Warriors Fandom, We Need To Talk - The Sagutoyas Incident (CHECK DESCRIPTION AND PINNED)
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Please be safe and be aware.
Sagutoyas beware document (the link should be fixed and working again): web.archive.or...
The thread I quoted: / 1624917366428561413
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Wait, HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS UNTIL NOW? UNTIL OVER A YEAR LATER? I'VE BEEN WATCHING SALLY FOR SO LONG AND I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THIS-
the only reason i found out about this in the first place was when sally appeared on that one episode of blixemi’s mouse brained gameshow, blixemi left a pinned comment saying sally wouldn’t be allowed on the show anymore. i think sally won on that episode, but because of this being revealed and her no longer being allowed on the show, i think whoever she competed against (either finchwing or moonkitti) will be replacing her once blix gets around to the semi-finals (if the first semi-finals episode hasnt been uploaded yet)
Same
The only reason I found this video is because of the people making edits and crediting and it says “Sagutoyas (don’t support)” and I had to figure out why.
it's so incredibly frustrating and disappointing to see Sally stoop to this level. it never fails to disgust me to see this kind of behavior, especially since I've been groomed in a similar way before. I hope the victim is doing okay and has broken contact with Sally and anyone involved in keeping this under wraps
I'm sorry to hear :C
I forget, what is grooming? I just need a bit more info.
@@VolleyTheTheaterKid It's like pedophilia basically, involves sexual activity with kids/minors. There could also be gaslighting, manipulation and other bad stuff involved in grooming.
Yes I really wish the best to all thr victims of that kind of sh*t, including you. Stay strong, I believe in you.
@@VolleyTheTheaterKid in a simplified version of what I understood : when an pedophile warms up and manipulates a minor to then engage in romantic or sexual activity with them. Please infrom me if I am wrong
this is honestly heartbreaking. As an animator just starting out, I looked up to Sagutoyas, as I thought their animations were amazing and that they were a kind person. I didn't know about this, and it's really sad to think that there are probably more people like me experiencing the same feelings. thank you for sharing this, as it's necessary that it comes to light.
Many animators i looked up to have been exposed for being horrible,it’s been happening a lot lately,it’s very disappointing and kind of scary because you never know who might be hiding something.
same. they have so much talent.
I looked up to Sagutoyas too. It's sad to see how many big people are doing things like this! I hope that soon this will spread around so that Sagutoyas is down. It's really sad though. I really, really liked the art and animation they made. I thought they were a good person :( Remember to spread word around to warrior cat fans.
I can say the same too, I loved their animations since years ago, and it's sad to find out they have done something evil. Probably, the most shocking part about this is that they did not even seem like a bad person. It makes me ponder how truth can be more surprising than lies.
I was so disappointed when I heard about what sally did. She’s been one of my biggest art inspirations for a long time. Thank you for bringing more awareness to this issue. I hope we all as a community can create a safe, non toxic place for the children of this fandom. If any kids are reading this, if a map or a discord server says you must be older than the age you are in able to join, don’t lie about ur age to get in. Those age barriers are there for your own protection
She was the artist I had seen in most maps, her art style was great, I thought she was a nice person... I still can't believe this happened
Same she was my inspiration
If you don't want minors to lie to get in, you shouldn't encourage an environment which incentivizes lying. Having places where minors can be honest about their age, in the space, and kept an eye on with their interactions with others would be more helpful.
Warriors fandom needs to be either just children or just adults. There is no middle ground there.
@@Draconicdisciple so we should let ten year olds into discord servers? furthermore, are you dumb? most grooming happens in DMs not in the public groupchat. the mods are completely powerless. even if they do get resources for the *NINE* year old to avoid getting groomed, one theyre literally below the age of 13, so theyll be dumb asf, two, grooming is called grooming for a reason. it is HARD to spot it. lastly, its not anyone fault that you, or any other kid decided to lie about their age. its the kids fault. servers have restrictions like these for the minors safety.
What is it with the art/animation community and these damn creeps?? Can we not have one big creator that doesn’t end up being problematic?
@@checkurcloset I'd say there's still hope.
Fame can really mess with a person's head.
We have Ginjaninja, Tennelleflowers, Northflowo and Vixelzzz
Yall cross your fingers and hope I didn't just jinx us
@@therealnefali yeah let's not forget her!
My only working theory so I can try to wrap around this is that it may be a possible immunity effect? People getting so popular they stop thinking about consequences? I don't know
Can’t believe how creepy Sally went about it. Grooming was the true issue- telling the victim to hide it until they turned 18. Someone who’s 21 is at an age to be finishing college if they went- and starting a career. A 17 year old hasn’t graduated high-school. They’re just at different life stages. As we get older age difference matters less because the younger person hasn’t had the life experience to recognize the weird patterns of behavior. I certainly didn’t at 17 and I got into several concerning relationships because of it. Now that I’m older I look back in horror and wish someone could send me a video like this one. Thanks for spreading the word.
Most people at 21 isn't starting their career, but a lot of this is pretty true. Starting careers in the US at least isn't until 25-27, if you're 21 you're probably early on in college or mid-way through it.
i totally agree but there are 17 year olds who graduated high school at that age, i did
@@atxbee that’s true! I graduated when I was 17 too, but my point is that they’ve barely started college yet :) it’s still a very different stage of life. A 21 year old can legally drink in the US that’s a better example
@@jiltedHiraeth no yea like i said i fully agree it’s weird as fuckk
Y'all casually forget that sally doesn't live in the usa-?
I don’t think I’ve ever been this disappointed in my life. Sally was one of my favorite inspirations for a VERY long while. I remember way back when I found her “zombie wolf” speedpaint, then watched her talent grow afterwards made me think I could try something like that. But shit like this just… *gosh…* I can’t look up to anybody, can I?
@user-sz9sw9xi6r What about them? Don’t tell me something happened with them too…
@bird_duck1166
It’s only a matter of time…
That's where I found them too! Years and years ago.
Introduced me to creature feature.
For real man..
Thank you for posting this…I wasn’t aware whatsoever. Behavior like this vile and disgusting, and I’m sure you’re enlightening several people on the situation.
Same, I wasent aware either.. I am disgusted by Sally now because of it...
Yeah, I didn’t know at all… Hate that they would stoop to that level, and I’m disappointed in them, they were a great animator and I would have wanted to learn to draw like them but now it’s hard to love someone’s art when they’ve done something so horrible. Overall I have conflicting feelings, but one things for sure, I won’t support this creator anymore.
Sally is such an awesome animator, finding out this made me feel like "..." speechless. just confused, stunned, no comment. this makes me feel like making dumb critiques on instagram last year wasnt that bad, cuz i hated doing that since then
Right?! I honestly just couldn’t believe it 😢
@@MisoStorm this made me feel like spamming critiques in artworks on instagram last year doesnt feel so bad after all, now ive stopped a year ago, cuz its dumb af
Dude the amount of pedos online, especially in furry adjacent communities really disturbs me. Its great to see you bringing attention to this and I'm proud to call you a friend.
thank you josh
I'm glad they brought attention to it too, I wouldn't have known if not..
@@riocin I was about to ask why you used my real name but I never did change it LMAO.
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For them it's easier to stay in places where they can hide their disgusting faces and be near children, the furry community unfortunatelly is perfect for that
There is no way, this woman is the one who inspired me to animate. I literally don't even know how to feel.
It's nothing to be ashamed of. Great artists can be awful people just like any kind of person could be. 😔 her art I'd inspirational and it's sad the person behind that work made awful awful choices.
Be better. That’s what you’ll do.
@@sperenox Well, aren't you pleasant.
@@PhormalityOfficial I'm being genuine. Sorry if I came off rude.
Sagutoyas was a huge inspration for me too. Whatever you're feeling right now, if you're sad or angry you can set yourself a goal you can be the inspiration to the next generation of animators. If you wish to be, of course, no one should feel forced to fill such a position. Just know you can, and most likely will do better than Sally.
If you still find my comment offending after you've read this, I will delete it. Sorry again.
@@sperenox I am so sorry I completely misunderstood you, I've been having a rough day and without tone just assumed you were being insulting or something I was like "what did I do?" LMAO. But its all good, thanks so much for clarifying
I said on my community page but it is the fact that us adults have a duty to shield and protect children from these things. It is so easy for adults to just, NOT DO THESE THINGS but they do it anyway. It is heartbreaking that so many, so so many looked up to sally, esspecially children/when we were children.
The victim will have scars and it cannot be forgotten, this cannot fall silent ever and i thank you for speaking up to spread this.
Children should be protected by their parents, not strangers
@@piretiris8223 Do you think all parents know what their child is doing online? No, obviously not, so if their parents can't then other adults need to, plus if you saw something that may have looked like a minor was being gro0med would you go "Oh well their parents are supposed to protect them, so I won't care"?
She was 17. If she was 18 everyone would've been fine with it. She wasn't even a child.
@@shortTrumpet592 Do you understand they met when the victim was freshly 16 yrs old? It's still grooming nonetheless
@@-__Flower__- When they met. Just because you meet someone doesn't mean it turns romantic nor sexual that moment.
Also hey, to anyone watching this video, I understand this is a very overwhelming and upsetting situation for a lot of people, especially those like myself who looked up to Sally as an inspiration. However, something people are doing that they should NOT be is just saying things like "noo omg she was my fav animator/why are all my fav animators weirdos??" we should focus our attention on the severity of this situation. Your primary concern should be the well being of the victims and the people who are at risk with having people like this in the community, and the hurt and pain caused by these situations. We should be holding people accountable, and keep focused on staying safe and doing better, as well as making sure the victims/potential victims are comfortable and feel supported in this community. Not Just being upset that you cant watch your favorite cat animations anymore. Of course you can voice your disappointment in Sally, especially being someone so many people were inspired by, but please make sure your treating this as a genuinely serious and upsetting situation, and not an inconvenience. Very nicely put video.
I saw people saying she only fucked up and it makes my blood boil. One person said, and I quote,
"Draikanator came back, maybe Sagutoyas will too" or something along those lines. it's absolutely disgusting and feels invalidating as a victim of grooming myself.
(I'm not a victim of Sally's to be clear, best wishes to them)
Also draik didn't groom someone. They were just a jerk. So comparing the two is stupid.
The fact that people genuinely compare grooming innocent minors to someone being stupid shows how childish the warriors fandom is
@@selenalulamoon1167 Right? It's genuinely disturbing.
The thing with that is that Draik DID NOT groom anyone, they took a really stupid desicion but they were not aware the people they send the nsfw was a minor and when they did they deleted and said sorry.
Not to excuse them or anything, but this two situation are not comparable in any way, at least in my opinion
@@blacksnakey2537 Small correction:
1. They didn't check. If you can't confirm someone's age you do NOT send nsfw to them.
2. Sending unwanted nsfw to an adult is sexual harassment and still a crime.
3. They sent it as a shock "f u" to an enemy/had bad intentions. It was not a mistake.
4. They were sorry they got caught and made a series of "pity me, I did nothing wrong" apologies.
5. They defended their friend who drew pedophilic art, and then ditched them and covered their tracks when word got out too much.
Beyond that, they constantly told other people to die, bullied them, created toxic content, sent their followers after others, etc.
Theres no way, Ive been watching sagutoyas since I was like 9??? I feel so betrayed by this, I didn’t think that HER, out of everyone in the fandom would turn out to be a groomer. I’ve looked up to them often when it comes to warrior cats fandom related things and such.
I’m 15 now.
Well, I guess the most wholesome and chill looking people turn out to be horrible, I feel betrayed too, I have looked up to Sally since I was 9 too. Well I guess, not anymore since I just found out about THIS. But, we need to think about the victims right now.
I have never been groomed, I was close but I managed to block the person and tell my parents before they got to do anything. And even then, I still felt horrified for a while and it took a whole for me to recover. The victims of grooming are probably going through way worse than I ever did.
We should no longer look up to Sally, and unsub from her channel if you’re subbed. I know it is hard to let someone you looked up to so much go, but we need to do this to keep everyone safe.
Same LMFAO
dude me too
Thank you for this video. As someone who dated and then married a 18 year old at age 17 and then got ahem.. "touched when clearly saying I was uncomfortable" I feel this deeply. And to anyone who has ever been through this you are not alone.. luckily I'm in a better relationship and I'm able to tell people I trust about what I have been through. This video really makes me feel like I'm not the only one who went through something similar and I feel heard. Thank you so much for the information on what happened
I am so sorry that happened to you. It’s easy to forget that this stuff can happen between kids and not just adults and kids.
****IMPORTANT UPDATE 2-16-2023****
The victim is currently trying to escape an abusive household after his dad learned of this situation. If you are able to donate, please help out!!
twitter.com/Illusionwvlf/status/1626411136546492416
****UPDATES - THIS COMMENT WILL BE PINNED AND EDITED WHEN NEW EVIDENCE COMES OUT. THIS COMMENT IS MEANT TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF RESOURCES ABOUT THIS SITUATION.****
The victim's statement: twitter.com/DingleH37465529/status/1625214353623633920?t=lKmtmF1sX-YgBKfP0lzcHw&s=19
Sally's statement: twitter.com/BeauDoodles/status/1627008650400129024
An eyewitness's statement: twitter.com/Pixel_Chikki/status/1625235345251123202
The original beware document: web.archive.org/web/20230212222138/docs.google.com/document/d/1-N6ET4E7PeOzbCaM3S6L9us5grSRM1m3MWag0B7UVmk/edit
A thread on an adult who was complacent while knowing of Sally's actions: twitter.com/menessi_/status/1625153515252228098
The Twitter thread I quoted: twitter.com/ktyrbns/status/1624917366428561413
Another video featuring valuable, more recent information: ruclips.net/video/feKyCvIHqRM/видео.html&ab_channel=finchiiarts%21
@@MochiJelly4877 the victim was American. They're a victim.
@@MochiJelly4877 you are weirdy passive aggressive for someone so wrong.
As a 23 year old who’s been in the fandom since age 11 I can definitely say you did an amazing job spreading awareness!!
@@MochiJelly4877The victim is living somewhere where this was illegal. That’s why Sally told them to keep it secret what is wrong with you 💀
uhhhhhh people are saying it could be scam
As someone who was gr//med as a minor, it breaks my heart seeing someone I looked up to as both a teen and young adult turn out to be someone like my own former abuser. I can only hope those affected by Sally's actions are in a better place and can find ways to move on from this now that it's out in the open. I never got that chance, and I try my best to let those in my own small community know what to look out to and if they are a minor and that if a adult in my own community space makes them uncomfortable to tell me so I can do my best to get that adult out and reported while giving them the tools to reach out to a adult in their irl life, as its so important for kids online to have those tools. A lot of newer generation kids don't seem to be getting the same kind of internet safety lessons anyone around 19-22 as of this year did, it's more accepted to let kids wander around freely and only after they find or get into a dangerous situation is it delt with (and sometimes very poorly), it should be the adults in these very kid oriented fandoms/communities to be aware of the minors around them and give them the tools and resources to keep them safe from people like this, because we should know by now that every community online that so much as barely touches kid oriented content will have a large amount of minors who won't have the resources or knowledge of warning signs, and even still when it happens it can be hard for young people to realize at first whats really happening...
Man, I've come across too many groomers and pedos recently. As a 17 year old, turning 18 in a few months, I find myself on just a really weird line. I'm still a minor myself, but at the same time try to protect those younger than me. Really appreciate you making this video, especially as it might be seen by the younger Warriors fans. This community does not, and no community should, tolerate pedos.
I know many here are going to mention how upset they are at one of their inspirations being terrible, but please, know that this isn’t the time or place to be doing that.
It’s completely fair to be upset about it but rather than focusing on the “loss” of another animator, we should be focusing on the victims and making sure situations like this don’t happen so rampantly in this fandom, as stated in this video.
Right now, what’s needed is support for the victims and a very clear uproar against this kind of treatment of minors in the fandom and it’s perpetrators. Don’t go around making memes, don’t make any jokes about this, don’t solely talk about losing another artist. Instead, make it clear you stand with the victims and don’t allow these kinds of people to be within the fandom.
Exactly! Thank you for this message. It seems media and the news focusing more on the killer/predator while hardly getting the victims side of the story.
Absolutely.
Exactly. No one should be worried about anything else other than the victims well being and not how much you liked the person that groomed them
Thats why people are sad, because yet again another animator has been caught grooming a child.
@@CanThisCrab
Um, I think people will decide what to worry about.
As someone in their mid 20's who remembers being an older teen very well, *i cannot stress* how much the age gaps between a 16 and a 19 year old, an 18 year old and a 21 year old, or a 21 year old and a 25 year old matter. They sound like really small gaps when you just consider the numbers themselves, but there are massive differences in maturity there; they are literally developmental milestones, and it's extremely hard to explain until you've grown and experienced it yourself. The most important thing to understand, though, is that *no normal adult is going to be emotionally or physically attracted to an 18 year old.* As a teenager- even if you're 19- you are a smol child to someone in their mid 20s. You can have some really good older friends- and in communities like this you almost certainly will!!- but there's a difference between someone being friends with you and someone turning their filter off because they know they can convince you that it's okay.
There is literally nothing more important I can think of to reiterate here than *trust your gut.* If someone is making you uncomfortable, if you feel anxious, if someone is telling you things that sound off to you, *trust yourself,* don't just brush it off. Even if you don't jump immediately to blocking, talk to your other friends!! Ask them if you can vent for a moment, tell them what's going on, and get a second opinion from someone who isn't besties with the person who's making you anxious or weird-feeling. If something sounds wrong or weird to you whether its subject or just tone, please trust yourself. Stay safe kiddos, nothing and nobody in this community or online is worth sacrificing your safety.
(Edit for clarity's sake: I am Not saying that it is impossible for some of the aforementioned small age gaps to have a healthy mutually-respectful relationship. However, it is still important to recognize that people like Sagutoyas exist; people who seek out less experienced company because they know they can get away with things with younger peers that they can't with people their age or older. She wasn't some 35 year old creep, she was barely in her 20s, and she still behaved in manipulative and even predatory ways toward her victim because she knew that as long as it was kept quiet, the teen wouldn't say anything about it.
The point of this comment isn't to scare anyone, and I'm not saying you should isolate yourselves completely to avoid this kind of thing; just be aware that not everyone has your best interests at heart, and even younger adults can take advantage of teens like this, even if you're not legally a minor anymore. Know your boundaries, trust your instincts, and expect others to treat you respectfully. Keep yourselves safe out there.)
No, 19 year olds are not “smol children”. They’re adults who have agency and can make their own decisions.
@@humanbeeing4780 Never said they couldn't. This isn't about autonomy. It's about abuse and social dynamics. Being a legal adult doesn't mean that a 25 year old wouldn't Easily have power over someone that much less mature than them, and no regular 25 year old would have any interest in a romantic relationship with a 19 year old.
Like I said, it's hard to explain to someone who hasn't experienced it. But the way high-school seniors see high-school freshmen or middle schoolers is just like how someone in their mid to late 20s sees someone in their early 20s even, let alone younger.
My point still stands; even if the law says you're an adult, it is VERY easy for even seemingly small age gaps to be a problem at this age since teens/young adults brains and lives develop literally That quickly. Be freaking careful, none of us are invincible and nobody thinks straight when they're being manipulated, whether you can drink yet or not.
@@Mumble785 thanks for putting my thoughts into words.
Totally agree, the Warriors community is very young on average so I know most don't know this personally. But I remember back when I started college (18-19), the idea of dating anyone still in high school (typically 18 or younger) was unthinkable. Even though the number difference was miniscule, there's a huge maturity difference since our brains do a lot of developing at that time. Even now, having graduated college a few years ago, pursuing a relationship with anyone still in college would feel equally unthinkable even though there wouldn't """technically"""" be anything wrong with it legally speaking ("technically" is in HEAVY quotes there). Knowing there are people in this community who are old enough to know better and still don't see a problem with pursuing minors is really troubling, though I don't blame anyone who's younger for not understanding just how big of a difference a few years can make when it comes to emotional maturity and power dynamics.
I'm literally 18 and my bf is 21 no its not a big difference, you need to be slow mentally to not catch up with a 20 as a 19 or 18
1:55 I would like to highlight this message, specifically the part of "a 17 and an 18 having the same mindset". The phrase itself it's not wrong, there's not much difference between the two, wich makes the 18 year old *still very young to be with a +20 year old*.
People usually dismiss any kind of abuse when the victim is 18 or a bit higher, when in reality you aren't wiser because your country sees you as an adult, you're still vulnerable to people older and/or with more influence than you.
I feel really sorry for the victims of this person and I hope they manage to recover properly. I wish we all knew about this a long time ago.
There’s some science behind why this is true. In terms of human development, the brain is undergoing significant cognitive changes through at least age 20. There’s not a specific age at which a person is mentally an adult, but the brain isn’t there until sometime after 21 and usually isn’t there until around 23-25. So people over 18, specifically people who are 18-20/21, not being much wiser than 17 makes sense. Because, at least in the US, 18-20/21 is considered to be part of the final stage of adolescence. While a person is legally an adult at 18 in most places, they’re still an adolescent for a few more years and are at risk of manipulation.
This actually upsets me, I absolutely adored this youtuber, the fact that Sally told them to keep a secret means she FULLY KNOWS that the age of consent there would not allow this, and it's horrifying to think she would shush the minor.
As I always say, No fandom is pure. They all have their razors among cotton.
Thank you so much for making a video about this. I had no idea this was a thing that have ever happened nor have I ever thought Sally wouldve done something such as this, its honestly heartbreaking and really gross. I hope the victim is alright and is doing better, cause I had no idea this would ever be a thing that couldve happened. Again thank you so much for making this video to help spread awarness.
I had no idea this happened and its really heart breaking to hear because sally was one of my favorite animators and she seemed like such a nice person. Thank you for making this video its good to warn those about stuff like this.
Edit: also I wish the best for the victim or victims❤ its never easy to recover from shit like that
I know this happened a year ago, but I still thought I'd put my two cents in since it occasionally gets discussed to this day.
Some people are mentioning that there was only a 3-year age gap between Sagutoyas and her partner, who at the time were 20 and 17 respectively. This small age gap is used to justify that the situation is being blown out of proportion.
I can somewhat understand this sentiment, because sensationalism is definitely a growing problem these days. But the problem is that there is a LOT of growth and maturing that takes place between 17 and 20. As a matter of fact, a quick Google search will give you many sources that say people typically reach full maturity at age 25. Much of our natural and mental maturing takes place during our late teens, and this makes age gaps around that period larger than what the raw numbers say.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to undermine the maturity of Sagutoyas' victim at all! But I think 17 and 20 are different enough in maturity that Sagutoyas had the upper hand, for the lack of a better term. I don't have any experience with being groomed besides getting molested in preschool, so maybe I'm not the best person to voice my opinion. But my point is that the outrage towards Sagutoyas is, in my opinion, completely valid.
It's a shame to see more groomers being unearthed. I didn't become active in the fandom until 2018, and even then I wasn't too familiar with Sagutoyas, so I don't have that sense of betrayal that other people do. But the fact that such an influential figure can have that kind of drama easily hidden behind closed doors... it's very unnerving.
cool pfp
Yeah like, some age gaps aren't weird
23 and 26? not weird
but the younger it gets the weirder it is cus it ends up with a 20 and 17 year old
13 and 16
18 and 15.
moral of the story don't date minors.
I'm so angry and heartbroken over the victims in this situation. I was groomed as a kid multiple times from people I lived with, as an adult since then, I've found way too many of those once comfort creators turning out to be the same as the monsters who hurt me growing up. The worst one was Cryaotic for me, because during the worst of it, I went to him for comfort.
Warriors WAS my comfort as a kid too, so I can only imagine how some kids feel when they finally get to talk to an idol and it turns out they are only being used for romantic and sexual desires of an adult they are supposed to trust. It's so disheartening and frustrating that people are doing this still. I've been there, it ruins your perspective on trust and tears you apart. I'm just so tired of it, why can't people just stay into people their own age? Every time this stuff happens, there's an uproar for a little while, but then it isn't long until somebody else is revealed again.
It's genuinely heartbreaking to know that a lot of the victims of this stuff look up to these people and feel like their worth is only out of the selfishness of their peers. It's not even an understatement either, people like to just think "well if it were ME I wouldn't let it get to me I would just do this or do that" but it isn't the case. As a minor your brain isn't developed, you trust and lean on people for support. To this day, and mind you I'm turning 25 in March, I still cannot talk to people in real life, I cannot look people in the eyes, I am terrified of people. That was thanks to the monsters who hurt me in real life and online as a kid, who taught me that unless I am beneficial to them in some way, I am in danger. I hope to god that the victims here have support groups outside of this mess, I really really do.
Don't worry, Hell has opened up for them
im happy u made this cuz this needs to be heard. i hope the best for the victims as well.
wha- When- how- HUH? I looked up to Sally so much. I've been subscribed to her for a while now, loving every single map she's been apart of, and all of a sudden this happens? I'm so disgusted. Too many of my favorite creators are doing shit too recklessly. I swear every day there's something going on with someone I know.
It's sad she had to end like this.
Same...
I’m so disgusted by this. I looked up to sally a lot and it just sucks to see this, but I can’t deny what’s there. Seeing the suggestive Danganronpa images also just makes me feel even more ashamed. That ship is between two minors within the time period the art takes place in. They are 15. Although they grow up by the end of the anime, they are STILL CHILDREN here. I adore those characters and it disgusts me to see Sally sharing art of them like that.
Thanks for making this video. This is informative, important, and (unfortunately) needed. So many people have been called out for this repulsive behavior and as a survivor of this sort, I have only disappointment, anger, and sadness whenever another creator is caught doing this. It's very traumatic and life changing. It's not a joke (some people have started making "jokes" about the situation and that angers me a *lot.*)
I hope the victim(s) will heal. The amount of these predators being in communities with an abundance of animal/furry creations is astonishing and very, very upsetting. We need to do better. One step is by informing the public like the tweet and this video is doing. That's a good start.
I once was approached in this way, it sucked. On the second day I was so done I blocked them as they were making me really uncomfortable and were just plain weird.. •__•
5:38 THIS OMG.. I said this when the anonymous map veteran (Sorrel) revealed their experience with maps.
Some map spaces should totally be 16+ or even 18+. It makes me very uncomfortable even as someone who’s 17 to have a 13 y/o interacting in a semi-professional map setting full of college students and people within the industry.
That’s unacceptable how Sally did that. I’m very sorry to that victim, but this really needs to stop
#savethewccommunity
As someone who has experienced sexual abuse both as a child and as an adult, it really upsets me to see people trivializing the meaning of abuse like this. Sagutoyas and the alleged "victim" were only three years apart in age. A 17 year old and a 20 year old carrying on an online 'relationship' is at worst, an exercise in poor judgment. This is not grooming, it's not predatory behavior and it is certainly NOT abuse. She probably didn't want anyone to know about it because she knows how drama-thirsty this community is and that there would be plenty of opportunistic people out there eager to exploit the situation for views.
This fan community in particular has a thirst for drama and frequently makes a mountain out of a molehill and this is a perfect example of blowing things way out of proportion. You would be hard pressed to find a court in either Sweden or the U.S. that would be willing to prosecute a 20 year old for dating a 17 year old online. That's only a three year difference. Sally was barely past her teenage years herself. They're practically the same age in the eyes of anyone over the age of 30. The point is, NO ONE besides a community of drama-thirsty teens would credibly label this situation as "child grooming". Please, out of respect for real victims everywhere and to preserve the power of the term so that we can catch the real predators, STOP calling things abuse when they are so clearly not.
The problem with applying serious labels like "child grooming" and "predatory behavior" to trivial situations where they don't actually apply is that it creates a cultural environment in which it becomes easier to say "oh who knows if he's an actual predator, people will call anyone that for the smallest reason" and then the real predators are able to evade detection more easily. Ever heard the boy who cried wolf story? Same message. So please, please, out of respect for real survivors everywhere, please stop calling trivial teen drama like this 'abuse' or 'child grooming' or whatever other serious term you're willing to throw about in order to make a salacious video. This is not grooming and it's not abuse. Please show more respect for actual survivors.
Ty. You said exactly what I was going to say.
Finally someone showing some common sense. People are really blowing this out of proportions, considering the limited scope of the reproaches and also the little amount of definite evidence that are being presented.
Concerning the accusation of sending nsfw content, please note that for the moment i'm not considering Sagutoyas as guilty or innocent, i'm waiting for more information and evidences from both parties and will not form an opinion until then (other than i think it's better to wait before unreasonably jumping to conclusions).
As for the other stuff that are being denounced as horrible and gross, such as the age gap... this is what we call an exageration. We are talking about an age gap of merely 4-5 years, and about a relationship between an old teen and a very young adult : 2 people who are both on the threshold of adulthood, and who are supposed to be considered mature enough to conduct their relationship as they intend to.
Even though i can understand the worries behind the whole nsfw content thing, we can see a lot of over-reactions too as always with these types of drama. Let's let the drama and heated reactions cool down for a bit, so that we can analyze more coldly and reasonably the evidence at hand, once more proofs and materials have been gathered.
Exactly bruh I think they’re stretching a little too much.. like I get if you don’t want to support her anymore that’s totally understandable but she’s not a monster for dating someone close to her age right before they turned 18
I hope you all realize she was actually 21 and the victim was 16 not 17.
@@finchiiarts As I already explained to you on your own attention-seeking video before you deleted my comments to avoid unflattering critical thinking about your exploitative behavior, read the document again. The so called "victim" updated their statement admitting they had misrepresented events and that they were actually 17 before anything "romantic" briefly occurred. If you're going to comment on this, at least be truthful.
Honestly, after seeing this, seeing how much harm a popular creator has done, it hurts. I never even knew this happened in the warriors community before
I am a grooming victim, and I’m open to talking about it as I’m very lucky that it didn’t hurt me as much as it’s hurt others, and the least I can do is share my experiences so others are less likely to fall into the same or similar situations.
I was given all the advice needed, but it was ages ago. I was uncomfortable, but I didn’t leave. I knew what was happening, and I didn’t tell an adult. I wasn’t isolated, but there was a third person who was somewhat in on it. It hurts seeing this happen to kids. I was 17. I will never get justice for what happened to me. But my hope is that others can. It hurts seeing these kids go through things like this. They’re too young. They shouldn’t have to.
I hope you can heal from your experience❤
as an adult in the fandom, this needs to be talked about more. its horrible seeing people getting taken advantage of like this. i grew up on the warriors books, reading them since elementary school (i was born the same year into the wild came out). my heart goes out to the victim and any other victims. we want you all to feel safe :( (i was also gr00med & r@p3d as a minor, so i know how heartbreaking or horrible it feels). please stay safe out there
This is disturbing and very sad, I wanted to join this community to have fun and be whatever i wanted to be, such as an editor (i have no animating talent). But this is just gets me, i dont understand why people have to be like this. ESPECIALLY older people. Like be an example, a lot of people look up to you
am I the only one who actually *cried* because of this? Sagutoyas was my whole life a few years ago. I was obsessed with her content and when I heard about this i was absolutely *DEVASTATED* along with a lot of other people. I’m so sorry for the victim.
0:48 you’re very right. Exactly why I’m not aloud to start my channel til 2025. The internet shouldn’t be taken lightly and as a community of young people we need to take proper precautions to keep our young minds safe.
Damn this sucks she was a great inspiration for me. I don’t understand why so many people in the community have been exposed for gross shit like this. Really disappointed thank you for sharing.
*sigh*
Goddamnit:/
Thanks for letting me know about her
my jaw dropped when i saw the tweet. thank you for making this and spreading the information outside of twitter, wishing the best for the victim and everyone who's been in a similar situation :(
I’m so thankful you’ve addressed this. I was so worried that it would be shoved under the rug due to the lack of content about this situation as it’s rather recent. I was disgusted when I found out and I wish the victim the best. I’m hoping Sagutoyas will leave the community and get the help they need.
I- felt like I wanted to make a video on the subject but didn't feel I had enough platform to. Props to you for doing so anyways. Sagu was kind of strange in some of the servers we were both in, too.. Predators hide everywhere that they can, it seems.
sally was my inspiration to improve in drawing and animation I can't believe how I feel about this, at least more people are watching this video and being informed about it :(
Okay, after reading the document, I’m not sure I agree with everyone immediately saying that this is grooming. I especially am distrustful since the (alleged) victim isn’t the one who came out, this callout was made by someone else who perused this? As in, this person didn’t like Sally and wanted to find dirt on them? It just reads as sus to me. I’d encourage people to wait until Sally has put out a response.
Like, unless I’m missing something, the worst that was sent was,,, joke hentai? I sent that kind of shit to my friends when I was 17, and a couple of drawings of fursonas cuddling doesn’t come off as anything more than cute. From what I understand, no actual nudes were sent, and nothing physical happened
The victim has their own post, and so have witnesses/people who knew about the relationship.
Sending nsfw images to a minor is not okay, even if they’re just “joke” ones (which majority of the ones sent were not). An adult sending nsfw to a minor is not okay.
You can still wait for Sally’s response 100%, just letting you know there’s more pieces that have been released since.
@@Neuonce I suggest you research more about internet grooming, as this is textbook. Even before the victim made a testimony there was clear screenshots of Sagutoyas keeping this romantic relationship with a child under wraps and sending them NSFW + pedophilic art, and that should be more than enough evidence. Furthermore, any statement by Sagutoyas is obviously going to be incredibly unreliably biased in favor of herself.
The victim updated to say they were 16 and sagutoyas was 21 when the relationship became romantic, not 17
@@bashfulwolfo6499 Thank you for the additional info and sharing your take on the situation. After doing additional research and reflecting on it, I agree that Sally was absolutely in the wrong (assuming no exonerating info comes out, of course). The Warriors community needs to do better in protecting minors from people who will take advantage of them :(
I feel like all these creators ending up as pedos and grooming minors is a sign for a lot of kids (like me) to beware of the internet.
I was like, ten when I first got discord. I joined so many discord servers of my favorite animators. I thought I was super mature, so I’d be able to easily navigate everything. I am so damn lucky I never got into a situation like this.The worst thing that happened to be was just server mods getting frustrated with my dumbassery lol.
Yeah as great as Discord is for organization from a map host perspective, that kind of direct, often relatively private communication really has its downsides, especially for younger members of the community. Not that Discord is the only platform that has direct messages of course, but just that it's so commonly used in the warriors map community
I’m currently very close to being old enough to get discord, tiktok, etc. but I don’t really want to due to people like these, and I could still make a bunch of mistakes, so I’m waiting till I’m 15/16- I might get them sooner but I’m trying to put it off as long as I can.
I’m really glad you made this, it’s helped me understand this a lot better. I looked up to Sally, even using her designs once in some of my art, but I’ve gone on to making my own designs. My heart goes out to the victim.💞
Dang, I’m hella speechless. I really looked up to them as an artist/animator.
I can't even count on my fingers how many people I've been inspired by turn out to be terrible people anymore, I'm just disappointed now
That’s so sad. I looked up to them as an animator and as someone else in the warriors fandom. To know they are like this hurts. They were a huge inspiration to me to continue to draw cats.
As a DM of a Warriors RP, I have one major thing to say.
(Note: DM = Dungeon Master, this is a DnD term, but more broadly means the owner of an RP)
DMs, it is our job to ensure that our roleplays are safe spaces. If someone comes forward or someone seems to be going through something difficult, I want you to talk to them. Be kind. Allow them to open up to you, and do not betray that trust. Help them, in any way that you can. Most importantly, report predators and other monstrous folk to discord directly.
We cannot sit by and say, "That's not my problem". Even if it's not your RP, you have an obligation to ensure that the young people within our community are cared for and protected. If you would know of something like this happening and simply let it be, then you do not deserve to call yourself a DM.
Lastly- if you are a minor in the RP community and you feel like you are in a bad spot, please talk to one of us. Any DM will do. If you come across a jerky DM then I do apologize, but 99% of us will bend any predators out of existence if we catch one whiff of them. Yes, even if you have never joined one of our roleplays, even if it is completely and utterly out of nowhere and random, we will try to help you.
If you are a minor and you are DMing, then you've got a rough road ahead of you. Find your fellow adult DMs and ask them for help if you need it- the same as above applies. We were all young DMs once.
I honestly can’t say I’m surprised. Like obviously I wouldn’t think sagutoyas would do this and I thought they were a good person, but it’s literally just so typical of the community
I just found out about this today from a server they were blacklisted on, tysm for making a video on this ^^
Do these people not realize that NOT grooming people is not that hard?? Why do all these popular creators have to be such creeps?!
Thanks for this video, it really fills me with hope to see such a strong movement to keep the community safe for the kids and teens that own it. I have been in the same position as the victims in the past and I can confirm, in the past the community was full of groomed kids and irresponsible adults taking advantage of them, I had to private so much of my early warriors content for having proof of the abuse I went through in it that deeply triggers me, yet sometimes I still see people in this fandom acting like the things I and some kids and teens go through to this day are completely normal and don't need intervention, sometimes I see people giving the incentive for it. It's so so painful to see and I'm genuinely scared of speaking out sometimes because I have been harassed in the past for speaking out against these things in the community :[ but maybe I won't have to keep quiet for long anymore. Again, thank you, and may every victim heal and everyone shutting them down never be allowed near children's media and their spaces again.
Imagine what other predators that aren't exposed yet...
Edit: I hope for the best for the ones whom got hurt by Sally.
i had no clue, holy shit. thanks for making this video, i probably would have never known (or at least taken a lot longer to realize)
Thank you so much for making a video on this and sharing advice on avoiding people like that. It's scary how subtle the manipulation can be, but it's worth knowing even the smallest of red flags because it's so hard to get out of a situation like that once you are in it
It’s crazy that this is nearly almost a year ago that Sagitorias left our community I am angered by what they did and I’m sad that they won’t be coming back there. Animations were so smooth.
It’s so disappointing seeing another animators/artist’s downfall. I just wish that the community could stop all this madness. I’m truly disgusted about what they’ve done. Especially since I looked up to them. It’s sad.
this is really hard for me to hear because sally was literally the reason i joined the warrior cats fandom, she the reason i actually wanted to start drawing. just hearing sally has done all these things to a freshly aged 17 yr old, who's still a minor, while sally was around 20-21 is just so devastating. why can't people just be normal online 😭
I found out last night.. I was heartbroken and devastated as she was my favourite animator
I've been into Warriors since I was like 8, and have been watching Sally for years and years since. It's so heartbreaking to see this animator I grew up watching do this. A person I've been watching since childhood being outed as a groomer is
*terrifying*.
Not a lot of people look at 17 as being underage. So I'm glad that you made this video and that you and others are looking at the situation for what it is.
Hell I myself still consider 18-19 to be underage. But that's just me
Again, thank you for making this, and I hope any kid/teen who comes across this video, comes out of it with knowledge to help them out, should they need it.
yeah its weird. as a 19 yo i try to make it public knowledge in servers (im mostly in minecraft spaces) that I'm an adult and will not engage in even nsfw jokes with anyone under 18 just for the safety of not exposing
@@kilobucket exactly! That's a great instinct to have and great rule to follow. I'm 22 and almost all of my friends are 20+. If a minor wants to interact with me, I tell them my age and tell them that if I ever in anyway make them uncomfortable, then to go on and block me. And to communicate their boundaries with everyone they meet
@@therealnefali true.
@@kilobucket You felt a massive difference between 17 and 18? It just felt like another day... I definitely feel a difference between 18 and 21, but 17 -> 18 just felt like repeating the same confidence and maturity I had developed between 16-17. I don't feel like I actually gained much but maybe trauma from unrelated things.
@@Draconicdisciple all OP said was that they knew at 18 not to share NSFW with those younger than them.
It’s so hard to believe that this is what a LOT (and I mean a LOT) of animators are like. It’s so STUPID that people just randomly do this. So many good animators have turned rotten over the years.
This is genuinely so disappointing. Sally has been one of my biggest inspirations as an artist. I hate seeing talented and successful people ruin their reputations. My heart goes out to the people she hurt and I hope they can heal
Wow. I hope the victim is okay. As someone who was groomed by someone close to me I understand the pressure of the victim of “keeping quiet” and how they must’ve felt during and after finally being able to expose the person who made them stay quiet about the situation. my hope for their recovery and healing goes to the victim.😢
I'm just glad she's been removed from the community. Nobody tried to hide this or anything.
This is fucking awful to hear, her animations and especially MAP parts were my favorite in the Warriors fandom for years and were a part of my inspiration to make art. My heart goes out to anyone negatively impacted by this, especially to the victims 😞
Sally rlly put the "map" in multi animator project
booo
The fact that this person was AWARE of the consequences and told the other person to keep quiet about their illegal relationship is so disgusting. I’m not a Warriors fan nor am I familiar with the fandom, but I have deep respect for people like you who bring this to light, as it’s a serious situation with serious allegations to all those involved. Thank you.
I don't know why this one hurts more than the others. Maybe I assumed that the Warriors community was better than this, but that was naive, clearly. Thank you to the people who brought this to light. You've helped to make us safer as a whole, even though it couldn't have been easy.
It’s a fandom focused on _feral_ cats. It was never gonna be better than this.
@@CrustyFox87 Zero clue what the books being about "feral", heavily personified cats has anything to do with it.
Unfortunately, this has happened many times before, warriors has a lot of weird age gaps and pedophilic content, and every community is bound to have rotten individuals. The larger the community is, the higher the chance.
@@garden_creature Some people can become similarly problematic just from the mere inclusion of characters like that, and the bad side of furry twitter is proof of that
Thank you so darn much for making this video I genuienly appreciate it
I'm so distraught. I loved Sallys art and animations and I looked up to her animations and artwork for inspiration. I can't believe she is one of these people, I never thought she would. I am disgusted, upset and disappointed at her now... I wish my other inspo's don't turn out to be like her :(
SAME!!! I was so sad when I learnt about Ephemeralmoth, and now I feel even more guilty when called a 'furry' because i'm not but many in the warriors community are (like in the bad way that's associated with them)
@@bunjicords4630 wait, what did they do? are you talking about when they sent their fan base to attack a minor over a map, or did they do something else that idk about?
@@nephophobia22 ephemeral moth is a zoophile and they drew feral nsfw (can't remember ephemeral moth's pronouns im sorry!!)
@@drainage-system WHAT??
thank you thank you THANK YOU for making this video. it is SO important.
Well, despite what happened, I'm not going to unsubscribe from her. I follow the content on her channel because of her work, not because of her personal life. And she didn't become a bad artist)
People so desperately try to cancel others it's horrifying
@Sister feather
I know, but I like this particular artist
Thank you so much for not only bringing up the issue, but for telling others the signs of a predator and how to avoid such situations. Not enough people do this!
It’s horrible that so many animators have been exposed as horrible people lately,this is disappointing..what is going on..!?
wait not just sagutoyas? who else?
Hmm,I’ll try to list some that I remember.
Foxi boxi: exposed for grooming,she deleted her channel
Flicker: drew incest art
Squizzy: exposed for being a manipulator and just a horrible person
LupisVulpes: openly homophobic
Sashley: very racist
Oh wow.. I think sashley, foxi boxi and sagutoyas r the worst in my opinion but I can not believe so many animators just, turn.. I am disappointed in all of them.. AaRgHh I'm just so mad about sagutoyas rn I looked up to them so mucHHH..
I know,it’s kinda heartbreaking when someone you looked up to turns out to be a bad person😔
@@Cromazone they're all horrific people for different reasons, it's kinda weird to insinuate that any of them are "better".
Thank you for talking about it I had no idea until now.
It's really sad.. her art was on God level and she honestly seemed like a good person whenever I watched her videos or when she was with others.. it's incredibly sad we won't be seeing her art because of these terrible actions. Sally has forever severed their connection to the warriors community
Ok I respect you so much for giving absolutely FLAWLESS advice on this topic, spreading awarness and being educative whilst still being so respectful. Props to you, pal, I suscribed.
not to mention that sally's now partner aspenshadow, supports and believes what sally did was okay
They are parterns?
Im not surprised she hides her relationships from public
Revisiting this a year later probably almost 2 😭 I remember when Sagutoyas was only a wolf speedpainter when I was young. We were around the same age, and I remember them inspiring my art when I was younger. This just upsets me so much. How did we come from kids to adults so fast, and for them to become a pedo, too.
Wait 17-20 isn’t illegal or pedophilia? Yeah it’s weird but as a victim of pedophilia (35 yr old and 9 yr old me), it’s fucking insulting to see this kind of stuff being called pedophilia. Like, it’s cheapening the word and what it is.
Fair. Generally speaking, 17/18-20/21 is considered late adolescence and this would be considered something else besides p*dophilia. It’s creepy, but 17-20 year olds are adolescents, not children.
allegedly (idk if its been confirmed) the dating began when the younger person was 15 but the age of consent in sagutoyas' place was younger than 18 (i think 16)
fucking hell- that's disgusting. . Thank you for posting this, i was completely unaware. .
DUDE!
First Ephemeralmoth, and now Sagutoyas? All my inspirations are slowly stooping to this.... who's next :<
i really wish the community with MATURE ADULTS would stop letting me down, because i looked up to sally so much and now -
(PS please make the doc open, otherwise others may doubt the evidence)
Thank you for making this video and raising awareness to help maybe stop something like this happening again ^^
Ok I need to know a few things before I make a judgement here:
How old was the victim exactly when they met and how old was Sally
Aside from an age gap, what evidence is there that this was grooming? Were there any signs of a power imbalence or any kind of manipulation at all?
What has the actual victim said about this issue?
Sorry, I've seen way too many innocent people be accused of grooming all over an age gap (often times a legal one) with nothing else to back it up.
Sally was 21 and the victim was 16
Old friends of sally in the last hour have come out with screenshots where she admits she was wrong and what she did was unexusable
She proved her own guilt
@@finchiiarts okay now I am confused. I have been seeing loads of people in this comment section claiming that there was only a 3 year age gap?
@@stuffynosepatrol no, it came out it was more than that which is.. Scary
@@finchiiarts ah okay, yeah that is unacceptable.
@@Mehmehmeh746 he was 16, he had repressed alot but screenshots helped him realize it was earlier
SAGUTOYAS? I would have never thought! This is just depressing, so many talented animators end up ruining their career…
I feel like when talking about why this kind of behavior is so prevalent in the warriors community specifically, we need to look at the books themselves. Obviously, we as fans can’t control the pairings authors write such as Thistleclaw and Spottedleaf, Dustpelt and Ferncloud, and other such similar relationships. But we need to keep in mind that by reading these books, this kind of behavior is being normalized to young Warrior Cats fans more so than other fandoms. These books are massively popular and impact dozens of kids lives and, although it holds a near and dear place in my heart, we need to acknowledge that the series this fandom is spawned off from in the first place is partly to blame. I know plenty of video essays and things of the like have been made but we can’t stop talking about these kinds of relationships. We cannot forget them. Especially as they continue to happen in recently released books such as Onestar’s Confession. This is coming from someone whose a minor myself, (16) and was on the internet to early. It is not a safe place for kids by design, especially in places like discord servers where a lot of multi animator projects are organized nowadays. We can still enjoy the series while acknowledging its many faults, and it’s so so important that younger fans, especially kids, recognize them as well.
I was shocked and sad to hear what they did. They inspired me to join the WarriorCats fandom and it saddens me to hear the disgusting things they did 😢
Time to mark another good animator on the “turned bad” list….
THIS VIDEO WAS MADE ONE MONTH AGO AND I NEVER HEARD ABOUT THIS?!
Sometimes being in the animation community is rough because there are these kinds of people everywhere.
I'm sorry, I really can't see what is so terrible about the situation. It's a 4 year age gap at most, which is very common. There isn't any solid proof that Sally was physically attracted to the minor in question; this evidence being the most important and (as far as I know) only thing that might denote the presence of the paraphilia known as pedophilia. Even if there was such evidence, the minor was 17, and pedophilia is characterized by being attracted to prepubescent, underdeveloped sexual characteristics, which aren't (if at all) very present in an individual of such age. I believe Sally was afraid of their relationship becoming public because they knew that this exact situation was going to occur: people would gasp and call them a pedophile and their life would be ruined, despite them not actually being a dangerous individual. Until solid proof of predatory, pedophilic actions taken by Sagutoyas surfaces, I refuse to believe they are such a thing. There are more important battles to be fighting, there are more dangerous people to punish. Shouting pedophile at anyone at anytime with barely any evidence almost makes the crime feel less dangerous, more mundane, more normal. Save the word for people who actually are a danger to children. I'm really disappointed at how quick this fandom has turned on one of their most beloved members when faced with such flimsy and weak evidence. Again: if solid proof emerges, I will retract my statement on the matter. Until then, I will stand by Sally's side.
THIS! Also age of consent in some countries and states are 16, the only weird thing is the age gap. I say this as someone who has been through CSA online at the age of 14.
There is literally proof?? Screenshots?? On the screen?? This video even explains the red flags on Sagutoyas behaviours ffs
17 or 16 idc are still MINORS. There is a reason we call these groups of ages minors and avoid older people preying on fresh 18 year olds just because they are legally adults. A 17 year old is still way more impressionable and using their vulnerability for something nasty like this is. a. red. flag. Not a behaviour with good intensions.
While fine, calling Sagutoyas a pedo is not really appropriate, she definately groomed the victim since she was over 20 and had way more power in this relationship.
Why the hell does Sally need to be in a relationship with someone under 18 anyways? There were plenty other people she could have had a chance without making it creepy. The mentality of a 21 year old and a 17 year old is so different. It will most likely end im a bad relationship and the younger one taking advantage on. Hell, Sally wanted to silence Sol because SHE KNEW it was wrong.
Stop blaming the victim, Sally is clearly in the wrong
@@kiekhoot2970 I’m a teen and I have a 17 year old friend in a relationship with an 18 year old…he’s a pretty nice guy and my friend is happy. But Sagutoyas just creeped me out, especially the NSFW art…but if Sagutoyas is 22 now in 2023 and the person she dated was 17 in 2019, wouldn’t she have been 18 then…? Not saying her behavior wasn’t creepy but I don’t really get the fuss people are making about a one year age gap. (please correct me if I am wrong about the ages, I know nothing about the drama except for stuff in this video)
@@puppydogs68 she is currently 25, it was about her being 21 and the other 17. Nobody would have cared if there was just one year gap, but this case is different. Sally was much older and should have known better. Thought I stated it more clear in my comment, I apologize.
I recently became 18 and unfortunately, I've heard of these incidents happening nonstop for the last few years..
Let me begin here; I wrote this post and am now going back to put a note for the victim; I feel for you and while I might not be able to talk to you directly, I am here for you and you will be in my thoughts. You are an amazing person, whoever you are, and I hope you can move past this. I hope you know you did not deserve what you went through with Sally.
sally is one of my favorite animators. they've been in the fandom for so long, so many many years.
I checked for sally's age and it's 21 and even so, it disgusts me.. the sheer difference in maturity is insane between 21 and 16/17, and even if we're using 21 vs 17, that's 4 years. it wouldn't be a huge gap if it were two adults but that is a freshly 17-year-old, a child, vs a fully mature adult.
and even ignoring maturity; 1) that's illegal, not even a joke here, it's quite literally illegal. 2) why the FUCK did you, a 21 y/o, send this stuff to a legal minor? and someone who is FRESHLY 17? and how do we know this has only been going for a short amount of time? cause I haven't looked into this much, and I'm terrified to know if it's been going for more than a few one-off interactions. this could've been months, YEARS.
normally when I watch "call out" videos/expose videos, I normally just take in the information and go on with my day, keeping it in the back of my noggin. but seeing "Sagutoyas", "Incident" and "We Need To Talk" all in the same title disgusted me and oh my god I've never felt worse.
I agree with you however developmentally 17 is not a child and 21 may still be in late adolescence or another stage of pre-adult development. The issue is not the age, it’s the experience. Even 21 is not fully grown, but you are getting ready to enter the real world where you will be expected to be an adult. 17 is still in high school. That’s the issue: completely different places in the journey to adulthood.
I know what they did is wrong, but I’d still prefer an apology instead of her to completely go.They’re wrong for this, but they have still been a good person to many.This incident doesn’t define them.
No I’m not a supporter or sympathizer, just my opinion on this.
same I'll miss seeing her in maps and other things
sagutoyas was my favorite animator for so many years. this is so genuinely disheartening. i don’t even feel angry i’m just so disappointed