The Polytheistic Origins of God
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I've never heard this history so clearly laid out. Lovely editing and a really enjoyable video 👍👍
Thank you!
" history" - Are you sure? Always check evidence on the both sides.
You are just making up history..
@@freeliberty5996 No, he's not.
According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. His pantheon in Ugarit is called the *Elohim,* literally the plural of El.
"When El was young, he came across two beautiful Goddesses washing their clothes in the Sea. They were Athirat (Asherah) and the Goddess Rahmaya, and, after buttering them up by cooking a meal for them, he asked them to choose between being his daughters or wives. They choose the latter and became the mothers of the Gods Shachar "Dawn" and Shalim "Dusk"."
*"First, a god named El predates the arrival of the Israelites into Syria-Palestine.* Biblical usage shows El was not just a generic noun, but often a proper name for Israel’s God (e.g., Gen 33:20: “El, the God of Israel”)."
"I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."*
*"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
(Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian)
*"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"*
(A second response to Michael Heiser)
*"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."*
*"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"*
(Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)*
*"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"*
(Mark Smith is a Catholic)
*"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"*
*"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"*
(Daniel McClellan is a Mormon)
*"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"*
(Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)")
*"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."*
(Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh)
*"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."*
*"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."*
*"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"*
(It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort)
*"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"*
(Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion")
*"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"*
(For a good summary of all of the above articles)
Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards.
Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on.
Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40.
Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"*
(By a former theist)
Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
@@LM-jz9vh Bible did not say anywhere that yawe is son of El and he had a wife.. Check Deuteronomy 32..yawe is Ehad.. No creator no son or no wife.. If you get stone from dome where and some thing is written thrre.. You have all the freedom to belive that.. As i am believing in bible..
Isreal was occipied by so many times snd many people try yo accomodate their god to hebew god.. We will only belive written text by mosses.. Liberal media should try something else than this fake news.. 😃
I've also read that Yahweh was the God of volcanos and metallurgy and Anat was the goddess of war.
I think 'volcano' God may have been another deity that got incorporated into the Yahweh body, much like how he took the sky storm aspects from Baal. Anat sounds like a feminine version of Anu who i think was a sky God, again, she may have been tag teamed into the Yahweh mix. I think Mary is an example of tacked on Goddess but not a Goddess worship.
So GOD is men made
Yeah, pretty much
yhwh is Marsian... God of tornados,.,
@@emptybucket1988god is not for worshiping ...
,, to understand material constants
and human body structures
lifestyle of the human
they designed deities in human form.
some in animals form..,
some in object form
😂😂😂
to save knowledge with us they preached us to worship them,,
but people start saving deities for worshiping them, 😂😂😂
Clear representation, nice work. Upon checking the references, they went straight to amazon books shopping links, interesting.
"Let us make man" was the first clue.
Nice presentation. William Dever's books are informative as well. He spent about 50 years as an archaeologist in the Levant. For starters "Has Archaeology Buried the Bible?" is a good read.
And who are the Israelites is a fantastic book just read it today - they say ancient Israelites adopted a pagan god. Yahweh.
Atheist Edge - Very wel made and presented video. Excellent information.
Funny how this works. We borrow a lot from other cultures and take ideas to incorporate them into our own. Our languages are great examples, showing how we share the same origins and use similar words across different countries. Heck even our writing...
But we are very blind that much of our cultural ideas and values also get borrowed from similar origins. And this video is a fantastic example of how religion moves through different cultures and tribes.
Thanks so much!
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They’re are two very famous Arab scholars who thoroughly studied and wrote about this subject, and a wide range of similar subjects around the ancient religions of the Middle East. I wish there was a way for us to translate their work to English. In fact one of them is Syrian lecturing currently at the university of Beijing on Middle Eastern religions and cultures, his name is Firas Alsawwah. Who’s books like (The mystery of Ashtar) and (The first adventure of the mind) maid me change my mind about religion and slowly doubt and become an atheist. Also the Iraqi scholar living in Amsterdam I believe Khazal Almajidy wrote extensively about these subject.
What this guy explains is not consistent.
The people of israel came from Abraham and isaac and jacob.
Abraham was called by God and tbe whole world would be blessed througb him.
GOD sent his descemdants to egypt .
It is here that we read him giving Moses his name as we know it today
They never got the name from canaan but in egypt that is say 3000bc. Thrn they came to canaan ti conquer and settle as home.
Which came first in bible
Sertling in canaa or egypt where moses qas given Gods name
@@carefullychristian8657 Fairy tales can be fun, yes? But they are not history.
@@carefullychristian8657ya mane there’s no historical evidence for any mass exodus from Egypt or conquering of Canaan
Israelites were canaanites
Can’t believe I devoted my life for many years to this deity
Same. I'm on the lookout for the real God I believed in before doing thr Christian stuff... that stuff made me miserable.
@@whoelsebutmeofcoursei Me too
@@whoelsebutmeofcoursei Jesus's Father is the real God, not Yahweh
@@kyranjellerby1764 Christian text just has a habit of mending people together into one. Just like how they mixed Satan and Lucifer. They're two different people. And when I say that I get looked at like I'm crazy
Me too 😂😂😂😂
According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. His pantheon in Ugarit is called the *Elohim,* literally the plural of El.
"When El was young, he came across two beautiful Goddesses washing their clothes in the Sea. They were Athirat (Asherah) and the Goddess Rahmaya, and, after buttering them up by cooking a meal for them, he asked them to choose between being his daughters or wives. They choose the latter and became the mothers of the Gods Shachar "Dawn" and Shalim "Dusk"."
*"First, a god named El predates the arrival of the Israelites into Syria-Palestine.* Biblical usage shows El was not just a generic noun, but often a proper name for Israel’s God (e.g., Gen 33:20: “El, the God of Israel”)."
"I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."*
*"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
(Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian)
*"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"*
(A second response to Michael Heiser)
*"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."*
*"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"*
(Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)*
*"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"*
(Mark Smith is a Catholic)
*"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"*
*"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"*
(Daniel McClellan is a Mormon)
*"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"*
(Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)")
*"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."*
(Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh)
*"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."*
*"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."*
*"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"*
(It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort)
*"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"*
(Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion")
*"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"*
(For a good summary of all of the above articles)
Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards.
Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on.
Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40.
Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"*
(By a former theist)
Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
Yea all this makes it to the point that none of it is definitive.
You misquoted and misinterpreted Gen 33:20
El Elohe Israel is the altar in which Jacob built in the Lords name.
How much more of the bible do you not understand?
El is El Elyon the father of Yahweh. Nothing to do with Jacob.
@@namelesscreation833no. Tell me where it says that
@DisciplinaCenter El is the head of the Elohim. Yahweh, chamash, Baal, Anat, yam was kids. He had about 70 kids or more. They changed the from polytheism to monotheism made all the dieties one god
Awsum info..I'm a Christian but..the rule is never let your faith get in the way of truth..so many have forgotten that..open mind and open heart etc ,there we find the truth..which is always love..even if your a militant atheist etc.. that's all good too..love is still what we all really want and need.. it's bigger than any religions or beliefs and it's the solution to every problem..and the lack of it is the cause of every problem..eg..the world today..where did the love go..🥰
“God is love….” ✝️📜
@@kathleenmann7311 Wrong. Yahweh is war.
@@kathleenmann7311more like god is war. He is the god of war afterall 😉
I’m not trying to attack you but curious how you can say never let your faith get in the way of truth? Without faith (belief without evidence/ or belief despite the evidence to the contrary ) how can you maintain a belief in the Christian God ? As far as I can see the truth is he was a man made creation ? Not attacking but genuinely wanting to hear ? Thanks
@@kathleenmann7311 I hear this from Christian’s but your god calls for the stoning of homosexuals, death as a penalty for blasphemy or working on the sabbath, slavery and sex slavery, rape and torture or children, women as property, genocide and so much more …… how is that love ?
as an atheist myself, it is metaphysically impossible to say for certain that an entity does/does not exist. but by historicizing yahweh, we get pictures of how he actually looked like based of his supposed interactions with hid earliest worshippers, unlike now where he is exalted, abstracted and adorned with omni qualities by his later, more philosophically and theologically advanced followers.
we can say with confidence that yahweh with these omni qualities is nothing more than positive accusation, he does not truly exist as currently envisioned. This yahweh is an imagination.
Great informative podcast. Thanks
Excellent video. Clear, concise and interesting.
my mind kept me asking questions all along as i was endoctrinated as a 10 year boy to the christian faith. i am completely my own person and i reject all religions as manmade. any talk of supernational things i reject or superstition or pseudoscince. i am homo sapien . those who know what that word means understands me
Alot of people have felt how you feel, when you start researching ancient history youll realize its not so simple
Try DMT and your position on super natural will change
Well, I did some research too, and mine agrees with yours. I've read "The Bible Unearthed" but not the rest--but I will now. Thanks for posting!
Me too. New books to read seems like a great plan!
Absolutely fascinating! Bravo 👏
Thanks for the video.
Thank you for the great info....very informative...
Peace be soon you..
Shalom
Yes the modern story of God seemed very incomplete and mysterious. You can tell thete is a huge amount of stuff missing. I think partly why I never got into it or enjoyed it as a mythology as much other mythos
Where did you get that chart at 5:18 from? EDIT: Found it on the World Religion News website.
Many thanks for your post. Was also looking for that chart.
Wow, why I wasn't I taught this as a child instead of being told God "just existed" forever like water, like earth and fire? I'm 57 years old now and have been nonbelieving in Christianity for 40 years. I am educated and this is the first time I have seen the lineage laid out like this. Unbelievable. Thank you.
You're welcome! I didn't understand the deeper importance of this video until after I had made it. It pleases me that it has opened so many eyes.
Excellent explanation..thank you
Great presentation! As an atheist, I find this subject very fascinating and you did a great job presenting this info.
Yahwist source, abbreviated as J, (labeled J after the German transliteration of YHWH), an early source that provides a strand of the Pentateuchal narrative.
The basis for identifying a strand of the Pentateuch as the writing of the Yahwist-the Yahwist strand being represented specifically in Genesis 2-16, 18-22, 24-34, 38, and 49; Exodus 1-24, 32, and 34; Numbers 11-12, 14, and 20-25; and Judges 1-is not only the use of the name Yahweh for God but also the use of Yahweh in association with other indications.
For example, in the Yahwist source, the name given to Moses’ father-in-law is Reuel, the mountain is always named as Sinai, and the Palestinians are referred to as Canaanites. In the source known as E in which God is called Elohim, Moses’ father-in-law is Jethro, the mountain is called Horeb, and the Palestinians are called Amorites.
Great! Clarifies things, placing the timeline on the events really helps. The pre-israel many gods are often not related with the monotheism jewism and what came after. That's why people are confused. But seeing the link is great.
Would be great if you can also make another video on that pantheon, grind down a bit more on all the sons of El, and the babilonian and Akadian gods. And how they tie in with Egypt too.
thank you
Such an amazing break down with receipts. 💀🤙🏽🔥
Thank you
It really isn't. The dude basically just copied and pasted a few wikipedia articles and called it a day. Did he do any research to address the claims that Parker and Smith relied upon? Did he do any sort of research into how Yahweh might be a result in a shift in language within geographical zones rather than an entirely new deity that seems to have materialized out of the ether without any sort of originating pantheon? Did he do any research into Ea/Enki? What about the Egyptian influence on early Israeli iconography? The use of Egyptian-style seals to represent God? Or that the ark's design likely originated from the Egyptians? Or that there is a considerable amount of crossover of the Osiris cult and the Yahweh cult?
Maybe you shouldn't put much stock in a pasty fat guy who combs through wikipedia articles and read *gasp* four whole books. There are dozens upon dozens upon dozens of articles and papers about the origins of Yahweh's name alone. There is no definitive answer on where the name comes from or what it means. It could have been an evolution of the word Ea, it might have been a separate chief deity of a conquering tribe, it might have been a nickname that caught on, it might have been a name invented to distinguish a certain belief regarding El/Ea, or many others. That doesn't even bring into account the issue of etymology; the issue of false cognates or false friends. Just because the words look similar and even have a similar pronunciation, does not in fact mean that they have the same etymologic roots and even if they did, there's no guarantee that they're at all related to the same meaning.
For example, a false cognate between Spanish and English is the word "actual". In English, it means real, but the Spanish word "actual" means current. Or rope and ropa. They look like they're the same words, but rope in English is rope, but in Spanish, the word "ropa" means clothes. And that's not even bringing issues like false friends as you see between Spanish and French speakers where there is a shared etymology, but similar words have different meanings.
This is just bad research to push someone's ideological worldview and present it as "scientific". There's nothing scientific about it.
@@Hellblade8 Wow, this is a lot! I have some research to do!
I been searching for this knowledge for the past couple of days. I need to know about the time period when Egypt ruled Canaan. Only information I can find from that time period is from the bible
Two Old Dudes Production channel clearly delineates a lot of what you might be seeking
bingo.. nailed it
Does anyone know, where I can find the list of sons shown at 3:15 of the video?
Magnificent.
Excellent explanation:
QUESTION: This devolution from many gods to the one monotheistic God by a people described so well here, ARE there other examples in other parts of the world, or in history before all this, or after all this, of peoples coming to a monotheistic God separately to your great explanation's zone?
OR, related question: Even in this zone of human history, in your chosen location to discuss how monotheism God emerged, were there sub regional examples of other regions choosing one monotheistic God themselves for similar human reasons or even for different reasons? But happening prior, to the timeline you discuss the one God concept emerging? (One would think we all being humans, all having similar desires and conflicts between one another, that this whole monotheistic God happening might have been foreshadowed by earlier wider existing examples which we simply haven't heard of, or which haven't been broadly shared by those historians who came upon other totally separate earlier instances of a group of people centering themselves to a monotheistic God?). Simpler put: are there other examples of people having chosen a monotheistic God for their sub group of people earlier in the same region, there, or elsewhere, earlier? (this later question, if answered yes, would imply this cyclical trend of monotheistic God choosing, is just a human group sociological variation and repeating human pattern)
third question: How much is the "Lost In Translation" conundrum relevant to any "lost" monotheistic Gods various peoples have had which are simply truly literally lost to our understanding of this bigger issue of how a people comes to center upon a monotheistic God? (This makes me think one would have to be a philologist and multi ancient language expert to sort this all out, and conquer or even research into the possible issue of a potential "Lost In Translation" problem even being a reality, something that may have occurred to other groups who settled upon a monotheistic God, but whose history is lost/and-or "Lost In Translation" to us being aware that this monotheism God centering by human groups is just a recurring sociological human option.)
I think science disproving "supernatural" events, is the biggest out flanking human history trend which is beneficial to humankind. Gods or gods doing the supernatural stuff, being disproven by science, is the big important beneficial human development over top God's or gods' supernatural effects in our world.
I go with science, in a nutshell.
Zalmoxis-gebeleizis in Dacia, also monolatric gods of son in Rome. Pacha-qamak Viracocha in Andean Region.
Very well presented!
Great video . The irony is how people of different religions like Christians and Muslims fight each other over their version of the same God.
They are not the same God
@@vanessac0382 They technically are.
@@kennethcox1343 nope. If the bible is true then the Quran is false but if the Bible is false the Quran is false. The Quran claimed the Bible as its source but it was corrupted. The Bible can't be true and false at the same time, because it means the Quran is false. If all of these reasons make the Quran false then they are not the same God. Also God's plan was already laid out in NT. There is no point for the Quran to reiterate it just to reveal Muhammad is a prophet and Allah is god. There is no new Revelation and Muhammad has no miracles. Muhammad can't go against the grain of being a prophet with no eyewitnesses for Allah, no miracles and a Mish mash of pagan and judeo-Christian religion
@@vanessac0382 You clearly don't know what you're talking about lol. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all worship the Abrahamic god. They have different ideas of what he wants and what to call him and different rules they think he has for them, but at the end of the day they all still worship the god of Abraham. Just like how Republicans and Demacrats have different ideas and beliefs but they are still part of the US government system. I can have the same birth mom as someone and still have a way different relationship with her, doesn't mean that we no longer have the same birth mom. Get it?
@@vanessac0382 Also, this doesn't disprove that it's the same god lol. If anything you've proven my point. Islam comes straight from Christianity, and Christianity comes straight from Judaism. All three claim they worship the same god, the god of Abraham. They even all say this in their own Holy books that they worship the god of Abraham. So I don't see how it's not the same god if they literally say it is lol.
if El is the father of Yahweh, and Yahweh is the god of the Abrahamic faiths, then wouldn't that also make El, Jesus's grandfather?
Dude loved the video. Very informative. Well done.
5:38 where can i find this picture???
9:16 These are Ainu totems in Burnaby Mountain Park near Vancouver, BC in Canada. Using these totem images in a video about the Middle East is misleading and hurts your credibility. Please don't do this.
Excellent video mate. 👏
For starters the name of the Hebrew God "Yahweh" is still disputed by scholars because we don't know the vowels in Hebrew. The current iteration is the just the best guest "Yahweh". So how can people deduce further that it originates from some desert tribe., when the name uncertain. The Jewish priest believe the name to Holy and did not pronounce, over time the original name became lost, so we don't know for fact the exact name.
There was a nearby mountain named YHW (pronounced "yahoo"), which is believed to be the origin of the word.
I am shattered and shocked. I am also confused now. Where does God's Father come from?
The father of God is Elohim. Since judeo-Christianity was originally polytheistic, then later became monotheistic as religious leaders over time retconned and erase any mention/indication that the bible had other canonical gods
Anyone know where I can find that info graphic chart at 5:22?
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@@AtheistEdge nice one, thanks. Brilliant video by the way, really helps to inject some sense into all this
What about Zoroastrian influence?
Hi, I found your video extremely interesting and backed up a lot of my own beliefs about the origins of Jehovah as a deity. I think its a bit like if the Greek religion became the standard religion but Sparta decided oh our main god now is Ares, ok he's part of a larger pantheon but he's the best, oh we like what Zeus does so we'll take from him what we want, oh and Apollo too and oh get rid of his wife for now, in fact he's so good now we'll get rid of all his brothers and sisters... and now make him invisible... but Ouranos is God of the sky, OK merge those two together and we have Areanos... just a few queries that I'd like to discuss, you equated El with Cronos, I'd have said Ouranos as Heavenly Sky God was possibly closer and I think that when the Hebrews were freed by the Persians from Babylonian captivity, certain aspects of Zoroastrian belief about God - Ahura Mazda and indeed Satan-Ahriman were passed into the proto-Judaic system. I'd love to see a show about the Devil too. I think in Old Testament he is just seen as any foreign God even though they were most likely from same original pantheon, like Ares and Zeus and not necessarily 'evil' as such, later Zoroastrian beliefs may have influenced the concept of a separate bad God, a shadow deity that became Satan. Will look out for more posts from you.
Sorry, do you think that Akhenaten, the short lived Egyptian 'One God' deity may have had some influence too or are they just similar coincidences? Thanks.
I believe this is what Mason's are told on their 32 rite
Seems like Modern Christianity’s God inherits more from the broad Canaanite El than from the Israeli Yahweh. So technically, Modern Christianity is a de facto Canaanite religion, rather than exclusively Israeli. Seems like the Israelites incorporated a lot of other Gods into the Warrior-God Yahweh. And after the Bronze Age ended, the Israeli recognition of the Polytheistic Pantheon disappeared after the Babylonian Exile, after this merger with traits from all these other gods into Yahweh.
When Jesus commended the Samaritan woman it’s plausible he referred to her knowing the true YHWH and not the Samaritan Pentateuch version spoken of in the video
This kind of information is very important. Wish this can reach more people so that they can understand the origins of their religions. All the info is available and clear, it’s no mystery, people need only to read.
In 1910 Ivan Panin, a Russian/ American Harvard math genius and linguistic expert, proved the Bible mathematically. Watch - Math proves the Bible. More recently a 30 year veteran cold case criminologist J. Warner Wallace proved the Bible forensically in his book, Person of Interest. His testimony would convince any jury of the veracity of the Bible. Some of the amazing things in the Bible include the prophecy of the fall of Tyre and the prophecy of Alexander the great. Bible firsts include knowing life being in the blood long before modern science, or the Bible knowing about mountains and currents in the oceans or how the earth hangs on nothing. You should know about the prophecies fulfilled by Jesus and the impossible odds of that happening. The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written down by eye witnesses during the lifetime of other eye witnesses. They report to us supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim that the writings are divine rather than human in origin.
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
The Bible has also been proven archaeologically, historically and linguistically.
I can't figure out why or how this got so complicated.
From where u got this information
I cite my sources at the end of the video.
Who wrote the books of the old testament and how are they related (or not related) to the Torah revealed to Moses?
No credible scholar believes Moses wrote the Torah.
El elohim El is the sacred name of God in hebrew and y_wh doesn't get spoken very often or mentioned in hebrew texts because it is sacred.
They have 72 names for god.
I'm learning and very curious.
It was normal for people to be traveling so eventually people left cannan.
It may be worth remembering that vowels were only added to the Hebrew language in the 7th and 8th centuries CE. Before that it was YHWH .... unknowable and unpronounceable.
@@Ridethebomb777 before Yhwh, gods name seemed to be spelled Yhw.
The curse tablet found and the stones in Israel growing yhw.
Or really, v instead of w.
Yhvh. Yhv.
@@Saints_ravenfortheRainbow Thank you for that. Its an important topic for me so I will go do some more research. Cheers.
Elohim está no plural e quer dizer os que vieram de cima?
Se sim, quem eram os que vieram de cima?
What are your sources?
It was revealed to him in a dream
@@IAmAlpharius20 what's what they all say
@@bond3161 DID YOU READ THE DESCRIPTION?
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Thanks
@@user-lz1ci2xb7q I didn't actually, thanks for pointing it out
Excellent break down. 😎
Thanks Jen!
Are you forgetting that Yahweh, as written in Genesis, existed before Abraham, and before Noah, the same God who brought the global catastrophic flood and used noah to warn? Because this argument is lacking many pieces and this is the first of which is lacking.
Where did El derive itself from Enlil the first and last letter of their God's name from Ur and sumeria the storm God who El was and is also associated to that God's attribute
Thia ia good.
Thank you! It's been two years since I've done a scripted monologue. I forgot how much work they are. You make them look so easy!
I'll have the audio issues fixed for the next one.
Did you have your mouth full, Granny or had you to fight yourself to not fully appeal to Cthulhu? (ia Ia ftaghn!) ;-p
Elohim should always be translated as lower case gods. For example Bene elohim translates as sons of false gods.
Elohim está no plural, é quer dizer os que vieram de cima?
Se sim, quem eram os que vieram de cima?
O termo god ou god's foi o melhor que os homens arranjaram para descrever entidades superiores a nós que nos criaram à sua imagem e semelhança.
Nós somos uma sua experiência, uma sua obra,no entanto não foram lá muito originais.
Esses são god, ou god's para nós.
Where can I get that poster with all the religious branches on it?
I liked that too.
i want one too
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Meh! Jus pick one and worship. Great vid!
This is the equivalent of looking at someone who obviously plagiarized someone else’s work and then being like, “Huh, I guess we’ll never know who the original is…
but it’s obviously the person who copied it wayyyyy after the other who has the original.”
Esoterica youtube channel explains this great also and lots if info
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We start with one. All for one & one is the all.
As a former Jehovah's Witnesses... actually I don't acknowledge the translation of Yahweh his name change to Jehovah actually... it makes more confusing only to me.
I feel his strong energy but I don't like the attitudes of his devoters related about the rules and using his name to manipulate and gaslighting and worse abusing other devoters and also offending everyone beliefs.
I love to worshipped him but because of toxicity of his devoters... I started to weak my faith on him because of this people. He deserves more better than this treatment using by his name.
I think everyone can be a deeply devoters even they don't go to church, they can freely communicate with Gods they want to connect.
Because I have another God I personally communicate with. Without her altar but she always look at me and have a good conversation and giving me always a protection and care.
Have a nice day everyone
Does this god you communicate with speak to you?
Two Old Dudes Production channel clearly delineates the differences. El Elyon the Most High was usurped by YAHWEH an imposter devilish god who became the spirit of the Jews and of Islam. Violent, materialistic, low character. El Elyon the Most High was the lineage of Jesus thru
Yahweh has always been evil. He always has been a narcissist who wanted to conquer earth through his (((tribe))). Whatever other goddess you worship I would stick to her and get away from him.
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There is not one god ! The lowest it goes is 3. The Bible is wrong. The Quran is wrong, the Tananch is wrong. There is a council of gods with some higher than the others. At the Tower of Babel they said "Let us go down and confuse their language" Who is us ? And just how many of these other powerful ones are there. Even the gods can`t make them one god. However, they can get the people to understand better.
Excellent !
What's up with the goatee and spatula 😂
Yahweh was a renegade Anunnaki who was punished by the Anunnaki council for violating the other gods area of control. He interfered in Egypt and in Caanan. Anunnaki are very possessive of their area of control and any violators go before the council to be judged. that is why you do not hear any more about Yahweh after around 600 BC.
Interesting
Since YHWH is a tetragrammaton, if you transliterate it back to the language preceding Hebrew you get IAUA, Isaiah 29:16 says that things were turned upside down, backwards and perverted to mean the potter's clay or potter, if you turn it back around it becomes AUAI, add a few consonants and look to Sumer
Where did it come from?! THE PRIMITIVE MINSETS OF OUR BASIC ANCESTORS IMAGINATIONS.
It's very easy to come to the conclusion that the Hebrews/Israelites and the Canaanites were one and the same. However, what about them having originated from outside of Canaan? Apparently Abraham by way of Heber was an Aramean.
According to archaeologist Jonathan N. Tubb, "Ammonites, Moabites, Israelites, and Phoenicians undoubtedly achieved their own cultural identities, and yet ethnically they were all Canaanites", "the same people who settled in farming villages in the region in the 8th millennium BCE."[5]: 13-14
There is uncertainty about whether the name "Canaan" refers to a specific Semitic-speaking ethnic group wherever they live, the homeland of this ethnic group, a region under the control of this ethnic group, or perhaps any combination of the three.
Canaanite civilization was a response to long periods of stable climate interrupted by short periods of climate change. During these periods, Canaanites profited from their intermediary position between the ancient civilizations of the Middle East-Ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia (Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, Babylonia), the Hittites, and Minoan Crete-to become city states of merchant princes along the coast, with small kingdoms specializing in agricultural products in the interior. This polarity, between coastal towns and agrarian hinterland, was illustrated in Canaanite mythology by the struggle between the storm god, variously called Teshub (Hurrian) or Ba'al Hadad (Semitic Amorite/Aramean) and Ya'a, Yaw, or Yam, god of the sea and rivers. Early Canaanite civilization was characterized by small walled market towns, surrounded by peasant farmers growing a range of local horticultural products, along with commercial growing of olives, grapes for wine, and pistachios, surrounded by extensive grain cropping, predominantly wheat and barley. Harvest in early summer was a season when transhumance nomadism was practiced-shepherds staying with their flocks during the wet season and returning to graze them on the harvested stubble, closer to water supplies in the summer. Evidence of this cycle of agriculture is found in the Gezer calendar and in the biblical cycle of the year.
was there a god before god he is a son of say there isneve r a thought on before god query
I'm curious where you read that Yahweh is the god of war in canaanite religion. Everything I've read says he was the god of metallurgy
In the end, people are fighting who got the blessing of the desert God of War and Storm. It's like the Swedes, Germans, Fins, Danish and some Polish killing each other because they claim they are the chosen people of Thor.
Yea you notice nobody ever did that in those religions
Being a "chosen person" is utter horseshit and always has been self serving egotistical crap
Judaism/Chrisianity would be better defined as monolatrous (worshipping one God), rather than monotheistic (believing in only one God). The Hebrew bible intentionally describes YHWH/YHVA using the titles of reverence for the surrounding nations surpeme deities as a polemical device. This isn’t a novel concept.
Both religions refer to God as God OF GODS.
They never deny polytheism. They only say that he's the King of kings; the primordial god.
Hinduism and Vedic beliefs contrary to popular belief ARE MONOTHEISTIC. They believe in many gods, but believe that they are MANIFESTATIONS of certain ASPECTS and QUALITIES of the Supreme God. Much in the same way that blue and red and all colors are manifestations of white light.
The Hindu TRINITY reduces these basic qualities of God into 3:
The creator aspect (Brama)
The preserver aspect (Vishnu)
The destroyer aspect (Shiva)
All 3 are further reduced until the the PRIMORDIAL God, the root of the universe, BRAMAN (not to be confused with Brama) who is what we think of when we think of "God"/The Almighty
Watch the whole video, the Israelites switched from monolatry to monotheism toward the end of the Babylonian exile.
Once I had an internet fight with few Jews telling them something similar to this, which I concluded by the Bible. The first book says nothing about the name of the creator and then all of the sudden we have Yahweh. I even told them he was probably some stupid demon, which he obviously is if he's a god of war. Which explains a lot as well. Haha, people who believe in god are really... Well sorry, stupid. Go learn quantum physics, believing in human made creatures is just stupid. And if anyone was on DMT and claiming that they saw gods, no you haven't, it's your brain. The reason why we all have similar trips is also simple, we're made of the same, our consciousness is also a copy of a copy of a copy. Just go and study quantum physics, listen to music and abandon any sense of meaning, it's not important for our existence. It's more important how we treat all life on the planet. We have morals, we're just lazy to live by them because it's easier to be greedy fuck than a responsible creature. Less fun. Scientifically proven. Brain loves laziness. That's why people rather choose to believe in god, it's much easier than being an atheist.
Great video, but there are things I want to clarify. I don’t know if you are an atheist or not, but as a Muslim I want to clarify something to you.
I am not an archeologist nor a linguistic, but The word El in ancient Semitic languages, such as Canaanite, literally means God, Lord, and the same goes for the Hebrew word Elohim in the form of exaltation, as well as for the Arabic word Allah, but the word El is used with other words to describe false gods worshiped by the pagans, such as the word El shaddai God of mountains and the word El elion God of sky and others.
Also, the word Baal in Canaanite means a god and a master, and also in the Arabic language it also means a husband. The synonym for the word master in Hebrew is Adon, and the Jews call the god Adonai, meaning my master. The Canaanites, the Phoenicians, and the Ugarians worshiped Baal and Baal Shameem, the god of the sky. Baal Hamon in Carthage, North Africa, means either a union between Baal and Amun, the god of the Egyptians and the Libyans, or it means the god of heat and fire.
Baal was the name of the greatest god who was worshiped in Canaan and Phoenicia in ancient times. The worship of Baal penetrated Jewish religious life during the time of the Judges and spread in Israel during the rule of King Ahab and the prophet Elyiah and had an influence on the Judaism .
But Jehovah’s origin is mysterious. Perhaps only Jews who are proficient in Kabbalah know his secret. There is a sect in Islam called Sufism, which is a Gnostic sect that claims religiosity but is far from religion and practices magic. While practicing certain rituals with the tambourine and drums, they pronounce the word Jehovah or Yahoo, which means in Arabic. “Ya” is a vocative noun like "Oh! " and “hoo or huwa” means the pronoun “he”. They believe that this is the greatest name of God and they think that they are summoning angels and spirits but in fact they are praising the Satan because yahoo or yahwah is a name of many names of the Satan . Only the graduated sheikhs knows that yahwah is the Satan and has nothing to do with the greatest name of God.
Sufis, are like the Jews, believe in not mentioning the name of God because it is sacred, and they use a word to refer to him, such as Hasheem in Hebrew, which means the name, and by it they mean God.
I am a Muslim from Algeria, and I am very curious. I have read many witchcraft books and also Sufi books. I have found many talismans and demon-summoning rituals that begin with Hebrew words like the ones you mentioned in this video, such as:
Ehya Shar ehya, Adonai (my master) , El sabbaoth, Tzevaoth (god of soldiers or warriors), El Shaddai.
I also read a book on summoning demons in English called The Lesser Key of King Solomon, and it contained the names of demons such as Baal, Amun, Ishtar, the same names of the gods that were worshiped in ancient times. This book is very old. The original copy is unknown when it was written, but it was written in Hebrew. As for the second copy, it was written in the middle ages and was written in Latin, and the English version came centuries later.
Rosecrans will agree . That does not detract from the fact that the only truths in your bable is some of the dates . The oldest statue of (jhvh) is in Egypt and is one of the oldest depictions of him . Your over whelping majority must include all communist along with AMORC and scientology. As an egyptologist you must know that you must first convert hieroglyph into Aramaic to read it . Or you can use ancient Greek. Also derived from Aramaic. You must also know that the "Hebrew " calendar is and remains accurate to this day . If you can answer this question , then one can assurtain that you know something of what you speak . Question , who named the months of the Hebrew calendar and when ? Today is 7 Sivan 5783 .
Check out the Lord of Spirits podcast. Definitely talks about this a lot
Theres no concensus that Yahweh comes from a prior canaanite pantheon. His origins are completely unknown.
So you know more than all these archeologists and their years of research, how?
Question where would you say or where do you think that the name , Yahweh came from. ? Did the Israelites get it from the canaanites and the canaanites got it from the Egyptians. " Shashu of Yhw " 🤔 ?
No Amenhotep III just says that he defeated a people in battle: The Shazu of Yahu. The Shazu are believed to be canaanites who worshipped Yahu/Yahweh.
El was always the father of Baal.
Not lesser.
The father of the pantheon went with them.
Yes, El was always the father, Ba'al and Yahweh his sons. When a few Canaanites split off and became the Israelites, they took Yahweh, then later conflated him with El, once they switched from monolatry to monotheism.
Well, that settles the whole "Infinite Regression" question.
You say this is the Gd of the New Testament at the beginning. Why?
The tetragrammaton is not found in any New Testament manuscript. Jesus did not use that name.
But does jesus not hold the old testament as truth and the old prophets as legit?
@@alspezial2747 .According to the bible Jesus forfilled the old covenent and replaced it with a new one. For example, Jesus taught forgiveness and turn the other cheek rather than an eye for an eye
Because the new testament is written in GREEK, not Hebrew.
The Greeks used their own words in order to understand things from foreign cultures. And any Jews/Christians who lived amongst the Greeks had to to do the same in order to preach to them
Asheroth is Ishtar also
You can not show evidence word ALLOH that written in ancient inscription before al quran reveal to prophet mohammad PUH
Coz similar does not mean same
Which Ugarit text bears the name YHWH? Just name one if you can. Elyon is a generic name for a deity, not YHWH's father.
The Ba'al Cycle, the Legend of Keret, the Tale of Aqhat, and about 50 epic poems.
You're right, El Elyon (god most high) is not a proper name, but it was most widely used by the Canaanites and later, the Hebrews.
Cricket cricket.
Tumbleweed.
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Very clear presentation. But I felt it was slightly over-simplified in places. Towards the end you make it sound as if, after the Babylonian era, Israel was exclusively monotheistic. But there is plenty of evidence that other cults still existed. Asherah worship, for example.
True. The monotheistic belief was taken from Zoroastrianism of Achaemenids , who defeated Neo Babylonians and allowed Israelites to return and build their 2nd temple. OT was written at this time. As such the only man named as messiah in OT is Cyrus the Great , the Achaemenid emperor
But there was also a pluralistic religious culture in that whole area after that. Many different religious cults.
Have any of you listened to the episode on "More than one God on the podcast, "The Ancient Tradition"? It shows how Christianity also, consists of more than one God. Very interesting.
I thought the Philistines were Minoans from Crete. So are you saying they split from other Levantine peoples and colonized the Aegean? I mean, Cyrus Gordon apparently deciphered the Linear A language to be Hamito-Semitic, so.....
The Philistines were an offshoot of the Phonecians, about 3200 BCE.
The Philistines or Peleset were Sea People and mycenean greeks.
@@MS-Melas Phonecians = the Sea People. And guess what they were before that? Canaanites.
Fantastic however how come a lessen god become so powerful.
With more worshippers.
I met Yaweh, my Father! He will wreck your bones!!!
Michael Heiser sorted all this out back in 2015 with his book Unseen Realm. Lots of “gods” (Elohim = spiritual bring) but none like Yahweh - the Most High.
Man, I wish you were my teacher in high school…
El (Enlil) was the God of the deluge and the OT says that Yahweh is the God of the flood!
24.10.2023 I was watching on the news about the war in Israel and Hamas yesterday and went to bed thinking of it, during the night a very strong wind woke me up, just like slapping the flat and a very loud thunder and lightning nearby. It sounds like a bomb and explosions. I was thingking of yahweh the storm God is reminding us that he is there watching.
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between begetting and be godding
Good video but none of this disproves Christianity or Judaism. Early hebrews we’re polytheistic, overtime they could’ve come to the realisation that they were wrong, and that there is only one true God
In conclusion, did God exist as a person or as myth?
It’s 100% a myth, and even if he was a real person, there’s no fucking way he’s anything like that of Judaism or Christianity
What this video is doing is trying to confuse Canaanite polytheistic worship vs worship of the real God, which is what God was cross with Israel for. They just kept reverting to the old gods, so this video is really just confirming what God said about them, not that the real God is not true. There are a lot of deep layers in the Bible, understanding it correctly and seeing the prophesies play out later on is the important message, not focusing on the way the Israelites mixed the real God with pagan gods, because God berated and punished them several times for exactly that. So thanks guys, you’re actually in agreement with God 🤷♀️
As an Annunaki
having too many fake version of something does not mean that there is not a real one
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