How did Finnick's original reaping happen?

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @StoryDiver
    @StoryDiver  4 года назад +103

    Hi friends! A quick reminder not to post spoilers for "The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes". The book isn't out in many countries yet, and won't be for another few weeks, so it's incredibly inconsiderate.
    Also, many of you have been asking when I'll make videos about it. I won't be making videos about it until the movie adaptation is released, as this firstly gives everyone time to buy and read the book, and secondly will allow us to use the secondary canon that is a movie to base ideas off of. Thank you and happy bubbles!

    • @LilyLotus6142
      @LilyLotus6142 4 года назад +7

      Now I definitely have to buy and read that book!
      I've been watching your videos for just a few days, and I keep finding more and more content on the Hunger Games, which I absolutely loved reading when I was about 13 (I read all three of them before the first film was released in DVD, having had a previous experience with the adaptation of Percy Jackson). My memory makes it almost impossible for me to forget a plot, so I usually don't find the need to re-read or re-watch something. There are a few exceptions when I just decided to re-read a book because it made a strong impression, or re-watch a series because the second season will be released soon (like the Umbrella Academy for example).
      I've been rewatching the films these past few days and don't find them as bad as people say, or as I found them back then (mostly due to popular opinion, I think), although the books are still way better due to the amount of details in them. I found the second film too short despite it being the longest (not enough time spend in the arena in my opinion, plus the idea of the arena being laid out as a clock was amazing and I was looking forward to seeing more being done with it).
      Anyway, your videos explain a lot of details, or at least theorize about them, and are very interesting to watch. Because of my studies, and because of a few other youtubers, I've been analysing, though involuntarily for the most part, plot details of films I watch and books I read, so I always find it interesting to listen to someone else analyse details some may have missed, or unexplained plot points, and try to answer questions left by the end of a book or a film.

  • @patfuss8998
    @patfuss8998 4 года назад +1470

    Had Cato won the hunger games i wonder if he would’ve turned out like Finnick. They’re both very similar in the way the capitol favored them

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +88

      It's possible!

    • @animejerk05
      @animejerk05 4 года назад +80

      Doubt it in the deleted scenes Cato said In his interviews that anyone who doesn’t support the hunger games is unintelligent this shocked even a Capitol loyalist like Cesar

    • @desteryouo3490
      @desteryouo3490 4 года назад +78

      @@animejerk05 A person can change a lot after experiencing the hunger games, and seeing what its actually like.

    • @abbigaillupe3374
      @abbigaillupe3374 4 года назад +65

      Mr. Luigi in the end of the games i think cato realizes hes just a pawn in the games too. i think he may have changed

    • @wanyekest6969
      @wanyekest6969 Год назад +6

      Doubt it, as Finnick had the allure of winning at 14 - youngest in history: “Golden Boy”

  • @Ad-qt8lx
    @Ad-qt8lx 4 года назад +938

    Imagine being reaped and your the only possible mentors r a 14 year old, and a old lady

    • @exquisitetbeauty6736
      @exquisitetbeauty6736 4 года назад +45

      @Josephine Lemmens Incorrect in a way. Haymitch's mentor had died soon after Haymitch won.Again District 12 has only had four wins so Haymitch's Mentors Mentor died right after Haymitch's mentor won.

    • @flamez6898
      @flamez6898 4 года назад +53

      @@exquisitetbeauty6736 From what we know, Haymich never had a mentor - as it is most likely that the first victor from District 12 died soon after they won. Yes, there were only four victors, the first victor who is long dead by the first book, Haymitch, Katniss, and Peeta. This will make more sense if you have read The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, just didn't want to give any spoilers.

    • @KingTraceShinyHunts
      @KingTraceShinyHunts 4 года назад +13

      Exquisite T Beauty The only victor from District 12 before Haymitch disappeared after her games

    • @hidrat4355
      @hidrat4355 4 года назад +6

      I agree but there are very likely to more mentors district 4 is a career district

    • @RedditDrama455
      @RedditDrama455 4 года назад +2

      15 i think you mean

  • @bree6925
    @bree6925 4 года назад +338

    Katniss: “What’s with her teeth?”
    Haymitch: *casually* “She had them filed into points so she could rip people’s throats out.”

  • @wini2051
    @wini2051 4 года назад +494

    Imagine training for 18 years for the hunger games then a god damn 14 year old takes your place and wins
    Edit: damn thanks for the likes guys

    • @nixyboy7637
      @nixyboy7637 4 года назад +6

      lmaoo

    • @user-jp6zl5yd1h
      @user-jp6zl5yd1h 4 года назад +1

      So true

    • @Martina-ez9cj
      @Martina-ez9cj 4 года назад +2

      😂😂😂

    • @hogrider9245
      @hogrider9245 4 года назад +4

      ngl would be funnier if it was a 12 year old, but this is still funny! I got a chuckle outta this.

    • @endercupid
      @endercupid 3 года назад +2

      Just one more reason to love Finnick

  • @strictlykaja1928
    @strictlykaja1928 4 года назад +666

    I read somewhere that even in Career districts people don't always volunteer, the volunteer percentage from D4 being rather lower than in 1 and 2. My belief is that he was reaped because Careers normally volunteer when they're 18, so I don't know why he'd risk it so much younger.

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +47

      That isn’t stated anywhere in the books or movies. It’s a smart assumption, but it’s not a known fact

    • @strictlykaja1928
      @strictlykaja1928 4 года назад +45

      @@StoryDiver fair enough, but I still feel it's likely what happened:)

    • @chibilee3037
      @chibilee3037 4 года назад +39

      District 4 boy was 13 and he died at the beginning by Cato.

    • @strictlykaja1928
      @strictlykaja1928 4 года назад +30

      @SIMONNE KLEIN well the books are canon so I'll believe that when I see it in the books

    • @GreenAxo_
      @GreenAxo_ 4 года назад +8

      Story Diver apparently many people believe that clove might have not volunteered but got reaped and no one volunteered for her.

  • @louisacoote2337
    @louisacoote2337 4 года назад +306

    Perhaps Finnick was reaped and the older careers thought he was good enough to win.

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +31

      It’s possible

    • @Potatoesop
      @Potatoesop 4 года назад +40

      Maybe someone was supposed to volunteer after Finnick got reaped but got cold feet. Even if volunteering brings pride and shows honor, it is possible that cold feet does happen.

  • @ALatteThoughts
    @ALatteThoughts 4 года назад +774

    Im wondering how 4 became a career district. I mean fishing isnt exactly the same as luxury. Food is food. Why isnt the livestock district career. Also none of the 4s mags, finnick or even annie have true career personalities. And Annie especially going crazy after her games. Perhaps most in 4 dont train as much for fame as they do for the hope of survival.

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +85

      I’m pretty sure we find out in the new book, considering what was already covered in the excerpt

    • @georgepownceby9053
      @georgepownceby9053 4 года назад +78

      Capitol likes district 4 because they were not as prominent in the rebellion

    • @ALatteThoughts
      @ALatteThoughts 4 года назад +33

      @@georgepownceby9053 true but I could have sworn I read in the prequel excerpt that 11 was doing well. Youd have thought they were always poor and under strict rule. It will be interesting to see how this society developed into what it became

    • @alvarovilla7309
      @alvarovilla7309 4 года назад +56

      Yeah I think they might train just in case if they are reaped, they would be prepared and not because they want to be part of the games. I think Katniss's father knew that. That's why people from District 12 and Peetas mom knew that Katniss may have a chance to win. Because in a way Katniss has been preparing even without her knowing. Prim couldn't harm an Animal put Katniss was able too for survival and to be feed. You can't stop the Hunger Games put you can prepare your kids for it.

    • @albertboy2774
      @albertboy2774 4 года назад +12

      @@ALatteThoughts the capitol had to have a reason to put them in this said strict rule, so maybe 11 did something to upset the capitol.

  • @mike64ls65
    @mike64ls65 4 года назад +173

    My favorite part is when finnick screams Annie in catching fire during the jabber jay part and you can hear Sam claflins accent break through

    • @awasapoa
      @awasapoa 4 года назад +10

      BananaMilk Ls oooooo i heard that too

    • @Alwaysyapping2024
      @Alwaysyapping2024 4 года назад +5

      When he says katniss for the first time you can hear it

  • @lulub1433
    @lulub1433 4 года назад +129

    I imagine that maybe 4 trains for the games but does not volunteer. Maybe it just strengthens their odds when they are reaped.

  • @tdk0623
    @tdk0623 4 года назад +549

    What if katniss died at the end of her game
    Or what if peeta died with cato at the end

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +48

      I’m working on a few videos that cover these topics 😉

    • @tdk0623
      @tdk0623 4 года назад +1

      YEAAS

    • @itsnotnate420
      @itsnotnate420 4 года назад +11

      Katniss should have been killed by thresh. Thresh only spared her life because of what she did for rue. But how did thresh know what happened then? It makes no sense. So Katniss should be dead and the rebellion failed, Cato wins the hunger games, and yeah.

    • @tyrinwatson7446
      @tyrinwatson7446 4 года назад +24

      When Clove was talking to Katniss before she tried to kill her I bet he was hiding on the other side of the cornucopia which means once Clove said they killed Rue he got very mad and that’s when he came out and killed Clove

    • @vivianshi9668
      @vivianshi9668 4 года назад +9

      NAT PG3D well after someone dies, during the night it’ll show a picture and rues was decorated with flowers, and thresh probably knew Rue was Katniss’ ally.

  • @Fish_plz
    @Fish_plz 4 года назад +138

    I thought Finnick was reaped and no one volunteered because no one that was 18 had made it all the way through the academy

  • @rabbitsoupp
    @rabbitsoupp 4 года назад +352

    I believe that the tributes in district 4 did not all volunteer but probably only a few

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +14

      It’s possible

    • @addy6543
      @addy6543 4 года назад +11

      I think a select few would volunteer if they were the best for the situation, unless they volunteered early

    • @susannahah
      @susannahah 4 года назад +1

      @@StoryDiver
      It is what happens

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +8

      SusieoftheAnna considering neither the books nor the movies state this, we can’t be sure. It’s possible, but until Collins releases more information about it, we can’t say for sure how many tributes from 4 volunteered

    • @NatiVereau
      @NatiVereau 4 года назад +1

      @@StoryDiver maybe we'll know more in the new book seeing it's the games where mags won

  • @kevinh811
    @kevinh811 4 года назад +28

    I think Mags probably deserves some credit for however Finnick changes after his hunger games. Haymitch said she was Finnick's mentor and practically raised him. And he described Mags as a wonderful lady. They made it clear Finnick cared for Mags deeply. That relationship must have impacted him.

  • @fantasticnerd7978
    @fantasticnerd7978 4 года назад +48

    I think at the beginning they saw Finnick as an arrogant teenager but as the games went on maybe some changed their minds about him

  • @gut3790
    @gut3790 4 года назад +275

    Can u also try to make a video of How did Johanna/Annie Won her games?

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +33

      There's quite a lot of information about how both of these girls won their Games in the books

    • @tyronepatrick8690
      @tyronepatrick8690 4 года назад +96

      I think Annie won her games by surviving a flood and Johanna purposely got a low training score and made herself seem weak then at the final few she released her strength and axed the other people to death. (I don't remember, that's what I think happened)

    • @taemoon1799
      @taemoon1799 4 года назад +6

      @@tyronepatrick8690 you are correct

    • @awasapoa
      @awasapoa 4 года назад +1

      Tyrone Patrick yah thats tru

    • @yamaslushy9461
      @yamaslushy9461 4 года назад +9

      How crazy would it be if Annie actually was a super evil Career and the Hunger Games made her soft and traumatized her?

  • @shemamaonmymia
    @shemamaonmymia 4 года назад +21

    honestly i love the idea of another hunger games book exploring how a cocky career tribute who volunteered at 14 who then learns and changes into a more sombre and world-weary character due to their experience in the games (and in Finnick's case, after as well). It'd be a totally different type of character and arc than Katniss' story and honestly sounds more interesting than the young-Snow story.

  • @mistyb1183
    @mistyb1183 4 года назад +30

    I think he might have gotten cocky after the hunger games being the youngest ever to win but I do not think Mags would have allowed him to have a big head and I do believe she’s the one that kept him grounded and humble and lots of areas

  • @CharlieKeyzer26
    @CharlieKeyzer26 4 года назад +64

    Finnick didn’t volunteer, he was planning to volunteer when he was 18 but he was reaped when he was 14

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +5

      It’s stated he did volunteer

    • @chieff_T
      @chieff_T 4 года назад +15

      Story Diver where does it say that?

    • @ellanaa9464
      @ellanaa9464 4 года назад +3

      @@chieff_T I second that

    • @katelynpribula9206
      @katelynpribula9206 4 года назад +8

      Story Diver never says he volunteered. I’ve checked. And also... where does it ever list district 3 or 4 as general career tributes? Only 1-2. And 18 isn’t the only year you can volunteer like you state. There is no allowed to age for volunteering in the books kat is volunteers and she’s 16

    • @yusrahashim1112
      @yusrahashim1112 4 года назад +5

      @@StoryDiver i'm pretty sure he was reaped but was planning on volunteering when he was older. i don't think little 14 year old finnick would volunteer

  • @jackytan8463
    @jackytan8463 4 года назад +23

    I really like story diver cause she explains all the questions I have in the hunger games. you are doing a really good job!

  • @himalipatel2738
    @himalipatel2738 4 года назад +74

    I don't really think District 4 has many volunteers.
    They are less likely, just in my opinion.

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +3

      It's possible!

    • @_exile8876
      @_exile8876 4 года назад +2

      I think so because theres the district 4 tribute in the first hunger games was 13

  • @stephenmccarthy2517
    @stephenmccarthy2517 4 года назад +50

    I don't know if he would have volunteered, but I like to believe that District 4 trains their tributes more for survival's sake rather than for pride and victory. And that only select people who think they will win will actually volunteer (like Finnick or the girl who hands Katniss flowers on their victory tour to D4.). In the first movie, the tributes from D4. look like they're somewhere between 12 - 16 , so I feel like any volunteers, 18 or not, are still rarer there than D1. and D2.
    I also heard, though I'm not sure if it's true, that Suzanne Collins said in an interview that the first three victors from D4. were females who won 20 years apart: Mags:11th, unknown 31st, unknown 51st, then of course we know of Finnick and Annie 65th and 70th. maybe there was more in between 51st and 65th, but I feel like a volunteer career district would also produce more than five victors within 75 years. Sorry for the long comment, I love thinking about this stuff and idk why x)

    • @kenneyp.9456
      @kenneyp.9456 4 года назад +10

      Exactly what I was think , district 4 being careers for survival sakes not for honor or pride like 1 or 2

    • @eamparbeng
      @eamparbeng 4 года назад +7

      Word. 5 victors in 74 years worth of hunger games is unacceptable by career district standards. 5 victors is probably the amount of victors let's say district 3 or 10 would have in their respective histories

  • @elianasobel3228
    @elianasobel3228 4 года назад +6

    In Katniss’ first games the district four boy was really young, too. But he was more shy from what we saw. The careers didn’t even include him in their group, and only in the books was the district 4 girl in the careers. This leads me to think district 4 doesn’t always have volunteers

  • @emmimiax8337
    @emmimiax8337 4 года назад +43

    You know how Snow kills everyone you love if you don't do something he tells you to? What would happen if you loved Snow?

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +5

      He would punish you in other ways. Executing your loved ones is only one form of punishment we know he uses, there are many others

    • @angelaphsiao
      @angelaphsiao 4 года назад +11

      Then you’d be in an abusive relationship with the president of Panem, which honestly seems like a much worse place to be in

    • @bree6925
      @bree6925 4 года назад +2

      Tricky tricky...

    • @aanya3248
      @aanya3248 4 года назад

      Yeah Johanna didn’t love anyone anymore so they made her a prostetute

    • @eilishcorkery2364
      @eilishcorkery2364 4 года назад

      @@StoryDiver And he manipulated them by using Haymitch as an example because Snow killed his loved ones first after the forcefield scandal in the 2nd quarter quell

  • @whotheheckis_ray
    @whotheheckis_ray 4 года назад +9

    I am sure Finnick is still eating sugar cubes in heaven :( WE MISS YOU FINNICK

  • @raccoonman5451
    @raccoonman5451 4 года назад +16

    Finnick is my favorite character

  • @carterzenk7314
    @carterzenk7314 4 года назад +14

    I feel like district 4 is very different in the way they volunteer. Because in the 74th games the boy from district 4 is a little boy that gets killed by Cato in the bloodbath. I am just wondering why a weak young boy from district 4 went to the games and that an 18 year old that is done with thier training didn’t volunteer

  • @adelkaizbest2038
    @adelkaizbest2038 2 года назад +1

    I deffinitely can see him volunteering before he was officialy allowed to by the academy bcs he was arogant and thought that he was ready so there is no point in waiting until he is 18.
    And his own distirct must love him bcs he won and his plan worked but if he died his people would hate him for foolishly taking away chance of glory from someone older and more capable.
    As for Clove, it is possible that Finnick actualy made volunteering before 18 more popular bcs it worked out well for him, so after that more younger tributes were volunteering.

  • @teddycolours8426
    @teddycolours8426 4 года назад +10

    I’m assuming the academy’s plan who is going to volunteer every year strategically. It makes more sense to only send your number 1 best tribute instead of top two because there is only 1 victor so it’d be a waste of strength for next year to send two possible winners knowing only 1 will come home. So maybe finnicks district partner that year was an 18 year old female tribute who was their districts choice to volunteer that year thus nobody needed to volunteer for the males. Which makes more sense because finnick isn’t the type to volunteer and also it’s highly unlikely for a 14 year old to volunteer after so little years training.

    • @undersi597
      @undersi597 4 года назад

      That's really smart

    • @marie3322
      @marie3322 4 года назад

      That sounds very true

  • @pikonooo5907
    @pikonooo5907 4 года назад +3

    Your stories and theories are really cool and interesting! The way you talk really makes me want to watch more and more and gets me really involved. Thanks for being you! I just want to watch more!!

  • @ShootingStarStudio
    @ShootingStarStudio Год назад +1

    I gotta admit, I’m a little mad that they didn’t make the reaping scene into a spy movie dossier. Add a little spy music, run through all of the tributes. Would be so much cooler.

  • @DehCookiPleb
    @DehCookiPleb Год назад +1

    I highly doubt District 4 had a training academy and the children volunteered as this would mean Annie and possibly Mags volunteered which given how their games went and the trauma they endured throughout (especially Annie) wouldn't make a lick of sense.

    • @RandomVidsforthought
      @RandomVidsforthought 11 месяцев назад

      There were no such academies in the books

    • @DehCookiPleb
      @DehCookiPleb 11 месяцев назад

      @@RandomVidsforthought The Training Academies did exist in the books, but only for District 1 and 2 which is why their mentioned so little, because the books are from Katniss' POV and she never had to go to one or got to have a civilized conversation with somone who experienced them.

    • @RandomVidsforthought
      @RandomVidsforthought 11 месяцев назад

      @@DehCookiPleb That's why i watched the deep dive on district 4 by Lucky

  • @natalie_rose2861
    @natalie_rose2861 Год назад +1

    I haven't read the books for a long time. For some reason I had in my head that only 1-2 were the careers. Not 1-4.

  • @HaiyanWei-k7o
    @HaiyanWei-k7o 4 года назад +2

    I saw somewhere that it said that Finnick trained and planned to volunteer when he was 18, but got reaped which was not planned for, considering the odds.

  • @monique9711
    @monique9711 4 года назад +19

    Loved it! My favourite characters are Finnick, Primrose, and Haymitch. 💜

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +2

      I’m glad you enjoyed it!

    • @emmimiax8337
      @emmimiax8337 4 года назад +2

      I don't see much people liking Haymitch! Interesting!

    • @monique9711
      @monique9711 4 года назад +1

      3mer4ld_mooon 14 I love him 💗 (as a character)

    • @monique9711
      @monique9711 4 года назад

      Story Diver 💜💜

    • @sillychuu
      @sillychuu 4 года назад +5

      Haymitch is such a great character in my opinion I don’t know why people hate him.

  • @christinapampillonio
    @christinapampillonio 4 года назад +3

    This makes me think about Annie. She was also district 4, but she seems so fragile in the series. The games broke her so much

  • @wellyeah9568
    @wellyeah9568 4 года назад +17

    What about annie? She for sure didn't volunteered.. so why she was in the hunger games? Why no one volunteered insted? Maybe district 4 have something wierd with their voulentiring? And if so finnick was picked before his time and didn't volunteered?

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +5

      What makes you sure she didn’t volunteer? We don’t know how her reaping went or what type of a tribute she was

    • @wellyeah9568
      @wellyeah9568 4 года назад +8

      @@StoryDiver
      Because as they pictured it in the book she only won by accident, the arena was fluted and she was the best swimmer. i think she wouldn't be able to win otherwise, because she wasn't ready to be in the hunger games, and if so, she probably didn't voluntierd
      *Also agnore of my grammar english is not my first language

  • @blakekennelly3709
    @blakekennelly3709 4 года назад +3

    At 3:00 when Finnick says that, I get a shiver down my spine. 1 of the greatest lines in the movie series

  • @eamparbeng
    @eamparbeng 4 года назад +13

    Almost every comment in this comment section and this video supports my theory of why district 4 semi-career district. Yes, some district 4 kids train like 1and 2, but some are only really included into the pack cuz they're strong from hard physical labor like Thresh and resourceful like our dear Finnick cuz the fishing industry demands the physical strength of being a fishmonger and resourcefulness to be able to supply aquatic cuisine for the country. Yes, winning the games is seen as a great honor in district 4, but not the same degree as in 1 and 2. Most district 4 kids only train just to be well prepared to win if they get reaped like Finnick . Not being brainwashed to think the hunger games are a competition of pride and honor like Cato did. And that's supported on how Annie won her games cuz she was the best swimmer, and Mags was very resourceful since she could "make a fishhook out of almost anything". Yes , district 4 careers are strong, but their actually the weakest of them. Just look how the tributes of 4 performed in the 74th hunger games. They performed worse than districts 3,5,10,11, and 12 cuz each of those districts had at least one tribute that outperformed the district 4 female that year. Pretty pitiful by career district standards. Yes, district 4 has one of the largest pools of victors in their history of hunger games as mentioned in Catching Fire, but theirs , while larger than the strongest non-career districts like 5 or 7, is smaller kinda not good compared to 1 and 2. I'd say in the first 73 years, district 1 had 11 victors, district 2 with 12, and district 4 just 8. All these theories are why districts 1 and 2 would be like "hey district 4. Yeah we know you're a career district like us, but sometimes you guys are pathetic by career tribute standards. So from now on, you're only gonna be our partners in crime if you guys are good"

    • @hciapetus1251
      @hciapetus1251 4 года назад +2

      I’ve always viewed D-4 as the example the author used to show how a career district has evolved into becoming more rebellious against the Capitol. Basically to throw in hints that the Capitol is so corrupt that even a career district, that sided with the Capitol during the Dark Days, can change their minds and sometimes it’s a slow burn.
      So yah, D-4 was most likely had become more of a semi-career district.
      My theory for this would be that, at some point Panem history, families in D-4 became more aware at how wrong the Games were and that the Capitol was heavily corrupted. It started off small with only a few families and citizens, but the numbers grew through word-of-mouth and discovering personal experiences.
      Due to the increasing number of citizens no longer in support of the Capitol (but likely appearing that they are), the less children were sent in to train as career tributes.
      Due to the decrease of career students for training, the number of inexperienced kids being reaped increased and the rate of volunteers lowered as well.
      Did the Capitol realize this? Most likely. But they either didn’t care because they had the strength of two devoted districts (1 and 2), and the other districts feared them too much. It’s also likely that the wealthier and more powerful members of D-4 were still in support of them.
      So when someone like Finnick wins the Games, he’s praised all over Panem to keep up appearances that D-4 is 100% a career district and that they just reaped a few “bad apples”. This would cause the other districts to not really think twice about where the citizens of D-4 actually align themselves with. Which is likely why Katniss was so reluctant to trust Finnick during the third quarter quell.

    • @Nick-ux7zt
      @Nick-ux7zt 4 года назад +1

      HC Iapetus I see it the other way. I don’t think D4 would have supported the Capitol in the Dark Days because it seems odd that D4 would an D3 wouldn’t. I think that D4 might have had more victors early on in the history of the games because they were able to hunt (for fish) (this is supported by a line in Chapter 1 of the Ballard of Songbirds and Snakes) whereas D1 and D2 would be less self sufficient and wouldn’t have started training for the HG until after the first couple. This means that D4 would have started to get richer by having a few victors in quick succession. Then it is likely that pretended to support the Capitol or atleast were indifferent to it. It is possible that D4 became a Navy base for the Capitol and that some of their people started working for the Capitol’s armed forces.
      So as time went on I imagine they learned to co-exist with the Capitol and therefore aren’t treated as proper careers by D1 and D2 because they don’t believe that D4 is in support of the Capitol even if the rest of Panem do. However you do make a good argument.

    • @eamparbeng
      @eamparbeng 4 года назад

      @@Nick-ux7zt both your theories make a lot of sense. That Navy base theory is very accurate cuz just like how the United States had Navy Bases around the country, why wouldn't district 4. And a navy base comes jobs, which equals to money, which equals to buying power for food, which equals to happier citizens. Just like the nut in district 2.

  • @not_em1246
    @not_em1246 4 года назад +5

    “Yes, I’m kidding he’s a peacock a total preener” #loveHaymitch

  • @mistyb1183
    @mistyb1183 4 года назад +5

    I don’t thank district four volunteers but I do believe they are very skilled because of them being a fishing district therefore they are able to use spears, tridents, knives etc. and since they know how to swim they are a little bit more physically fit and that is why they match up with district 1and district 2

  • @McDreamyFan25
    @McDreamyFan25 4 года назад +20

    Finnick is my favorite male character after Peeta, although he has the reputation to be aroggant xD I think Finnick is a remarkable character. strong, confident,.. I also think that he volunteered because it just fits his nature, but I think latter he regretted this :/ ♥♥♥ very nice video :) ♥♥

  • @ryebread9427
    @ryebread9427 4 года назад +3

    Made me think a lot about his character...
    Thanks!

  • @duckylmexican
    @duckylmexican 4 года назад +2

    My theory about this is that we know it was Mags who possibly started the Careers training program. We know of her character so it’s most likely the Career program was used mainly to reduce casualties?

  • @matthewharvey9596
    @matthewharvey9596 4 года назад +41

    I agree that he probably volunteered however I wonder how the those who had trained to the age of 18 and the trainers would have felt about him doing this when he came back and he deprived someone of the chance of winning. Also what happens if more than one person volunteers?

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +8

      I cover my theories about how volunteering works (including multiple volunteers) in the “Volunteering explained” video linked at the end of this one.
      I believe that because Finnick won, no one saw him as depriving or wasting that tribute spot. Had he volunteered and died, then it could have been seen as a waste

    • @o2matt403
      @o2matt403 4 года назад

      Was wondering the same thing. But still, if I were a bloodthirsty killer who wanted the glory before adult hood, I wouldn’t want it to be ruined by someone 4 years younger than me. They all must have been so triggered.

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +10

      Matthew Berry please don’t use the word trigger as a replacement for angry. A trigger is linked to trauma.
      I do agree they would have been angry!

    • @o2matt403
      @o2matt403 4 года назад +1

      @@StoryDiver whoops, ok. thanks for the heads-up

  • @1ShotNev_COCX
    @1ShotNev_COCX 3 месяца назад

    "She had her teeth filed so that she could rip their throats out," said Haymich so calmly

  • @jjaayybb
    @jjaayybb 4 года назад +5

    Finnick: *is on screen*
    Finnick: ☺️😉😌😇
    Peeta next to him: 😑🙄

  • @TheAwsomeManny
    @TheAwsomeManny Год назад +1

    My opinion is that he was originally training for the hunger games but got reaped at 14 and didn’t expect to go in as early as he did honestly I think district 4 trains for the games more for survival rather than honor like district 1 and 2

  • @wildlifephotographyfilm7407
    @wildlifephotographyfilm7407 4 года назад +13

    In the 74th hunger games, the district four boy is 12 and both tributes die early on in the games.
    Also, how did Mags and Annie end up in the arena?
    Surely if it was a carer district they would not be in there.

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +1

      Mags was probably reaped as she was in an early Games. However Annie likely volunteered as by then 4 was a Career district

  • @yuh-xl8sk
    @yuh-xl8sk 4 года назад +3

    Just found your channel a few days ago, love all this hunger games analysis. I’ve been binging all your videos and they’re all so great and interesting. Definitely happy I subscribed. :)

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +1

      I'm happy you like the channel!

  • @KombatW0mbat
    @KombatW0mbat Год назад

    I bet everyone facepalmed when he volunteered. They probs were like “he’ll make it to the final 5 but he’s dead”

  • @hidrat4355
    @hidrat4355 4 года назад +1

    In District 4 they have reapings I forgot the reason but that really how he could get in the games that young

  • @IIIGioGioStarIII
    @IIIGioGioStarIII Год назад

    I know that it's mentioned that District 4 is the poorest of the Career Districts. And also mentioned that they aren't always teamed up with the Careers. So I don't think they would have had an Academy since they were more focused with fishing. And that is an extremely dangerous career. In their school, I figured that they would teach them as regular classes how to do things like fishing, making/repairing nets, important knots, and things that you need to know for working on a boat for extended periods of time. And those skills can be transferred to survival and hunting for the Hunger Games.
    I can see two ways for Finek to be a participant for his game. Either he volunteered because he was being cocky and believed that he could win and escape the life of a fisherman or his name was called out and nobody volunteered for his place.

  • @nmoney6655
    @nmoney6655 3 года назад +1

    Imagine if Finnick and Annie’s kids get to go in the arena just to win like their parents

  • @Maxilan__playlists
    @Maxilan__playlists 4 года назад +2

    Glimmer was a career tribute she was 17 Clove was a career tribute she was 15 the unnamed female career tribute was 13 (that’s what I heard) Marvel was a career tribute he was 16 and Finnick had to put his name in twice at the reaping for a year supply of supplies to help his family.

  • @AjaySharma65775
    @AjaySharma65775 4 года назад +7

    What if he volunteered for someone else? I mean, we know he loved Annie, what if he had a- I dunno- brother or something who was reaped?

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +1

      It's possible!

    • @me-ht8cu
      @me-ht8cu 3 года назад +2

      What if Finnick was reaped and no one volunteered for him as they knew he was strong enough to fight

  • @danielgerold7506
    @danielgerold7506 3 года назад

    Well I could imagine that there were a few more people volunteering and the mentors in the end handpicking the tributes

  • @weirdestcalebtv269
    @weirdestcalebtv269 4 года назад +1

    I find it interesting how in your bloodbath video you mentioned how the career pack wouldn’t kill each other. But in the movie of the 74th hunger games Cato (district 2) slit the throat of the district 4 male with his sword. But then again he was 12 and Cato probably thought that he wouldn’t be much help for the career pack. But for some reason I feel like if that hadn’t happened and the boy survived the blood bath he would have made an ally with one of the main characters. Maybe even Foxface or Thresh, for they were alone for the entire games from the information given to the viewers.

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад

      There’s exceptions to every rule 😉

  • @alvarovilla7309
    @alvarovilla7309 4 года назад +12

    I say why volunteer when you're already 18? If your name wasn't called you get to live the rest of your life now!

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +8

      Remember that these children are brainwashed, they want to win the Games more than anything else. Living the rest of your life without going into the arena would be seen as a failure, and you would be seen as weak

    • @kenneyp.9456
      @kenneyp.9456 4 года назад +2

      In there minds they probably saw that they spent there whole lives training and preparing for the game so to them not to go in it’s just a waist of time and training

    • @kenneyp.9456
      @kenneyp.9456 4 года назад +1

      In there minds they probably saw that they spent there whole lives training and preparing for the game so to them not to go in it’s just a waist of time and training

  • @Verzse27
    @Verzse27 4 года назад +5

    Are the yellow red and blue squares in the background a reference to the book colors?

  • @coconutpineaple3163
    @coconutpineaple3163 4 года назад +2

    Katniss: what’s with her teeth
    Hamish in a calm voice: she had them filled to rip people’s throats out
    Katniss: *shocked*
    Libras: wow that’s crazy

  • @trentonwelsh6859
    @trentonwelsh6859 4 года назад

    My understanding of the academies is 1 and 2 are graduating and volunteering. Its more likely that people who train in other districts are wealthy who train their children to increase survival

  • @AtiDeBeer
    @AtiDeBeer 4 года назад +4

    i still dont know what cato ment when he said ''im already dead'' at the end from the 74th hungergames

    • @emmimiax8337
      @emmimiax8337 4 года назад +4

      I think he probably knew Katniss or possibly Peeta would win.

    • @deachris03
      @deachris03 4 года назад +3

      He knew he would die

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад +5

      It means he realised he had no chance of surviving, he was basically dead at this point

    • @killianglynn780
      @killianglynn780 4 года назад +7

      Apart from the obvious interpretation, I like to think that Cato realized that he'd had his humanity stripped from him by his preparation and participation for and in the Games. Even if he somehow won, he would be hollow and removed from everything around him - an empty shell.

    • @indie267
      @indie267 4 года назад

      Some believe this meant that because Clove was gone he’s was already gone too

  • @Ami-zi6si
    @Ami-zi6si 4 года назад

    I think volounteering relatively young is a common practice in the career districs, perhaps only rarely as young as 14, but the earlier you start volounteering the more years you have the chance to become a tribute and thus more likely to get the chamce to bring honor to your district.

  • @x_n_x_gal9161
    @x_n_x_gal9161 11 месяцев назад

    It's interesting how district 4 was a career district in the books but not in the movies.

  • @emanatingauras4017
    @emanatingauras4017 4 года назад +2

    Could you do a theory/speculation video on how Coin managed to contact Haymitch, Finnick, and the other tributes to be in on the "Save the Mockingjay" plan? Haymitch is obviously a mentor and could probably get in contact with Plutarch, but how would tributes get in contact with Coin/13/Plutarch independently? Especially since the plan was risky enough that, according to Haymitch, it was better to leave both Katniss and Peeta in the dark about it. We know most of them were in on the plan at the very least before the tribute interview, as they tried to stop the games with their words; but it's conceivable that some of them like Beetee or Finnick were notified before they even got to the Capitol.

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад

      I've covered this a little in other videos. I would say communication happened between them and 13 through underground people, like Plutarch or Haymitch. Plutrach would have direct contact with all the tributes and victors, so he would be able to pass messages on

  • @emilyminassian9
    @emilyminassian9 4 года назад +1

    I would want to be in a career district because if I got picked someone would just volunteer for me 😂

  • @emmaridd284
    @emmaridd284 4 года назад

    The thing that just got me is that Finnick was 24 in the hunger games. That is younger then me. I suppose the movies made me just assume he is older

  • @anniem558
    @anniem558 4 года назад

    The tributes from all the districts are reaped. In the career districts, it's considered an honor to be in the games. So the if their name is called at the reaping many people start volunteering. Katniss explains this in the first book, I believe right after she volunteers for Prim.

  • @thenorthway3467
    @thenorthway3467 4 года назад +4

    Wait! What if you had a birthday between being reaped and going into the arena?

  • @cm7475
    @cm7475 2 года назад +1

    bro why is Finnick legit James Potter

  • @annavillarreal8444
    @annavillarreal8444 2 года назад

    it’s the same thing with clove, she’s 15 and from district 2

  • @nznkettei
    @nznkettei 3 года назад +1

    I feel like they should make a book and movie on finnick games and hamitch games

  • @gemriosorignal
    @gemriosorignal 4 года назад +1

    He does comes out in the first book just no shown until the 3rd book.

  • @bookishinsanaty9487
    @bookishinsanaty9487 4 года назад +2

    Are you familiar with the Annie & Finnick web series here on RUclips? The actors aswell as the YT channel ''Mainstay Pro'' portray a possible past these two share and how they ended up being in the Hunger Games. It's pretty interesting and by far my favourite interpretation of these two when it comes to fan films 🥰

  • @mistyb1183
    @mistyb1183 4 года назад +1

    The way I always see it is that for is the honorary career district it is not like one and two and where the people from four don’t actually volunteer they don’t train and a special Academy they just do the work of a fishing person that is why they are very good at using tridents or even a spear they would be good with knives nets they be able to fashion lots of traps and that is why they are viewed valuable because even in the book they killed the district four tribute so they aren’t always in the career pack

    • @mistyb1183
      @mistyb1183 4 года назад +1

      And that will explain why they actually rebelled very easily in district 4 even before the quarter quail

    • @mistyb1183
      @mistyb1183 4 года назад +1

      I only think he only portrays that aspect because deep down with all the stuff he has gone through he has to put a smile on his face he can’t let the things that have happened to him let him down so if he acts very bold and very strong it makes him feel stronger on the inside that is somewhat explained in Mockingjay when he tells all the stories of all the people of all the things he knows through all the secrets he’s collected

  • @paulaflanagan4871
    @paulaflanagan4871 4 года назад

    The reason these careers volunteer and train is mainly for pride. Volunteering when you are 18 means you will be really deadly and will most likely win, but the younger you volunteer, the more pride your district will receive and the more the odds aren’t in your favour. Finnick was probably very talented and wanted to be the youngest victor, so he volunteered when he was 14. Clove as well probably wanted to bring her district pride by volunteering at 15.

  • @missmermade9331
    @missmermade9331 4 года назад +1

    Cato's change of character was only in the movies, not in the books. It upset me deeply when they made him regret it in the movies.
    I also believe Finnick was a volunteer, but it is possible that the ones who were supposed to go opted out and nobody volunteered. I can't really tell

  • @macykeim3082
    @macykeim3082 4 года назад +1

    In the first games Cato killed the boy from district 4 which is a career district. also the boy from district 4 was 12 if you look on the screen where it shows cloves age. but the boy was scared of cato so i don’t think he would volunteer?

  • @c.alexander2380
    @c.alexander2380 4 года назад +1

    Since there were so many volunteers. The academy selects who was the best

  • @hollyboone6708
    @hollyboone6708 4 года назад

    Even though district 4 was a career district it was not favourited by the capitol because unlike districts like district 1 the produce does not make them splendidly happy for example district 2 gave them peace keepers which allowed them to keep the districts under control which allowed them to live how they did where district 4 only provided some food which they already had a abundance of.

  • @raeganflanders8830
    @raeganflanders8830 4 года назад +1

    It's stated that he's the youngest tribute to win the Hunger Games. My theory has always been that his arrogance got the better of him and he was like "I could win now and get the glory of being the youngest to do it" and that's why he volunteered so young.

  • @katieb6090
    @katieb6090 4 года назад +1

    I think district 4 was probably annoyed because they train or are meant to train untill 18 and he volenteered before 18 so that would show other kids that you can just do whatevecer you want so maybe they thought he was a threatht but got rid of him because then the threat would be done with and over so they don't have to deal with it

  • @jordynneastick6925
    @jordynneastick6925 4 года назад +1

    you guys should check out the story of Finnick and Annie as well as his hunger games I'm pretty sure its a fan film its on RUclips.

  • @rjstacker1734
    @rjstacker1734 2 года назад

    The district 4 tribute for the 74th games was 12

  • @marie3322
    @marie3322 4 года назад +2

    What movie is the clip at 4:11 from?

  • @darrahsamson4399
    @darrahsamson4399 4 года назад +5

    Fun Fact: The sugar cube scene took so many tries that by the time they got it right Sam Claflin ate an entire box of sugar cubes.

    • @ribbitgrl
      @ribbitgrl 4 года назад

      Worth it. That scene was perfect.

  • @MioneBristow
    @MioneBristow 4 года назад +1

    I think... that 4 isn't always considered part of the cool kids per 1 and 2 all the time. Depends on who they bring to the party. I think the other tribute needs to be considered. It's possible that they don't send 2 18 year old, every year. You need 1 strong, capable tribute who can survive and eventually kill the other careers. It's easier to possibly 'off' your district partner if they are not as well prepared as you are. So... Finnick's partner was likely a well prepared 18 year old stunner... and it didn't matter who went with her.
    It's possible he was too arrogant and they didn't mind him going early.
    It's said he didn't do well until he was gifted a trident... he probably had a target on his back from the careers and maybe they'd already killed his counterpart. Mags was his mentor... she may have been the only one who believed in him.

  • @rivo3
    @rivo3 3 года назад

    District 4 I think of more as an on and off career district sometimes they get careers sometimes they get kids who are reaped

  • @mckennahenderson3450
    @mckennahenderson3450 4 года назад

    Maybe no one decided to volunteer that year? Or what if the guy who got reaped was friends or family of his that he didn’t want to see in the games so he volunteered?

  • @juliachapman326
    @juliachapman326 Год назад

    My theory is that in the career districts, potential volunteers compete to earn the right to volunteer at the reaping, but at Finnick’s reaping, the pre-selected volunteer chickened out and when Finnick’s name was the one reaped, he was not volunteered for like he was supposed to.

  • @Phoebe-nf6mt
    @Phoebe-nf6mt 4 года назад +1

    With all the volunteering in the career districts, wouldn't that mean that every 18 year old (from the training academy) would step forward? How do they choose who is picked if more than one person volunteers at the same time?

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад

      I have made a video covering how I think the process works called “Volunteering explained” 😉

  • @levanyra3732
    @levanyra3732 4 года назад +2

    Annie was from district 4 as well and I highly doubt that she volunteered given how emotionally instable she was because of the games (during and even after the games)

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад

      She was mentally stable before entering the arena, so it is possible she volunteered

    • @levanyra3732
      @levanyra3732 4 года назад

      Story Diver yeah... you’re right. Maybe she thought the games were different than what she ended up in...

  • @ethypoo
    @ethypoo 4 года назад +2

    i’m confused that in the movies that district 4 isn't in the career team...

    • @TheDogBark27
      @TheDogBark27 2 года назад

      They aren’t a career team in the 74th games because they were very weak and unreliable and young, and in the 75th games district 4 was apart of the rebel plan

  • @jxllyous3142
    @jxllyous3142 4 года назад +13

    I’m just wondering..
    Can you volunteer for a volunteer?

    • @emmimiax8337
      @emmimiax8337 4 года назад +1

      I was wondering that too!

    • @madethistocomment727
      @madethistocomment727 4 года назад +1

      She made a video about volunteering. I think it was called "volunteering explained"

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад

      I've covered this in my "Volunteering explained" video 😉

    • @andoew1767
      @andoew1767 4 года назад

      Hope to see this in the prequel book like in the tenth games there was a poor 14 year old that volunteered for a rich 18 year old in district one but then some random 18 year old person volunteered for the volunteer,in the prequel the mentor of the district 1 male tribute had a mother that owned a bank. maybe the prequel will still suck though😰

    • @andoew1767
      @andoew1767 4 года назад

      @Mantha Mantha maybe the first Victor from district 12 was rummage lorman.

  • @lenachristiaen916
    @lenachristiaen916 4 года назад +1

    I know the careers volunteer but.. wouldn't they all be waiting impatiently until the woman finished her speech? Wouldn't there be cases where multiple careers volunteered at the same time?

  • @CoastalWizard
    @CoastalWizard 4 года назад

    They can't force the person that is meant to volunteer so maybe as volunteers have to happen after a tribute is reaped then it left Finnick as the tribute

  • @davidmolina4726
    @davidmolina4726 Год назад

    Having district 4 as a career feels to much like 1 and 2 is fine but now 3 and 4 are careers now is just to much i like the idea he got reaped for the hunger games got a sponsor that gave him his trusty trident and with that weapons he was able to win the games

  • @KacperLipa
    @KacperLipa 4 года назад +2

    Amazing Video as always !! 💜💜💜 I really think that Finnick voluntered ! Maybe he thought that his skills are really good, and he was a cocky teenageer ! It's highly possible ! ^^

    • @StoryDiver
      @StoryDiver  4 года назад

      Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed it!!!

  • @minus_the_boss9714
    @minus_the_boss9714 3 года назад

    I was watching this video and looking at district 4 and in the 74th Hunger games there is a 1/ year old boy in District 4. This confused me so much because like you said that most likely people would volunteer for him. Looking how he acts I don’t think he would volunteer so this just confused me so much so @-@