UPDATED Dragonflight Season 4 PvP Tier List!! EVERY SPEC RANKED

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  • Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024

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  • @kotibus9417
    @kotibus9417 4 месяца назад +78

    Do a Blizzard employee tier list instead pls. Cleaning lady gets A tier for working on PvP on the side, everyone else gets L for lazy or E for the most efficient money printing method (literally 0 employees working on PvP while generating millions monthly with it).

    • @christoffer5875
      @christoffer5875 4 месяца назад +8

      Just remember the pvp director of wow just said they were happy with the cadence of pvp changes in dragonflight right to Venrukis face. If ANYONE excepts TWW to be different theyre stupid

    • @JustinPartlow-m6z
      @JustinPartlow-m6z 4 месяца назад +1

      Pvp is great right now. If your not having fun go play Pokémon or something.. the balance in wow is pretty dang good considering it's nearly impossible to balance that many specs

    • @kotibus9417
      @kotibus9417 4 месяца назад +2

      @@JustinPartlow-m6z It is pretty good. The assertion was that Blizzard is putting absurdly little effort into it. The entirety of Dragonflight PvP changes were basically just number tuning every 4 weeks and two 5 minute fixes on healer rewards. You're paying a monthly fee and you pay for mandatory expansions just to keep playing PvP and Blizzard literally has 0 employees working specifically on PvP. A steam game for 30$ that doesn't fix core features (like e.g. solo shuffle queue times) would get review bombed.

    • @robcas5136
      @robcas5136 4 месяца назад +3

      @@JustinPartlow-m6z pvp are so bad right now, and if this happen is cause of people like you. Blizzard keep throwing shit on this game and you guys are keeping say: " THANK YOU BLIZZARD, this cioccolate is good💞". no way of get out of this

  • @CaledonianCraft
    @CaledonianCraft 4 месяца назад +1

    Holy and Sham are S-tier. Pres is A-tier. That how I would place the top 3 healers personally but it is fairly subjective.

  • @kirainvest9654
    @kirainvest9654 4 месяца назад +22

    frost dk vs unkillable holy priest is alot of fun

  • @enzoshink7597
    @enzoshink7597 4 месяца назад +31

    I like how frost dk is insta f tier for every content lol... they really need to fire dk dev and hire someone else, tbh i dont even know if there is a dev😅

    • @xibbas7055
      @xibbas7055 4 месяца назад +7

      The DK dev actually had some insane Unholy changes in the most recent war within update. So my hopes for his plans for frost are up there.
      Frost suffers from obviously poor design and being held down by unholy being very volatile in how tanky it gets with necrotic wounds.

    • @lukabozic5
      @lukabozic5 4 месяца назад +2

      Frost DK is good in m+, that's all that matters to Blizzard, there is only 1 person doing PvP balancing after all

    • @jacobshaw9820
      @jacobshaw9820 4 месяца назад

      It's probably not the DK dev. The people who do PvP balance just seem to dislike Frost DK. BoS is nerfed by 33% and Frostwyrm's Fury by 70%. They could easily make Frost at least do good damage, but they don't care.

    • @kirainvest9654
      @kirainvest9654 4 месяца назад +1

      @@jacobshaw9820 also the clothes buff is really bad for frost dk because this made priests to tanky. They also buffs all classes to crazy with to much new abilitys which counters frost dks pillars frost.

    • @gregjross852
      @gregjross852 4 месяца назад +5

      Woah calm down there… they’re alright in M+ but I wouldn’t say they’re good compared to the classes they’re actually good in m+ lol

  • @arcadialive4265
    @arcadialive4265 4 месяца назад +15

    Holy pally 😢 it’s madness most of their offensive abilities cost mana and even if they don’t use them they still go oom the fastest 😢

    • @t.ydunston2251
      @t.ydunston2251 4 месяца назад

      Heal until you run out of mana. It’s what the strong Hpals do 😭😭

    • @arcadialive4265
      @arcadialive4265 4 месяца назад +9

      @@t.ydunston2251 then lose to the dragon who hasn’t needed to learn that mana is a resource 😂

    • @t.ydunston2251
      @t.ydunston2251 4 месяца назад

      @@arcadialive4265 hahaha

    • @MrPalelight
      @MrPalelight 4 месяца назад +5

      not only cost mana, the damage is very low, and its one more GCD clutting the rotation, its not even worth pressing, thats what i feel.

  • @starcraft2zone
    @starcraft2zone 4 месяца назад +6

    Arcane, fury, arms, and feral all need to be in B imo… sure played by a pro they are A in potential but everyday in the later they aren’t very good on average. Like a noob can log on a ret or evoker and pump, at do that with some of the other classes on A tier

    • @rpgking92
      @rpgking92 4 месяца назад

      just "pumping" is not enough you are not taking into account a classes whole kit, sure evoker "pumps" but has weak defensive and 1 crowd control on a 15 sec cooldown???, 25 yard range. The difference between a good ret and a bad ret is night and day, good rest sanc, sacrifice bop, off heal at the right times. etc

    • @-_-_UNivErSe_-_-
      @-_-_UNivErSe_-_- 4 месяца назад

      Ye, Arcane and Feral are great only if played by a pro - 100% agree! Fury is NEVER ever better than WW or in any way close to A-tier. I don't know why people think a dmg buff changes any of the problems the class has. It got ZERO changes as far as the mobility/getting kited problems are concerned - so maximum B-tier for Fury - except in maybe a very special comp that keeps you mobile enough it could see it B+

    • @pharmztko
      @pharmztko 4 месяца назад

      Specs should be ranked by their full potential.. it’s stupid to rank something by how a noob that doesn’t use any buttons plays it lmao

    • @wideout7838
      @wideout7838 4 месяца назад

      @@-_-_UNivErSe_-_-windwalker has way more problems getting kites than fury does lol that’s certainly not the problem

  • @StrobeFireStudios
    @StrobeFireStudios 4 месяца назад +2

    zero ferals, zero enhancement, zero warriors. this meta is so fucking boring man. why cant blizzard make these sub-optimal classes OPTIMAL? lets have some fun. lets change the meta. lets actually see an enhancement shaman wielding a 2 handed axe again. lets see a feral bleeding people as oppressively as a boomie. lets see those Condemn spamming warriors back to business. im sick and tired of seeing fucking demon hunters and rogues shitting on everyone with impunity.

  • @polyrhythmz2620
    @polyrhythmz2620 4 месяца назад +10

    Kinda think every spec should get lowered a tier while those in S stay. The overtuned specs are WAAAAY overtuned

  • @StarShopping69
    @StarShopping69 4 месяца назад +7

    Remember when DH's screamed at the top of their lungs that their spec was dead with the multiple rounds of nerfs just for them to actually not be enough?

  • @791005a
    @791005a 4 месяца назад +4

    Can you do a tier list for the 1400 ladder?

    • @danieltsmoke
      @danieltsmoke 4 месяца назад +3

      We need a better ambassador for someone of our skillset. Maybe clunkydoo, or arrowassassin?

  • @Zetherior
    @Zetherior 4 месяца назад +9

    INB4 Blizzard cant even comprehend the problem and just resorts to nerfing damage instead.

  • @bertreynolds8146
    @bertreynolds8146 4 месяца назад +1

    root/beam is one of the stupidest mechanics ive seen in WoW, ever. I think it might be the worst. It was like polymorph back in the day, completely busted.

    • @T.A.O-f9v
      @T.A.O-f9v 4 месяца назад

      thats why pple are going gnome priest for escape artist and ye i agree, the fact that pple are spending money to change clas and racial spell to counter druids says a lot (pple did the same with dark iron dwarf for assa bleeds).

  • @donaldpeace
    @donaldpeace 4 месяца назад +3

    Survival hunter is def not lower than other hunter specs. Representation doesn't speak for survival imo. But I'm fine with it. Buff them up son!!!

    • @kadov3579
      @kadov3579 4 месяца назад

      True, I'm a surv OTP, I'm 2200 and I'm not even trying to climb, 2400 this season easy. Go ahead and buff me please. :D

  • @1refi
    @1refi 4 месяца назад +3

    Sub rogue is not a b spec and im a warlock main.
    That spec is literally one of the worst specs in the game for pvp now.

  • @matviia
    @matviia 4 месяца назад +5

    Where Aug

    • @pharmztko
      @pharmztko 4 месяца назад

      In the garbage can

  • @Piercett-nb7iv
    @Piercett-nb7iv 4 месяца назад +6

    During last night's AWC, I noticed that the rogue characters seemed to only be picked for their ability to stun and gouge and didn't contribute much else. All the kills were made by the Boomkins, and the rogue's DPS was close to the Envoker healers and they were often rooted somewhere in the map. Additionally, it's concerning that the developers focus on tuning these classes for AWC when so few people actually watch it. The whole five-hour video only had 800 likes. It seems like the developers are ruining the game by designing classes for mythic+ and then trying to sell them for PvP. It just doesn't make sense.

    • @popojaga7312
      @popojaga7312 4 месяца назад

      As m+ player, no dude they are balancing it around for raid mostly hence considered meta picks in m+ still get buffs sometimes, cause their raid ST is 5% below

    • @andrecardoso6941
      @andrecardoso6941 4 месяца назад +1

      Some rogues were doing really good dmg but you have to take into account what makes rogues strong isn't their dmg but their ability to control the game. They only do dmg on setups the rest of the time they have to spend most of their time peeling for their team mates.

    • @Piercett-nb7iv
      @Piercett-nb7iv 4 месяца назад

      @@andrecardoso6941 they picked that only for control but look at every kill in Boomkin rogue setups they probably land a dispatch in whole kill logs. they did Nerf the Outlaw Rogue last week while it can't kill anything in solo shuffle any more why? Cuz ppl can get carried by other classes in 3s and awc. While they only land gouges and kidney and chipshot and do 40k damage.

    • @T.A.O-f9v
      @T.A.O-f9v 4 месяца назад +1

      BRO U Watched awc on youtube lmao, was 20k viwers on twitch

    • @Piercett-nb7iv
      @Piercett-nb7iv 4 месяца назад

      @@T.A.O-f9v it had 80k viewer on RUclips but only 800 like ...

  • @WhiteJacob007
    @WhiteJacob007 4 месяца назад +2

    I know there will always be a Meta Spec, I just hate that lately I can’t bring myself to play it because it’s a chicken…

  • @jcemocion812
    @jcemocion812 4 месяца назад +3

    Where is aug evoker

    • @T.A.O-f9v
      @T.A.O-f9v 4 месяца назад

      was only a bad dream, they never existed

  • @sinis9243
    @sinis9243 4 месяца назад +1

    Rogue is so trash like always 🤡🤪😂 I can’t believe this is the 4th expansion in a row there’s no rogues!!! Sub rogue needs to be buffed.

  • @RJ-hm8wc
    @RJ-hm8wc 4 месяца назад +2

    Hpala, the last healer caster. All other healers just stand there, checking on their pizza as their ai does it all

  • @quizkill
    @quizkill 4 месяца назад +2

    Feral is starting to make more sense in this updated tier list sitting at low A tier. Personally, I would stick feral at high B tier.

  • @dompit9535
    @dompit9535 4 месяца назад +4

    preservation OP

    • @Gerritson
      @Gerritson 4 месяца назад

      Holy more op

  • @TheRednet91
    @TheRednet91 4 месяца назад +1

    I'm seeing more augmentation evoker but it's not on the list

  • @hiroki_rinn
    @hiroki_rinn 4 месяца назад +1

    Mah poor Destro spec! 🤣😭

  • @KapitanObvious
    @KapitanObvious 4 месяца назад +1

    One more thing, maybe Blizz could do something like resist to dispell of 50%(except unstable affliction)
    They only one love its when someone get melted durung they dispell unstables with 500k and get one shotted...
    Imagine you have dots with dps aroud 30-40k (on one target). And they god dispelled all the time.
    That similar if you played and you ane cast or melee spells are missed everyone 2nd time... that is just not fun.
    I think I need try demo.
    But I think no one give a cast again...
    You cant just cast.
    Palas\DK\DH\MONKS\Ferals\Warriors\Rogues\(even some casters Boomkins) just sit on you

  • @tdaddy90
    @tdaddy90 4 месяца назад +2

    venruki u on target son

  • @Saitiabroad
    @Saitiabroad 4 месяца назад +1

    Could litterally take the top half of A and move it to b, and all of B to c, and its a better tier list.

  • @paulrichter1846
    @paulrichter1846 4 месяца назад +2

    i cant see augmentations ^^ on which tier is it?

    • @pharmztko
      @pharmztko 4 месяца назад

      Not on there but it’s F

  • @cypher0124
    @cypher0124 4 месяца назад +1

    ive checked out of dragonflight. Ill try cataclysm pvp. War within looks awful as well.

  • @Beamin439
    @Beamin439 4 месяца назад +14

    why are non warlock players so delusional about affliction lmao. patch 642 in a row of every non lock thinking aff will be S/A tier only for it to be F tier again.

    • @peterman8848
      @peterman8848 4 месяца назад +1

      It was A tier in season 3

    • @grantx6
      @grantx6 4 месяца назад

      accidentally dispell one row of dots and took 860k immediately

    • @Beamin439
      @Beamin439 4 месяца назад +1

      @@peterman8848 no it wasnt. assassin rogue was.

    • @Lacertos
      @Lacertos 4 месяца назад

      Eh, I mained Affliction in Season 3, and I had absolutely no problem.

    • @Beamin439
      @Beamin439 4 месяца назад

      @@Lacertos link character

  • @4justicee
    @4justicee 3 месяца назад +1

    Pvp means rbg or arena? Do i miss anything

  • @GpDailyGames
    @GpDailyGames 4 месяца назад +3

    Ventierlistruki!!! Hype!!

  • @wraith9166
    @wraith9166 4 месяца назад

    lazy tier list. would have preferred if you start one from scratch.

  • @alexwells8487
    @alexwells8487 4 месяца назад +2

    fury over arms??

  • @steiner7045
    @steiner7045 6 дней назад

    why bm hunter hfve b tier ? maby s tier?

  • @GrotesqueN
    @GrotesqueN 4 месяца назад

    SP, FURY , FERAL 100% is B tier.

  • @theriversexperience9383
    @theriversexperience9383 4 месяца назад

    Should have started with a blank list and then compared them.

  • @brjones27
    @brjones27 4 месяца назад

    Ven tired of getting owned by Flark.

  • @-Tecky-
    @-Tecky- 4 месяца назад

    Goes to show this game is fuckked

  • @GrimmRanger-Thrall
    @GrimmRanger-Thrall 4 месяца назад

    frost DK is way better then C tier

  • @bluebeem6033
    @bluebeem6033 4 месяца назад

    Ven always shitting on boomys every season still he could Not get that high on uncleelliot😂

    • @maagi1
      @maagi1 4 месяца назад

      Could you?

  • @xSadalx
    @xSadalx 4 месяца назад

    Keeping pres-evok S, above Resto Shaman which out performs it in every way, and also isn’t directly countered by the most popular cast (moonkin) is copium.
    Also… nerf moonkin. Class is boring as FUCK to watch. Run around in bear form, cyclone, and still tops meters. Boring…

  • @predragdodic5761
    @predragdodic5761 4 месяца назад

    I am so happy that i fanally stopped playing this shitty game, fcking Blizzard and wow devs just lost their minds completely...

  • @LastTryMedia
    @LastTryMedia 4 месяца назад

    Such a lack of comp diversity speaks loudly to the poor balancing in PvP. Honestly. Its depressing and the reason AWC is so damn boring to watch

  • @meta3323
    @meta3323 4 месяца назад +8

    Balance- Cyclone
    DH- AoE stun, imrpison, ST stun
    Outlaw- many cc
    Ret- Stun, blind, bubble
    Assass- many cc
    Unh DK- Two interrupts, stun, pet stun, pet kick, 2 grips
    All the high meta classes have tons of CC and micro CC. The meta is CC and how many instant cast abilities/spells you have. Plus mobility is a bonus. What a shitty non fun PvP state. I love watching my character die after suffering 15 seconds of back to back CC while they pound my DPS into the floor.

    • @CarTboy14
      @CarTboy14 4 месяца назад

      I played during the start of dragon flight and season 1 then quit . Sounds like the meta hasn't changed, except balance dudu gotten stronger

    • @JB-rb3jk
      @JB-rb3jk 4 месяца назад +2

      Sounds like you need to get out of the 1500 bracket

    • @andrecardoso6941
      @andrecardoso6941 4 месяца назад +1

      If you getting CC'd for 15 seconds straight while your DPS gets pounded into the floor your DPS and yourself aren't playing that well. I mean that can happen in 1 or 2 comps but even then there's ways to avoid CC and ur dps should also help you avoid getting CC'd.

    • @andrecardoso6941
      @andrecardoso6941 4 месяца назад +1

      @@CarTboy14 but hey MOP gets talked as the best PvP expansion of all time and MOP was the first expansion where they introduced a shit ton of instant micro CC. People just love to hate. These AWC have been really fun to watch I just wish there was some more balance instead of watching the same classes dominate the game all the time.

    • @meta3323
      @meta3323 4 месяца назад

      @andrecardoso6941 I'm mainly talking from a perspective of Solo Shuffle. When I'm with the boys in actual 3s it's a bit easier when you got teammates to help look out for you.

  • @ItsBarnabyJones
    @ItsBarnabyJones 4 месяца назад

    It’s pathetic that people are forced to play what’s meta in this game instead of what they actually want to play because blizzard won’t balance classes in pvp. If you don’t play what’s meta then you struggle all season. This is what this game has turned into is, what’s the best meta and who’s on top, then everyone rolls those classes, then blizzard nerfs them because “they are to strong” just because they see people playing the crap out those classes . It’s a never ending cycle that blizzard can’t seem to get away from.

  • @tcplaya2882
    @tcplaya2882 4 месяца назад

    Blizzard has done a phenomenal job when it comes to balancing this expansion…… smfh 🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @prdgmshft9107
    @prdgmshft9107 4 месяца назад

    All this proves is what every pvp’er already knew and why that interview got flamed so hard. For what it’s worth I’d like to draw that distinction but come on u have to know how toxic PvPers are, then you take an inter with well known player and then have no real answer for some mid tier questions u have to have some kind of notion that would be asked of you to answer. Do you not have a cell phone?

  • @roo2127
    @roo2127 4 месяца назад

    The representation in AWC was never in doubt.
    Exactly the way I thought it would be minus a few arms warrior attempts.
    Sad.
    Well, not much to say.
    It is what it is I guess without saying anything obvious or negative. (Shrug)

  • @wetlettuce69420
    @wetlettuce69420 4 месяца назад

    god meta is boring

  • @johnboyer9176
    @johnboyer9176 4 месяца назад

    Enhance C. Sin S. Fury/Arms can't share a tier. Rest looks solid. Ret edging on S.

  • @jugobetrugo7213
    @jugobetrugo7213 4 месяца назад

    This Tier List is clearly not for every bracket.
    Disc can be A Tier without a problem...

  • @jaded-harper
    @jaded-harper 4 месяца назад

    so glad I quit pvping at begin of df lmao. feels good playing pve and them actually somewhat designing/balancing the game around it =)

  • @koenemad
    @koenemad 4 месяца назад

    Having enhance in the same tier as Destro, Fire, and SP is one of the most cooked things I’ve seen in awhile lmao. Representation on ladder and in tourneys is terrible.

  • @luisaleman3732
    @luisaleman3732 4 месяца назад

    was doing some wsg and had a 4 man grp of boomkins just space laser our team all the way to our graveyard they just farmed us tell they won. dont even get me started on ret pallys

  • @weirdodude1173
    @weirdodude1173 4 месяца назад +1

    #FreeHpal

  • @Vic-qp1gk
    @Vic-qp1gk 4 месяца назад

    So that I'm gathering here is that boomy needs a nerf in something. Or buff the 0 rep specs slightly

  • @derrickhead
    @derrickhead 4 месяца назад

    Na venruki how you not gonna bring up pvp mmr to that pvp dude you did a interview with you let that old man bring it up

  • @iridiumvalkyrie9017
    @iridiumvalkyrie9017 4 месяца назад

    Frost death knight is buried under the snow throughout an entire expansion. Ugh.

  • @FCBcubano
    @FCBcubano 4 месяца назад

    Arcane and frost are nore b teir these day's. And outlaw is more a or b. Enhance and feral can be d

  • @stockraz1246
    @stockraz1246 4 месяца назад +1

    Wooot hpal baby! Let’s goo

  • @shani9andri11
    @shani9andri11 4 месяца назад +14

    4 ads on a 15 minute video, unsubbed

    • @maagi1
      @maagi1 4 месяца назад

      You are the one who chooses to watch ads lol

    • @shani9andri11
      @shani9andri11 4 месяца назад +1

      @@maagi1 give me the name of the working youtube ad blocker then i cant find one

    • @johanwinnem7532
      @johanwinnem7532 4 месяца назад +4

      Venruki dont add adds😂

    • @maagi1
      @maagi1 4 месяца назад

      @@shani9andri11 ublock origin has always worked for me

    • @RMayhew
      @RMayhew 3 месяца назад +2

      Hardly his fault. That's Google adding the ads if you don't like it get premium or a ad blocker

  • @Huckle_Billy
    @Huckle_Billy 4 месяца назад

    Idk bro, all you got to do is sit the boomy and he has to stay in bear doing no dps the entire game

  • @KapitanObvious
    @KapitanObvious 4 месяца назад +2

    Compare to warlock boomkins come way too far.
    They have better mobility, better dps(in most cases), easier to blast, better defences.
    By pressing 2 buttons everyone in dots. No need to manage dots to be aware of loosing dps(AGONY)
    Not sure how about in US in EU noone will give you cast spells as affli lock...
    you will gain cc chain non stop.
    I think warlock need to have agony without stacks
    Blizz need to something with spread dots.(why not ability that will use shard) \\ so shard + curruption = dots everywhre shard + agony dots everywhere. And IMAGINE that is still less broken that balance druid dots....

  • @pegmeasap7433
    @pegmeasap7433 4 месяца назад

    This exact low effort garbage video has been made how many times? We get it bud, DH good feral bad. Wah wah wah.

    • @maagi1
      @maagi1 4 месяца назад

      He placed feral in A tier tho

  • @diorbifocals1039
    @diorbifocals1039 4 месяца назад

    Why buff fury and not arms that is so troll lmao

  • @starcraft2zone
    @starcraft2zone 4 месяца назад

    Warr mage is a “good comp” when the mage is an ex blizzcon champion. When average players play that comp it’s nothing scary.

    • @maagi1
      @maagi1 4 месяца назад

      Nothing is scary if bad players are playing.

  • @Paul-zh2jp
    @Paul-zh2jp 4 месяца назад

    seeing so much of the meta come down to cc is annoying. i think all cc should dr each other and classes be tuned around that. the setup specs can still cross cc, but no one should lose control of their character / be silenced / slowed for more than 10 total seconds. overwatch has a similar issue and needs cc dr. blizzard designers are just obsessed with allowing players to make another player's experience miserable

    • @Unforgivelawl
      @Unforgivelawl 4 месяца назад +1

      that change would be the death of pvp and would turn pvp into even more pve than its already is. We neet to get back to longer cc that is hardcasted (sheeps, fears etc., clone can stay how it is) . Or just remove all/most micro cc and let casted cc how it is now

  • @know_Name
    @know_Name 4 месяца назад

    arms warrior... i hate my life

  • @jessehendrix5050
    @jessehendrix5050 4 месяца назад +3

    But where is Aug evoker ?

    • @StrobeFireStudios
      @StrobeFireStudios 4 месяца назад +2

      dead spec. no one plays it. has no identity. sadge. i thought it would be a really cool spec when it got released. zero identity means zero play

    • @Altruistic-General
      @Altruistic-General 4 месяца назад

      @@StrobeFireStudios similar problem to Frost vs unholy DK. Devastation is super simple and the numbers are too strong right now. Augmentation is a neat concept, but wow has had plenty of “support specs” (see shaman, Pali since tbc). Aug is a one trick pony with ebon might. It should have been a melee or another tank.

  • @KapitanObvious
    @KapitanObvious 4 месяца назад

    I have better times as Ele shaman that affli lock. Weird times :D

    • @Altruistic-General
      @Altruistic-General 4 месяца назад

      Fewer ele playing now, it’s not as popular as it was in s1/s2. Kinda sucks because I struggle to close games out solo without ascendance procs. I preferred the stormkeeper setup s1/s2 build because you had kill power once every minute :/

  • @Slammy555
    @Slammy555 4 месяца назад

    Shouldn't the average be C?

  • @kadov3579
    @kadov3579 4 месяца назад +2

    I'm a surv main, surv is def better than mm and bm at 2200 just because my damage is instant and does really good DMG, I only get beat out by DH and sometimes ret and my cc is really good, I can set up goes on my own with scatter trap stun. I can shut down casters and kite melee pretty easy, i think for some people it's a skill issue tbh.

    • @wideout7838
      @wideout7838 4 месяца назад +1

      Surv isnt better than MM by virtue of absolutely flopping to the majority of the good and great classes especially melees. All the other Hunter specs do everything you said too but much safer and output their damage from range while kiting and MMs damage is just as good

    • @maagi1
      @maagi1 4 месяца назад

      Every hunter spec has scatter, trap and stun. MM and BM have better kick than survi.

  • @gianttvcontroller
    @gianttvcontroller 4 месяца назад

    Feral is definitely B tier

  • @rage_abyss-_-795
    @rage_abyss-_-795 3 месяца назад

    outlaw strong?

  • @meattwinkie6208
    @meattwinkie6208 4 месяца назад +2

    Affliction got nerfed not buff

  • @Primal_Echo
    @Primal_Echo 4 месяца назад

    Frost DK is not memey lmao
    It was played as the 4th best spec in AWC. Ur crazy.

    • @maagi1
      @maagi1 4 месяца назад

      People trolling in AWC means nothing and I'm pretty sure I didn't see frost dk in finals lol

    • @Primal_Echo
      @Primal_Echo 4 месяца назад

      @@maagi1 no, but it was the 4th most played spec inside of the overall tournament... The finals were DH/Ret/Rsham v DH/Boomy/Rsham.

    • @maagi1
      @maagi1 4 месяца назад

      @@Primal_Echo I meant like whole final saturday/sunday. If you are talking about NA, then frost was tied with unholy, devoker and MM. And was under balance, arcane, SP, DH and outlaw. If you count EU I'm pretty sure it would be even lower.

  • @BeastMastery
    @BeastMastery 4 месяца назад

    Queue simulator

  • @joeydes9666
    @joeydes9666 4 месяца назад

    I personally would put frost dk higher. Hella good rn

  • @lilhurricanehowell8908
    @lilhurricanehowell8908 4 месяца назад

    Hi first comment

  • @im36degrees
    @im36degrees 4 месяца назад

    so everything is good now?

  • @truth4727
    @truth4727 4 месяца назад

    Pres evoker should be dropped down to A tier since boomy counters it and everyone is playing boomy. Shaman and Holy Priest are S tier

    • @nathanieljohnson5908
      @nathanieljohnson5908 4 месяца назад

      I've never had any issues against boomy on my pres evoker

    • @truth4727
      @truth4727 4 месяца назад

      @@nathanieljohnson5908 the root beam is a counter.

    • @nathanieljohnson5908
      @nathanieljohnson5908 4 месяца назад

      @truth4727 obsidian scales makes you immune to interrupt effects and you could always trinket the root

    • @truth4727
      @truth4727 4 месяца назад

      @@nathanieljohnson5908 yup but it still cost a global to dispel yourself then save or fly heal. And we all know what can happen in a global just ask The Move

    • @nathanieljohnson5908
      @nathanieljohnson5908 4 месяца назад

      @@truth4727 true

  • @Odinson69
    @Odinson69 4 месяца назад +1

    Evoker and Holy priest are best at handling all the CC and recovering, and Disc Priest is best all around healer.

  • @willbarry77
    @willbarry77 4 месяца назад +1

    yo ven, can you make another video talking about how rewards for healers need to be better? I'm 42-14, 75% win rate in solo shuffle, have 3-0'd lobbies and other healer leaves and I haven't even broken 1800, at 1719. Feel like blizzard is gatekeeping healers to get them to play more. Last lobby I went 5-1 and gained 30 rating, 1 dps got +33 for 4-2 and another got +70 rating for 4-2. Why am i getting less rating for performing the best in lobby?
    Edit: when i perform similarly on a dps i would be well beyond 1800. I keep bringing up the 1800 mark because I am a casual player now and aim for ~1800 rating for elite sets that I like.

    • @josearaya1255
      @josearaya1255 4 месяца назад

      mmr system is broken AF .. I feel you .. if you win 4-2 you gain +6 raiting .. if you lose 2-4 you lose +30 raiting it’s just ridiculous as healer .. I’m just queue in order to farm conquest and gear my other classes (nothing else to look for in SS) just a bad system that is not worth thinking 💭 about it 👍

    • @shaneprince6572
      @shaneprince6572 4 месяца назад +1

      you need to keep winning so your MMR is higher than your CR. I went 4-2 at 2388 and got 0 points yesterday. Had to 5-1 to hit elite. Just keep quing dude.

  • @MrZeuz666
    @MrZeuz666 4 месяца назад +1

    Rogue is always the problem. Now joined by Boomkin, I mean cyclone. Feel bad for every caster

    • @dlaz90
      @dlaz90 4 месяца назад +1

      How is it the problem? Because the top 8 had it most represented? All rogue specs have been nerfed

    • @MrZeuz666
      @MrZeuz666 4 месяца назад +1

      @@dlaz90 Rogue has been the problem since 2004

    • @dlaz90
      @dlaz90 4 месяца назад

      @@MrZeuz666 oh you're one of those

    • @MrZeuz666
      @MrZeuz666 4 месяца назад +1

      @@dlaz90 Brainiacs yep

    • @13samfootball
      @13samfootball 4 месяца назад

      L take 'bud'

  • @Acaran
    @Acaran 4 месяца назад

    Tierlists should roughly follow a normal distribution. You could even make an S+ tier, put DH Boomie in it. S tier is Holy Priest Pres Evoker, Outlaw, Arcane. Divide DPS in a into A and B. Move DPS in B and C tier one tier down. Now you have a tierlist.

  • @KapitanObvious
    @KapitanObvious 4 месяца назад

    so blizza could fix issues with root beam :D DR-CD for one on one abilities. Or nerf beam to dispell all roots. But lets say increase range.(circle)
    As far as I know Blizz against policy where player cant do anything.
    So if there is no counterplay that = OP and should be fixed

  • @synthesis9957
    @synthesis9957 4 месяца назад

    The ruksteerrrr the rukkikiiiiii the vennnn misterrrrr the uki ven vennnnn

  • @igorzamorski4328
    @igorzamorski4328 4 месяца назад

    How unholy is b tier if mes rank one on 3v3 and participated on awc?
    Ret cant do anything on higher rating

    • @wideout7838
      @wideout7838 4 месяца назад

      U being up awc as if ret wasn’t in awc finals in NA and it won in EU lol

    • @maagi1
      @maagi1 4 месяца назад

      Unholy isn't in b tier tho

  • @dabiun7443
    @dabiun7443 4 месяца назад

    LOL FIRE MAGE B TIER AHAHAHHA MAN THIS DUDE DEOSNT KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY? i am main mage 3.2k xp rank 1 , and im 100% sure that fire mage is at least A+

    • @maagi1
      @maagi1 4 месяца назад

      sure you are

    • @dabiun7443
      @dabiun7443 4 месяца назад

      @@maagi1 ya don't cry about it 🥰

  • @sampur2
    @sampur2 4 месяца назад +1

    lol how is outlaw s-tier you mean assasin

    • @dlaz90
      @dlaz90 4 месяца назад +1

      They both just got nerfed, and they hit like wet noodles lmao

    • @lukabozic5
      @lukabozic5 4 месяца назад +1

      Outlaw hits like my guardian druid this patch

  • @Tuberoth
    @Tuberoth 4 месяца назад

    tierlist but more than 50% is in A and S. lmao

  • @karlbeinhauer83
    @karlbeinhauer83 4 месяца назад

    Ww and ret s tier