Hey, I was a snare player on this line. First off, the reason why the warmups are so short and simple is entirely because of choice. Jesus (percussion captionhead) just doesn’t believe in long, complicated warmups, he doesn’t think of the warmup as a “show before the show” he thinks of it as a warmup. Even going so far as to pick spots purposely out of the way and hard to find so the players are more focused on setting themselves up for success during the real show, rather than impressing a crowd. This was my third year with Jesus, having marched two years beforehand under him at his previous corps, Music City. And even when we had 7 vets returning to a 9 man snare line (who all were great players), the warmup packet was nearly the exact same, say for a swapped roll exercise. For those who plan to audition for phantom: this video is a great resource, but I still highly recommend downloading the packet for yourself. This warmup lot was an abbreviated version of an already abbreviated version of the packet in a video edited down for a palatable watchtime. On top of that it isn’t consistent, they pick and choose which exercises depending on the time given at the show and whoever is running the warmup. That’s why eights started really fast, and was stock-dynamics-stock. Or why we played that 12/8 duple rolls exercise (which isn’t even in the packet), because Dan (guy in the red hat) was running warmups. If it were cheese, eights would start slow and he’d only do stock once and then end with dynamics. And he’d swap out 12/8 rolls for the triplet roll exercise but with buzzes. Point is, come in prepared with every exercise in the packet, but also challenge your brain at home and build your ability to learn things on the fly. As for the dirt, well I’m certainly not going to make any excuses, I heard the dirt too, hell I was there for it. But if I were to answer your question (are older lines cleaner than modern ones) I’d point out that back when you marched, you didn’t have access to constant high quality video and audio recordings that you could replay endlessly. It’s a lot easier to call ticks and cement a judgement in your mind when you can rewatch them hundreds of thousands of times if you wanted to. But back when you marched, your primary mode of viewing a drumline was EXPERIENCING it live and you can only EXPERIENCE something once. All those tiny mistakes and ticks that you have to go back and watch the video for to notice go over your head when you only have one chance to watch a couple reps of something before you need to go see whoever is next in the lot. Also there are still plenty of times a bad attack has immediately had a rep cut during warmups. It’s just again, you’re watching a video edited down for time, those aren’t included. Even then this was the Atlanta regional, so the several rain delays plus the nightmarish traffic leads to a very short warmup time. Anyways good video, I enjoyed it. Cheers
Hi Caleb, Thanks for taking time to reply! Congrats on another season! I had a very similar experience at Cadets, like you guys we would walk what seemed miles away from all the people and do a very simple warmup. It was all about the show performance. You make a good point about the number of cameras now catching action. Lines and corps grow a persona that they are always clean and now that people see behind the curtain into sectionals etc. especially pre finals it shows the cleaning journey. With ref to “dirt” by lines this is in no way toward you guys, I mean in the wider sense, BD for instance and Boston were rough to start, I am wondering do lines need to be as clean? With much more emphasis on GE is there a balance now between “wow” moments and ticks? Or do you think cleanliness is as important as it ever has been? For the record I actually think drum corps would be better without any judges (but that’s a chat for a different day) so I am actually in favour of notes, wow moments and pushing boundaries over a little “grey” sound. Thanks Geoff
Such great points. I agree about the instructors and staff. Some staffs understand the PURPOSE of a warm-up: it's to get the hands and brains going so they can FOCUS on the book (Cavaliers). Some instructors see it as an entire separate repertoire and a means to show-off in the lot or even just to gain popularity (i.e. SCV from the early 2000s, Bluecoats, Boston). I think warm-ups should be simple, include parts of the book, and remain simple and yet effective enough to be challenging. Get the mind and hands going, and get REPS on the book.
@@Inspadave I totally agree. There's way too much meat with Boston regardless of where they are on the field or what the brass is playing. They have so much talent, too. The respect amongst all the "lot lizards' is there, but I understand completely why they're not winning Sanford trophies.
I think the cleanliness issues you brought up are due to how drums are tuned now and also not wasting time for issues that the players can already hear and have the knowledge to fix by themselves on the next rep.
good point, def changed sound over years as well as head and technique choices, the players are often far more experienced now with WGI giving year long learning and info all over the net.
Love this video and have been really enjoying digging into your content. These warm up exercises have been really fun to dive into as someone who is primarily drum set player. I just uploaded a clip playing along with one of the exercises using your notation. Thank you again for creating these videos.
Lines aren't necessarily cleaner now, but the level of the stuff they're playing now is much harder than what was played 10 years ago mostly because of how funky some of the stuff is with the feet. The modulations of stuff played now, plus all the body movement and insane drill is pretty ridiculous honestly.
Cant argue with that. for me its generally swung a little too far towards the complicated rhythms" route but they are pulling off stuff that is very difficult.
@@FreestyleRudiments I agree. DCI and WGI stuff used to be fun just kinda bang out and play. Now with some of these crazy rhythms it's more of a headache to even attempt to learn.
Hey, I was a snare player on this line. First off, the reason why the warmups are so short and simple is entirely because of choice. Jesus (percussion captionhead) just doesn’t believe in long, complicated warmups, he doesn’t think of the warmup as a “show before the show” he thinks of it as a warmup. Even going so far as to pick spots purposely out of the way and hard to find so the players are more focused on setting themselves up for success during the real show, rather than impressing a crowd. This was my third year with Jesus, having marched two years beforehand under him at his previous corps, Music City. And even when we had 7 vets returning to a 9 man snare line (who all were great players), the warmup packet was nearly the exact same, say for a swapped roll exercise.
For those who plan to audition for phantom: this video is a great resource, but I still highly recommend downloading the packet for yourself. This warmup lot was an abbreviated version of an already abbreviated version of the packet in a video edited down for a palatable watchtime. On top of that it isn’t consistent, they pick and choose which exercises depending on the time given at the show and whoever is running the warmup. That’s why eights started really fast, and was stock-dynamics-stock. Or why we played that 12/8 duple rolls exercise (which isn’t even in the packet), because Dan (guy in the red hat) was running warmups. If it were cheese, eights would start slow and he’d only do stock once and then end with dynamics. And he’d swap out 12/8 rolls for the triplet roll exercise but with buzzes. Point is, come in prepared with every exercise in the packet, but also challenge your brain at home and build your ability to learn things on the fly.
As for the dirt, well I’m certainly not going to make any excuses, I heard the dirt too, hell I was there for it. But if I were to answer your question (are older lines cleaner than modern ones) I’d point out that back when you marched, you didn’t have access to constant high quality video and audio recordings that you could replay endlessly. It’s a lot easier to call ticks and cement a judgement in your mind when you can rewatch them hundreds of thousands of times if you wanted to. But back when you marched, your primary mode of viewing a drumline was EXPERIENCING it live and you can only EXPERIENCE something once. All those tiny mistakes and ticks that you have to go back and watch the video for to notice go over your head when you only have one chance to watch a couple reps of something before you need to go see whoever is next in the lot.
Also there are still plenty of times a bad attack has immediately had a rep cut during warmups. It’s just again, you’re watching a video edited down for time, those aren’t included. Even then this was the Atlanta regional, so the several rain delays plus the nightmarish traffic leads to a very short warmup time.
Anyways good video, I enjoyed it. Cheers
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Hi Caleb, Thanks for taking time to reply! Congrats on another season! I had a very similar experience at Cadets, like you guys we would walk what seemed miles away from all the people and do a very simple warmup. It was all about the show performance.
You make a good point about the number of cameras now catching action. Lines and corps grow a persona that they are always clean and now that people see behind the curtain into sectionals etc. especially pre finals it shows the cleaning journey.
With ref to “dirt” by lines this is in no way toward you guys, I mean in the wider sense, BD for instance and Boston were rough to start, I am wondering do lines need to be as clean? With much more emphasis on GE is there a balance now between “wow” moments and ticks? Or do you think cleanliness is as important as it ever has been?
For the record I actually think drum corps would be better without any judges (but that’s a chat for a different day) so I am actually in favour of notes, wow moments and pushing boundaries over a little “grey” sound.
Thanks
Geoff
Great comment. But the warm up part made me want to @ Roger Carter & Murray Gusseck.
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Such great points. I agree about the instructors and staff. Some staffs understand the PURPOSE of a warm-up: it's to get the hands and brains going so they can FOCUS on the book (Cavaliers). Some instructors see it as an entire separate repertoire and a means to show-off in the lot or even just to gain popularity (i.e. SCV from the early 2000s, Bluecoats, Boston). I think warm-ups should be simple, include parts of the book, and remain simple and yet effective enough to be challenging. Get the mind and hands going, and get REPS on the book.
I would even say that some books are written more for the lot (Boston) than the field
@@Inspadave I totally agree. There's way too much meat with Boston regardless of where they are on the field or what the brass is playing. They have so much talent, too. The respect amongst all the "lot lizards' is there, but I understand completely why they're not winning Sanford trophies.
I think the cleanliness issues you brought up are due to how drums are tuned now and also not wasting time for issues that the players can already hear and have the knowledge to fix by themselves on the next rep.
good point, def changed sound over years as well as head and technique choices, the players are often far more experienced now with WGI giving year long learning and info all over the net.
Love this video and have been really enjoying digging into your content. These warm up exercises have been really fun to dive into as someone who is primarily drum set player. I just uploaded a clip playing along with one of the exercises using your notation. Thank you again for creating these videos.
thanks for the feedback appreciate you watching and commenting
Sweet! 💚🥁💚🥁
Can you please do SCV Triplet Timing warm up?
This one corps wanted me to join because im pretty good with a bowstaff.
I love your videos can you please do Boston Crusaders 2023 snare feature.❤❤❤
Can you please do some videos on snare breaks from this year?
yes, I have been abroad so need a few weeks to catch up. I will prob start with cavaliers, let me know which ones you all like best!!
you should do blue devils double beat
next video is BD but not double beat yet...
Mandarins lots next please🙏🙏
I am dom.
Can you transcribe the tracking block please
Do Cap City's "Harp"
Bro I know one of those guys, Mr. David Clasgens
Some instructors do warm-ups, some instructors do warm-outs 😂
Bruv…when and who did you match with. I played snare 1990-1992 DCUK
I played bass drum in DCUK in 1990 and 1991 and tenors in and 92! but I also marched DCI with BD and Cadets and taught at Bluecoats.
@@FreestyleRudiments you’re so good. New you marched DCI….your flam drags are way to tight 😂 love the vids. Excellent teacher too.
You should definitely do more Ohio state stuff. Need help😅
Black Max's n dirty playing is what rules now 💔
Lines aren't necessarily cleaner now, but the level of the stuff they're playing now is much harder than what was played 10 years ago mostly because of how funky some of the stuff is with the feet. The modulations of stuff played now, plus all the body movement and insane drill is pretty ridiculous honestly.
Cant argue with that. for me its generally swung a little too far towards the complicated rhythms" route but they are pulling off stuff that is very difficult.
@@FreestyleRudiments I agree. DCI and WGI stuff used to be fun just kinda bang out and play. Now with some of these crazy rhythms it's more of a headache to even attempt to learn.
Why are they standing that way? DCI in the 80s you'd been ridiculed to no end. Unnecessary...goofy.
Art has replaced 💪. Can't be all that comfortable or good for your back
That’s their set position