Lectric XP dual battery setup
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Run dual battery on Lectric XP 1.0 and 2.0. Run dual battery simultaneously and increase range on a single charge safely. Cannot charge batteries simultaneously. They need to be charged independent. I used 14 guage stranded wire.
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Part 2: Routing wires.
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The Polar Bear blender is also a good option. I am now running it with good results. They also sell one wit two outputs so you can run two controllers if you want to upgrade and run 2 motors.
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Bolton E-bikes parallel connector is out of stock for 3-4 months. I am now running the Electromotive FBC device which I highly recommend. Its Made in USA and works great. It takes Xt60 connectors instead of XT90s. Everything else is just like the videos. Airflow is important on the FBC. Here a link to Electromotive Mods. you'll need the 50Amp dual. I do not get a commission but please tell him I recommended you.
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XT-90 connectors I used. Have to be soldered. LingSY XT90 Connector 5 Pairs Male Female Connector for High-Amp Lipo Battery www.amazon.com/dp/B07PFGBTRX/...
Deans-T plug connectors I used. Have to be soldered.
FLY RC 10 Pairs Deans T Plug Connectors Male and Female with 20pcs Shrink Tubing for RC LiPo Battery www.amazon.com/dp/B07BHCFXJZ/...
If you don't want to solder you can purchase already made adapters and cables for a true plug and play depending on your second battery connector.
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Dual battery parallel connector: boltonebikes.com/products/dua...
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A) You only void warranty if you tell them! B) not like sending a 100 pound Ebike back to California would be freezable for most people anyway! And) the only thing the warranty is truly needed for IS THE BATTERY!
You did a great job on these two videos. You should continue. Thanks.
Great video. Spent the evening soldering and wrapping the wires. Real careful, given your blow up comments! Spent the morning dressing wires and installing the battery.
Not perfect, but pretty good. Installed switches on both batteries, so can go one or the other, or both. Controller and native battery are xt60 male and female so can jumper the whole thing and go native. Haven't tried for distance yet.
Switching batteries, I turn bike off.
You're the best, thanks!
Remember that running your batteries together will increase your range even more vs running then individually. You'll also stress the batteries less because you are using more than twice the amount of cells sharing the power distribution. Your bike will feel totally different also due to the overall reduced voltage sag. It will not give you more speed because that is limited by controller but you will feel the bike stronger going up hills and experience slightly quicker acceleration.
Thanks @@juanescorza2984! Started experimenting. Some inadvertently. Turned the key off at a stop for lunch. Forgot to turn it back on and drove back on new battery.
Did a 17 mile run definitely did not lag toward end, as it used to, at about 9 miles. Monitored amps and controller max at 19 amps. Motoring up hills or accellerating.
My driving is largely accellerating or stopping. I don't like to pass at speed on the trails. That surely uses up battery.
Bike is a lot of fun. About 120 miles in 11 days. Thanks so much for your videos. I will tire out before my batteries do!
Am going to try real distance
@@MrSdmckenna have fun. If you're using a blending device like the Bolton or FBC device you don't ever have to worry about battery charge levels. If you wired it just in parallel without a blending device please be careful. Happy riding!
Thank you 😊. Great information presented very clearly. Might do this some day in the future. Waiting for my XP 2.0 to get processed and shipped. Doing much research. Thanks again. New sub here.
Did you receive your bike yet?
@@chrisgreenley5927 yes I did. I have had it about three weeks already. 82 miles later, and very satisfied with it. I have made a few videos about it. Thanks for asking 🙂. Have a great week.
I have a XP 1.0 and 2.0 and I run two batteries but not at the same time. My wiring is almost the same but I did not add a controller. I operate 1 battery first then I turn on the second battery with a key. My second battery is also mounted on the rack.. I wish I could post a photo of what mine looks like.
Electromotive won't ship an FBC to me because I'm in canada!! What a joke...
Good video by the way..
This is also a good product. This one gives you 1+ miles extra range. Polar bear blender made in California. I believe he does ship to Canada.
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I just spoke to Ibrahim at Polar Bear and he does ship to Canada.
Thanks for the video Juan. I have a lectric xp 2.0, I have 2 stock lectric batteries, bought a spare and now I'm wondering if theres a way to run the 2 stock batteries in parallel. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks man - Josh
What's up Josh. Yes you can use the Lectric spare battery. You have to make a box with connections similar to Sonny Whitehurst ruclips.net/video/hIS3FRVQHXc/видео.html
You can even incorporate the blending device inside the box. If you don't find Electromotive Mods FBC in stock I recommend this device. It works good too. Ibrahim does some quality work. facebook.com/marketplace/item/1009541233241252/
Either device you decide to get please mention I recommended you. I don't get a commission at all. I just like to help small American businesses.
I recommend a battery blending device though. Don't just wire then in parallel without one.
Is it possible to create and adapter which could be used with an iMax B6ac V2 charger for a Lectric XP2 ?
Your video was very helpful, and i just got my extra battery from hailong and that parallel connector. Can you please provide a link from where u got the wiring stuffs if possible?
I just updated the description to include links. Do you have access to a soldering iron? There are connectors available with leads already soldered but also have too thick of a wire in my opinion unless you can find some with 14 or 16 guage wire already installed.
@@juanescorza2984 thanks a lot. I dont have soldering equipment so i was thinking of getting the wirings done in some electric shop if possible. 🙏🏻
@@tseringtashi1017 if you're in US send me an email I can help. dnxservo@gmail.com
Not sure what these devices do but what's the difference than if you just charge both batteries to 100 percent and connect them in parallel with a Y adapter to the controller, isn't that accomplishing the same thing for just a few dollars instead?
Maybe these dual battery adapters have some extra protection tech to keep any voltage difference from damaging batteries, i don't know.
Confused a bit. I have lectric xp 2.0 and the stock lectric battery is rated at 10.4ah and the new battery in this video is 14ah. Running them together would be 24.4ah but it says on the controller that it has current limit of 18a. Wouldn't that damage the controller?
It definitely won't. The parallel battery connector has a 20Amp limit. I've been running mine for over 400 miles without any issues.
@@juanescorza2984 Interesting, thank you.
The shunt in your controller is what limits current, the amp usage, and I think your confusing amp hour capacity with amp limit or amperage draw... 24.5 amp hours of capacity is not the same as amp discharge rate... the BMS in the battery is what controls how much can discharge... a battery with 10 amp hours, that has a discharge rate of 40 amps will not damage your controller because the shunt will only allow XX amount of current through it...
My bike has 40 amp hours with a discharge rate of 120 amps @ 48v, the Rambo Bike Trailer I have carries another 100 amp hours of capacity @ 48v with a maximum discharge rate of 80 amps... but I ride a custom built 2 wheel drive ebike and the trailer has 2 ebike front motors as well.. so my set up is a bit different than most ^^
Endless Sphere Forums have a huge amount of information on ebikes, mods, batteries and a whole lot more.... ebikes.ca has some decent info on it for ebikes too.
Deans wire 12g, silicone wire. less resistance
sorry if i missed this, but do both batteries charge together or do you actually have to hook 2 chargers up?
They have to be charged separately. Two different chargers. However you can have one with full charge and one partly charged and no issues. The battery blender will stabilize them.
@@juanescorza2984 nice one, thanks for the tips/videos, going to make my commute even more breezy than it already is
@@cameronbruce4459 I love the upgrade. I wish Lectric would offer at a very minimum a 14Ah battery. Adding this 14Ah battery plus my stock 10Ah battery I'm averaging 40+ miles per charge on PAS-3 and some PAS-4. Sometimes up to 50 miles on PAS-3 only and riding conservative. I also noticed slight increase on takeoff and torque. I use my bike to commute to and from my shop and running errands. I love it more now.
You can run another "Y" connection to charge bother together
@@webchez69 I had a Y connection at first. But I would sometimes forget about my stock battery key being in and "ON" position half way down my trip. I couldn't just flip the key to"ON" position due to batteries not being balanced on state of charge. I could potentially damage one or both batteries. I would have to wait until I could charge and balance the batteries back up. This is total piece of mind for me.
Brilliant! Great simple explanation. Total cost looks like under $100. USD. Question…will the bike run off one battery while you’re charging the other? Thanks again. 👍💫⚡️✨
The most expensive part is the battery which can run $250.00+. Other than that it's around $100.00 with the Bolton Ebikes parallel connector and connectors This setup runs both batteries simultaneously so they drain simultaneously. I sometimes remove my second battery to use my rack and I do charge it while I'm out riding.
Deans 12g silicone wire... about the best you can get... not for bikes with regen kinda sucks
Lastly: you show us how it's wired yes. That'sthe least of the issue with this Ebike! The biggest question is HOW YOU FIT AND ROUTE THAT BIG HEATSYNK AND EXTRA WIRE ALONG WITH CONTROLLER?
We’re would u put the battery and two this what I was looking for and three how long will the ride last for
I'm testing the range now with my 14Ah +10Ah . I mounted my battery in the rear rack. I've seen someone mount it in the cross beam which I was going to do but didn't think it had enough clearance for stock battery to slide in and out.
ruclips.net/video/TJGw8lKnpQg/видео.html
I haven't had the chance to do a true range test yet but with my riding style at PAS-3, 18 mph average, mostly flat with 2 hills and lots of pedaling I was going 15-17 on a single charge. I am now going 45+ miles and still have 48V left after batteries stabilize. Very happy with the set up.
what gauge of wire did you use for the harness?
I used 14 guage but you can use 16 guage.
Deans 12g wire... mostly used in Remote control cars etc.... but it's the best you can IMO... anti spark XT90 connectors I highly recommend too
where did u mount the battery balancer?
I have it mounted to the rear rack. It can be mounted where the bike lock mounts. I tried putting inside the controller compartment but it would not fit. I have now upgraded to Electromotive Mods FBC and this particular one need airflow so beat to have it exposes to airflow.
How does the Second battery charge
They will charge independent with their own charger. There is a blender called the Date-X that has a charging option to charge both batteries but be aware that it will take twice as long.
Where can I get all that
Hello... I'm about to do all the ordering to run dual batteries. I'm currently getting 14 miles with pas5 and throttle. What would be a good battery to get 30 miles total? Under 750$ thanks
48v CAO MM 20Ah from eBay is a popular one. You'll have to carry it inside a bag on the rear rack. www.ebay.com/itm/224234158431?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=IZChHuRfQ0y&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=eeqvE2d2T7O&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
This is also a good battery. Joyisi 36V 48V 52V Ebike Battery 10Ah/13Ah/15Ah/19Ah Ebike Lithium Battery for 250W 500W 750W 1000W 1500W Electric Bicycles Motor and Bike Motor Conversion Kit a.co/d/bRfzRi7 You can mount it on top of the stock battery. It's 48v 19 Ah here is a link on how I mounted this type of battery on my bike. facebook.com/groups/3281545675504521/permalink/3283599485299140/
If you don't find Electromotive Mods FBC in stock. This is also a great battery blender facebook.com/marketplace/item/1009541233241252/ Whichever blender you go with FBC or Ibrahim's please let them know I recommended you. I don't get a commission just trying to help a small business. They are both made in USA.
Thank you! I appreciate you for sure! I'll be emailing to get some wires done, if you still make them. Im gonna go check out all the links. Thanks again
Question Juan, is a Blackbird spare battery 52v/16ah okay to use as a second battery?
Can I used a 48 volts 20 Amp battery?
Yes!!
@@juanescorza2984 thanks man I'm gonna do it I need more range
Can both batteries, as wired be charge together same time ?
Only with the DateX-2 blender with charging option. I do not know of any other battery blender that offers that option.
They have to be charged separately.
Can internal XP 2.0 be wired in parallel with 48volt 20amp external battery pack, and not have to "switch" between them? if not.. can u provide a link to the shunt part, if needed ... thank u
@@frankcervi611 yes you can. I do recommend a battery discharge balancer to avoid any potential damage to your batteries. DO NOT just wire then in parallel without a discharge balancer.
@@frankcervi611 using a battery discharge balancer like I did in the video you always leave them plugged in and you can have different state of charge. The discharge balancer takes care of balancing then. No need for isolation switches or anything. Just set it and forget it.
Hola Juan. Muy interesante to video.... felicidades! como te puedo contactar? tengo 2 lectrics ST 2 y quiero insalar las baterias como lo hiciste tu
En la descripción de el vídeo vas a ver un link de "Servo motor Repair" me puedes marcar a ese número.
facebook.com/juan.escorza.564 o mándame mensaje en FB si tienes.
Buen día Pablo. Nunca me contacto. dnxservo@gmail.com
batteries hard to find so just buy from lectric?
none on ebay
im about to watch this video but i doubt i would be able to do this
maybe someone local can hel me
You can use any battery really. Some people use CAO MM 48v 20Ah. Look up Sonny Whitehurst here on RUclips.
@@juanescorza2984 ty:)
@@ecoman351
This is a high quality battery. bafangusadirect.com/products/48v-20-3-ah-whale-shark-ebike-battery?variant=40375515709639&fbclid=IwAR1C_t5yV-fkFAv6_s5sQwj_fMYFiEhfrFcmEGuI4cdP_3pNwwCFAwEcxGg
This is a link to the CAO MM for a better price. This is the one Sonny Whitehurst runs on his setup. Don't know about life expectancy.
www.ebay.com/itm/Cao-MM-36V-48V-Lithium-Battery-Pack-Electric-Bicycle-e-bike-Conversion-Kit-Motor-/185207771845?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
@@ecoman351 I can help you make the wiring harnesses once you find your battery of choice.
@@juanescorza2984 OK ty much
How much total cost for parts?
$59.99 for parallel battery blender. $10-$15 for connectors. And wiring no more than $5. Battery is the highest cost. Sonny Whitehurst here on RUclips recommends the CAO MM 20Ah battery. Which is a little over $300.00on eBay. Using the CAO MM battery you have to swap out the connector to Deans T plug or when you make that harness use a connector that will fit the CAO MM connector. All connectors I purchased in Amazon. Or even eBay has them.
Seems like way too much wire to fit in the frame?
It fits just fine with room to spare.
You dont need to buy that for 60. You can buy a XP60 and run them parallel
I've never heard of an XP60. Is that a cheaper blending/balancing device? You can just run them in parallel using Deans-T plug. That's how I ran mine at first but got tired of not having my stock key "ON" and riding. Then having to unplug everything to charge batteries independently to balanced then back up, plug everything back up and all that nonsense. Installing the $60.00 battery blender is total peace of mind now. One battery can be at 20% and the other at 100% and no problem once the battery blender is installed. I've blown up individual 18650 cells working on RC cars and can just imagine ruining $300-$400 worth of cells. Not worth it for a $60.00 part.
@@juanescorza2984 I meant XT60 double wire. I use 2 52v working parallel with each other just with that wire alone connected to the controller and the main battery to the xt60 then get a male connecter for second battery. XT60 come in 2 packs on Amazon's site. Un solder the connector
then with second battery solder that connector to the battery wires. Then plug it in the female connector. Then you should be good to go. This cost me $20 in total to do. Stop listening to youtube vids that sell products specially guys that own their own line of bikes.
Sparks bikes does the same thing calls it the battery scrambler. All he does is hide the wire in a box and people pay 100. It's a gimmick. Watch vids with people that know how to build batteries etc or mods. Stay away from the gimmick guys that want to take your money
@@josep6600 nice. What type of ebike do you have? I'm about to add a 52V+48V battery to my Lectric. I will need the Date-X for that upgrade.
@@juanescorza2984 I have to show you because it's one of a kind build but I'm still modifying more in late spring getting a bigger controller and 2000w motor
@@josep6600 Sweet. 2000W is very good.
If I add a battery to my 2.0 I'll install an AB switch. I don't trust a control circuit.
The blending devices are protected internally and will fail before any damage is caused to any electrical components. Using a blending device is the only failsafe way and leaves no room for human error when running multiple batteries. A/B switch works but you have to keep up with your ignition key being in the ON/OFF position before you toggle the switch. If you happen to not keep track of it you can damage your batteries or electrical components. Why take the chance to damage $300-$600 worth of batteries. Batteries are the most expensive item in your bike.
There's also advantages in running batteries simultaneously vs running them individually. Less stress on cells extending battery packs overall life cycle. Power distribution is shared by almost three times more cells vs stock battery. Less voltage sag. Your bike will have more available power and it will feel like a different bike. Quicker acceleration and will struggle less on hills. I have almost 2k miles in my bike running Electromotive Mods FBC and runs awesome. I never have the worry in the back of my mind to keep up with ignition key or battery voltages. Just set it, forget it and enjoy. One less thing cluttering my mind. Happy riding.
Why compromise your batteries or electrical components because you didn't do it right and spent $60-$90 more depending on which device you use. I don't trust the Amazon or eBay devices. Always go with products from reputable manufactures. Date-DX, Bolton ebikes or Electromotive Mods are great proven products with good warranty.
@@juanescorza2984 Very true. I have a FBC HE-3X and it is the best purchase I've ever made for my bike. Now I can do long range deliveries without having to worry about battery life. And the best part is I can write it off on my tax. My only problem is that my display doesn't show the right percentage for both my batteries. Not a FBC problem but a bike manufacturer problem. Other than that, best 100 dollars ever spent in 2023.
Why would you want to use two batteries at the same time instead just get a isolator switch that if you go on a short trip you only have to charge one battery
My stock battery has 39 cells. I added a 14Ah battery which has 65 cells. The available power to the motor is now being distributed by 104 cells. This decreases voltage sag by a lot. The bike accelerates quicker, it struggles less on hills and feels more powerful all the way around. It also stresses the cells less increasing overall battery life expectancy and also increases overall range vs running your batteries individually.
It also leaves no room for error running a blending device. If somehow you happen to loose track of your isolator switch and battery ignition position and happen to make a connection between both unbalanced batteries you could potentially damage your batteries and even cause thermal runaway which is an explosion or fire. This is the safest way to run two batteries.
@@juanescorza2984 I'm in no rush I crashed my last bike 20 mph is plenty fast enough 🤕
@@gumballbreath9818 It does not make your bike faster. The speed is limited by controller. The bike does accelerate quicker but will stop assisting at programmed speed. You'll just feel your bike different with the added available power from all the extra cells. When you're a leisure rider these factors might not matter but when you're a commuter like myself they come in quite handy. It's safer on city roads keeping up with traffic than have some inpatient careless driver try to pass you and run you over.
@@gumballbreath9818 I've had my bike at 38.7 mph on a 20% incline going downhill. I have to admit it wasn't the safest thing I've done. Lol
Can you set one up for me .
What battery will you be using and where will you mount it?
@@juanescorza2984 I have two batteries bought with bike two years ago
I would put it on the back rack off my bike so to be above the rear tire
I would not be adverse to looking into a 20 amp battery to put on the back rack above the tire to give me even more distance and if you would do that for me I would just go but you get the battery so you know what you got and pay you for all of it directly
@@brianwoods2430 look up Sonny Whitehurst here on RUclips. He uses a 20Ah CAO MM battery which he recommends. However he uses them with on/off switch and uses them independently. Using the parallel connector I used uses both batteries at the same time safely extending your range even more. Let me know if that's the battery you'd use.
You DO NOT need that connection box. You only need to make a "Y" connector with the wires.
You don't in reality. But if for some reason you forget to turn the key on and run one battery, then remember about the key and turn it on which has happened to me you can just flip the key back on and no problem. You can't just flip the key back on with one battery being half way charged and the other one being at full charge. You can potentially damage one or both batteries. Not many people can keep up with state of charge on batteries. This is total peace of mind that that will never happen.
That box makes it possible to use varying batteries. Yes you can just run batteries in parallel, but that doesn't balance different batteries...I have 3 batteries. Stock battery, 10 ah 48 v, and a 48v 30ah. I can connect them in any configuration without any concerns of damaging the cells in the other batteries or damaging the controller with too much output. I also have solar power system with 48v battery. With that "connection box" the batteries on my camper and the batteries on my bike are eqsily inrerchangable...just plug and play.
Shows how to plug it in but doesn’t explain it lol
If you didn’t understand the process with this video I strongly suggest you do not attempt adding dual batteries yourself. Have someone with the very basic knowledge on DC voltage wiring do the work for you.