albums are just unbelievable not as much into the latest stuff but jeez they made so many good albums..
Best ska band that ever existed feels reeeally strong to me. BUT I do think Upbeats and Beatdowns 100% belongs in that conversation with Losing Streak, Keasby Nights, Destruction By Definition etc of that era of grittier, aggressive but poppy ska punk. Ironically I'm currently listening to the Leonor Ortega episode of the In Defense of Ska podcast and loving it.
@@chrisrios1709 I just don't find many other ska bands that I can listen to an entire cd front to back and not skip a single song. And I can't help but feel myself starting to skank when I hear them xD
@@HarryToeface Word, no hate! The most violent pit I've ever been in was FIF at a Christian music festival so I know they can bring it. Any love for Brave Saint Saturn?
@@chrisrios1709 yesssss! I hadn't thought about that side project in awhile! Thank you for the reminder!
@@HarryToeface yeah those first 2 albums pop up about once a year and I'm never disappointed.
FNF recently had a mod called Vs Filip which covers ska music
I am still hoping for a review of The Mighty Mighty Bosstones' latest record, When God Was Great.
Who needs ska when you have polka
a lot of great christian ska bands too surprisingly! i love five iron frenzy but there also oc supertones, insyderz and the w’s - all worth a serious listen for sure
If ska spikes again, hopefully it's like a 2 tone late 70's - early to mid 80's and not a douchy biatch sublime thing. Not to say sublime is bad but.......... hope it's a skinhead thing
Hope its not a modern day skinhead thing tho hahaha
Sorry but we're getting Pop Ska instead. 100 Gecs Ska Revival.
Probably jazzy ska punk. It seems like every high school jazz band has a ska band form out of it.
@@ahhhhyes yeah, i mean modern day skinheads are cool asf but the majority of them are right-wing enthusiast, but well see. oh yeah and may 2 tone live on!!!
@@LatinaCreamQueen ewww ughghghh
Dance-punk & Ska mentioned in the same video, wow this was made for me
So glad Aaron put Hepcat in his top 10 they are incredible and sadly, pretty unknown.
Just ordered the book, sick video!
In Defence of Scar:
Scar-h from mw2 hell yeah
SHOUT OUT TO FOLLY
Ska came before reggae
I still have ska scattered through my general purpose playlist. Still think it's great party music. A lot of energy, good vibes. And less stoned lethargy than reggae.
Fast reggae does exist. Bob Marley & The Wailers have dozens of faster and energetic songs. Marley’s energetic performances was a part of his trademark.