God's sovereignty and His foreknowledge are not "at odds" with our free will. God has SOVEREIGNLY created both angels and HUMAN BEINGS made in HIS image with the ability to choose. You are not cursed by God from the start, no matter who you are and no matter what you have done. If you find this statements difficult to accept, please be sure to listen to this entire message from start to finish. The bible makes it clear that PREDESTINATION is according to God's foreknowledge and NOT according to His manipulation of our choices. God made man in His image, not into something less, like a robot or a puppet. He is calling you today, many are called but few are chosen. His love and mercy are extended to ALL through Jesus Christ.
I have a struggle before me that is greater than I ever imagined... An attack is before me in the spiritual relms to destroy. A fight hard to seak the Lord Jesus... I pray and devote every thought to this fight and as it grows, so does the fight... All I need is the Lord Jesus.
there is a guy at my job who gets extremly upset and forceful to me that he is right about calvinism and predestination and i thought we were fellowship ing in christs name i didnt know christ doesnt forgive all like i thought if we get saved and repent i willtrust in jesus instead of this hateful troll to hell with calvinism
@@4jchan forget the bs from calvinism only trust and have faith in Jesus and repent and you will be saved screw calvinism its not true.but if you choose Jesus and follow him why would he reject you we can either reject Jesus or accept him because we have freewill its our choice to choose and by the way Jesus loves us so much he hopes we CHOOSE him. to hell with predestination thats the devil teaching that crap
Not true. The Bible says that He has made all things for His purpose. Even the wicked for the day of judgement. According to scripture He has predestined some to Hell.
@@dannymcmullan9375 it is true and that you rejected Jesus for something that makes you feel confident because of your belief and religion that's contrary to what Jesus taught
I cried a bit after listening to this because I believed that everything that happens, even suffering, is God's will and even started to blame him for the tragedies in the world on a subconscious level. Boy was I wrong.
Thank you for this. This is one of those topics that seems Godly because of, like you said, verses taken out of context. Thought this might help. Many times we're told to bless the lord. Paul tells us that it is beyond debate that the lesser is always blessed by the greater. So are we greater than God? It seems sacrilegious to say yes, we can bless God, but it's the truth. However it's the truth in one aspect and one aspect only, and it's by God's design and is not due to our own natural superiority. We have been given free will and God will never countermand that by programming a particular response from us because love forced is not love at all. God loves us so much and gave us the opportunity to rejoin ourselves with him, but it must a union of love. You are right. God hasn't predetermined people for Hell. That would reveal an unloving God. But few realize that predetermined spots in Heaven also reveals an unloving God because the lack of free will would mean those there would not be unions of true love. All of this is not in contradiction to what you taught here and I appreciate you for this teaching. Hardened hearts were temporary, and happened with people who had already hardened their own hearts. I could go on but don't want this to get any bigger. Thank you.
Wow this is a GLORIOUS insight and affirmation of how His design is sovereign but not manipulative. Thank you for this. Adding it to my study of this subject.
Amen, best teaching I have heard for a long time. I am the grandma that lost her 21 Yr granddaughter holding her 6 month old baby boy for 2 days after her passing. You and your sweet wife have prayed for me as I journeyed through this grieving time. Thank you brother and sister in Christ. This has been a battle in not knowing where the baby Ezra is now but God knows. Excellent teaching brother!!!!
Thank you for uploading this powerful message. Jesus will always heal, forgive and love his children. God will always show mercy to people and send them to heaven for peace. And Jesus name that I pray, Amen. 🙏🏾✝️
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Im a jesunist! So there. Calvinism alot of times is the gateway to the quenching of the spirit. It is a way of destruction. I say all the time we reverence ourself into a corner of deceived exaltation by diminishing his character in calvinism.
Exactly. I heard someone say it’s like a THEISTIC version of deterministic atheism lol. where everything is just playing out and no one’s will amounts to anything… the only difference is they say it’s GOD, almost worse eh?
He has MADE you good enough through His own sacrifice on your behalf. We could never earn it, but God SO LOVED THE WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son. The fruit of your faith will be a transformed life as you know that He has loved you from the start and EMPOWERS you to walk in newness of life. His GRACE empowers you to live pleasing to Him through His love and Spirit. But He has already made you His SON in a way you could never have earned. He is patient and merciful ❤
Thank you for this. I have been struggling with this. Something inside of me couldn’t find peace in the “predestination” doctrine. I know the Bible speaks of it but I just couldn’t make sense of it with everything else I know about God, His character and His word. God has truly spoken through you tonight!
You got a new subscriber off this video. I have been saying and believing this for years. As a child going to Bible study Monday nights, we were taught this same, horrendous dogma of Predestination and my Mom would go behind the teachings and tell me it wasn't true. It is a lie and so destructive. Great video. Thank you
Thank you guys so much for sharing this, it eases some worry about the final destination. I've often feared that I wasn't worthy and wouldn't be able to see my family in God's paradise. This video has been instrumental in understanding that's it's not necessary to be fearful anymore. Just like everyone else, I'm worthy and he loves everyone including me. Thank you so much for sharing this. May God bless your family and I look forward to more videos like this, that helps to understand that fear is not necessary if your heart's in the right place. I pray for us all, for God's guidance, blessings, strength and protection 🙏. Take care everyone, ❤️ y'all.
Hi Jonathan, thank you so much for sharing this TRUTH!!! It helped me with some questions and wonderings I was having, things I didn't understand. God bless you and your fam 🙏
Thank you for the explanation, I was starting to believe in pre-destination. I hope to soon do my fathers will and learn to completely let go of what’s not of him. In Jesus Christ amen
I agree with your teaching completely. So many are misleading others by saying they were predestined or chosen in advance of time. They ignore that at anytime they could fall apostate (by being deceived - Jesus warned 7 times of it in Matthew 24) or as Jesus warned of through John at Patmos to the 7 churches another 7 times any one of those tests, trials, and tribulations the churches were going through that mirror us and our same tests, trials, and tribulations of these days.
Exactly 🙏🏻 “and God can graft them in again if they don’t continue in unbelief.” It’s not permanent, it’s not what He determined beforehand. We can get ourselves IN His love extended to all through Jesus, keep ourselves in His love according to Jude, or fall just like you have said, according to John’s prophetic warning and also according to Hebrews and James and basically everywhere else in scripture. Bless you!
I was just wondering yesterday why you hadn't posted anything. I'm even more surprised that you brought this subject. The thought of this has discouraged me for so long. Thank you for posting. God recently showed me this verse again and I cried. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Romans 11:33 KJV
Glory to God ❤️ 🙏🏻 Means so much to me that it ministers to you! This subject has challenged me deeply and I feel confident that the weight of scripture shows a God who wants all to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.
God is not governed by time but humans are and I think we have have a hard time even trying to grasp the concept. If the Bible says that there are going to be people in hell then God knows already. He knows our end from our beginning. I think he tries to give people every opportunity to change and to experience his love for us because of his love for us. Thank you God for your grace, mercy, and patience.
I fell away from the faith and remained in a confused state of questioning and unbelief and wanted to come back to God but realized I may have crossed the line by my Beliefs and rejected Jesus. I never understood why I fell away so quickly when I thought I loved Jesus. I have been believing that Hod hates me and predestined me to hell that no matter what I did or how sorrowful I was that he hated me and wanted me to go to hell. Hearing this vidoe made me sob bevuser I needed to hear that God is love even if I can’t be saved I needed to hear this. Thank you ✝️💖 beautiful message
I truly believe in predestination and an 'election of disciples'. God is surely in control. Our Creator did not make this earth and all the peoples on it and then turn His head away and forget what His purpose was in creating this world and all upon it. He knows before, during and after creation. He formed all people from the dust in which are brought forth from the womb. He knew who would come to Him and whom would not; even before He formed us from dust and placed us in a womb of His choice. (Did God not say He raised up the Pharaoh of Egypt to do His will?) Everything done all over this planet and even in the heavens, are His choice to bring about the all encompassing glory to His Son, Yeshua, our Savior. There is nothing we think, speak or have action within that He doesn't see, hear and know. His angels encamp around everyone. They do the will of the Father and God has given them dominion to protect, guide and keep the 'elect' safe until God has determined our demise, (in which He had knowledge of even before we were formed in the womb and brought forth into the world). God allows us to have freedom of choice in our lives to do whatever we so desire UNTIL His reasons for forming us and bringing us forth into the world are ready for completion of His will. In other words, when we are 'called' by Him, we may have been one of the worst sinners of all as emissary Paul was and then the Lord stepped into Paul's life and made him usable for His honor, glory and the kingdom to come. Thanks be to the God of Glory for His choices that brought me out of the darkest slime and into His glorious light and has made me usable for His glory! HalleluYAH! Our days are numbered while alive here on this earth. Why are they numbered? Because we all serve a purpose in doing what the Father so desires in order to bring this world to a close at the end of the age and to bring forth a new world in which there will be no more sin, pain, tears or demons. Thanks be to God for His mercy on we who love Him and do His will! All of the things transpiring are soon to come to an end and all will bow on their knee and give all glory to Yeshua and this was and is God's purpose in all of this world's creation, before, during and after. May God bless us all with peace, joy and hope in Yeshua's soon return! Amen!
He refrains from manipulating their will? For a time we experience this, but to choose oneself over God is to experience his manipulation of your will after death. To be completely left outside. Outside the knowledge and presence of the one who knows all and is everywhere. Utter annihilation? You will have no will to hold on to it, and it will be completely utterly manipulated. I agree that creation itself is proof of God giving the option of christ to every created conscience. For without this act, we only have the option of separation. He is given the option of christ to those who only had the option of separation. He gives it to everyone created. Just because God gives an option to someone does not mean he doesn't know their choice. To allow is to be sovereign. He allows us to stick to our first option, separation. It is "predestined." Otherwise, there is no "allowing". You can only allow if you have power, are there, and know a thing allowed is going to happen. To miss any three requirements is not to allow. God's way is higher. If he is not at "fault" or "responsible," then we can't trust him. We are called to go to the one that is in control or ultimately responsible in our dealings. We are not to go to the devil, or ourselves, or even another person first when dealing with anything. To blame any of these with anything is to make them responsible. It is to make them the one to go to in our dealings with. God never denies responsibility. In fact, his response is usually reminding us who he is. Because that is all we need, to be reminded he is God by his definition, not ours. Go to him to seek his image. You will find it's one that doesn't need defending. It speaks for itself. Love, right, truth, perfect. Free will is a gift to those who love God and a curse to those who don't. He will allow those who choose to be cursed their whole life and die cursed. Allow being he knew, had the power to intervene, and was there watching you deny the only option he gave you, Christ. Death was chosen for you and is the option we are born into. To die of this and be reborn into Christ, or just die. How do you explain the revenge shouted for by the ones in revelation? I feel this has to do with the old self, the flesh, and all the evil, but even these things are in the end used for God's glory. But the ones that are lost, that never choose christ, or choose the world. I feel on their behalf they shout? That is truly something only God could settle. Just thoughts, btw. Love the messages. True man of God. I have seen people use your logic to switch responsibility from God to the devil, for example. They searched out the one they felt responsible... it did not end well. 😳. If you could make a video stating who is responsible and who we should turn to if not the one responsible. Why we would turn to anyone else other than the one responsible. It is possible to experience, not know God's position in its entirety from his point of view. It is okay to say, "God is who he is, and that is enough" or to pray that God reminds us of who he is instead of telling people that anyone other than God is ultimately responsible, that anyone other than God should be sought first when contemplating our dealing with. You always go to the one responsible, unless you are wicked. At least from where I stand, this is how I see it. Again, good stuff.
1:22 If some of those well-meaning people haven't at any one time, truly believed on Jesus by truly putting their trust for their salvation on Jesus *_alone,_* then they are not yet our brothers and sisters and then we still need to reach them with the _true_ gospel of grace!
We are saved by our faith and faith alone. For by grace are ye saved through faith that not of yourself lest any man shall boast. We aren't saved by works nor kept by works. You're not saved by water baptism. Nor by repentance we're not kept saved by repentance. Repentance is a state of metanoia it means you know what you have done is wrong in the eyes of a holy god, and you're asking him to help you do better to pick you up on solid ground. To help you draw closer to him so that you can be what he wants you to be in his eyes. To help you steer away from those things that you used to do that you knew were wrong. To help you draw closer to him. So that those things you used to do wrong you will no longer want to do. Again not all things will go away at once. Not all things will suddenly vanish once you have accepted christ. But the holy spirit will work in you. So that you can do better and that those things of the past that you used to do, will no longer be. Repentance does not keep you saved. It's only the acknowledgment on your part that you have done wrong in his eyes, asking him to help you do better. So you can draw closer to him. We are not kept saved by anything we do in our flesh. But by our faith and faith alone. There is nothing you can do to lose your salvation. It shall never be taken away. It is eternal. Nothing you can do can make God take your salvation away. Nor is there anything you can do or try to do to make sure you still have your salvation. It is there for eternity. Salvation is forever and ever. By the simple way of putting our faith and trust into what he has done on the cross. By simply believing.
Wow this is a beautiful powerful message.i have a friend she lost her son and she was blaming god.but I told her not to to just pray and god will deal with the people who hurt her son.
I believe it all is what God allows to happen because he is the all powerful but his position is to put everything under his submission an he does know everything before it happens he may not pull the strings but he does allow those strings to be pulled he is the shot caller no one above him he is the king. That being said Satan is the ruler of this evil earth. No its our choicet choose him that our Father he loves us enough to take us back with open arms but he wants us to make the decision he just knows wha we will choose before we do it. Great subject Jonathan & Jillian." The doctrine of christ is the most important thing in your life whether u know it or not!" David Carrico
I do however see the verse in scripture that states. That God has created vessels for honor and some for Dishonor. Just as Judas was picked and told it would be better if he wasn’t born.. 🤷🏼♂️ - Born into a calling Wether you like it or not. You were not made for yourself. I’m not endorsing the predestination, but not canceling it out. As God hasn’t shown me otherwise.
Наказание за грех смерть ,что будет с теми кто не верит в бога? немного сложно понимать все о чем вы говорите,но основная мысль в том что бог не желает отправить людей в ад🙃?
Thank you so much. Your voice, kindness and authenticity are precious and should be clearly heard and your words are powerful on their own. You should not cover them with music...
What about pharaoh and Judas? I sort of identify my self as Calvinist (but I usually tell people I'm a Bible follower because I don't like associating with most labels.) As you said in your top comment, I don't think God picks and chooses 99.9% of the time... But I believe he has the foreknowledge of those who will go to heaven because how can he not? He's God afterall. But uh, I feel like there has been times where God obviously intervened and one could say 'picked' to be saved or not be saved. For Instance, Paul. Paul was no way on track to being his disciple but God spoke to him and softened his heart. Meanwhile with pharaoh we are told multiple times that God hardened his heart. And I've had no quarrel with this because Glory to God. But, I do really believe He has appointed some to be saved and not to be saved. (No, he doesn't pick everyone out who goes to heaven. But I think with a special few he did. Likewise some were appointed to Hell.)
I appreciate the sincerity of your thought process and sympathize with it as I have wrestled painfully with all this as well. I think it is interesting that Pharaoh is said to have hardened his own heart repeatedly before the final hardenings. This is congruent with God imploring that people and nations repent and then releasing mercy or judgment according to their own response. God didn’t make the first move in Pharaoh’s pride and rebellion, but He surely judged it. I was JUST thinking about Judas on a walk after posting this video. Jesus says, “did I not choose you, the twelve, but one of you is a Devil.” So it is interesting to note that Jesus extended the same blessing, revelation, and even “choosing” to Judas as to the other disciples, but Judas became offended with Jesus when Mary anointed Him. Judas is said to have sought for an occasion to betray Jesus from that point on because he was so offended with what he considered to be The Lord’s wastefulness. This is again a moment where God foreknew that Judas would betray Him, and yet He used it for His purpose in His glorious plan and infinite wisdom. He predestined a plan of redemption according to His foreknowledge. Paul surely received a special and unusual encounter… I personally believe Paul was Judas’ replacement as an original Apostle. Steven prayed for God to have mercy on his persecutors, Paul was the one standing by “authorizing” the stoning of Steven. So yes, I think in Paul’s own words he was “born out of due season” and it was very special.
Well pharaoh had not only sinned against god and his chosen people but when given the option he openly refused through plague after plague and many signs and wonders not only that he continued in his ways. Judas on the other hand also made his decision and met with the pharasies Jesus’s betrayal and ultimate self sacrifice would’ve happened anyway no matter what man betrayed him but in Judas heart he knew who Jesus was and still sought to betray him the Bible didn’t name Jesus it just prophesied in the manner the betrayer of the messiah would die in summary god may harden someone’s heart blind theirs eyes for a time but their fate in the end is the culmination of their sin or their hood that what a man sew that shall he reap. At his judgement god didn’t say depart from me cursed into the fire prepared for you he said depart from me cursed into the fire prepared for the devil and his angels no person was meant for the flame but that they come unto him as children.
The day is coming when his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives again. He will come again for his elect, and he wants YOU! Please come back to him. Cry out, he’s waiting to hear from you.
@@mrupholsteryman my journey has ended because god obviously doesn’t care about me if he did he would have changed my life but he hasn’t so I’m done it’s entirely his fault I’m going to hell not mine that’s if he’ll exist which I honestly don’t care anymore.
God's sovereignty and His foreknowledge are not "at odds" with our free will. God has SOVEREIGNLY created both angels and HUMAN BEINGS made in HIS image with the ability to choose. You are not cursed by God from the start, no matter who you are and no matter what you have done. If you find this statements difficult to accept, please be sure to listen to this entire message from start to finish. The bible makes it clear that PREDESTINATION is according to God's foreknowledge and NOT according to His manipulation of our choices. God made man in His image, not into something less, like a robot or a puppet. He is calling you today, many are called but few are chosen. His love and mercy are extended to ALL through Jesus Christ.
I have a struggle before me that is greater than I ever imagined... An attack is before me in the spiritual relms to destroy. A fight hard to seak the Lord Jesus... I pray and devote every thought to this fight and as it grows, so does the fight... All I need is the Lord Jesus.
is this video promoting the idea that God elects people for salvation based upon God's foreknowledge of people's faith in Christ?
there is a guy at my job who gets extremly upset and forceful to me that he is right about calvinism and predestination and i thought we were fellowship ing in christs name i didnt know christ doesnt forgive all like i thought if we get saved and repent i willtrust in jesus instead of this hateful troll to hell with calvinism
@@4jchan forget the bs from calvinism only trust and have faith in Jesus and repent and you will be saved screw calvinism its not true.but if you choose Jesus and follow him why would he reject you we can either reject Jesus or accept him because we have freewill its our choice to choose and by the way Jesus loves us so much he hopes we CHOOSE him. to hell with predestination thats the devil teaching that crap
@@songofseikilos8659 excuse me but the term "predestined" is a biblical term which occurs 4 times in the new testament. Deal with it.
God wants everyone is heaven. He doesn't pick anyone for hell.
Amen. The summary of this video, and the whole bible for that matter!
Amen. This just kills predestination.
Not true. The Bible says that He has made all things for His purpose. Even the wicked for the day of judgement. According to scripture He has predestined some to Hell.
@@dannymcmullan9375 it is true and that you rejected Jesus for something that makes you feel confident because of your belief and religion that's contrary to what Jesus taught
I cried a bit after listening to this because I believed that everything that happens, even suffering, is God's will and even started to blame him for the tragedies in the world on a subconscious level. Boy was I wrong.
Thank you for this. This is one of those topics that seems Godly because of, like you said, verses taken out of context. Thought this might help. Many times we're told to bless the lord. Paul tells us that it is beyond debate that the lesser is always blessed by the greater. So are we greater than God? It seems sacrilegious to say yes, we can bless God, but it's the truth. However it's the truth in one aspect and one aspect only, and it's by God's design and is not due to our own natural superiority. We have been given free will and God will never countermand that by programming a particular response from us because love forced is not love at all. God loves us so much and gave us the opportunity to rejoin ourselves with him, but it must a union of love. You are right. God hasn't predetermined people for Hell. That would reveal an unloving God. But few realize that predetermined spots in Heaven also reveals an unloving God because the lack of free will would mean those there would not be unions of true love. All of this is not in contradiction to what you taught here and I appreciate you for this teaching. Hardened hearts were temporary, and happened with people who had already hardened their own hearts. I could go on but don't want this to get any bigger. Thank you.
Wow this is a GLORIOUS insight and affirmation of how His design is sovereign but not manipulative. Thank you for this. Adding it to my study of this subject.
Amen, best teaching I have heard for a long time. I am the grandma that lost her 21 Yr granddaughter holding her 6 month old baby boy for 2 days after her passing. You and your sweet wife have prayed for me as I journeyed through this grieving time. Thank you brother and sister in Christ. This has been a battle in not knowing where the baby Ezra is now but God knows. Excellent teaching brother!!!!
Thank you for uploading this powerful message. Jesus will always heal, forgive and love his children. God will always show mercy to people and send them to heaven for peace. And Jesus name that I pray, Amen. 🙏🏾✝️
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hard to say God wants some people to go to hell when you read that 🔥🙏🏻❤️
@@JonathanJillianaunless you actually read the verse in context. Who is the "us"? Peter tells you who it is. It's the elect of God.
I so agree! This is a frustrating topic in the church and you explained it so well!
Isolated scriptures out of context can be and have been weaponized, the Devil himself used scripture out of context when tempting Jesus.
Im a jesunist! So there. Calvinism alot of times is the gateway to the quenching of the spirit. It is a way of destruction. I say all the time we reverence ourself into a corner of deceived exaltation by diminishing his character in calvinism.
Exactly. I heard someone say it’s like a THEISTIC version of deterministic atheism lol. where everything is just playing out and no one’s will amounts to anything… the only difference is they say it’s GOD, almost worse eh?
@@JonathanJilliana i believe calvinism is one the attacks C.S Lewis was warning about in screwtapes letters.
I hope I’m enough for God and Jesus
He has MADE you good enough through His own sacrifice on your behalf. We could never earn it, but God SO LOVED THE WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son. The fruit of your faith will be a transformed life as you know that He has loved you from the start and EMPOWERS you to walk in newness of life. His GRACE empowers you to live pleasing to Him through His love and Spirit. But He has already made you His SON in a way you could never have earned. He is patient and merciful ❤
@@JonathanJilliana amen brother ❤️🙏🏼
Beautifully presented. 🙌♥️🙌
Thank you for this. I have been struggling with this. Something inside of me couldn’t find peace in the “predestination” doctrine. I know the Bible speaks of it but I just couldn’t make sense of it with everything else I know about God, His character and His word. God has truly spoken through you tonight!
You got a new subscriber off this video. I have been saying and believing this for years. As a child going to Bible study Monday nights, we were taught this same, horrendous dogma of Predestination and my Mom would go behind the teachings and tell me it wasn't true. It is a lie and so destructive. Great video. Thank you
Thank you guys so much for sharing this, it eases some worry about the final destination. I've often feared that I wasn't worthy and wouldn't be able to see my family in God's paradise. This video has been instrumental in understanding that's it's not necessary to be fearful anymore. Just like everyone else, I'm worthy and he loves everyone including me. Thank you so much for sharing this. May God bless your family and I look forward to more videos like this, that helps to understand that fear is not necessary if your heart's in the right place. I pray for us all, for God's guidance, blessings, strength and protection 🙏. Take care everyone, ❤️ y'all.
Beautiful ❤
@@hsv2809 thank you sweetie, hope you and your family receive many blessings! Sending 🙏s, ❤️ and 🤗s!
Hi Jonathan, thank you so much for sharing this TRUTH!!! It helped me with some questions and wonderings I was having, things I didn't understand. God bless you and your fam 🙏
Where the Bible is clear, we’re clear. We’re the Bible is unclear, we’re humble.
Beautiful wisdom
Amen .... This has restored my relationship with the Father, to see Jesus correctly in those areas that have been distorted and contradicted Him.
Thank you for the explanation, I was starting to believe in pre-destination. I hope to soon do my fathers will and learn to completely let go of what’s not of him. In Jesus Christ amen
He knew who would chose him or reject him woe to those who chose to reject him he is Holy
Thank you for this message, a very good reminder. Plain and simple. God bless you and your family.
Amen, brother!!! Thank you for showing people the truth from God's holy word! 🙏
I agree with your teaching completely. So many are misleading others by saying they were predestined or chosen in advance of time. They ignore that at anytime they could fall apostate (by being deceived - Jesus warned 7 times of it in Matthew 24) or as Jesus warned of through John at Patmos to the 7 churches another 7 times any one of those tests, trials, and tribulations the churches were going through that mirror us and our same tests, trials, and tribulations of these days.
Exactly 🙏🏻 “and God can graft them in again if they don’t continue in unbelief.” It’s not permanent, it’s not what He determined beforehand. We can get ourselves IN His love extended to all through Jesus, keep ourselves in His love according to Jude, or fall just like you have said, according to John’s prophetic warning and also according to Hebrews and James and basically everywhere else in scripture. Bless you!
I was just wondering yesterday why you hadn't posted anything. I'm even more surprised that you brought this subject. The thought of this has discouraged me for so long. Thank you for posting.
God recently showed me this verse again and I cried.
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Romans 11:33 KJV
Glory to God ❤️ 🙏🏻 Means so much to me that it ministers to you! This subject has challenged me deeply and I feel confident that the weight of scripture shows a God who wants all to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.
Good Word!!
Man choose to do things his own way when it goes wrong he pints finger everywhere bar at him self
God is not governed by time but humans are and I think we have have a hard time even trying to grasp the concept. If the Bible says that there are going to be people in hell then God knows already. He knows our end from our beginning. I think he tries to give people every opportunity to change and to experience his love for us because of his love for us. Thank you God for your grace, mercy, and patience.
I fell away from the faith and remained in a confused state of questioning and unbelief and wanted to come back to God but realized I may have crossed the line by my
Beliefs and rejected Jesus. I never understood why I fell away so quickly when I thought I loved Jesus. I have been believing that Hod hates me and predestined me to hell that no matter what I did or how sorrowful I was that he hated me and wanted me to go to hell.
Hearing this vidoe made me sob bevuser I needed to hear that God is love even if I can’t be saved I needed to hear this. Thank you ✝️💖 beautiful message
So so good 👍 🙌
The only thing I don't like about Calvinism is their 5 point tulip thing. I gotta say they're teaching is on point. Voddies teachings are powerful.
I truly believe in predestination and an 'election of disciples'. God is surely in control. Our Creator did not make this earth and all the peoples on it and then turn His head away and forget what His purpose was in creating this world and all upon it. He knows before, during and after creation. He formed all people from the dust in which are brought forth from the womb.
He knew who would come to Him and whom would not; even before He formed us from dust and placed us in a womb of His choice. (Did God not say He raised up the Pharaoh of Egypt to do His will?) Everything done all over this planet and even in the heavens, are His choice to bring about the all encompassing glory to His Son, Yeshua, our Savior. There is nothing we think, speak or have action within that He doesn't see, hear and know. His angels encamp around everyone. They do the will of the Father and God has given them dominion to protect, guide and keep the 'elect' safe until God has determined our demise, (in which He had knowledge of even before we were formed in the womb and brought forth into the world).
God allows us to have freedom of choice in our lives to do whatever we so desire UNTIL His reasons for forming us and bringing us forth into the world are ready for completion of His will. In other words, when we are 'called' by Him, we may have been one of the worst sinners of all as emissary Paul was and then the Lord stepped into Paul's life and made him usable for His honor, glory and the kingdom to come. Thanks be to the God of Glory for His choices that brought me out of the darkest slime and into His glorious light and has made me usable for His glory! HalleluYAH!
Our days are numbered while alive here on this earth. Why are they numbered? Because we all serve a purpose in doing what the Father so desires in order to bring this world to a close at the end of the age and to bring forth a new world in which there will be no more sin, pain, tears or demons. Thanks be to God for His mercy on we who love Him and do His will! All of the things transpiring are soon to come to an end and all will bow on their knee and give all glory to Yeshua and this was and is God's purpose in all of this world's creation, before, during and after. May God bless us all with peace, joy and hope in Yeshua's soon return! Amen!
He refrains from manipulating their will? For a time we experience this, but to choose oneself over God is to experience his manipulation of your will after death. To be completely left outside. Outside the knowledge and presence of the one who knows all and is everywhere. Utter annihilation? You will have no will to hold on to it, and it will be completely utterly manipulated.
I agree that creation itself is proof of God giving the option of christ to every created conscience. For without this act, we only have the option of separation. He is given the option of christ to those who only had the option of separation. He gives it to everyone created. Just because God gives an option to someone does not mean he doesn't know their choice. To allow is to be sovereign. He allows us to stick to our first option, separation. It is "predestined." Otherwise, there is no "allowing". You can only allow if you have power, are there, and know a thing allowed is going to happen. To miss any three requirements is not to allow.
God's way is higher. If he is not at "fault" or "responsible," then we can't trust him. We are called to go to the one that is in control or ultimately responsible in our dealings. We are not to go to the devil, or ourselves, or even another person first when dealing with anything. To blame any of these with anything is to make them responsible. It is to make them the one to go to in our dealings with. God never denies responsibility. In fact, his response is usually reminding us who he is. Because that is all we need, to be reminded he is God by his definition, not ours. Go to him to seek his image. You will find it's one that doesn't need defending. It speaks for itself. Love, right, truth, perfect.
Free will is a gift to those who love God and a curse to those who don't. He will allow those who choose to be cursed their whole life and die cursed. Allow being he knew, had the power to intervene, and was there watching you deny the only option he gave you, Christ. Death was chosen for you and is the option we are born into. To die of this and be reborn into Christ, or just die.
How do you explain the revenge shouted for by the ones in revelation? I feel this has to do with the old self, the flesh, and all the evil, but even these things are in the end used for God's glory. But the ones that are lost, that never choose christ, or choose the world. I feel on their behalf they shout? That is truly something only God could settle.
Just thoughts, btw. Love the messages. True man of God. I have seen people use your logic to switch responsibility from God to the devil, for example. They searched out the one they felt responsible... it did not end well. 😳. If you could make a video stating who is responsible and who we should turn to if not the one responsible. Why we would turn to anyone else other than the one responsible.
It is possible to experience, not know God's position in its entirety from his point of view. It is okay to say, "God is who he is, and that is enough" or to pray that God reminds us of who he is instead of telling people that anyone other than God is ultimately responsible, that anyone other than God should be sought first when contemplating our dealing with. You always go to the one responsible, unless you are wicked. At least from where I stand, this is how I see it.
Again, good stuff.
Thank you for your words it touched my heart and soul.
Jesus is working in you in the Holy Spirit. Grace and Peace with us in the Lord Jesus.
1:22 If some of those well-meaning people haven't at any one time, truly believed on Jesus by truly putting their trust for their salvation on Jesus *_alone,_* then they are not yet our brothers and sisters and then we still need to reach them with the _true_ gospel of grace!
I know that if a day is as a thousand years to Him. A second of His suffering is as an eternity. Shalom brother.
Perfect love doesn't force you to choose.
Excellent video. Thank you brother!!
You should read the book “return of Gods” by Jonathan cahn
God would have everyone to be with Him for eternity. that no one would perish Hh has no joy in sending anyone into hell
He says its a free gift yet u can lose your salvation what would u call that
Jesus was not a calvinist by the way
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Thank you Lord for your servant.
Thankyou so much!!!! YES. IF IT'S NOT LIGHT IT'S DARK.
We are saved by our faith and faith alone. For by grace are ye saved through faith that not of yourself lest any man shall boast.
We aren't saved by works nor kept by works.
You're not saved by water baptism. Nor by repentance we're not kept saved by repentance.
Repentance is a state of metanoia it means you know what you have done is wrong in the eyes of a holy god, and you're asking him to help you do better to pick you up on solid ground. To help you draw closer to him so that you can be what he wants you to be in his eyes.
To help you steer away from those things that you used to do that you knew were wrong. To help you draw closer to him. So that those things you used to do wrong you will no longer want to do.
Again not all things will go away at once. Not all things will suddenly vanish once you have accepted christ.
But the holy spirit will work in you. So that you can do better and that those things of the past that you used to do, will no longer be.
Repentance does not keep you saved.
It's only the acknowledgment on your part that you have done wrong in his eyes, asking him to help you do better. So you can draw closer to him.
We are not kept saved by anything we do in our flesh. But by our faith and faith alone.
There is nothing you can do to lose your salvation.
It shall never be taken away. It is eternal. Nothing you can do can make God take your salvation away.
Nor is there anything you can do or try to do to make sure you still have your salvation. It is there for eternity.
Salvation is forever and ever. By the simple way of putting our faith and trust into what he has done on the cross. By simply believing.
Wow this is a beautiful powerful message.i have a friend she lost her son and she was blaming god.but I told her not to to just pray and god will deal with the people who hurt her son.
I believe it all is what God allows to happen because he is the all powerful but his position is to put everything under his submission an he does know everything before it happens he may not pull the strings but he does allow those strings to be pulled he is the shot caller no one above him he is the king. That being said Satan is the ruler of this evil earth. No its our choicet choose him that our Father he loves us enough to take us back with open arms but he wants us to make the decision he just knows wha we will choose before we do it. Great subject Jonathan & Jillian." The doctrine of christ is the most important thing in your life whether u know it or not!" David Carrico
I believe he dose its all through out the bible
"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day" - Jesus (John 6:44)
Amen.🙏
I do however see the verse in scripture that states. That God has created vessels for honor and some for Dishonor. Just as Judas was picked and told it would be better if he wasn’t born.. 🤷🏼♂️ - Born into a calling Wether you like it or not. You were not made for yourself.
I’m not endorsing the predestination, but not canceling it out. As God hasn’t shown me otherwise.
It’s more complicated than we think I reckon. That’s why we are not God.
Great teaching! Thanks for this!
Thank you so much
Наказание за грех смерть ,что будет с теми кто не верит в бога? немного сложно понимать все о чем вы говорите,но основная мысль в том что бог не желает отправить людей в ад🙃?
Yeah what's with the people calling themselves chosen ones? Could you explain?
Thank you so much.
Your voice, kindness and authenticity are precious and should be clearly heard and your words are powerful on their own. You should not cover them with music...
May this video get millions of views!
What about pharaoh and Judas? I sort of identify my self as Calvinist (but I usually tell people I'm a Bible follower because I don't like associating with most labels.)
As you said in your top comment, I don't think God picks and chooses 99.9% of the time... But I believe he has the foreknowledge of those who will go to heaven because how can he not? He's God afterall.
But uh, I feel like there has been times where God obviously intervened and one could say 'picked' to be saved or not be saved. For Instance, Paul. Paul was no way on track to being his disciple but God spoke to him and softened his heart. Meanwhile with pharaoh we are told multiple times that God hardened his heart. And I've had no quarrel with this because Glory to God. But, I do really believe He has appointed some to be saved and not to be saved. (No, he doesn't pick everyone out who goes to heaven. But I think with a special few he did. Likewise some were appointed to Hell.)
I appreciate the sincerity of your thought process and sympathize with it as I have wrestled painfully with all this as well. I think it is interesting that Pharaoh is said to have hardened his own heart repeatedly before the final hardenings. This is congruent with God imploring that people and nations repent and then releasing mercy or judgment according to their own response. God didn’t make the first move in Pharaoh’s pride and rebellion, but He surely judged it. I was JUST thinking about Judas on a walk after posting this video. Jesus says, “did I not choose you, the twelve, but one of you is a Devil.” So it is interesting to note that Jesus extended the same blessing, revelation, and even “choosing” to Judas as to the other disciples, but Judas became offended with Jesus when Mary anointed Him. Judas is said to have sought for an occasion to betray Jesus from that point on because he was so offended with what he considered to be The Lord’s wastefulness. This is again a moment where God foreknew that Judas would betray Him, and yet He used it for His purpose in His glorious plan and infinite wisdom. He predestined a plan of redemption according to His foreknowledge. Paul surely received a special and unusual encounter… I personally believe Paul was Judas’ replacement as an original Apostle. Steven prayed for God to have mercy on his persecutors, Paul was the one standing by “authorizing” the stoning of Steven. So yes, I think in Paul’s own words he was “born out of due season” and it was very special.
Well pharaoh had not only sinned against god and his chosen people but when given the option he openly refused through plague after plague and many signs and wonders not only that he continued in his ways. Judas on the other hand also made his decision and met with the pharasies Jesus’s betrayal and ultimate self sacrifice would’ve happened anyway no matter what man betrayed him but in Judas heart he knew who Jesus was and still sought to betray him the Bible didn’t name Jesus it just prophesied in the manner the betrayer of the messiah would die in summary god may harden someone’s heart blind theirs eyes for a time but their fate in the end is the culmination of their sin or their hood that what a man sew that shall he reap. At his judgement god didn’t say depart from me cursed into the fire prepared for you he said depart from me cursed into the fire prepared for the devil and his angels no person was meant for the flame but that they come unto him as children.
the father wishes none shall perish
This was really good
I’m already on the road to hell so it doesn’t even matter I tried and called to god everyday and know I don’t call out to him at all so whatever
The day is coming when his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives again. He will come again for his elect, and he wants YOU! Please come back to him. Cry out, he’s waiting to hear from you.
Are you still on your journey of questioning how God can help?
@@mrupholsteryman my journey has ended because god obviously doesn’t care about me if he did he would have changed my life but he hasn’t so I’m done it’s entirely his fault I’m going to hell not mine that’s if he’ll exist which I honestly don’t care anymore.