OG GOW series always made me feel like it was example of the power of the god of war can do. Where GOWR felt more grounded style, a heavy hitter that gives massive damage while able dodge all attack. Using each weapon and new skills felt completely different but was unique.
OG GOW always made me feel like that too. I think since Kratos is holding back in the new games, his fighting style is different. He still feels strong but also STRONGLY suppressed.
@@TheNaturex20you must know of Game Breaker God, where he showcases Kratos' almost not holding back in his combos especially GOW4 aka 2018 with the agile strikes
God of War 3's combat is objectively superior. You can do combos while on the ground or while being in the air. God of War 3's combat is simply more versatile and has more depth to it. You can also "break" the game in God of War 3 if you are really good.
You clearly don't know the meaning of objective. Ragnarok has so much more depth and player expression than the old games and it isn't comparable. You also have more control, environments to use, and arenas that offer verticality in a way Gow 3 never does. Air combat isn't all it's made out to be. So you do the same attack in the air instead of on the ground. Who cares?
His combat style is obviously reflecting his more grounded and mature nature. Before it was all rage and anger fueling his attacks. Now he is a calm worn veteran. It's the same in real life for young and older martial artists/fighters.
Yeah in 1v1s you can truly display some stylish combos. When there’s multiple enemies you will have to be more cautious but I think that goes for both games.
@@TheNaturex20I wish and hope that for the next gow game, they change the combat to dmc style, like obviously we know they ain't changing the 3rd person story telling camera angle, but hopefully they change the combat style to how it is in dmc5, cause I love that shit
I personally think the god of war games are more about efficient play(using environment to your advantage,using enemy’s to your advantage,smart use of tools,positioning,recourse management,encounters,etc) rather than stylish play. A channel I recommend for these stuff is xristos Zimnas who is a challenge runner for the old games as well as extremegameplays.
Yeah I think those ways are more efficient when you’re fighting against multiple strong enemies and knowing these things would help out more than stylish play. But I see nothing wrong implementing a little more style along the way it adds more fun imo.
@@TheNaturex20 there’s nothing wrong with that I mean zesty(the last guy I mentioned) still plays with elegance in runs just don’t make it your only strategy
Personally, I prefer the difficulty of Ninja Gaiden Black vs that of Dark Souls. I may die a lot, but at least I'll look stylish doing so. In the original GoW trilogy and PSP games you still had to know when to block and dodge. It wasn't just a brainless button masher. Plus, those slowdown montages probably inspired Zack Snyder to do the same thing in 300.
I don't think they can be compared since I think they are two different types of the game because they wouldn't make Kratos double jump in an open world game with that badass face, btw sonic was a great game🤣
I'd argue that the Greek saga was more fun and the story went deeper. 2018 and Ragnarok just fooled people with good graphics and corny (non self aware) dialogue. The last two games aren't even kratos' story
I agree that the Greek Saga had a deep story but idk if I would necessarily call the newer games corny. I personally think that Ragnarok could be the end of Kratos’ story because it obvious they wanna transfer it to Loki. Care to elaborate further on why you feel that way?
@@TheNaturex20 ok but first and respectfully I did enjoy 2018 after I got into it and I 100% ragnarok, they're not trash games but imo they're not main GOW stories.they're corny as in modern speak, cursing, and lack of depth( the story is pretty much disobedient boy gets himself in trouble and dad has to save him, oh look destiny and fate). Fun like combos having a purpose, platforming, wider variety of combos(also the jump button, but I assume we agree on that). And the last 2 games haven't been kratos' story it's been the boys. We got a glimpse of Athena and where the story might go, but this has been a what's Atreus' future story, which is cool if you're an Atreus'fans but kratos fans seem to have been put on the back burner . I've said before I would have no complaints if the newer series was named son of the God of War or something more catchy. Anyway lmk what u think, I enjoy your content keep it up
@@jpain5986 You make a good point honestly and I see where you’re coming from. Now that I think about it, the older god of war stories may actually have more depth. Because when you look at them at face value, they only appear as violent power fantasies. This is what the public mostly think but if you analyze it the story goes hard. In the new god of war games it doesn’t present itself the same way. It’s tone is more emotional and heartfelt, but if you think about it that’s all it really is. Despite this I still really enjoy the new Atreus saga and I believe it’s still well written. But I’m starting to agree that the old stories may have a little more depth.
@@jpain5986 One thing that I will also say is that I wished the Greek pantheon was a little more involved like the popular Athena theory. I feel like that would be a good direction and idk if they’re still planning to do so.
@@TheNaturex20 I agree that the new games continue kratos' storie to an extent but it feels like more of a side story now, maybe it's the writers approach idk. hopefully in the future games they'll wrap it up decently like I said I wasn't disappointed in the new games it's just not the same fun story game to me and I have almost as many hours in 2018 and Ragnarok as I do in gow 2&3 so idk. I would still get GOW 6 as long as it wasn't exclusively Atreus, if they wanna give him his own spin off game I'd probably wait to play for free lol
As an old school gamer having spent hours in arcades back in the day, I much prefer the OG GOW series which brought back my love for video games. Games are supposed to be fast, fun, and not too complicated to pull off attacks. It is so much more fun developing lightning fast reflexes. Also the OG series was none stop action aside from puzzle breaks. Working on RPG progression trees is just boring. Reward me for progress and don’t bog me down with progression trees.
I love em both honestly but i do appreciate your perspective..... Damn God of War 3 was good 💯🤧 and i have to say i really really do love Ragnorok. So as someone who just loves God of War, i enjoy em both with complete and utter BIASED!!!!! 😌
God of war 3 has the most amazingly versatile combat system ever . The feeling of making combos from switching weapons so fast is as epic and powerful feeling aa it gets. Love new game graphics but gameplay doesnt interest me
Which is frustrating when everyone is insisting kratos has gotten stronger. There's a clear disconnects between what's happening on screen and the statement fans are given
norse world definitely stronger than the Greek one even tho in real world myth its not necessarily like that, but in god of war it absoluetly is. Never seen Kratos struggle with any Greek God unlike Baldur who can hand to hand with him and Thor who actually killed and revived him. Baldur laughs off the killing Kratos dished onto Poseidon
@weegeearmy1391 that's a statement that's not necessarily true. I guarantee you if baldur fought Zeus, Zeus would beat the shit out of him. If Baldur fought Hades he would likely be killed if Hades was able to steal his soul. Thor definitely would get killed by Zeus seeing as how a rusty kratos was able to overpower him in the final battle. So no, Norse are not more powerful than Greek gods.
@@lazarus9638 Watch kratos' fight with zeus and the only time kratos was overpowered was his spirit form. Kratos simply doesn't show any sign of struggle battling with Greek gods. Effortlessly pulverizes poseidon, defeats hades in all tests of strength, tosses zeus around like a ragdoll, but the norse gods can go hand to hand and their magic ACTUALLY WORKS, while the greek gods die in ways you and i could accomplish. I blame god of war 3 for this, it leaned completely into power fantasy mode at the expense of the Greek gods. They all die like regular humans and even their corpses are lugged around in truly humiliating display.
I love the combat however the original combat was something else. 6:44 and to be honest with you you are comparing runic with special moves you should compare it with magic in the old games you have a magic meter that is limited it makes you care about your every use of it because if you use it poorly then you will not have enough for the next encounter you REQUIRE to manage your resources be conservative use grab kills to fill health or magic the games make you creative. While in the new games you just waste time until they are filled again
main problem is that there's too much cooldowns, I wished they made it rage/MP I dislike kratos normal shield parry, I think it would've been smarter (AND A THOUSAND TIMES MORE TELLING OF HOW KRATOS GREW) if he had an isshen system from onimusha
This is The last of us with kratos skin, god of war died a long time ago. No jump No hits combos means if you play good you earn the same xp of someone who just press r1 all day No arena mode No death trom falling No air combo Downgraded gore Just boring.
No cap no cap My Supervisor threw on 2018 ..first time I seen it I was like what is this junk over the ahead third person lmaoooo .... why this dude ode stiff lmapo I was use to GoW 3 that action was godly fast paced
GoW 3 has one the best combat systems of all time but Ragnarok's combat for me was a huge improvement from 2018's combat. GoW 3 Definitely is faster due to its nature and narrative. It has aerial combat, grab choices, range and even the rage is so much faster the newer GoW games. While the newer ones focus a bit more in the narrative and story while not disregarding its combat.
When I was young i played all sorts of games. dispite growing up on welfare my father was a programer for a short period as was my uncle, his brother. I was born 1994 so peak era of cracked or "chipped" ps2s and any game older than the ps1 was relatively easy to torrent emulators. I played anything (as long as i got to destroy something, was never the type for mindcraft or strictly puzzle games, despite loving the puzzles in the POP trilogy as they weren't the WHOLE GAME) I remember thinking Jak 3 was the most well rounded game ever between its original and in my opinion best take on those 3rd person adventure games, fast based combat system like in slash em ups(though i must say they were fair less intricate, but the game offered so much more thats easy to forgive) .. I skateboard and one thing i never see brought up is the tricks he does on the hoverboard are legit skatetricks. it has elements from slash em ups, standard action and adventure stuff, gta, need for speed and to degree did weaponized racing better than mario or crash karts. I used play the original quake lan vs with my brothers witht he monitors back to back so no screen peaking hahaha used to run people through final fights in guild wars ffs. God of war was my favourite slash em up series, and they turned into into an rpg souls feeling game to capture that new audience. Completely forgetting the people like me who played it for the speed. You can argue you have to "think" more to get better at this but i dont think that marks supriority. You have to think faster to play the og style. both have there merits. But theres a new rpg every week and im an adult how doesnt have the time to scratch my chin trying make the ultimate build. I just want a classic slash em up with a few modern touch ups.... games were supposed to be fun now i cant leave gta alone for a week or im bankrupt from water bills. where did we go wrong.... and no offence to anyone who prefers the new game type im just saying theyre spitting in the face of us who supported god of war for what it was to please rpg elitists.
No cap that comparison to the Adventure vs Boost and how both are valid with that applying to GoW as well was a big W, GoW3 has that classic hackNslash fun with the potential for insane creativity while GoWR is more focus on player reaction and the gratification of parrying/dodging as well as player reaction while ripping and tearfin your way through hordes of enemies with a bit of player expression as well, GoW 4 and 5 are like if The Last of Us and og God of War had a baby with a dab just a drop of Fromsoft
Ragnarok got me so mad because of 3 things. Horrible camera angles (1-3 was nice and zoomed out) unskippable cutscenes (i dont want to walk and talk for 30 hours in ng+) and the war being so bad and rushed. The ps3 was capable of showing a full war with olympia and whe you go to war with Oden its like 5 people and no army?
Hard to go back to GoW3 after playing 2018 due to the over the shoulder camera perspective making it feel like you're more in the game. Ragnarok combat is even more dynamic and like you said, requires a lot more technique than just spamming attack
I’m surprised that you say that. A lot of people didn’t like the over the shoulder change and thought they were just copying other games. I personally like it other than the fact you get hit by a random projectile every now and then.
What? That camera is awful and completely inappropriate for the combat system and amount of enemies on screen. They literally have to put red indicators underneath you because you can't even see all the enemy attack animations and react, like a good combat system. The new game is a frankenstein's monster of different mechanics that don't fit each other.
@@SefniAsheforr Idk if I would call it awful but it can be difficult to navigate sometimes. I do like how to game forces you to be aware but I admit it’s not the best.
@@SefniAsheforr seems more realistic to me. IRL you don't wanna let the enemies surround you. Fortunately, Mimir warns of impending danger along with warrior senses (colored arrows)
Considering GOW has always been compared to DMC, I know this is probably unfair but I can't help but compare new GOW to DMC 5. DMC 5 you can look stylish even if you aren't good and even better if you are. Stylish combos in DMC look a lot better than they do in GOW, require a ton of skill, and reward you for doing it both with more orbs, extra attacks in your combos, and louder more hype music. Last point might not sound like much but it really is satisfying to have feedback like that when you play games the way DMC and old GOW did. A bunch of random numbers and text popping on the screen every time you do anything is part of why Battlefield is so addictive too
While I respect your opinion. I don’t think GoW should be compared to DMC not even the older ones. I’ve only played GoW 3,2018 and Ragnarok and DMC 5, and 4. Their focus might seem similar but they feel completely different. GoW is more about satisfaction and brutality. While DMC is faster paced and more stylish. I’ve enjoyed GoW more because it was simple and easy to get into. All you have to do is beat the enemy no matter your skill level it’s quite fun and challenging. Where as DMC 5 I beat the game on devil hunter mode and didn’t feel like the combat clicked for me. I rarely got an SSS rating, but even when I got it it didn’t feel like I earned it. Despite beating the game. It didn’t feel like I beat the game, because I didn’t play stylishly. I stopped in the middle of second play through. I’ll give the older DMC’s a try maybe they’re simpler to get into.
I THINK I HAVE NEVER PLAYED DMC (LIKE 99% SURE) WHY DMC AN GOW ARE COMPARED? I ALWAYS THINK THAT KRATOS IS LIKE A LINK FROM ZELDA THAT KILL LIKE THE DOOMGUY BUT IM NOT SURE IF THAT IS BECAUSE I HAVEN PLAYED DMC BTW IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL TO SEE KRATOS AND LINK AS A TEAM, BOTH HAVE A LOT OF SPECIAL WEAPONS AND MAGIC AND THEIR WORLDS KINDA FIT WELL ALSO THE MASTER SWORD AND THE BLADES OF CHAOS ARE TWO OF MY ALL TIME FAVORITE WEAPONS (ALONGSIDE OTHER FUTURISTIC LIKE THE LIGHTSABER AND THE ENERGY SWORD) IT WOULD BE FUNNY TO SEE DEKU LINK AND KRATOS W/ICARUS WINGS FLYING AROUND ON A LABRITH AND BOTH LIKE WTF IS THE EXIT? XD SIMILAR WITH ZORA LINK AND KRATOS W/POSEIDON TRIDENT ON WATER LEVELS
@@enmadaniaisabel1552 The original GOW trilogy was combo focused and gave ratings for your combos similar to how DMC does. The multiple switchable weapons mid combo mechanic was also something DMC made famous. But most importantly, DMC was the pioneer for third person action games in general. So games like GOW were being compared to DMC the same way every fps game used to be compared to Doom
@@nhlfan1001 OwO WELL THAT MAKES SENSE NOW, IF I LOVE GOD DO YOU THINK IT IS WORTH TO TRY DMC TOO? I LOVE DOOM AND HALO TOO SO... MAYBE I CAN TRY BUT I THINK I ALREADY HAVE TO MANY VG SAGAS TO FOLLOW T.T (I NEED MORE TIME AND MONEY AND MAYBE ANOTHER PAIR OF HANDS)
I think both games are good. The approach is just too different. The combat on older gow games is better and engaging. But the levels and hack and slash focus of the game can be too repetitive sometimes. Blades of chaos and leviathan axe are the best weapons in the series. The only things I don't like about the newer gow games is the rpg elements which is not necessary, the camera is too close to kratos and the somehow slow movements in the game. For me god of war 2018 is better overall. I haven't played ragnarok yet.
both are good but are honestly completely different types of genres. God of War was the pinnacle of hack n slash combat but it had deep mechanics most people never grasped. what the new game needs is an increase in gameplay speed for mobility / attack frame data for both Kratos and the enemies. Attacks take way too long frame data wise, even the fastest light attack takes a while. Another thing that would help is to toggle a combo counter on screen if you want. And if we're being honest the game needs more gore. These three things are what og fans want to see. At least there are cancels in the game that allow for a deeper combat system. again, most people don't touch the surface lol
I disagree. GOW never hit the pinnacle of hack and slash gameplay. NG is 10x harder and has more gameplay depth than any of the titles in the OG GOW trilogy. Combo building? DMC just does it better. What made the original GOWs so special was the spectacle it had. These massive landscapes set in the Greek mythos and a grand storyline on top of the solid gameplay mechanics separated it from the likes of other hack and slashes like DMC and NG.
It's why games like spider-man are so popular. You don't need to be that good to look cool. These new god of war games need a high level of skill for you to actually look cool. It doesn't just tie cool animations to mashing square and triangle. I say this as someone that isn't that good at the new God of War games. However seeing goof players look cool playing it makes me wanna get better.
I think original’s GOW combat has more depth when it comes to its encounters and offensive options and weapons, but GOW Ragnarok gives you more defensive options such as parrying, dodging or rolling. It’s why it is more feasible to be able to beat the game with no damage compared to GOW 3 without abusing the tackle attack lol
We can hope that they will change the formula again in a new pantheon, maybe a mix between the greek trilogies massive scale, combat, air maneuvers and the northern sagas pg13 “we must be better” approach 😂
Damn bro, ragnorok is my favorite gow game but I didn’t like it for some reasons 1 the scale and set pieces aren’t as grandiose and doesn’t feel like I can take on a giant, 2 kratos is missing key features like air combat, more variety of move sets etc. 3 the actual ragnorok sequence felt pretty dull to be honest. 4 I prefer a more tame kratos story wise, but bro please give me old Kratos gameplay wise idc I want it so bad. Hopefully now that they are going to be switching mythologies, we get giant powerful gods that kratos can whoop they ass and give us a perfect mix between the two sagas, but damn that also sucks because I personally love the idea of the Norse saga but sadly they are done with it already
ive platinumed gow18 and gowr. im currently almost done with give me god of war on gow18. both games have suck ass combat. the biggest complaint i have is that kratos is WEAK SOUCE in both games. even at level 10 his strikes are WEAK. enemies litterally ignore his shit and will slap you around like a bitch. his movements and combo and camer are suited for 1v1 engagements. it has no worthy aeo/crowd control moves. the combat ONLY feels natural when you go against bosses regardless of them being trolls, valkyrie, beserkers ect ect. more than one on the screen and it breaks down. another issue i noticed in both games are the scripted attacks of bosses and how they will not register your attacks at certian moments. like when a valkyrie does her valhalla stomp if you try a big move it wont register at first you have to wait a second or two. i just got in the habit of using small attacks instead. same scripted shit happened especially fighting Gna in ragnarok. or when baldur does his zig zag and you slow down time and use a big attack it wont register. the devs are trash at making a fighting game and excel at making an enteractive movie.
I’m not saying this to hate but if you think the new combat sucks your probably just not good at it, if your play the game right you can make Kratos feel just as strong, he may not be as agile, or can’t even jump that sucks but he’s still just as good
They're just completely different entities which isn't a bad thing. There was some steps back in GOWR compared 4 but overall the combat system is still pretty good I just don't think the rpg mechanics was really all that necessary. God of War was worried about getting stale when games like Bayonetta, DMC and others simply kept improving their formula. They simply could've done the same with DMC5's camera where it's closer to Kratos but still spacious enough to see everything around you and just go all out with the weapons. Blades of Chaos don't hit like they used to. The Leviathan Axe, Fists/Shield(lame they got rid of this in GOWR) and Draupnir are all welcome additions to Kratos' arsenal. Hell I enjoyed using Draupnir more than any other weapon which nothing should outright outshine the Blades of Chaos. Even in 2018 Leviathan and Blades of Chaos felt pretty equal but in Ragnarok they just feel the same. Ragnarok was pretty lackluster in restrospect compared to 2018 in terms of story and a bit of the combat elements but the overall shift in combat style isn't bad. The RPG elements just make things tedious. Gear leveling, health sponges and all that jazz are lame. Overall as novel as it was to punch the shit out of Baldur and draugr up close. I prefer the old way of gameplay. Feels much more epic and exhilarating. I think aside from the rpg mechanics. Many of the things they introduced into the new games could've translated to the old combat style if done with careful management.
Pretty valid take. I feel like the things in the new style of combat still hasn’t reached their maximum potential yet. And you’re right the rpg elements added a level of grind that probably wasn’t necessary.
Lets see did I finish GOF 3? Multiple times, yes, did I finish the new GOF games more than once? no. I got bored watching unskippable cutscenes and walking sections.
Thank god this wasn’t the vid I thought it would be where you glaze gow3 and bash on ragnarok because of nostalgia and skill you literally debunked that entire argument😭
I’m sorry but nothing god about god of war ragnorock animation cancels dawg I’m a regular degular player, you think I want to spend time learning how to do those. I’ll what the game gives me but if a boss just simply taking all that from a literally god killer then something wrong with the game .
@Men35960 I haven't finished either of them, but I have played all of the others fully. I like the old grizzled Kratos growing into being a father and learning from his mistakes, but I sure do miss the young badass he once was. Holding back all the time makes people think he's weak, but he'd wipe the floor with the world if the right nerve was hit.
Yo just cause those youtbers are good at gowr doesnt mean they have no lives. My guy you literally play a video game for incel aka Elden Ring and youre biased towards gow 3 which was made for dmc no lives who are good at those types of hack and slash games so the same can be said about you. You cant call anyone a no life especially if you play elden ring were you actually have to be a no life to be good at it
Guys if they made it a choice for me I would choose to play a game similar to gow 3 I Freakin hate this camera angle They killed what they built Stick to what you are good at See ds1 2 3 for example they changed nothing in the game and got a lot of fans happy But they ruined gow Congrats👎👎👎👎
Anyone who say god of war 3 has better combat because of jump button and 4 weapons They are objectively wrong god of war 3 has 0 weapon variety, and air combat is clunky the new god of war games despite limiting the combat has a working set of moves that can be customized and special attack feel powerful rather than being useless unless fully upgraded like gow 3 and keeping up combat rewards the player with empowering the attacks and moment is easy and each weapon offer a special feature which more than just damage unlike the old ones and even fight with hands has its perks which is impossible in gow 3 Just because gow 3 has a large combat system and set pieces doesn't mean its good it is still trapped in the hack and slash era with the only difference being the massive set pieces that comes at a cost of poor story telling
This is just, wrong lol? The upgrades for weapons in the OG GOWs gave you more moves that you can weave in your combos, they're not simply stat stick upgrades. This ain't DMC 2 bro. Talking about combos, the variety and depth alone is more deep than anything the modern duology offers. You seem to vastly underestimate the hack-and-slash genre. GOW 3 is not even the top 3 (imo) in it and the gameplay loop still competes with any other video game genre. In fact, at least in terms of pure mechanical skill, a lot of hack-and-slashes are actually infinitely more challenging than the saturated soulsborne games. Just look at titles like Ninja Gaiden and you'll see what I mean.
@@byeetch gow 3 has little no weapons variety as most weapons feel similar to blades of chaos with the only exception being the Neman Cestuts And not to mention the variety offer isn't even close to the new god of game as the new ones offer various attacks depending on which direction you move and which motion you are in unlike the previous game where attacks are the same regardless how you move not to mention the weapon can be charged up for powerful elemental attack unlike the old god of war games where elemental effects are just some coating on the weapons that doesn't change anything and you will also receive a thera's Bane like upgrade for every weapon for keeping up the combat flow unlike the old games where you only receive combo number and +7 Red orbs for every 15 combos...... And let's not forget that the old games basically had no hand combat and you are always locked into the weapons you are in I don't mean to hate the og gow or hack and slash genre but to people who say the new games don't have depth and variety have only played the new ones to only a surface level of what the new ones offer
@@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818 You see, it seems kinda hypocritical of you to complain about people not delving deep enough into the newer titles when you clearly aren't well-versed in the depths of the older games. Combo building is one of the most complicated game designs due to just the sheer amount of variation it has in terms of movesets. To say things like "almost all weapons feel the same" when they all have different moves, damage and magic attacks AND unique quickswap attacks is just simply wrong. If your point is that they "feel" the same because there's 3 whip-like weapons then that's incredibly surface-level lmfao. Also, every time you upgrade weapons you unlock a plethora of NEW moves that can further improve your combo flow. So no, they're not really "just some coating on the weapons that doesn't change anything". Now I won't act like I know everything about the newer games' combat system, but I do know that a lot of the crazy comboing stuff is reliant on runic cancels, which are unintended mechanics. And even then, they're not as long as like even half of the strings you can do in GOW 3. I won't deny that there is a good amount of tech in the game, but it's not like you can combo like in DMC 5 or have enemy AI like in Ninja Gaiden 2, which are the titles I would say is more deep than GOW 3. Everything else in the Norse games are RPG elements and playing strategically, they don't really have anything to do with mechanical skill. There's nothing wrong with it having less complexity in gameplay. After all, I doubt the game won awards for the gameplay lmfao. All everyone talks about in regards of the new games is the story and Kratos' character development.
@@byeetch Thier attack might be different but thier damage output is very low compared to the Blades and Cestuts to a point where they can only be be useful when the Blades and Cestuts become a bit too much and not to mention their magic attack suck and the only good attack they got is the centar that was tied to the claws and it will be only unlocked when you fully upgrade it..... And as you said we unlock attack as we upgrade weapons in the old games is true but 90 percent of time the only attack you get are special attack like L1+ movies which is what you will have at Start but will lose in because they have get to a square 1 Gow 3 has a great combat system i won't deny that but then the guys who don't like the new games because they can't kill anything in front of them start critiquing the combat mainly because "there is no jump or magic attack" They literally modified the combat system from the ground up to have at least a few similarities to the old games like the frost laser from leviathan axe to the eye of Atlantis from ghost of Sparta, atlas slam from blades of chaos to areas rage in ascension, arrow rain with drapnir spear to army of Sparta in 3, Boi's spectral wolfs to hades army from gow 1 And not to mention as I said earlier the new games provided both range and speed to attacks without any need for magic power drain or timed limits...... That on top of the elements effects and adds a new layer because it can hurt,slow and even weaken enemies and this is further made versatile by the drapnir spear's element syphon that can absorb elements of opposing enemies And here another thing...... The blades of chaos in god of war 4 and Ragnarok hold some of best attacks of all previous blades here they are Blades of Athena hold ⏹️ = Sprint hold R1 or 🔼 + R1 Blades of exile hold ⏹️ = R1 wait for a sec and R1 repeatedly or hold R1 Blade of exile or Athena roll and ⏹️ = move back ❎+R1 The rest are similar The blades in the new games have all the moves to the previous blades combined and has the most moves in the entire series if we exclude air combat I am not saying that gow 3 combat sucks or something but to people who criticize the combat of the new games doesn't appreciate the improvements in the new games and how it impacts the gameplay
@@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818 The Claws have way more range and better magic attacks than the Blades and the Whip has an insta launcher and better combo potential. These differences alone are enough to incentivise weapon switching and combo building. Combo in GOW isn't just for style like in DMC, longer combos = more damage which is essential in chaos mode. Not having aerial combat IS valid criticism. It significantly dumbs down the combo potential and mechanical skills needed go master the combat system. Again, I never said the newer games didn't have tech, it's just very obviously not as deep as the older games.
Bottun mashing combat is never better than real combat system . OG gow combat system is outdated and get repetitive real quick . Yes it’s a little fun but blind fun and it is objectively inferior to newer GOW games . That’s why the valkyries in gow 2018 are 100x more fun to fight than anything in older ones .
By the way , bloodborn’s combat shit on everything santa monica made combined . and you cant jump in that game . and Let’s not bring sekiro to the conversation which has only one weapon because the entire gow franchise is joke in comparison when it come to a superb combat system
OG GOW series always made me feel like it was example of the power of the god of war can do. Where GOWR felt more grounded style, a heavy hitter that gives massive damage while able dodge all attack. Using each weapon and new skills felt completely different but was unique.
OG GOW always made me feel like that too. I think since Kratos is holding back in the new games, his fighting style is different. He still feels strong but also STRONGLY suppressed.
@@TheNaturex20 Well said.
@@TheNaturex20you must know of Game Breaker God, where he showcases Kratos' almost not holding back in his combos especially GOW4 aka 2018 with the agile strikes
@@TheNaturex20 because kratos is not youn, he sgetting old too
HE CANT EVEN JUMP
Man…still in 2023 I’ll be playing God Of War 3 it’s the best game according to my gaming style 😌😌
Agreed
We all know that gow3's combat is more superior.
The spin moves on there are too godly
Jesus christ get a gf weirdo
God of War 3's combat is objectively superior. You can do combos while on the ground or while being in the air. God of War 3's combat is simply more versatile and has more depth to it. You can also "break" the game in God of War 3 if you are really good.
I pretty much agree. But I think it looks cooler when you break the newer games.
Agree sometimes classic are always better
Objective?
You clearly don't know the meaning of objective. Ragnarok has so much more depth and player expression than the old games and it isn't comparable. You also have more control, environments to use, and arenas that offer verticality in a way Gow 3 never does. Air combat isn't all it's made out to be. So you do the same attack in the air instead of on the ground. Who cares?
@@bhdf5304 keep telling yourself that
His combat style is obviously reflecting his more grounded and mature nature. Before it was all rage and anger fueling his attacks. Now he is a calm worn veteran. It's the same in real life for young and older martial artists/fighters.
yeah.. That really is the main difference between the combat systems. The way they contrast makes both styles feel more significant.
:D
Man WHO THE FUCK CARES, All I wanna do is have a nice hack N slash game now I gotta play a boring father wtf
GOW 3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Entire Ragnarok Career
THIS FOOL CAN'T EVEN JUMP?!
i was just thinking about this yesterday , i do miss the older style because for me it was simple but fun at the same time
I agree the older style was definitely more simple on the surface. I find it easier to chain moves and to absolutely dominate a group of enemies.
@@TheNaturex20 Goofy ass GOW4 🍆 rider🤓
God of war was never simple
Ragnarok gameplay is great for one on one fights. Reminds of Dark Souls combat just a bit faster and able to change input in a middle of a swing.
Yeah in 1v1s you can truly display some stylish combos. When there’s multiple enemies you will have to be more cautious but I think that goes for both games.
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@@TheNaturex20I wish and hope that for the next gow game, they change the combat to dmc style, like obviously we know they ain't changing the 3rd person story telling camera angle, but hopefully they change the combat style to how it is in dmc5, cause I love that shit
I personally think the god of war games are more about efficient play(using environment to your advantage,using enemy’s to your advantage,smart use of tools,positioning,recourse management,encounters,etc) rather than stylish play. A channel I recommend for these stuff is xristos Zimnas who is a challenge runner for the old games as well as extremegameplays.
Yeah I think those ways are more efficient when you’re fighting against multiple strong enemies and knowing these things would help out more than stylish play. But I see nothing wrong implementing a little more style along the way it adds more fun imo.
@@TheNaturex20 there’s nothing wrong with that I mean zesty(the last guy I mentioned) still plays with elegance in runs just don’t make it your only strategy
@@Omar8181 Bet, I’ll keep this in mind. And yeah that man Zesty is a fire RUclipsr same with Xristos. I watch both of them often.
@@TheNaturex20 Oh you already watch them lol didn’t know
@@TheNaturex20 oh also I don’t think the new games need a jump button well I do but for different reasons(traversal).
I was looking for this video...they took the FUN out of GOW,RDR,and games then.
Gow 3 much better in every way
Nah😂
yeah@@Adam-018
@@Adam-018gow 3 better
100℅ agree
@@Adam-018 fake gow fan
Personally, I prefer the difficulty of Ninja Gaiden Black vs that of Dark Souls. I may die a lot, but at least I'll look stylish doing so. In the original GoW trilogy and PSP games you still had to know when to block and dodge. It wasn't just a brainless button masher. Plus, those slowdown montages probably inspired Zack Snyder to do the same thing in 300.
Ofc not getting skilled at combos meant you had to know what button combos you were doing
Amazing video bro🔥
its ok for kratos to be calm and collective but the combat doesn’t have to be boring and slow
I don't think they can be compared since I think they are two different types of the game because they wouldn't make Kratos double jump in an open world game with that badass face, btw sonic was a great game🤣
Sonic is goated 😂. Aye I don’t see that as a good excuse to take away double bro! I miss air combos more than anything.
Naw, you can compare them cause they could add the jump for instance. I think they nerfed him on purpose though.
@@quintonmiller8266 yea true
I think it would be the opposite
like an open world would benefit from a double jump
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Gow 3 still the best one
Agree
I'd argue that the Greek saga was more fun and the story went deeper. 2018 and Ragnarok just fooled people with good graphics and corny (non self aware) dialogue. The last two games aren't even kratos' story
I agree that the Greek Saga had a deep story but idk if I would necessarily call the newer games corny. I personally think that Ragnarok could be the end of Kratos’ story because it obvious they wanna transfer it to Loki. Care to elaborate further on why you feel that way?
@@TheNaturex20 ok but first and respectfully I did enjoy 2018 after I got into it and I 100% ragnarok, they're not trash games but imo they're not main GOW stories.they're corny as in modern speak, cursing, and lack of depth( the story is pretty much disobedient boy gets himself in trouble and dad has to save him, oh look destiny and fate). Fun like combos having a purpose, platforming, wider variety of combos(also the jump button, but I assume we agree on that). And the last 2 games haven't been kratos' story it's been the boys. We got a glimpse of Athena and where the story might go, but this has been a what's Atreus' future story, which is cool if you're an Atreus'fans but kratos fans seem to have been put on the back burner . I've said before I would have no complaints if the newer series was named son of the God of War or something more catchy. Anyway lmk what u think, I enjoy your content keep it up
@@jpain5986 You make a good point honestly and I see where you’re coming from. Now that I think about it, the older god of war stories may actually have more depth. Because when you look at them at face value, they only appear as violent power fantasies. This is what the public mostly think but if you analyze it the story goes hard. In the new god of war games it doesn’t present itself the same way. It’s tone is more emotional and heartfelt, but if you think about it that’s all it really is. Despite this I still really enjoy the new Atreus saga and I believe it’s still well written. But I’m starting to agree that the old stories may have a little more depth.
@@jpain5986 One thing that I will also say is that I wished the Greek pantheon was a little more involved like the popular Athena theory. I feel like that would be a good direction and idk if they’re still planning to do so.
@@TheNaturex20 I agree that the new games continue kratos' storie to an extent but it feels like more of a side story now, maybe it's the writers approach idk. hopefully in the future games they'll wrap it up decently like I said I wasn't disappointed in the new games it's just not the same fun story game to me and I have almost as many hours in 2018 and Ragnarok as I do in gow 2&3 so idk. I would still get GOW 6 as long as it wasn't exclusively Atreus, if they wanna give him his own spin off game I'd probably wait to play for free lol
I don’t know why people compare everything to souls games when 99% of games where you are beating ass has a block, parry, and a dodge
THATS WHAT IM SAYING. I love souls games but people just give them too much credit. God of War literally had these mechanics back in like 2005.
@@TheNaturex20 facts I been playing the ogs and you can definitely block dodge and parry in gow 1 that slow down feels good
@@TheNaturex20 Videos goated btw
@@beacon_of_despair5263 Appreciate it
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As an old school gamer having spent hours in arcades back in the day, I much prefer the OG GOW series which brought back my love for video games. Games are supposed to be fast, fun, and not too complicated to pull off attacks. It is so much more fun developing lightning fast reflexes. Also the OG series was none stop action aside from puzzle breaks. Working on RPG progression trees is just boring. Reward me for progress and don’t bog me down with progression trees.
I agree with you
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@NATURE904 keep up the good work, Florida boy? If so I 🤬 whicha the long way. We need that GOW content fam
@@ThePoetNamedT lol I wanna go to Florida. And best believe more GOW content is on the way my guy
I love em both honestly but i do appreciate your perspective..... Damn God of War 3 was good 💯🤧 and i have to say i really really do love Ragnorok. So as someone who just loves God of War, i enjoy em both with complete and utter BIASED!!!!! 😌
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU. I enjoy playing as both and I think they’re both really good. Lowkey kinda hard to decide a victor.
God of war 3 has the most amazingly versatile combat system ever . The feeling of making combos from switching weapons so fast is as epic and powerful feeling aa it gets. Love new game graphics but gameplay doesnt interest me
bro thinks we would not notice fancy pants background music
“Had us in the first half ngl”
This is a great video
Considering the range of Blades it feels like comboing range attacks
I had a similar experience with how I used to play DMC
Subscribed, this video is too good. This is like a Dunkey video except you actually talked about what matters the most: the gameplay.
Go through your screenshots n tell me if u recognize kratos back in every shot.
The camera of the newer games doesnt allow you to see enemies attacking kratos back
Kratos holding back? I don't know, kratos was looking pretty tired after that fight with the gatekeeper in GOW 2018. I think Kratos just got weaker.
Which is frustrating when everyone is insisting kratos has gotten stronger. There's a clear disconnects between what's happening on screen and the statement fans are given
norse world definitely stronger than the Greek one even tho in real world myth its not necessarily like that, but in god of war it absoluetly is. Never seen Kratos struggle with any Greek God unlike Baldur who can hand to hand with him and Thor who actually killed and revived him. Baldur laughs off the killing Kratos dished onto Poseidon
@weegeearmy1391 that's a statement that's not necessarily true. I guarantee you if baldur fought Zeus, Zeus would beat the shit out of him. If Baldur fought Hades he would likely be killed if Hades was able to steal his soul. Thor definitely would get killed by Zeus seeing as how a rusty kratos was able to overpower him in the final battle. So no, Norse are not more powerful than Greek gods.
@@lazarus9638 Watch kratos' fight with zeus and the only time kratos was overpowered was his spirit form. Kratos simply doesn't show any sign of struggle battling with Greek gods. Effortlessly pulverizes poseidon, defeats hades in all tests of strength, tosses zeus around like a ragdoll, but the norse gods can go hand to hand and their magic ACTUALLY WORKS, while the greek gods die in ways you and i could accomplish.
I blame god of war 3 for this, it leaned completely into power fantasy mode at the expense of the Greek gods. They all die like regular humans and even their corpses are lugged around in truly humiliating display.
I love the combat however the original combat was something else. 6:44 and to be honest with you you are comparing runic with special moves you should compare it with magic in the old games you have a magic meter that is limited it makes you care about your every use of it because if you use it poorly then you will not have enough for the next encounter you REQUIRE to manage your resources be conservative use grab kills to fill health or magic the games make you creative. While in the new games you just waste time until they are filled again
Damn jump mechanic really made god of war ragnarök lose
😂 he's a thousand years old bro only jumps when he has to clear an obstacle
@@stephendavis4480 No the creator of the video made em lose cus of the jumps imao
@@Aldrohide yeah let's see how much he likes jumping a millennia from now 😂
@@stephendavis4480 in the lore it says the older gods get the stronger they become so....yeah you are the dummy congratulations 🎉
main problem is that there's too much cooldowns, I wished they made it rage/MP
I dislike kratos normal shield parry, I think it would've been smarter (AND A THOUSAND TIMES MORE TELLING OF HOW KRATOS GREW) if he had an isshen system from onimusha
Could you explain more about how that works. I’m not familiar with those games.
@@TheNaturex20 the attack button is also a parry button, it gives the player more resources than the average kill
2:15 Kratos goes brrrrrrrrrrrrr
This is The last of us with kratos skin, god of war died a long time ago.
No jump
No hits combos means if you play good you earn the same xp of someone who just press r1 all day
No arena mode
No death trom falling
No air combo
Downgraded gore
Just boring.
I agree with you, very sad.
Yeah I know, they should add this to God of war Ragnarok
The new gowr2018 and gowrragnarok are both boring, the OG still the best
No cap no cap My Supervisor threw on 2018 ..first time I seen it I was like what is this junk over the ahead third person lmaoooo .... why this dude ode stiff lmapo I was use to GoW 3 that action was godly fast paced
GoW 3 has one the best combat systems of all time but Ragnarok's combat for me was a huge improvement from 2018's combat. GoW 3 Definitely is faster due to its nature and narrative. It has aerial combat, grab choices, range and even the rage is so much faster the newer GoW games. While the newer ones focus a bit more in the narrative and story while not disregarding its combat.
When I was young i played all sorts of games. dispite growing up on welfare my father was a programer for a short period as was my uncle, his brother. I was born 1994 so peak era of cracked or "chipped" ps2s and any game older than the ps1 was relatively easy to torrent emulators. I played anything (as long as i got to destroy something, was never the type for mindcraft or strictly puzzle games, despite loving the puzzles in the POP trilogy as they weren't the WHOLE GAME) I remember thinking Jak 3 was the most well rounded game ever between its original and in my opinion best take on those 3rd person adventure games, fast based combat system like in slash em ups(though i must say they were fair less intricate, but the game offered so much more thats easy to forgive) .. I skateboard and one thing i never see brought up is the tricks he does on the hoverboard are legit skatetricks. it has elements from slash em ups, standard action and adventure stuff, gta, need for speed and to degree did weaponized racing better than mario or crash karts. I used play the original quake lan vs with my brothers witht he monitors back to back so no screen peaking hahaha used to run people through final fights in guild wars ffs. God of war was my favourite slash em up series, and they turned into into an rpg souls feeling game to capture that new audience. Completely forgetting the people like me who played it for the speed. You can argue you have to "think" more to get better at this but i dont think that marks supriority. You have to think faster to play the og style. both have there merits. But theres a new rpg every week and im an adult how doesnt have the time to scratch my chin trying make the ultimate build. I just want a classic slash em up with a few modern touch ups.... games were supposed to be fun now i cant leave gta alone for a week or im bankrupt from water bills. where did we go wrong.... and no offence to anyone who prefers the new game type im just saying theyre spitting in the face of us who supported god of war for what it was to please rpg elitists.
00:01
Now that wasn't fair. You're comparing the blades of Athena fully upgraded to level 1 - 2 levathian axe.
No cap that comparison to the Adventure vs Boost and how both are valid with that applying to GoW as well was a big W, GoW3 has that classic hackNslash fun with the potential for insane creativity while GoWR is more focus on player reaction and the gratification of parrying/dodging as well as player reaction while ripping and tearfin your way through hordes of enemies with a bit of player expression as well, GoW 4 and 5 are like if The Last of Us and og God of War had a baby with a dab just a drop of Fromsoft
5:20 LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
GOW3 Is my second favourite God of War Game (First is GOW2) Ragnarok Combat is more control but GOW1-3 Combat is flashy and great
9:03 the video litterally froze after you said "but this fool, STILL-"
Really? Hmm it didn’t do that for me..
@@TheNaturex20 it was just my trash internet
Ragnarok got me so mad because of 3 things. Horrible camera angles (1-3 was nice and zoomed out) unskippable cutscenes (i dont want to walk and talk for 30 hours in ng+) and the war being so bad and rushed. The ps3 was capable of showing a full war with olympia and whe you go to war with Oden its like 5 people and no army?
I prayed that somehow the new god of war would take the old style of combat to the next level. Oh well. i guess yiu cant expect games to stay the same
no naked women in ragnarok 😢
Facts like where the hoes at?
@@TheNaturex20 In the toolshed.
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@TheNaturex20 Hit a gym bitchless dork😭
@@jurtheorc8117 Hit a gym bitchless dork😭
Hard to go back to GoW3 after playing 2018 due to the over the shoulder camera perspective making it feel like you're more in the game. Ragnarok combat is even more dynamic and like you said, requires a lot more technique than just spamming attack
I’m surprised that you say that. A lot of people didn’t like the over the shoulder change and thought they were just copying other games. I personally like it other than the fact you get hit by a random projectile every now and then.
What? That camera is awful and completely inappropriate for the combat system and amount of enemies on screen. They literally have to put red indicators underneath you because you can't even see all the enemy attack animations and react, like a good combat system. The new game is a frankenstein's monster of different mechanics that don't fit each other.
@@SefniAsheforr Idk if I would call it awful but it can be difficult to navigate sometimes. I do like how to game forces you to be aware but I admit it’s not the best.
@@SefniAsheforr seems more realistic to me. IRL you don't wanna let the enemies surround you. Fortunately, Mimir warns of impending danger along with warrior senses (colored arrows)
What...
Is there a right side in this argument?
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God of war 3 will always be better then Ragnarok imo
Agreed
Considering GOW has always been compared to DMC, I know this is probably unfair but I can't help but compare new GOW to DMC 5. DMC 5 you can look stylish even if you aren't good and even better if you are. Stylish combos in DMC look a lot better than they do in GOW, require a ton of skill, and reward you for doing it both with more orbs, extra attacks in your combos, and louder more hype music. Last point might not sound like much but it really is satisfying to have feedback like that when you play games the way DMC and old GOW did. A bunch of random numbers and text popping on the screen every time you do anything is part of why Battlefield is so addictive too
While I respect your opinion. I don’t think GoW should be compared to DMC not even the older ones. I’ve only played GoW 3,2018 and Ragnarok and DMC 5, and 4. Their focus might seem similar but they feel completely different. GoW is more about satisfaction and brutality. While DMC is faster paced and more stylish. I’ve enjoyed GoW more because it was simple and easy to get into. All you have to do is beat the enemy no matter your skill level it’s quite fun and challenging. Where as DMC 5 I beat the game on devil hunter mode and didn’t feel like the combat clicked for me. I rarely got an SSS rating, but even when I got it it didn’t feel like I earned it. Despite beating the game. It didn’t feel like I beat the game, because I didn’t play stylishly. I stopped in the middle of second play through. I’ll give the older DMC’s a try maybe they’re simpler to get into.
I THINK I HAVE NEVER PLAYED DMC (LIKE 99% SURE)
WHY DMC AN GOW ARE COMPARED?
I ALWAYS THINK THAT KRATOS IS LIKE A LINK FROM ZELDA THAT KILL LIKE THE DOOMGUY BUT IM NOT SURE IF THAT IS BECAUSE I HAVEN PLAYED DMC
BTW IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL TO SEE KRATOS AND LINK AS A TEAM, BOTH HAVE A LOT OF SPECIAL WEAPONS AND MAGIC AND THEIR WORLDS KINDA FIT WELL
ALSO THE MASTER SWORD AND THE BLADES OF CHAOS ARE TWO OF MY ALL TIME FAVORITE WEAPONS
(ALONGSIDE OTHER FUTURISTIC LIKE THE LIGHTSABER AND THE ENERGY SWORD)
IT WOULD BE FUNNY TO SEE DEKU LINK AND KRATOS W/ICARUS WINGS FLYING AROUND ON A LABRITH AND BOTH LIKE WTF IS THE EXIT? XD
SIMILAR WITH ZORA LINK AND KRATOS W/POSEIDON TRIDENT ON WATER LEVELS
@@enmadaniaisabel1552 The original GOW trilogy was combo focused and gave ratings for your combos similar to how DMC does. The multiple switchable weapons mid combo mechanic was also something DMC made famous. But most importantly, DMC was the pioneer for third person action games in general. So games like GOW were being compared to DMC the same way every fps game used to be compared to Doom
@@nhlfan1001
OwO
WELL THAT MAKES SENSE NOW, IF I LOVE GOD DO YOU THINK IT IS WORTH TO TRY DMC TOO?
I LOVE DOOM AND HALO TOO SO... MAYBE I CAN TRY BUT I THINK I ALREADY HAVE TO MANY VG SAGAS TO FOLLOW T.T
(I NEED MORE TIME AND MONEY AND MAYBE ANOTHER PAIR OF HANDS)
KRATOS IN THE "SUS SAGA" IS LIKE GUY SENSEI VS MADARA
KRATOS IN THE "BOI SAGA" IS LIKE GUY SENSEI ON BORUTO
I think both games are good. The approach is just too different. The combat on older gow games is better and engaging. But the levels and hack and slash focus of the game can be too repetitive sometimes. Blades of chaos and leviathan axe are the best weapons in the series. The only things I don't like about the newer gow games is the rpg elements which is not necessary, the camera is too close to kratos and the somehow slow movements in the game. For me god of war 2018 is better overall. I haven't played ragnarok yet.
both are good but are honestly completely different types of genres. God of War was the pinnacle of hack n slash combat but it had deep mechanics most people never grasped.
what the new game needs is an increase in gameplay speed for mobility / attack frame data for both Kratos and the enemies. Attacks take way too long frame data wise, even the fastest light attack takes a while. Another thing that would help is to toggle a combo counter on screen if you want. And if we're being honest the game needs more gore. These three things are what og fans want to see. At least there are cancels in the game that allow for a deeper combat system. again, most people don't touch the surface lol
I disagree. GOW never hit the pinnacle of hack and slash gameplay. NG is 10x harder and has more gameplay depth than any of the titles in the OG GOW trilogy. Combo building? DMC just does it better.
What made the original GOWs so special was the spectacle it had. These massive landscapes set in the Greek mythos and a grand storyline on top of the solid gameplay mechanics separated it from the likes of other hack and slashes like DMC and NG.
What i don't get is why would Kratos hold back and be tame in the realm of fucking VIKINGS.
Yeah i think it’s because he knows if he unleashes his true capabilities, he may loose control of himself and revert back into a single minded killer.
Taking away Verticallity was a sin. You cant even platform in the new games. Takes a whole core branch of the gameplay out.
It's why games like spider-man are so popular. You don't need to be that good to look cool. These new god of war games need a high level of skill for you to actually look cool. It doesn't just tie cool animations to mashing square and triangle. I say this as someone that isn't that good at the new God of War games. However seeing goof players look cool playing it makes me wanna get better.
I think original’s GOW combat has more depth when it comes to its encounters and offensive options and weapons, but GOW Ragnarok gives you more defensive options such as parrying, dodging or rolling. It’s why it is more feasible to be able to beat the game with no damage compared to GOW 3 without abusing the tackle attack lol
DMC style vs Soulslike Style.
Get another parry in
We can hope that they will change the formula again in a new pantheon, maybe a mix between the greek trilogies massive scale, combat, air maneuvers and the northern sagas pg13 “we must be better” approach 😂
Damn bro, ragnorok is my favorite gow game but I didn’t like it for some reasons 1 the scale and set pieces aren’t as grandiose and doesn’t feel like I can take on a giant, 2 kratos is missing key features like air combat, more variety of move sets etc. 3 the actual ragnorok sequence felt pretty dull to be honest. 4 I prefer a more tame kratos story wise, but bro please give me old Kratos gameplay wise idc I want it so bad. Hopefully now that they are going to be switching mythologies, we get giant powerful gods that kratos can whoop they ass and give us a perfect mix between the two sagas, but damn that also sucks because I personally love the idea of the Norse saga but sadly they are done with it already
I pretty much agree with all your points here tbh
He’s getting old
All I’m saying is 100+ years old still whooping the likes of Thunder Gods, All fuckers and foresight users. It’s no reason he can’t jump.
He needs to Eat a Idunn Apple and He will regain his Youth.
I miss how he can use to jump
You crazy! He is still holding back, that's the difference and it reflects in his combat.
Blah blah story reasons blah blah, just because their is a “reason” for it being that way doesn’t make it fun
ive platinumed gow18 and gowr. im currently almost done with give me god of war on gow18. both games have suck ass combat. the biggest complaint i have is that kratos is WEAK SOUCE in both games. even at level 10 his strikes are WEAK. enemies litterally ignore his shit and will slap you around like a bitch. his movements and combo and camer are suited for 1v1 engagements. it has no worthy aeo/crowd control moves. the combat ONLY feels natural when you go against bosses regardless of them being trolls, valkyrie, beserkers ect ect. more than one on the screen and it breaks down. another issue i noticed in both games are the scripted attacks of bosses and how they will not register your attacks at certian moments. like when a valkyrie does her valhalla stomp if you try a big move it wont register at first you have to wait a second or two. i just got in the habit of using small attacks instead. same scripted shit happened especially fighting Gna in ragnarok. or when baldur does his zig zag and you slow down time and use a big attack it wont register. the devs are trash at making a fighting game and excel at making an enteractive movie.
*I haven't played the old games so I can't feel your disappointment but all i know is the combat in the new games are good to me*
I’m not saying this to hate but if you think the new combat sucks your probably just not good at it, if your play the game right you can make Kratos feel just as strong, he may not be as agile, or can’t even jump that sucks but he’s still just as good
First 3 God of war is the best....
They're just completely different entities which isn't a bad thing. There was some steps back in GOWR compared 4 but overall the combat system is still pretty good I just don't think the rpg mechanics was really all that necessary. God of War was worried about getting stale when games like Bayonetta, DMC and others simply kept improving their formula. They simply could've done the same with DMC5's camera where it's closer to Kratos but still spacious enough to see everything around you and just go all out with the weapons. Blades of Chaos don't hit like they used to. The Leviathan Axe, Fists/Shield(lame they got rid of this in GOWR) and Draupnir are all welcome additions to Kratos' arsenal. Hell I enjoyed using Draupnir more than any other weapon which nothing should outright outshine the Blades of Chaos. Even in 2018 Leviathan and Blades of Chaos felt pretty equal but in Ragnarok they just feel the same.
Ragnarok was pretty lackluster in restrospect compared to 2018 in terms of story and a bit of the combat elements but the overall shift in combat style isn't bad. The RPG elements just make things tedious. Gear leveling, health sponges and all that jazz are lame.
Overall as novel as it was to punch the shit out of Baldur and draugr up close. I prefer the old way of gameplay. Feels much more epic and exhilarating. I think aside from the rpg mechanics. Many of the things they introduced into the new games could've translated to the old combat style if done with careful management.
Pretty valid take. I feel like the things in the new style of combat still hasn’t reached their maximum potential yet. And you’re right the rpg elements added a level of grind that probably wasn’t necessary.
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Double jumps are stupid, why not make him jump higher the longer you press the jump button like Spiderman
Double jump can give you fighting combos and things. extended jumps just make you go farther
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Lets see did I finish GOF 3? Multiple times, yes, did I finish the new GOF games more than once? no. I got bored watching unskippable cutscenes and walking sections.
thisss
And alot of those "walking" sections are very short, and can't even be qualified to an actual walk and talk section.
Thank god this wasn’t the vid I thought it would be where you glaze gow3 and bash on ragnarok because of nostalgia and skill you literally debunked that entire argument😭
lmao imagine not being able to jump combos
I’m sorry but nothing god about god of war ragnorock animation cancels dawg I’m a regular degular player, you think I want to spend time learning how to do those. I’ll what the game gives me but if a boss just simply taking all that from a literally god killer then something wrong with the game .
I hate new games. I miss games like lords of shadow and Dante’s inferno or ninja gaiden. Let me play a game pls!
You can still do cool combos you know
Bottom line gameplay was better in the original 6 games and the story and character building is better in the new games.
Hell no. New game is soft the plot sucks and the cinematic scenes are boring. These new games are trash
@Men35960 I haven't finished either of them, but I have played all of the others fully. I like the old grizzled Kratos growing into being a father and learning from his mistakes, but I sure do miss the young badass he once was. Holding back all the time makes people think he's weak, but he'd wipe the floor with the world if the right nerve was hit.
Kingdoms of amalur did ragnarok better than ragnarok could ragnarok
3 easily
GOW 3 >>>>>>>>>> GOW 2018
soundtrack of new god of war games were mid at best. soundtrack of og GoW games were fire
Yo just cause those youtbers are good at gowr doesnt mean they have no lives. My guy you literally play a video game for incel aka Elden Ring and youre biased towards gow 3 which was made for dmc no lives who are good at those types of hack and slash games so the same can be said about you. You cant call anyone a no life especially if you play elden ring were you actually have to be a no life to be good at it
Guys if they made it a choice for me
I would choose to play a game similar to gow 3
I Freakin hate this camera angle
They killed what they built
Stick to what you are good at
See ds1 2 3 for example they changed nothing in the game and got a lot of fans happy
But they ruined gow
Congrats👎👎👎👎
Anyone who say god of war 3 has better combat because of jump button and 4 weapons
They are objectively wrong god of war 3 has 0 weapon variety, and air combat is clunky the new god of war games despite limiting the combat has a working set of moves that can be customized and special attack feel powerful rather than being useless unless fully upgraded like gow 3 and keeping up combat rewards the player with empowering the attacks and moment is easy and each weapon offer a special feature which more than just damage unlike the old ones and even fight with hands has its perks which is impossible in gow 3
Just because gow 3 has a large combat system and set pieces doesn't mean its good it is still trapped in the hack and slash era with the only difference being the massive set pieces that comes at a cost of poor story telling
This is just, wrong lol? The upgrades for weapons in the OG GOWs gave you more moves that you can weave in your combos, they're not simply stat stick upgrades. This ain't DMC 2 bro. Talking about combos, the variety and depth alone is more deep than anything the modern duology offers.
You seem to vastly underestimate the hack-and-slash genre. GOW 3 is not even the top 3 (imo) in it and the gameplay loop still competes with any other video game genre. In fact, at least in terms of pure mechanical skill, a lot of hack-and-slashes are actually infinitely more challenging than the saturated soulsborne games. Just look at titles like Ninja Gaiden and you'll see what I mean.
@@byeetch gow 3 has little no weapons variety as most weapons feel similar to blades of chaos with the only exception being the Neman Cestuts
And not to mention the variety offer isn't even close to the new god of game as the new ones offer various attacks depending on which direction you move and which motion you are in unlike the previous game where attacks are the same regardless how you move not to mention the weapon can be charged up for powerful elemental attack unlike the old god of war games where elemental effects are just some coating on the weapons that doesn't change anything and you will also receive a thera's Bane like upgrade for every weapon for keeping up the combat flow unlike the old games where you only receive combo number and +7 Red orbs for every 15 combos...... And let's not forget that the old games basically had no hand combat and you are always locked into the weapons you are in
I don't mean to hate the og gow or hack and slash genre but to people who say the new games don't have depth and variety have only played the new ones to only a surface level of what the new ones offer
@@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818 You see, it seems kinda hypocritical of you to complain about people not delving deep enough into the newer titles when you clearly aren't well-versed in the depths of the older games. Combo building is one of the most complicated game designs due to just the sheer amount of variation it has in terms of movesets.
To say things like "almost all weapons feel the same" when they all have different moves, damage and magic attacks AND unique quickswap attacks is just simply wrong. If your point is that they "feel" the same because there's 3 whip-like weapons then that's incredibly surface-level lmfao. Also, every time you upgrade weapons you unlock a plethora of NEW moves that can further improve your combo flow. So no, they're not really "just some coating on the weapons that doesn't change anything".
Now I won't act like I know everything about the newer games' combat system, but I do know that a lot of the crazy comboing stuff is reliant on runic cancels, which are unintended mechanics. And even then, they're not as long as like even half of the strings you can do in GOW 3. I won't deny that there is a good amount of tech in the game, but it's not like you can combo like in DMC 5 or have enemy AI like in Ninja Gaiden 2, which are the titles I would say is more deep than GOW 3. Everything else in the Norse games are RPG elements and playing strategically, they don't really have anything to do with mechanical skill.
There's nothing wrong with it having less complexity in gameplay. After all, I doubt the game won awards for the gameplay lmfao. All everyone talks about in regards of the new games is the story and Kratos' character development.
@@byeetch Thier attack might be different but thier damage output is very low compared to the Blades and Cestuts to a point where they can only be be useful when the Blades and Cestuts become a bit too much and not to mention their magic attack suck and the only good attack they got is the centar that was tied to the claws and it will be only unlocked when you fully upgrade it..... And as you said we unlock attack as we upgrade weapons in the old games is true but 90 percent of time the only attack you get are special attack like L1+ movies which is what you will have at Start but will lose in because they have get to a square 1
Gow 3 has a great combat system i won't deny that but then the guys who don't like the new games because they can't kill anything in front of them start critiquing the combat mainly because "there is no jump or magic attack"
They literally modified the combat system from the ground up to have at least a few similarities to the old games like the frost laser from leviathan axe to the eye of Atlantis from ghost of Sparta, atlas slam from blades of chaos to areas rage in ascension, arrow rain with drapnir spear to army of Sparta in 3, Boi's spectral wolfs to hades army from gow 1
And not to mention as I said earlier the new games provided both range and speed to attacks without any need for magic power drain or timed limits...... That on top of the elements effects and adds a new layer because it can hurt,slow and even weaken enemies and this is further made versatile by the drapnir spear's element syphon that can absorb elements of opposing enemies
And here another thing...... The blades of chaos in god of war 4 and Ragnarok hold some of best attacks of all previous blades here they are
Blades of Athena hold ⏹️ = Sprint hold R1 or 🔼 + R1
Blades of exile hold ⏹️ = R1 wait for a sec and R1 repeatedly or hold R1
Blade of exile or Athena roll and ⏹️ = move back ❎+R1
The rest are similar
The blades in the new games have all the moves to the previous blades combined and has the most moves in the entire series if we exclude air combat
I am not saying that gow 3 combat sucks or something but to people who criticize the combat of the new games doesn't appreciate the improvements in the new games and how it impacts the gameplay
@@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818 The Claws have way more range and better magic attacks than the Blades and the Whip has an insta launcher and better combo potential. These differences alone are enough to incentivise weapon switching and combo building. Combo in GOW isn't just for style like in DMC, longer combos = more damage which is essential in chaos mode. Not having aerial combat IS valid criticism. It significantly dumbs down the combo potential and mechanical skills needed go master the combat system. Again, I never said the newer games didn't have tech, it's just very obviously not as deep as the older games.
Bottun mashing combat is never better than real combat system . OG gow combat system is outdated and get repetitive real quick . Yes it’s a little fun but blind fun and it is objectively inferior to newer GOW games . That’s why the valkyries in gow 2018 are 100x more fun to fight than anything in older ones .
By the way , bloodborn’s combat shit on everything santa monica made combined . and you cant jump in that game . and Let’s not bring sekiro to the conversation which has only one weapon because the entire gow franchise is joke in comparison when it come to a superb combat system
@@kingahmad90 you can jump in Bloodborne
It ain’t a button masher if you stop playing on easy mode
Everything after Gow3 is shit
Devil may cry is better than both