Yeah it has crazy potential. Which is what i think hes going off with this pick. Im at 2600 rating and i barely see any of them but when i do they oneshot people very quickly.
Maybe its just me in EU but I feel like as ele sham I dont get trained all that much, 99% of your damage is instant cast so they dont stop anything by training you, you just drag them behind a pillar, thunderstorm+static+cap and can easily punish over extended melees out of LoS from their healer. Your passive tankiness from high armor, earth shield etc and the fact you rarely ever need to cast make you a not very appealing target in most cases though depends what your team mate is. As long as you play with a team mate thats an even better target than you, or any caster that you cant allow to just free cast your golden.
@@MrZozotier oh I'm way lower than that lol only came back a few weeks ago and don't get much time to play, just copied the 3s build thr top players on Murlock in were using, between normal procs, haste from PW splintered elements and windbreaker lava resurgence giving lava surge after every earth shock to fill in gaps between natural procs you have solid consistent damage without ever hard casting. Only hard casts are hex and ice fury rly
Assa is op if you’re not playing any of its hard counters but it’s likely that you are… dark iron dwarf/dwarf/dragons/any rets can rip off all your dots, especially dragons make it so you can’t use deathmark
Here is the thing though, as a healer the difference between B and A means that you can pretty much never get higher than 3-3 in SS. I play MW Monk and so many games I get put up against priest or evoker healers then I just know its gonna be a 3-3 best case scenario. And that is if I outplay them... I play in 1900s rating atm and it is brutal to try and out heal the meta healers. It feels like swimming against the current.
The dude don't know what he's talking about sometimes on these tier lists enhancement/ feral is b tier they are the easiest thing to kill in the game right now but do good dmg
I've only played retribution nearly constantly since the end of BFA but I don't know how the hell it's not C tier. Maybe it is just C tier with me at the helm. As soon as I use BoP or Bubble it is removed early and with the only two defensives not blocked by Forbearance active I just flop. I can try to do burst, get cced, clear it, try to burst, get CCed immediately, by then I'm half health and CCed so I use a strong defensive and just die in the next few seconds whether bubble or BoP is removed early or not. With BiS gear and a 3 second TTK I can't get much done before I'm dead. I'm usually the kill target so Blessing of Spellwarding won't save me while I die during fear, Blessing of Sacrificing my teammates won't save me because I'm the kill target. If I cleanse my healers CC with Sanctuary, they just get cc locked again. I can't justify all of the Retribution nerfs that came through.
Except ret on beta right now might actually be the worst spec in the game at the moment. Obviously beta means nothing but just be prepared for another BFA type of expansion where ret is mid
have to agree on this expansion being most balanced ever. i have every class, played every spec. 1800 on all toons season 4 and 2100 on resto shaman. im no glad or r1, but i know my fair share of game.
would swap resto druid and shamans. resto druids get owned by long games and tools a bit lacking. resto shaman build mastery, with all the tool kit (if you can handle the bloat) is so much more superior. you underestimate resto shamans by a ton.
on rogues topic. rogues overall not having a great season. i donno what blizzard did with them, but it's nearly impossible to crank out any damage as rogue, meanwhile they are squishy as they should be. no matter which spec you play, your sustain damage is very, very mediocre. you never see numbers close to mage, dh, ret pal, like never, and rogues are supposedly killers. their entire game play revolves around making a good set up and cc. now to the good set up thing. rogue set ups come around about once every 2 minutes. so in solo shuffle in 1 round you can make a move 2 times a game, if you fail on 2nd move, and did not secure a kill, your team will lose 90% of the time, unless you're carried by some super damage dealing dps. i barely got to 1800 on assassin rogue. no mater what i did, i could never crank out any reasonable damage. all rogues i've encountered this season lost nearly all games. there would be one rogue, once in a blue moon, who would carry entire lobby and generally execute the set up with extreme precision every round. so unless you can do that, as a rogue, you're wasted slot on a team. again, in SS you have 2 shots to win a round, if you fk up, it's 90% a loss. all the other time outside of set ups, you just run around, doing pretty much nothing, throwing cc here and there. in reality might not even dps cause, that dps barely adds to anything.
@@maagi1 exactly why i disagree. because it does not portray reality for 90% of player base. the list should take into consideration 51% of player base to be true. if 90% cant play rogue , rogue cant be S tier simply because pikaboo and 2 others can do it. like i agree with ret placement, because 51% if not more can do well with the spec. meanwhile enhancement shaman should be some where in D, because only 2% can play it.
i play rd 1950 , is good actualy but not s tier for me evo is for sure the best , clause follow by sham , i want to put rd in a tier with priest maybe priest better than rd
Ret is A tier Flash of light 70k Word of Glory holy spender/mana 80k, all other hybrids got buffs to healing, most non hybrids heal/shield more Two major defensives can be dispelled, broken or stolen “Freedom” dispelled or stolen leading to permanent snares regardless of range not being able to move makes it hard to LoS damage. Outdated mechanic with forbearance Gutted PvP talents Melee that requires half their cc if chosen to be casted A tier is where they belong because during the first two minutes of a game if they aren’t the main kill target they can carry a lobby but if they are the KT they fall off a bit in the first two minutes with a steep drop off after that. Side note playing ret last night against dk frost mage assa rogue I was the KT 4 rounds with two of those having the assa rogue on my team. One match I couldn’t make it around the corner with the spam of snares grips etc
@@chrisofblades5167 i rarely even get matched against a rogue in solo but when I do its assassin 4 real. Even in raids or open BGs rogue seem to not be played at least now in season 4
@@chrisofblades5167 If there are no other specs available then you get matched with same spec sometimes, and if you play meta, then ofc that will be the case. Sub and outlaw rogue are more rare, so you should get faster que and not match with same spec.
Im not a good player but Resto Shaman surprised me a little Feels like they are fighting with holy pala who has the lowest output, but resto shaman makes up for it with all the utility and disruption. But that's hard for not so good players to do, at 2k rating in SS it definitely feels a lot weaker than Disci
i hate that so many people play ret now because it sugar coats our problems because its popular now i remember back in burning crusade and wrath and stuff nobody respected us especially in pve
Agree with all of it, except Enhance is utterly trash. It's such a confused spec. It's caught in the middle of being a damage dealer and a support class and excels at neither of those roles. It's also got way too many buttons that ultimately do nothing.
One of the most balanced.... false.... there are 4 rogues in the top 10 on the 3v3 us leader board 40% of the top 10 are rogue and only 1 caster.... and its a ill give you one guess what class it is... mage obviously......... season 1 they tried to give me a 40% buff to my base spells as an aff lock with the tier set while others like monk got 5% buffs with tier..... wow balance is soo unbelievably bad..... i was going to watch but then one min in you start lieing sooo im out gl...... like we all just say the IZN video on shamans defense vs mage defense....
@@apierson244 wish I could send pics on here. 2340 right now. But that's not the point. The point is that it's people like you who are the hard stuck 1800s who blame DH for "being OP" when really it's just your lack of skill and ability to admit that you suck.
@@Primal_Echo DH still has one of the highest damage, with every type of cc, damage immunity, short cd damage redu, cc immunity, dispel for healer, lots of mobility, etc..
Lol a nothing is bad tierlist. Mw is the worst healer in shuffle and 3s. Hpal is about as bad but has more comps. Sad I fall for the usual tierlist clickbait. Damn you youtube.
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Enhance in A- a little wild
Yeah it has crazy potential. Which is what i think hes going off with this pick. Im at 2600 rating and i barely see any of them but when i do they oneshot people very quickly.
I'm new to PvP but the balance has felt super good. Even DH is reasonable after the last nerfs. I think Ret is still a little spicy.
Let ret be spicy they've been mediocre this xpac I'm glad they are letting them shine a bit and I don't even play one
Fdk in f tier sice wrath lol...
@@Memoop-iz6vk lol except for that 2-3 week period in szn 1 where they became the most OP spec possibly of all time
Are you gonna be doing separate tier list or coverage for rated BGB next season?
Bro, my ocd jumped insanely high when you didn’t put brewmaster under the tanks 😂❤
Enh over SV is a bit ridiculous 🤣
we need a tier list for old man wrists (aka fewest buttons)
Dh
Fury
BM
Devastation
FDK
There you go ✅
@@frostgodx thx are there any healers do u think
@@joshr9703prob disc priest easiest/shaman being the hardest with button count
Maybe its just me in EU but I feel like as ele sham I dont get trained all that much, 99% of your damage is instant cast so they dont stop anything by training you, you just drag them behind a pillar, thunderstorm+static+cap and can easily punish over extended melees out of LoS from their healer. Your passive tankiness from high armor, earth shield etc and the fact you rarely ever need to cast make you a not very appealing target in most cases though depends what your team mate is. As long as you play with a team mate thats an even better target than you, or any caster that you cant allow to just free cast your golden.
What is you're rating ? If you are 2300+ give me you're spec plz (link)
@@MrZozotier oh I'm way lower than that lol only came back a few weeks ago and don't get much time to play, just copied the 3s build thr top players on Murlock in were using, between normal procs, haste from PW splintered elements and windbreaker lava resurgence giving lava surge after every earth shock to fill in gaps between natural procs you have solid consistent damage without ever hard casting. Only hard casts are hex and ice fury rly
@@therockontheshelf i see ty alot bud
Assa is op if you’re not playing any of its hard counters but it’s likely that you are… dark iron dwarf/dwarf/dragons/any rets can rip off all your dots, especially dragons make it so you can’t use deathmark
Cross cc
Happy birthday!
Here is the thing though, as a healer the difference between B and A means that you can pretty much never get higher than 3-3 in SS. I play MW Monk and so many games I get put up against priest or evoker healers then I just know its gonna be a 3-3 best case scenario. And that is if I outplay them... I play in 1900s rating atm and it is brutal to try and out heal the meta healers. It feels like swimming against the current.
next up: a tier list for DF tier lists
Oh forsure lol
Him looking at Survival in Ranged was so fcking funny to see
Shadow Play is absolutely CRACKED..............................the rest is fine
lol yea.. I think so too.
and no skill they play triangle 40 yard take 0 risk and spam cc and wait for mana they dont even try to kill they just wait until they win
Bro in which world is enhancement Shaman A tier? Its C tier with frost dk
Id say btier, but yeah not with ww for sure
The dude don't know what he's talking about sometimes on these tier lists enhancement/ feral is b tier they are the easiest thing to kill in the game right now but do good dmg
UDK is the most represented spec in top100 of both solo shuffle (EU and US). Its definitly deserve to be in S tier.
Would lovvveeeee to see you do a 0 to hero challenge on Enhancement. You will drop it a few tiers.
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yo Ven, any new builds for arcane sense reset of beta ?
I've only played retribution nearly constantly since the end of BFA but I don't know how the hell it's not C tier. Maybe it is just C tier with me at the helm. As soon as I use BoP or Bubble it is removed early and with the only two defensives not blocked by Forbearance active I just flop. I can try to do burst, get cced, clear it, try to burst, get CCed immediately, by then I'm half health and CCed so I use a strong defensive and just die in the next few seconds whether bubble or BoP is removed early or not. With BiS gear and a 3 second TTK I can't get much done before I'm dead. I'm usually the kill target so Blessing of Spellwarding won't save me while I die during fear, Blessing of Sacrificing my teammates won't save me because I'm the kill target. If I cleanse my healers CC with Sanctuary, they just get cc locked again. I can't justify all of the Retribution nerfs that came through.
Me as a ret pal and fire mage main for TWW: i see this as an absolute win
Okay sheep
Except ret on beta right now might actually be the worst spec in the game at the moment. Obviously beta means nothing but just be prepared for another BFA type of expansion where ret is mid
ret is mid af its just alot of wanna bees playing it
DH have ruined the entire expansion
Ya was so broken at the start just now getting to not be broken af
have to agree on this expansion being most balanced ever. i have every class, played every spec. 1800 on all toons season 4 and 2100 on resto shaman. im no glad or r1, but i know my fair share of game.
would swap resto druid and shamans. resto druids get owned by long games and tools a bit lacking. resto shaman build mastery, with all the tool kit (if you can handle the bloat) is so much more superior. you underestimate resto shamans by a ton.
on rogues topic. rogues overall not having a great season. i donno what blizzard did with them, but it's nearly impossible to crank out any damage as rogue, meanwhile they are squishy as they should be. no matter which spec you play, your sustain damage is very, very mediocre. you never see numbers close to mage, dh, ret pal, like never, and rogues are supposedly killers. their entire game play revolves around making a good set up and cc. now to the good set up thing. rogue set ups come around about once every 2 minutes. so in solo shuffle in 1 round you can make a move 2 times a game, if you fail on 2nd move, and did not secure a kill, your team will lose 90% of the time, unless you're carried by some super damage dealing dps. i barely got to 1800 on assassin rogue. no mater what i did, i could never crank out any reasonable damage. all rogues i've encountered this season lost nearly all games. there would be one rogue, once in a blue moon, who would carry entire lobby and generally execute the set up with extreme precision every round. so unless you can do that, as a rogue, you're wasted slot on a team. again, in SS you have 2 shots to win a round, if you fk up, it's 90% a loss. all the other time outside of set ups, you just run around, doing pretty much nothing, throwing cc here and there. in reality might not even dps cause, that dps barely adds to anything.
s tier range dps. devastation evoker and moonkin.
2100 is currently super low, so you should agree with ven lmao
@@maagi1 exactly why i disagree. because it does not portray reality for 90% of player base. the list should take into consideration 51% of player base to be true. if 90% cant play rogue , rogue cant be S tier simply because pikaboo and 2 others can do it. like i agree with ret placement, because 51% if not more can do well with the spec. meanwhile enhancement shaman should be some where in D, because only 2% can play it.
I feel like if you have to differentiate between A and A-, then everything in A- is just upper B...
I agree too dragonflight is a well balanced expansion for pvp .
There's like 3 total SPs in r1 range in the world in 3s
I noticed later into the video you missed out in comoaring your evaluation with ladder data and it was only your and the chats opinion
Time for Someone of your caliber to take Tank Solo Shuffle queues to the next level.
i play rd 1950 , is good actualy but not s tier for me evo is for sure the best , clause follow by sham , i want to put rd in a tier with priest maybe priest better than rd
Fury War and Assa Rogue are in same tier is just insane
they arent
Bro lay off the weed your brain is rotting
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I am so over getting the balanced feeling one season out of an expansion
DF has felt very balanced as a whole expansion outside of the op ret rework s1 and dhs early in s4
Ret is A tier
Flash of light 70k
Word of Glory holy spender/mana 80k, all other hybrids got buffs to healing, most non hybrids heal/shield more
Two major defensives can be dispelled, broken or stolen
“Freedom” dispelled or stolen leading to permanent snares regardless of range not being able to move makes it hard to LoS damage.
Outdated mechanic with forbearance
Gutted PvP talents
Melee that requires half their cc if chosen to be casted
A tier is where they belong because during the first two minutes of a game if they aren’t the main kill target they can carry a lobby but if they are the KT they fall off a bit in the first two minutes with a steep drop off after that.
Side note playing ret last night against dk frost mage assa rogue I was the KT 4 rounds with two of those having the assa rogue on my team. One match I couldn’t make it around the corner with the spam of snares grips etc
Ret is s tier
As an outlaw rogue main. I feel like im the only one playing it lol
I feel the same about Sub rogue. I got to 2200 in stupid shuffle and not one sub rogue other than me.
@@chrisofblades5167 It's rare to get same spec you are playing in the same lobby
Nah, I can play whatever is meta and que up with two or three same specs
@@chrisofblades5167 i rarely even get matched against a rogue in solo but when I do its assassin 4 real. Even in raids or open BGs rogue seem to not be played at least now in season 4
@@chrisofblades5167 If there are no other specs available then you get matched with same spec sometimes, and if you play meta, then ofc that will be the case. Sub and outlaw rogue are more rare, so you should get faster que and not match with same spec.
Balanced or not the game is just not fun
*In your opinion, which you are entitled to.
I've been having a blast in df
Love WoW it's been a part of me for 20 years
Very balanced "splay"
Frost DK needs death strike nerfs reverted badly to feel sustainable enough to grind down opponents.
as someone who heals a ret in 3s at 2500 ret is solid C tier
"Solid C" hahhaha
It is a well balanced game ATM. I got every class to at least 1800 for the Tmogs
Which mogs the old r14?
1800 is starting mmr atm lmao
As a brand new arena player (never played before this season), the specs I hate to see across from me are unholy and affliction.
For me i Hate so much warlock
@@fofaodacarretafuracao9963 yes, they feel very strong
Im not a good player but Resto Shaman surprised me a little
Feels like they are fighting with holy pala who has the lowest output, but resto shaman makes up for it with all the utility and disruption.
But that's hard for not so good players to do, at 2k rating in SS it definitely feels a lot weaker than Disci
nah resto shaman has alot of cc, if used correctly and people stay in totem range its very strong.
You used to produce quality content and now you just post bogus tier lists that aren't even accurate lol. Cmon bro.
What isn't accurate in this tier list?
survival is in melee you looking at range. its there on column to the left lol
As a mage I too ALWAYS die to marksmanship hunter.... i hate them😂
No way warrior is same tier as dk or NA is just a diff game in eu on high cr warrior feels like c tier
i hate that so many people play ret now because it sugar coats our problems because its popular now i remember back in burning crusade and wrath and stuff nobody respected us especially in pve
Dev evoker, assassin and marks still broken :(
why is no augmentation listed?
POV: You didn't watch the video and just skipped to the end
BESDIES Tanks game feels more balanced as it has in a long time
Arms is honestly probably a C or D tier spec. Fury is better in every way and I feel like no good warrior is even playing Arms.
saying an assa rogue is very durable is a wild take but ok
Lmao at whoever said all casters are S tier 😂
I love affliction in 2s but not 3s lol
Agree with all of it, except Enhance is utterly trash. It's such a confused spec. It's caught in the middle of being a damage dealer and a support class and excels at neither of those roles. It's also got way too many buttons that ultimately do nothing.
Arms at A tier is diabolical. As a main arms. Fury>Arms atm. Arms should be B. I have almost never lose to an Arms. no matter what comp I play
Cause there's a lot of dogshit arms warriors, arms is a solid spec with high utility that most of the playerbase don't utilise properly
this is why you arent making the tier lists cause Arms is doing better then fury is every single bracket in pvp.
so annoying when pvp dont rank the tanks, what reason is there for that, just makes tank mains not get any info off ur vid
Idk why you say holy priest is a teir lol they die so fast and so easy
There is no balance. 😂😂
Been a feral main since cata lol
The A- section was so stupid hahahaha
BRO PUT FIRE BELOW ARMS XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
One of the most balanced.... false.... there are 4 rogues in the top 10 on the 3v3 us leader board 40% of the top 10 are rogue and only 1 caster.... and its a ill give you one guess what class it is... mage obviously......... season 1 they tried to give me a 40% buff to my base spells as an aff lock with the tier set while others like monk got 5% buffs with tier..... wow balance is soo unbelievably bad..... i was going to watch but then one min in you start lieing sooo im out gl...... like we all just say the IZN video on shamans defense vs mage defense....
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Feral is almost s lol
Its pretty sad how long holy pally has been bad
BM at a B is crazy. BM is one of the main classes I feel that dominate arenas
Really bad flow of the video imo. It’s soo dragged out 😢
It’s from his stream. He’s chatting with his viewers.
Its wow df season 4. What do ppl expect 🤣
Its what we watch for Ven is rifting
TikTok brain
Aug evoker is S++
when you have to keep remaking the same video because your content is garbage and wow pvp is dead, 9-5 is coming soon lil bro
Havoc is definitely not A tier. Its been whined and cried and nerfed into the ground. Everyone blamed havoc dh for their skill gap and its kinda bs.
LOL DH is insane
@@apierson244 ur definitely one of the crybabies that neutered it. 🙄
@Primal_Echo you're probably a hard stuck 1800 DH LOL "I'm bad cause blizzard nerfed my class" LOL
@@apierson244 wish I could send pics on here. 2340 right now. But that's not the point. The point is that it's people like you who are the hard stuck 1800s who blame DH for "being OP" when really it's just your lack of skill and ability to admit that you suck.
@@Primal_Echo DH still has one of the highest damage, with every type of cc, damage immunity, short cd damage redu, cc immunity, dispel for healer, lots of mobility, etc..
BM is so boring
Lol a nothing is bad tierlist. Mw is the worst healer in shuffle and 3s. Hpal is about as bad but has more comps. Sad I fall for the usual tierlist clickbait. Damn you youtube.
i only clicked on this so i could dislike it. Dragonflight is asss
That's very mature of you, kid