Great review - love the new format - Just recently purchased a new Honda Forza 350. My first maxi scooter after having bigger bikes for many years. I have had it a month and covered 2,500 miles including a tour of the Brecon Beaons and Snowdonia, travelling up from my home in Cornwall. It will cruise comfortably at 70mph with power to spare on the motorway, loads of space for luggage, with the Honda top box and good under-seat storage can get all my gear on board easily. Returning 86mpg even on a Mway run at a pretty constant 70mph. As an older biker, the lighter weight and relaxed seating suits my dodgy joints and this bike does everything I need. One thing I notice is that you don't get the same amount of nods from other bikers which is a bit of a shame! Two wheels is two wheels so far as I am concerned. Recommend trying one to anyone that is curious - they really are great fun.
Although I've had a full licence for 30+ years, I do enjoy reviews on smaller bikes. It's great to see, one of the larger, more popular channels, reviewing a 125. Learner riders are our future?! Well done TMF 👏 👍 Grumps
Awesome of you Andy to cover 125cc scooters on your channel, well done!! You rarely see this on other RUclips channels and its really great to share all this information with all new riders or even those who might consider a great commuter bike!! 👍👍
The PCX engine became a 150cc about 9 years ago in Asia and is now a 155cc to compete with other brands. The extra power is needed with a pillion or steep hill. I have an 11 year old PCX that is still going strong after 55000km. tips: using idle stop and alarm too often will give you a very short battery life. Drive belts do not last too much longer than 20000km. Take care in the wet it is easy to lose traction
Yeah in the modern world 150 is a pretty sweet spot between economy and being able to travel at modern car speeds on most roads. 125… it’s just an out of date licensing restriction IMhO that was from the era of the family car making way less than 100bhp and roads being a lot less busy. Nowadays struggling to get up to 100kph is rediculous even for learners as they have no choice but to use the faster roads
Splicing good quality B roll is a great way to be time efficient and keep it interesting. Close up footage of the instrument cluster and other features is much appreciated, especially if there is an issue to highlight. Sometimes slow rolling around things like the front end is nice. Still images of things like color options and comparison bikes, really any reference to what your addressing at the moment makes the video more engaging. But, the fact that you plan and prepare for your videos so they flow well, whether a walkaround or B roll, sets you apart from those who have, slow, vague, and info deficient videos. Great video, as usual.
I've now watched this review three times. I am soon changing jobs and my 110 mile mostly motorway return journey a day will soon be 12 miles mostly town riding a day. This bike makes so much more sense than the ZZR1400 I currently commute on. Seriously tempted.
I've been waiting 6 weeks to take delivery of mine (I am not a patient person LOL) and this Friday I actually get it :-) .... watching your video every night has helped pass the the time and made the wait easier knowing I'm getting a 'Good En' Thanks Quinny
I bought one of these for my Missus to learn to ride on last year and thought she'd want to stay 'auto' but quickly she wanted to go for a full fat manual bike so we sold it. I have to say it was great though. I zipped around on it quite a bit. I loved the finish and the quality and for city riding it is absolutely perfect.
Quite like that experimental format of reviews jumping back to bits of the walk-around 👌🏻 Might help hold onto some viewers with a shorter attention span haha
I’m about to get one of these as my daily commuter here in the States. It doesn’t have the idle stop here, but it’s 160ccs instead of 125ccs. Looks like a great little scoot. 👍🏼
What a great little scoot! If I ever decide to change my Honda 125 Innova I'd consider this. The Innova doesn't look as cool as that, but it does have nice big 17" wheels and a centre stand as well as a side stand. And a basket on the front to chuck your gloves and helmet into when you stop!
I've had a PCX and now got a Forza 300. It was a rewarding feeling having the auto start tech on the PCX. Sitting at a red light knowing I wasn't wasting any of the fuel I'd paid for. Apparently the tech isn't suitable for larger engines on a motorcycle - I'm not a mechanic or design engineer, so I can't say why. The under seat storage any scooter has is a luxury over conventional motorcycles but the PCX falls a little short here because part of the attraction to owning a scooter is being able to park, store your helmet under the seat and go about your business without carrying your helmet with you... the PCX will only take the smallest of helmets under the seat. My Forza definitely takes 1 helmet and is advertised to take 2 but I haven't tried. I'm 5'11" and the Forza is comfier. It just fits me better. The extra wind protection is luxurious and the extra power makes it a more substantial 2-wheeler. The smaller PCX is marginally better at nipping through traffic but the Forza gets through almost any gap the PCX does. I think there's a few of factors making the 125 the best seller. First, it's cheap. Second, a lot of people never go for their full licence, which I find odd because they have to keep redoing their CBT every 2years. Lastly, the rise of fast food delivery apps and a lot of delivery job opportunities with that, means more people are getting little scooters as a working vehicle. Andy, if you liked the PCX, try to get a loan of a Forza, they really are good.
Great first review. I bought one of these a month ago in Spain. I added a Shad topcase. Waiting for Givi to start shipping a better windscreen for as you have noticed, there is not much wind protection with the stock screen. Otherwise a great little scoot and more sophisticated than you would expect at this price. I am averaging 2.1 l/100 km on mine. If you get the 4 year warranty here in Spain they include Honda MapIt which is a decent GPS tracking solution with a dedicated app.
Great REVIEW as usual I done my CBT at the young age of 50 never ever thought about two wheels got a pcx just for work and back fell in love with two wheels was hoping to do my big boys licence last year thanks covid doing my theory soon and Andy why do bikers not nod at us scooters 🙁 I thought we all belonged in the biking family.
@@TheMissendenFlyer thank you.🏍 and Andy I'm looking at the cbx500 hopefully when i pass!!!! Would you recommend and I enjoy your vids you was my first!! 😁 now I'm looking at bikes all the time ride safe and keep up the good work and well done Mrs fly
Very good video! A small suggestion: could you possibly show metric measurements on screen whenever you mention something in miles or inches or feet? I'm sure you must have more viewers from metric countries than just me, and this would be much appreciated.
This is my other "bike" in the garage, as we use it on the back of a camper van as it's the only scooter we can have which isn't too heavy for the van carrier, but a scooter with great storage for leaving your gear in when parking up and visiting places, especially with an additional top box. We scootered around the Lakes 2up, no problem keeping up with traffic. I wish it would have slightly more power, as you are riding it full throttle most of the time on fast roads, but overall an excellent bike. Even my Mrs has taken her CBT and likes riding it and thinking of doing her full test!
Love the front end design. This is the kind of bike where I think, if it had a slight change of design and a bigger engine I’d go for one (basically I want Kaneda’s bike from Akira).
These things are great for around town. I'd say it's the smallest bike you'd want since it can do 45mph (72kph) reliably but I've had them up to 55mph (88kph) with the wind and it can keep up with traffic no problem. Great alternative to a moped and Honda does a great job with their scooters.
@@JDMz Perhaps it's a regional limitation. I'm in the U.S. and the scooter will go as fast as the engine will take it, but scooters over 49cc are considered motorcycles here so there's no reason to limit it. The one I had would do 55mph (88kph) or a little faster with a strong wind.
Thanks Andy, not surprised it's a UK top seller. I have the sh125 basically the same engine, I'm getting 137 mpg or so on long journeys. Would consider the pcx, but full screen and top box on the sh an advantage. Being 6ft 3inches might find the pcx cramped, as you suggested.
Very interesting, for me especially living in one of the scooter capitals of the world. Here, in Thailand, the PCX 150 is very popular, not the 125. I nearly bought one except they were just to big for 'scooting'. The Yamaha Aerox 155 was much better, as comfortable, stable at speed, nippier in traffic, cheaper, not to big and easier to ride. Most Thai's think the PCX are just to bulky..... I'm guessing the PCX is limited to 125 in the UK because of licencing rules but the difference is considerable with the 150cc. My Dutch friend has the PCX, he is 6'5'' and looks comfortable.
Under seat storage is very dependent upon the helmet so check your own at the dealer if it’s important for you. I have a full face XL Shoei and it fits no problem at all.
The biggest seller here in Aus, the CB 125E for a few years now. Here where we pay an absolute premium to own a motorcycle at $3,500 ride away it’s not a wonder.
Surprised to see this bike pop up on your channel and had to watch as my dad had one of these to get about on for the last few years of his life. It was even the same red. I used to ride it all the time. It was a great fun little bike and watching your video still is. It hasn't changed a lot by the looks of it and as you say great bikes for wimpy fellas too. LOL
Great to see a real world motorcycle review, well done Andy. Any chance Mrs F. will have a go, would be good for first timers to get a different perspective.
Thought your new video style worked well. Started of on a 125 scooter for the London commute and loved it, so much better than packed tube trains and good fun too and so cheap to run. Cheers TMF
Nice little scooter, never ridden one. I do love my Chinese Orcal Astor 125 in France, looks the bees knees too in of all things 'British racing green' I kid you not! And great for traffic. But I do like the look of this. Looking forward to more. Thank you.
Although I've only ever owned motorcycles, I must admit to seeing appeal in these quiet little scooters... they look very practical but also like a lot of fun in town. They're very uncommon here in Canada though since our roads are generally too fast for them (and in much too poor condition!) and you need the same full license either way. Doesn't help that we can't lane filter at all so the main attraction doesn't apply here, sadly.
I have been riding an SH150i, which uses the same powertrain as the PCX here in Brazil (and its adv version), and frequently I see myself in the garage wondering whether to take the Tiger or the SH to go into town. Bought it for my wife a couple years ago and since she hasn’t been able to get her motorcycle license, I’m left with two bikes to ride. Love scooters for the daily grind. And it does 42 km/l, which is brilliant.
I had indicated 70 downhill. But will do 60 easily on level. Only a 125 after all. But they are so slick. No starter motor. First thing you hear is exhaust as it starts.
I had a 2015 (2nd gen, 2021 is the 4th gen) from new up until May. 50,375 miles mostly on single-carriageways (finally got full A1 in September '19) but with lots on faster A and motorways as well. Amazing little bikes- will do 60 mph all day, or at least until you need to give your wrist a break. 120 mpg even thrashing it, 130+ on slower roads. Very reliable- the electrics on mine went haywire in the end & it was spending more time at the menders than on the road, so I gave up on it, but parts are cheap from breakers (wiring loom and ECU less than £100....for both). Mine got fixed by its new owner and is taxed again, so hopefully making someone else smile as much. The 2021 looks like a real step forward, would buy another happily.
I've had the white one and now the Matt black. The white used to show the dirt very quickly. Dust and dirt seem to fall off the black. I now simply hose the bike now and again , comes up like new.
A 125cc is perfect for commuting, and cheap. My Motorhispania NKZ 125 was 1.700 pounds brand new here in Norway. 20 liter tank, and does 2.2L/100km. Only 11 horses and 9Nm, so not the quickest of things, but more than enough in the city. Would actually love to see more middleweight bikes, like 250cc and 300cc.
Good review thanks. I’ve had a 2016 PCX150 since new and love it. Biggest issue for me is the harsh suspension. I fitted YSS shocks, which helped a bit but it can still deliver a good whack on rough roads. There are some sealed roads here in Sydney I avoid on the scoot.
Why do you think there is so much difference in riding gear with scooters vs bikes. Same impact when you come off Absolutely loving your channel btw as a 2 year new rider you provide amazing advice and guidance
£3000 seems a fair price for a useful piece of kit, my only real worry with these things is the cost of OEM mirrors & plastics etc. - ie. to return them to a 'dealer sell-able' state following even a minor spill & slither. (Maybe there's a market for s/h 'broken' plastics? Tastefully repaired with tie-wrap 'Frankenstein' stitches & primer - "Retro-fit these to your new bike & ride around confident in the knowledge that no one in their right mind is going to even think about stealing it . . not only that, but come 'sell-on' time, a quick swap back & the bike's immaculate!" : )
I do enjoy the reviews of the ‘little bikes’! Great vid as always TMF - it looks pretty snazzy. It’d be pretty cool to see a comparison between this and the new gen 2 nmax from a western perspective. Up until now it’s been pretty simple - PCX had all the toys, nmax had slightly better performance handling and storage, now the PCX is a bit nippier and the nmax has the traction control, and the why-would-any-scooter-owner-want-this feature where the engine turns itself off once you’ve filtered to the front of the traffic. So they’re much more comparable now
I just inherited a 2009 Piaggio 50. I've secretly lusted after a scooter since seeing them while in the military over seas. I'll park her next to my trusty Moto Guzzi and take the bashing I'm going to recieve from my motorcycle mates. Little do they know what they'll be missing. 😉 Thanks for the vid. 👌
Good to see you expanding your horizons Andy, a very nice bit of kit for urban commuting methinks, except of course in the rain!! Having owned and ridden 5 Lambrettas in the 60's from J125 to SX200 I just want to know what happened to your parker?
Will Mrs Flyer be wanting to try it out? I think the PCX maybe losing its crown this year I'm definitely seeing more of the new Yamaha NMAX on the road, around London anyway.
I.m 6ft 4. Had one for a year. More comfy than my interceptor. Bars need rotating forward a little for me. I bought mine from honda dealer new at start of lockdown new for 2395. Sold to dealer in London this year for 2400!!!! 4000mile of fun for free. (Bike)
Guy I know lost his foot by riding with sandals and shorts in Malaysia. 125 cc Scooters can easily reach speeds up to 80mph. Weird how people think that wearing no protective gear going even 40mph on a scooter is somewhat more safe when coming off it in an accident than a motorcycle.
Hi from the land that forgot scooters, Canada, it really sucks if you are a scooter rider in Canada, if you want a scooter from the Japanese maunufacturers all you can choose from is Honda Rukus, Suzuki Burgman 400 or Yamaha BWS 125. I was lucky enough to get my hands on a brand new old stock Yamaha SMAX 155cc which they don't sell here anymore.
Nice review. Looks very high quality & easy to see why it's a best seller. Not really in to scooters but makes a lot of sense for urban riding & if I lived in a busy City I'd definitely consider it as a second vehicle.
Great review. Nice scooter, fantastic value. I have a 2015 Forza 300, put the Honda touring screen on and wind/weather protection is great. Hope you can get a test of the new 350 Forza.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Larger capacity (500cc+) bikes tend to be closer (-15%) to UK prices, but anything over 300cc is counterproductive to safely navigate potential hazards (potholes, slower bikes, people and other wildlife). There are a few standout bargains here, my other pic for out of town was a Honda XLR150, a great bike, that was just 89,900PHP (£1300) OTR.
honda always says that new model accelates better and uses less fuel. I'd like to compare 2 models 2013 vs 2023 to see how much they improved over 10 years.
You can’t really go wrong with a Honda .& the PCX has always been a good runaround .& priced reasonable for a Honda .The only negatives I can see is the stop start gubbins ,as it’s not good for any engine to be starting more than necessary as most wear is on start up .The amount of juice a 125 uses is negligible anyway so like the traction control & keyless palaver a bit overkill .I can imagine people getting stranded on freezing wet dark nights if & when that electrickery gubbins goes wrong .All Honda needed to do was make the screen taller ,add variable valve timing like the N max & create more space under the seat & cut out the gimmicks keep the price down .If it ain’t broke no need to fix it .Good review as per usual Mr Flyer .Scooters have their place & can be superior in the correct environment 👍
Yea when I am older I would consider one of these for a scooter looks great and much easier to clean than my cb500x could due Uber eats delivery when I retire
Looks a cool piece of kit. Maybe you could let Mrs flyer have a go i think she would love it, especially as you have the gold wing or the GS for those two up days or weeks away
I'd love to have a go on one of these, as a means of transport they make a lot of sense. The thing that would put me off owning one is I do see them as a bigger target for theft than a geared bike, the stats may prove me wrong 🤷♂️
Do you think the 125 limit for learners makes sense? Always wondered if it'd be better for the CBT to be more intensive but allow people to ride 250s or something. I don't think it's enough extra power to make it any less controllable but it might let people keep up with and get out of the way of traffic a bit better.
I had a PCX 150 before the the Trident. I find the wind was worse on the PCX than the Trident. The last two tanks I ran on the PCX I was using 1.9 litres per 100km.
Nice review ! What would be the better buy the pcx125 or the new forza125? Do you have any experience with the forza125 and what is the difference between the 2 bikes ?
Never been a fan of scooters but I can see they do have their place. Also don't see a need for the idle stop feature on such a frugal machine...couldn't use much fuel at idle and not produce much pollution either . At the price you quoted I think I would have to go for a full size 125cc motorcycle from any of the Japanese makers...not that much more $$...but that's just me 😀😁😉 cheers!
I had a PCX about 5 years ago for commuting as I didn't want to use my Shadow 1100 for short journeys. I have had 31 bikes in my lifetime and I can honestly say that it is one of my top 5! First scooter I had owned and I loved it. Unfortunately the light weight and ease of use meant that it was attractive to thieves and there were 3 attempts to take it in 12 months. In my 14th month of ownership some b*****d decided to drop kick me off the bike and attempt to damage me before stealing the bike. He wasn't successful with the first aim as I have many years of martial arts experience, which meant that none of his attempts to hit me did so. However I wasn't going to escalate the fight when I didn't know what he or his accomplice were carrying or prepared to do. So he took the scooter. Police very helpfully sent me a crime number by text. The scooter actually turned up, still in the area, 3 years later. That is another story!? This experience put me off buying a small scooter and I went back to the 1100, although I am now considering. Forza 350.
UK police are a joke. In Vietnam PCX isn't popular anymore (designed for Europeans not Asians body shape), theft here exists but in super low numbers, usually only high end import bikes, and backpacker type bikes that look basically abandoned. If a bike was stolen here the police response is pretty impressive here, and the results are fast and erm, yeah, they tend to not re-offend. UK is pathetic for policing anything other than doing 63 mph in a 60 mph zone.
Is it the 2021 and up thats got the imobilazers or has the 2020 got it to ? I want one but dont want it if you can just hotwire it i like the 2020 tho the dash looks cleaner has the 2020 got imoblizer or not ?
I've had 2 of them and they have been faultless and so reliable I would highly recommend them to first time buyers
Do you think it’s better than a Forza 125cc?
@@ricardogomes6898 no idea never owned a Forza so can't really comment
No surprise there... Just about anything with a Honda badge =reliable
What's the quality of the plastic parts? Does it rattle, or squeak on bumps?
@@ricardogomes6898 only in storage. They're both horrendous on suspension though.
Great review - love the new format - Just recently purchased a new Honda Forza 350. My first maxi scooter after having bigger bikes for many years. I have had it a month and covered 2,500 miles including a tour of the Brecon Beaons and Snowdonia, travelling up from my home in Cornwall. It will cruise comfortably at 70mph with power to spare on the motorway, loads of space for luggage, with the Honda top box and good under-seat storage can get all my gear on board easily. Returning 86mpg even on a Mway run at a pretty constant 70mph. As an older biker, the lighter weight and relaxed seating suits my dodgy joints and this bike does everything I need. One thing I notice is that you don't get the same amount of nods from other bikers which is a bit of a shame! Two wheels is two wheels so far as I am concerned. Recommend trying one to anyone that is curious - they really are great fun.
Agreed all round!
Hello..i kind of model of shad did you purchase for your PCX?..tks
Agree . Here in France motorcyclists refuse to recognise scooters . Just stupid. I've been riding two wheels since the 60's.
Although I've had a full licence for 30+ years, I do enjoy reviews on smaller bikes.
It's great to see, one of the larger, more popular channels, reviewing a 125.
Learner riders are our future?!
Well done TMF 👏 👍
Grumps
And riders of the past of course
Awesome of you Andy to cover 125cc scooters on your channel, well done!! You rarely see this on other RUclips channels and its really great to share all this information with all new riders or even those who might consider a great commuter bike!! 👍👍
Thanks! 👍
The PCX engine became a 150cc about 9 years ago in Asia and is now a 155cc to compete with other brands. The extra power is needed with a pillion or steep hill. I have an 11 year old PCX that is still going strong after 55000km. tips: using idle stop and alarm too often will give you a very short battery life. Drive belts do not last too much longer than 20000km. Take care in the wet it is easy to lose traction
Here in Brazil it is 150 since its launch. The same power train is also used on the Adv version and the SH (which I own).
It's a 125cc in Europe due to how licenses work. It fits in the A1 class which is where learners start out.
I've got an older PCX. Really nimble and practical. The Stop/start feature killed the battery after a while so I stopped using it.
The stock tires were not good when wet, but the Michelin City tires are much better.
Yeah in the modern world 150 is a pretty sweet spot between economy and being able to travel at modern car speeds on most roads.
125… it’s just an out of date licensing restriction IMhO that was from the era of the family car making way less than 100bhp and roads being a lot less busy. Nowadays struggling to get up to 100kph is rediculous even for learners as they have no choice but to use the faster roads
Splicing good quality B roll is a great way to be time efficient and keep it interesting. Close up footage of the instrument cluster and other features is much appreciated, especially if there is an issue to highlight. Sometimes slow rolling around things like the front end is nice. Still images of things like color options and comparison bikes, really any reference to what your addressing at the moment makes the video more engaging. But, the fact that you plan and prepare for your videos so they flow well, whether a walkaround or B roll, sets you apart from those who have, slow, vague, and info deficient videos. Great video, as usual.
One of the best reviews I've seen on RUclips
Thank you!
I've now watched this review three times. I am soon changing jobs and my 110 mile mostly motorway return journey a day will soon be 12 miles mostly town riding a day. This bike makes so much more sense than the ZZR1400 I currently commute on. Seriously tempted.
I think this would be perfect for the job!
Totally agree. Great town bike.
I'm a full licence holder but commute on a sh125. Love it!
Great review, liking the ‘new’ format with cut sections - excellent. Really fancy a scooter, makes more sense than my car for shorter journeys
Glad you like the new format Michael - I'll do a few more like this in future as feedback has generally been positive...
I've been waiting 6 weeks to take delivery of mine (I am not a patient person LOL) and this Friday I actually get it :-) .... watching your video every night has helped pass the the time and made the wait easier knowing I'm getting a 'Good En' Thanks Quinny
Congratulations!
I bought one of these for my Missus to learn to ride on last year and thought she'd want to stay 'auto' but quickly she wanted to go for a full fat manual bike so we sold it. I have to say it was great though. I zipped around on it quite a bit. I loved the finish and the quality and for city riding it is absolutely perfect.
Couldn't agree more - a no brainer in the city....
Quite like that experimental format of reviews jumping back to bits of the walk-around 👌🏻
Might help hold onto some viewers with a shorter attention span haha
Yes, I’ve a few in the can like that - thanks for the feedback….
Agreed.
Nice one TMF! As a 125 rider I enjoy seeing you review 125s
Cool - and thanks!
I’m about to get one of these as my daily commuter here in the States. It doesn’t have the idle stop here, but it’s 160ccs instead of 125ccs. Looks like a great little scoot. 👍🏼
What a great little scoot! If I ever decide to change my Honda 125 Innova I'd consider this. The Innova doesn't look as cool as that, but it does have nice big 17" wheels and a centre stand as well as a side stand. And a basket on the front to chuck your gloves and helmet into when you stop!
Congrats on your new GoldWing.... 4 weeks into my new PCX, brilliant bike, Great review, honest., keep up the great reviews 👍
Cool scoots aren’t they…
I've had a PCX and now got a Forza 300. It was a rewarding feeling having the auto start tech on the PCX. Sitting at a red light knowing I wasn't wasting any of the fuel I'd paid for. Apparently the tech isn't suitable for larger engines on a motorcycle - I'm not a mechanic or design engineer, so I can't say why.
The under seat storage any scooter has is a luxury over conventional motorcycles but the PCX falls a little short here because part of the attraction to owning a scooter is being able to park, store your helmet under the seat and go about your business without carrying your helmet with you... the PCX will only take the smallest of helmets under the seat. My Forza definitely takes 1 helmet and is advertised to take 2 but I haven't tried.
I'm 5'11" and the Forza is comfier. It just fits me better. The extra wind protection is luxurious and the extra power makes it a more substantial 2-wheeler.
The smaller PCX is marginally better at nipping through traffic but the Forza gets through almost any gap the PCX does.
I think there's a few of factors making the 125 the best seller. First, it's cheap. Second, a lot of people never go for their full licence, which I find odd because they have to keep redoing their CBT every 2years. Lastly, the rise of fast food delivery apps and a lot of delivery job opportunities with that, means more people are getting little scooters as a working vehicle.
Andy, if you liked the PCX, try to get a loan of a Forza, they really are good.
Great first review. I bought one of these a month ago in Spain. I added a Shad topcase. Waiting for Givi to start shipping a better windscreen for as you have noticed, there is not much wind protection with the stock screen. Otherwise a great little scoot and more sophisticated than you would expect at this price. I am averaging 2.1 l/100 km on mine. If you get the 4 year warranty here in Spain they include Honda MapIt which is a decent GPS tracking solution with a dedicated app.
I pick my brand new one up on Wednesday. I am so excited!
Congratulations!
Great REVIEW as usual I done my CBT at the young age of 50 never ever thought about two wheels got a pcx just for work and back fell in love with two wheels was hoping to do my big boys licence last year thanks covid doing my theory soon and Andy why do bikers not nod at us scooters 🙁 I thought we all belonged in the biking family.
I dunno Lee - I do!
@@TheMissendenFlyer thank you.🏍 and Andy I'm looking at the cbx500 hopefully when i pass!!!! Would you recommend and I enjoy your vids you was my first!! 😁 now I'm looking at bikes all the time ride safe and keep up the good work and well done Mrs fly
Was ment to say well done Mrs Fly for doing her CBT
best 125 scooter that exists! 🔥🔥
i have a 2020 one of these in the same colour. they are absolutely brilliant,i love mine.
They are super cool aren't they John....
I bought a new 2020 125 monkey to replace the old cg125, brilliant little bike
Hi Andy.
I do like that format. I think it makes it more interesting.
Glad to hear that! Thanks for the feedback….
Good to see reviews of real world bread and butter bikes. Enjoyed the review.
Very good video! A small suggestion: could you possibly show metric measurements on screen whenever you mention something in miles or inches or feet? I'm sure you must have more viewers from metric countries than just me, and this would be much appreciated.
Scooters are a great equalizer. Fun, practical, compact and easy to maintain.
Another class review. Nice format change. 👍
Thanks!
This is my other "bike" in the garage, as we use it on the back of a camper van as it's the only scooter we can have which isn't too heavy for the van carrier, but a scooter with great storage for leaving your gear in when parking up and visiting places, especially with an additional top box. We scootered around the Lakes 2up, no problem keeping up with traffic. I wish it would have slightly more power, as you are riding it full throttle most of the time on fast roads, but overall an excellent bike. Even my Mrs has taken her CBT and likes riding it and thinking of doing her full test!
On this specific video, I like your new video style of explaining between riding. Keeps some interest going in different parts of the video.
Yes a little experiment - I'll do more of that in future I think....
Love the front end design. This is the kind of bike where I think, if it had a slight change of design and a bigger engine I’d go for one (basically I want Kaneda’s bike from Akira).
I highly recommend this bike it has so much potential very comfortable and nimble scooter and no problems with honda pcx very economical
These things are great for around town. I'd say it's the smallest bike you'd want since it can do 45mph (72kph) reliably but I've had them up to 55mph (88kph) with the wind and it can keep up with traffic no problem. Great alternative to a moped and Honda does a great job with their scooters.
These will do 71mph. They're limited to 71
@@JDMz Perhaps it's a regional limitation. I'm in the U.S. and the scooter will go as fast as the engine will take it, but scooters over 49cc are considered motorcycles here so there's no reason to limit it. The one I had would do 55mph (88kph) or a little faster with a strong wind.
Fantastic review, gave me all the information I wanted to know :)
Glad it was helpful!
"You don't have to dress like a power ranger" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You are the funniest TMF
Here in Vietnam, I have a Yamaha NVX 155 (also called the Aerox). Have a 200cc upgrade, ECU and exhaust... it flies!
(Oh... and I'm nearly 6'6 and have no problems!)
Cool!
Thanks for the Review, had my PCX since May and love it. You can get a bigger front screen for it, and it does make a difference.
Low weight bikes/scooters are just alot of fun. In and around town they are better than the big boys I think.
Thanks Andy, not surprised it's a UK top seller. I have the sh125 basically the same engine, I'm getting 137 mpg or so on long journeys. Would consider the pcx, but full screen and top box on the sh an advantage. Being 6ft 3inches might find the pcx cramped, as you suggested.
I can't wait to get mine next year...Mine will be pearl white...❤
Very interesting, for me especially living in one of the scooter capitals of the world.
Here, in Thailand, the PCX 150 is very popular, not the 125. I nearly bought one except they were just to big for 'scooting'. The Yamaha Aerox 155 was much better, as comfortable, stable at speed, nippier in traffic, cheaper, not to big and easier to ride. Most Thai's think the PCX are just to bulky.....
I'm guessing the PCX is limited to 125 in the UK because of licencing rules but the difference is considerable with the 150cc. My Dutch friend has the PCX, he is 6'5'' and looks comfortable.
Under seat storage is very dependent upon the helmet so check your own at the dealer if it’s important for you. I have a full face XL Shoei and it fits no problem at all.
The biggest seller here in Aus, the CB 125E for a few years now. Here where we pay an absolute premium to own a motorcycle at $3,500 ride away it’s not a wonder.
Mmmm our prices are way cheaper than they are in the UK….
Surprised to see this bike pop up on your channel and had to watch as my dad had one of these to get about on for the last few years of his life. It was even the same red. I used to ride it all the time. It was a great fun little bike and watching your video still is. It hasn't changed a lot by the looks of it and as you say great bikes for wimpy fellas too. LOL
Great to see a real world motorcycle review, well done Andy. Any chance Mrs F. will have a go, would be good for first timers to get a different perspective.
...actually (secretly...on closd roads of course) she did have a go, and loved it! There may be some legal reasons why we didn't film that bit.....
Thought your new video style worked well. Started of on a 125 scooter for the London commute and loved it, so much better than packed tube trains and good fun too and so cheap to run. Cheers TMF
Cheers DD!
had a 2020 in red ,next wednesday get the latest model in matt blue ,they really are a great bike .
Nice little scooter, never ridden one. I do love my Chinese Orcal Astor 125 in France, looks the bees knees too in of all things 'British racing green' I kid you not! And great for traffic. But I do like the look of this. Looking forward to more. Thank you.
Stay tuned Ian!
i try not to buy chinese now.
Although I've only ever owned motorcycles, I must admit to seeing appeal in these quiet little scooters... they look very practical but also like a lot of fun in town. They're very uncommon here in Canada though since our roads are generally too fast for them (and in much too poor condition!) and you need the same full license either way. Doesn't help that we can't lane filter at all so the main attraction doesn't apply here, sadly.
I have been riding an SH150i, which uses the same powertrain as the PCX here in Brazil (and its adv version), and frequently I see myself in the garage wondering whether to take the Tiger or the SH to go into town. Bought it for my wife a couple years ago and since she hasn’t been able to get her motorcycle license, I’m left with two bikes to ride. Love scooters for the daily grind. And it does 42 km/l, which is brilliant.
Great review and what a fantastic little bike. I can see why people buy these in urban environments as they make a lot of sense.
Totally agree
I love the L/R indicator lights in the dash!
Me too!
Great little bike Andy, and 3k is an added bonus. Will be watching for top speed result, my 125 Tweet struggles past HGVs, Ride safe Andy.
I had indicated 70 downhill. But will do 60 easily on level. Only a 125 after all. But they are so slick. No starter motor. First thing you hear is exhaust as it starts.
A 2016 Honda PCX was my first ever bike. Then a Honda cb125f, now I got my full licence and ride a Suzuki Bandit 600
Nice little outtake at the end😊
Thanks for staying until the bitter end!
I had a 2015 (2nd gen, 2021 is the 4th gen) from new up until May. 50,375 miles mostly on single-carriageways (finally got full A1 in September '19) but with lots on faster A and motorways as well. Amazing little bikes- will do 60 mph all day, or at least until you need to give your wrist a break. 120 mpg even thrashing it, 130+ on slower roads. Very reliable- the electrics on mine went haywire in the end & it was spending more time at the menders than on the road, so I gave up on it, but parts are cheap from breakers (wiring loom and ECU less than £100....for both). Mine got fixed by its new owner and is taxed again, so hopefully making someone else smile as much. The 2021 looks like a real step forward, would buy another happily.
Did you ever get valve clearances checked 🤔
@@savagejabbit5929 Those would have been done, yes. Electrical problems were entirely separate...
Thanks... Was only asking as wife has sh 125 and I was wondering if I needed to get in there and inspect 😬 don't trust dealer to do it 😉
I've had the white one and now the Matt black. The white used to show the dirt very quickly. Dust and dirt seem to fall off the black. I now simply hose the bike now and again , comes up like new.
A 125cc is perfect for commuting, and cheap. My Motorhispania NKZ 125 was 1.700 pounds brand new here in Norway. 20 liter tank, and does 2.2L/100km.
Only 11 horses and 9Nm, so not the quickest of things, but more than enough in the city.
Would actually love to see more middleweight bikes, like 250cc and 300cc.
Good review thanks. I’ve had a 2016 PCX150 since new and love it. Biggest issue for me is the harsh suspension. I fitted YSS shocks, which helped a bit but it can still deliver a good whack on rough roads. There are some sealed roads here in Sydney I avoid on the scoot.
Thanks for sharing Adrian - all the best!
Cracking review Andy, great bike as expected. If you can get your hands on a sh350i have a go, the low down pull is impressive!
Not sure I’ve come across one of those Charlie? Who makes it…??
@@TheMissendenFlyer honda sh350i.......has the same engine as the forza 350 but less weight...I get 78mpg from mine...😀
i have one of these as well as the pcx.very smooth and powerful and when my wife is pillion handles it perfectly.
Great review as always… I’ve got the Honda Forza 300 with the electric front screen great machine .
Why do you think there is so much difference in riding gear with scooters vs bikes. Same impact when you come off
Absolutely loving your channel btw as a 2 year new rider you provide amazing advice and guidance
Thanks....and you're right about the grar don't know why I said that rerally.
Just what the other half wants for her work around town. Good price,great colour, ill definitely be stealing for a ride off her!
4:29 just fyi that's not the engine, that's the airbox and clutch/variator housing, connected by the dive belt. the engine is under the seat.
I Have one 10/10 highly recommend
Usual professional presentation.
Thank you very much!
£3000 seems a fair price for a useful piece of kit, my only real worry with these things is the cost of OEM mirrors & plastics etc. - ie. to return them to a 'dealer sell-able' state following even a minor spill & slither.
(Maybe there's a market for s/h 'broken' plastics? Tastefully repaired with tie-wrap 'Frankenstein' stitches & primer -
"Retro-fit these to your new bike & ride around confident in the knowledge that no one in their right mind is going to even think about stealing it . . not only that, but come 'sell-on' time, a quick swap back & the bike's immaculate!" : )
I do enjoy the reviews of the ‘little bikes’! Great vid as always TMF - it looks pretty snazzy.
It’d be pretty cool to see a comparison between this and the new gen 2 nmax from a western perspective. Up until now it’s been pretty simple - PCX had all the toys, nmax had slightly better performance handling and storage, now the PCX is a bit nippier and the nmax has the traction control, and the why-would-any-scooter-owner-want-this feature where the engine turns itself off once you’ve filtered to the front of the traffic. So they’re much more comparable now
Two wheeled urban transportation… what more do you want around town 🤙
I just inherited a 2009 Piaggio 50. I've secretly lusted after a scooter since seeing them while in the military over seas. I'll park her next to my trusty Moto Guzzi and take the bashing I'm going to recieve from my motorcycle mates. Little do they know what they'll be missing. 😉 Thanks for the vid. 👌
Good to see you expanding your horizons Andy, a very nice bit of kit for urban commuting methinks, except of course in the rain!! Having owned and ridden 5 Lambrettas in the 60's from J125 to SX200 I just want to know what happened to your parker?
@@soaruk3697 Yes thanks soar, memory fade strikes again!!
Hi Andy. Couldn’t believe how bad the roads were on this test ride, they were absolutely shocking, pot holes everywhere. Stay safe.
Welcome to the South East of England!
Will Mrs Flyer be wanting to try it out? I think the PCX maybe losing its crown this year I'm definitely seeing more of the new Yamaha NMAX on the road, around London anyway.
I.m 6ft 4. Had one for a year. More comfy than my interceptor. Bars need rotating forward a little for me. I bought mine from honda dealer new at start of lockdown new for 2395. Sold to dealer in London this year for 2400!!!! 4000mile of fun for free. (Bike)
Winner!
Scooters are a bit of fun. Hired them in Vietnam, Thailand & Greece (Santorini) riding two up in shorts & sandals. Fit right in with the locals.
Guy I know lost his foot by riding with sandals and shorts in Malaysia. 125 cc Scooters can easily reach speeds up to 80mph. Weird how people think that wearing no protective gear going even 40mph on a scooter is somewhat more safe when coming off it in an accident than a motorcycle.
@@onskyk yes I know the risks & I don’t ride at 80. A guy I know got hit by a car crossing the road. Perhaps we better not cross the road.
Hi from the land that forgot scooters, Canada, it really sucks if you are a scooter rider in Canada, if you want a scooter from the Japanese maunufacturers all you can choose from is Honda Rukus, Suzuki Burgman 400 or Yamaha BWS 125. I was lucky enough to get my hands on a brand new old stock Yamaha SMAX 155cc which they don't sell here anymore.
Really? I had no idea it was such an issue to get hold of them in the colonies.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer We used to have a Kymco dealer in Vancouver but they closed a few years ago.
Nice review. Looks very high quality & easy to see why it's a best seller. Not really in to scooters but makes a lot of sense for urban riding & if I lived in a busy City I'd definitely consider it as a second vehicle.
Me too - no brainier in town, so practical.
A honda scoopy is about 400 USD secondhand in our tiny Bali island, smaller than the pcx but still does the job
We don’t get those here….
Great review. Nice scooter, fantastic value. I have a 2015 Forza 300, put the Honda touring screen on and wind/weather protection is great. Hope you can get a test of the new 350 Forza.
Nice review, I have the SE Asia 157cc version, the PCX160 it has 15.6hp, great bike and only £1945 OTR (133,900PHP)
Wow what a bargain!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Larger capacity (500cc+) bikes tend to be closer (-15%) to UK prices, but anything over 300cc is counterproductive to safely navigate potential hazards (potholes, slower bikes, people and other wildlife). There are a few standout bargains here, my other pic for out of town was a Honda XLR150, a great bike, that was just 89,900PHP (£1300) OTR.
honda always says that new model accelates better and uses less fuel.
I'd like to compare 2 models 2013 vs 2023 to see how much they improved over 10 years.
You can’t really go wrong with a Honda .& the PCX has always been a good runaround .& priced reasonable for a Honda .The only negatives I can see is the stop start gubbins ,as it’s not good for any engine to be starting more than necessary as most wear is on start up .The amount of juice a 125 uses is negligible anyway so like the traction control & keyless palaver a bit overkill .I can imagine people getting stranded on freezing wet dark nights if & when that electrickery gubbins goes wrong .All Honda needed to do was make the screen taller ,add variable valve timing like the N max & create more space under the seat & cut out the gimmicks keep the price down .If it ain’t broke no need to fix it .Good review as per usual Mr Flyer .Scooters have their place & can be superior in the correct environment 👍
I agree!
Great watch, the Mrs's will be the 150 with large windshield
That would be a way to go when money runs out, paying for example for a Goldwing...
nice review honda do love u lol keep em coming
Yea when I am older I would consider one of these for a scooter looks great and much easier to clean than my cb500x could due Uber eats delivery when I retire
Seems like a good city bike at a good price. It’s a nice looking bike as well and it seems like they’ve continued with the winning formula.
Yes in town it’s a no brainier for me!
Makes a lot of sense if you have a daily commute through a city or large town. Nice machine.
Sure does....
Looks a cool piece of kit. Maybe you could let Mrs flyer have a go i think she would love it, especially as you have the gold wing or the GS for those two up days or weeks away
She did have a go and she did love it!
Try taking it for a long ride. I did 250 miles on my 125 Supercub. It was great fun through the back roads.
Looks great for city riders and you should obviously do a video being a delivery rider for the day! 😅
I'd eat all the Pizzas!
I'd love to have a go on one of these, as a means of transport they make a lot of sense. The thing that would put me off owning one is I do see them as a bigger target for theft than a geared bike, the stats may prove me wrong 🤷♂️
the stats agree
Do you think the 125 limit for learners makes sense? Always wondered if it'd be better for the CBT to be more intensive but allow people to ride 250s or something. I don't think it's enough extra power to make it any less controllable but it might let people keep up with and get out of the way of traffic a bit better.
Yes you may be e right…
I like this scooter. Unfortunately here in the USA the MSRP is $4,000 with ABS and only available in white.
I had a PCX 150 before the the Trident. I find the wind was worse on the PCX than the Trident. The last two tanks I ran on the PCX I was using 1.9 litres per 100km.
Nice review ! What would be the better buy the pcx125 or the new forza125? Do you have any experience with the forza125 and what is the difference between the 2 bikes ?
No Ive not yet ridden the Forza so can’t comment.
Never been a fan of scooters but I can see they do have their place. Also don't see a need for the idle stop feature on such a frugal machine...couldn't use much fuel at idle and not produce much pollution either . At the price you quoted I think I would have to go for a full size 125cc motorcycle from any of the Japanese makers...not that much more $$...but that's just me 😀😁😉 cheers!
Fair enough...
I had a PCX about 5 years ago for commuting as I didn't want to use my Shadow 1100 for short journeys. I have had 31 bikes in my lifetime and I can honestly say that it is one of my top 5! First scooter I had owned and I loved it. Unfortunately the light weight and ease of use meant that it was attractive to thieves and there were 3 attempts to take it in 12 months. In my 14th month of ownership some b*****d decided to drop kick me off the bike and attempt to damage me before stealing the bike. He wasn't successful with the first aim as I have many years of martial arts experience, which meant that none of his attempts to hit me did so. However I wasn't going to escalate the fight when I didn't know what he or his accomplice were carrying or prepared to do. So he took the scooter. Police very helpfully sent me a crime number by text.
The scooter actually turned up, still in the area, 3 years later. That is another story!?
This experience put me off buying a small scooter and I went back to the 1100, although I am now considering. Forza 350.
Crikey.....
UK police are a joke. In Vietnam PCX isn't popular anymore (designed for Europeans not Asians body shape), theft here exists but in super low numbers, usually only high end import bikes, and backpacker type bikes that look basically abandoned. If a bike was stolen here the police response is pretty impressive here, and the results are fast and erm, yeah, they tend to not re-offend. UK is pathetic for policing anything other than doing 63 mph in a 60 mph zone.
it is possible to have after market windshield for this scooter helping wind in the face.
Can you ride this in the UK without a bike licence?
You can ride it with a CBT on “L” plates….or get a bike licence…
Is it the 2021 and up thats got the imobilazers or has the 2020 got it to ? I want one but dont want it if you can just hotwire it i like the 2020 tho the dash looks cleaner has the 2020 got imoblizer or not ?
I don’t know I’m afraid!