How Speedrunners Skip Cave Johnson's Lemon Rant
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2020
- Because thats what you do when life gives you lemons....
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I just want to note that the speedrun strat in this video has been possible for a long time through quick save and quick load abuse strategies. This video covers the newer findings that allow it to be used in a single segment speedrun, which makes it valid for leaderboard runs.
Music used (in order):
Portal 2 OST - Robot Waiting Room #4
Portal 2 OST - Robot Waiting Room #3
Portal 2 OST - Science is Fun
Ducktales (NES) - The Moon Theme
Typography video referenced: • Typography | Cave John...
Routers:
Krzyhau - / @krzyhau
NeKz - / xxxnexuslpxxx
iVerb - / iverbwheniverb
PerOculos - / uberblue2you
Special thanks to baister09, Revolucion, Blueye95, and Lmjacks2 for looking over the video.
This video is not an actual speedrun world record, nor a speedrun tutorial. This video is a showcase of a speedrun strategy that goes in-depth to the various glitches and bugs that make the strategy possible.
#Speedrun #SpeedrunSchool 
Игры
"Speedy thing goes in, Scripted Momentum comes out." - Devs
hooray for trigger_catapults
"You can’t explain that." - Bill O'Reily
“Knife goes in, guts come out.”
-Bart Simpson
@@RandomNameLastName811
Controversial opinion, but I respect it.
@@theamazingcatwizard3654 Spare my life, and I will grant you three wishes!
this is ironically what cave would've wanted.
I like your style, you make up your own rules just like me
Yeah this is a perfect example of ignoring life's lemons
We make our own science!
Science isn’t about why it’s about why not
@@imafaux7424 no, its about "what if" because if it was really about why not then alot of stuff couldve been prevented in games by simply asking "why should we not do this?"
the triggers for being flung out of portals shows me that my entire life was a lie
The life is a lie
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@Michael Otten ^lmao wtf
@Michael Otten imagine being mad that a video game looks cool
@Michael Otten What's wrong with the triggers? Obviously the player has already found the intended solution to a level, missing the fling by mere centimeters would just serve as a source of frustration to the player. It doesn't take away from the gameplay experience to slightly correct their angle so that they land where they're supposed to
when life gives you lemons, we skip the lemons :)
Reviving a bunch of lemons from life seems like hand holding to me. At Aperture, we make all our lemons* from scratch.
*Aperture Science Innovators are required by law to inform that ingestion of Aperture Lemons might cause shortness of breath, persistent dry cough or heart stop.
yes
When live gives you lemons, refuse the lemons.
Cave does say to make life take its lemons back
Cave Johnson: I'MMA GONNA BLOW YOU UP WITH MY FLAMMABLE LEMONS IF YOU SAY THAT AGAIN!!!
“But since life gave us lemons, we made lemonade.”
Cave Johnson: “GET OVER HERE, YOURE FIRED.”
THEN I RE-HIRE YOU AND FIRE YOU AGAIN!
YES. YOU. BOX YOUR STUFF. OUT THE FRONT DOOR. PARKING LOT. CAR. GOODBYE.
@@ctb3335 Not you, test subject, you're doing fine.
I DONT WANNA SEE LEMONADE AGAIN!
*Accidentally sips lemonade instead of coffee* Mmm this good, WAIT A SECOND!!!
@@InductionFrog that sounds like something cave would do
Whe Cave Johnson gives you a lemon speech, you make Cave Johnson take the lemon speech back!
You make Cave Johnson rue the day he decided to give you a lemon speech!
In fact your gonna make a combustible speech that will burn his house down !
I don't want your darn speech what am I supposed to do with this !?!
“...and threw every piece into a fire”
@GLaDOS Well here we are again.
@@Mr_Snek Remember when you tried to kill me twice?
"you may be wondering what im doing all of this super portaling for, and i do build up speed for 12 hours."
Well, Cave "Henry" Johnson, hear me out.
But first let me tell you about Parallel Universes.
@@livedandletdie the perpetual testing initiative
oh no
every copy of portal 2 is personalized
"I don't want your damn lemons!" -speedrunners
Pretty much.
Maybe that quote was a hint about the glitch. The only thing is that unless you know about it you would never catch it. That is clever.
Charles Hines you are REALLLLLY reaching with that
@@superl8296 is it though? think about the attention to detail valve has (see "this is the part where he kills us).
Patrese Hudgins see that’s different I really doubt they intended for that glitch to be there let alone reference it
As a kid, I used to "casually (glitchless) speedrun" the game, not that I actually knew what speedrunning was... I just wanted to play the game over and over with my personal best times. I absolutely noticed small things like the propel correction on the stairs-landing, but it's so nice to actually hear it technically explained! Thank you man :)
cool!
I feel betrayed by the scripted momentum
yeah, they should've at least made a hard mode. nobody wants to play with handicaps helping them. it's like auto-aim or aim-assist in video games. it takes away from the skill you can acquire.
I mean portal is mainly a puzzle game. its about figuring out where to put portals more so than getting the exact right velocity through a portal. at least, IMHO
@@DlcEnergy of course sometimes you need momentum through a portal, but then its more about falling from the right height or something to get that momentum. Its about figuring out the momentum, not perfectly acheiveing it.
I agree with the sentiment here. The heart of Portal is basically "here's this tool and set of mechanics, master using it, then use it to conquer these challenges". Turns out in Portal 2 that's all a farce, you never actually have to master the tool or the mechanics, just get the vague idea and the game auto-succeeds you and whisks you to the next trial. That's a bit deflating.
@@jetison333 obviously you wouldn't need some "exact" momentum. do you expect to just skim your feet right at the edge? lmao you always overshoot the edge. the setups are already "scripted" in the design of the level. just like how you gain enough momentum to trigger it in the first place.
i think the scripted momentum was just to make the jump look cleaner and land you in the exact position they wanted. otherwise they could easily make you gain more momentum. (change the setups a tad)
although it doesn't really matter anyway, we agree on that. lol
Well technically, when life gave us lemons, we gave those lemons back. We got mad and said "I don't want your damn lemons." And we skipped them.
The lemon speech is literally my yearbook quote
Awesome
I NEED a picture of this, I must see it. It sounds too good to be true.
Please show it to us!
im sure you didnt get the whole thing in, which part did you use?
@@KitKatHexe ok but do you also need pictures of spiderman perhaps?
"since life gave us lemons, we made lemonade"
well, you would've made lemon grenades if you hadn't skipped the speech
The difference between lemonade and lemenades.
Maybe lemonade is just a lemon grenade
(From lemon and “nade” in grenade)
There's a couple of major lacks of information in this video that needs to be pointed out:
1) "Lemon Skip" was originally routed back in 2013 mainly by iVerb, soon after Super Reportal was found, and it required save loading. That's why, until recently, this route wasn't used in runs, because save-load abuse is against the rules of NoSLA (previously Single Segmented) runs - we didn't have a way to reproduce this route without save loading. Seems like an important thing to mention, since you actually credited iVerb in the video description.
2) Single-segmented way of super-reportalling was found in 2014 by NeKz, but it allowed you to get stuck for a really short period of time. Although in NeKz's NoSLA Super Reportal video you could see him stuck deep enough once, noone could reproduce it until 2019, when a bunch of routers, including bill_play3 and me, figured out a semi-consistent way to get stuck deeper by walking into a stuck spot with specific angle (we're calling it clip stuck). This discovery itself makes half of the Lemon Skip and I feel like it didn't get deserved recognition.
Overall, nice video. Let me know if you're planning on making some more.
Edit: spelling
My guy that’s crazy but idunrememberaskin
@@PhoenixPalmer88 no u lol
@@PhoenixPalmer88 its a correction, not answering question.
Mvp Killer My guy that’s crazy but idunrememberaskin
@@PhoenixPalmer88 That's crazy dude but idunrememberaskin
great day to be an msushi fan
isn’t that every day
Illumina?!
Hi!
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Well hello there
I DID feel like the velocity on some obvious spots were scripted when playing the game through. It was often going suspicionsly slow to be flung THAT smoothly -type of thing. Thank you for confirming this.
"So when life gave is lemons, we made lemonade" - and this is a prefect proof that you skipped the rant lmao
Fun fact: In the room of the Lemon Rant you can skip the Lemon Rant itself by solving the puzzle in a different way and landing further down the walkway, never hitting the trigger. For my first couple of playthrought, this was the solution I came up with so I never heard this rant
This was rly informative, amazing stuff man !
Wait the pr0tal watches this channel?! THE PR0TAL!
Really?
This dude can’t even spell portal correctly lmfao
@@ubaidsamad4526 that's fucking insane!!!! did you know that cave johnson is gay by any chance? :)
who is pr0tal
Such a great video, good job!
Uh
Holy Shit
*I PLAY PORTAL 2 EVERDAY*
That's about the last person I expected to see in this comment section
Lemmons yep
i don't want your damn lemons, i want my 20 seconds
...but the lemon rant is one of the best dialogue parts of the game, who the heck would want to skip it?
who knows the ways of the speede runner
skip is skip
@@superr6films482 ...but lemon rant
@@DistortedMemories555 when life gives you lemonade you give it back to life
@@superr6films482 ...but combustible lemon
im aware of the audio bugs at 3:32 and 3:56, dont know how that happened but i guess gonna have to deal with it 😔
i cant even hear anything wrong at the timestamps?
Neither can I?
@@NotPython maybe he fixed it because you can do stuff like that in youtube
@@NotPython the audio got a bit muffled there i think
I don’t hear anything wrong
"We need to get stuck"
Step sister's laundry machine: *Now this looks like a job for me*
In some spanish-speaking countries, getting stuck is slang for getting high.
@@kebien6020 "step bro I'm stuck!"
"Yeah sis lemme get the cocaine and drugs"
"But since life gave us lemons, we made lemonade."
No you didn't.
You made life take the lemons back. Got mad. You didn't want life's damn lemons, what the hell were you supposed to do with them? You saw life's manager. You made life rue the day it thought it could give the Portal 2 community lemons. Do you know we are? We're the fans who burned life's house down. With the lemons. We got our engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns life's house down.
I love how the triggers are yellow, like lemons
To keep Cave away.
I hate it because it's yellow, like lemons
Portal 2: *exists*
Speedrunners: "I don't want your damn lemons, wnat am i supposed to do with these?!?!"
I love this format! it's really interesting to see specific speedrunning techniques explained, and practically dismantling the limits of the source engine. Good job man :)
Really nice production quality and care to fully explain glitches here, good job!
This is such a good video! I’d love to see more edited content in this style soon.
i have like 600 hours on portal 2 and i still learned so much from this wow
Over 2000 hours, also learned.
Thomas Galea How do you play for that much? I love the game and have finished it a few times, but surely it must get old?
@@thatssofetch3481 Owned since release. Favourite game ever. Steam version has community content.
Pretty easy with all those factors.
The Source Engine is so abusable...
I love it.
This is legitimately one of the most well-written, composed, and conceived videos I've seen on RUclips on any topic. I hope you are proud of it!
Yes! Thank you for this, been trying to find how this is done for a while now.
Great video! I haven't heard someone explain how Lemon Skip works this clearly before.
i really hope more videos like this come out. nice job Msushi!
Wow, I had no idea scripted momentum was a thing in this game and I've played it loads. They hid it well
Nine years and over 200 hours of playing this game, and I'm still learning so much about it
"But since life gave us lemons, we skipped them."
Just found your channel, and I'm currently watching all your videos. I love the concept of your content!
Learned more about how to speedrun portal 2 here then in the long hour long guides, lol. Nice vid!
okay so back a few years i heard that there was a cool skip i could do and being the lazy me, i did it, im sad i havent heard the lemon speech, so im making it my duty to complete the game with as little hints as possible and will fully experience it
this is a very interesting and informative video! I was wondering though: how do people achieve going outside the trigger for exactly 1 tick? maybe im just dumb but it's not really clear to me, I imagine just jumping is too slow
It looks like the trigger is at an angle, so that would make it possible. By jumping at the exact right distance from the trigger, your hitbox will stop intersecting with the lowest point for a while, but it will stop intersecting with the highest point for exactly 1 frame, specifically the frame where your vertical momentum stops.
@@misirtere9836 This is exactly it. If you line yourself up pefectly distant from the portal (.05 hammer units of leeway [which is very small, normal walking speed is about 175 hammer units per second]), the apex of your jump will be perfectly out of the trigger for the precise time of one tick.
You can't just jump anywhere in the trigger and have it work, theres a specific lineup.
@@paveldrotar4493 my bad haha, fixed it
@@Msushi whats a "hammer unit"?
@@mrnerd3143 A hammer unit is the smallest grid size in the hammer editor, ever used the puzzlemaker in game? Those blocks you can edit in there are 128 units big, to get a reference of how small half a unit is.
Radio with the Moon Theme at the end was a nice touch :]
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
I like how he says it's the lemon rant but its just the level
not many people can skip like half the level
Speedrunners: "I don't want your damn lemons. What am I supposed to do with these?!"
this is so well made! good job :)
I like how the song beat drops when he gets launched onto the catwalk. Nice touch.
We did it. We made life take the lemons back.
Finding out this game has scripted momentum is like finding out santa clause isnt real
congratz on WR! was a awesome stream!
this is an awesome video. you deserve way more subs
When life gave us lemons, we made lemonade.
_Cave Johnson disliked that_
In portal 2 there's a certain quote where Cave Johnson talks about lemons people really really liked this quote videos like these have 2.5 million views naturally glitch hunters and speedrunners craft ways of getting around this dialoge the whole basis of the skip comes from the fact that this catwalk that the player walks on after triggering the speech is visible from the start of the level in addition to skipping the infamous lemon dialogue getting on this catwalk early would result in skipping a large portion of the test chamber of course our first asset is the portal gun but sometimes that doesn't work and we have to think with more than just portals let me introduce to you a glitch called the reportal in order to stop the player from accessing cheeky angles using portals the game will push you out of a portal if a new portal is placed this gives the player a 200 velocity push out of the portal we can use this portal push in unintended ways to cross gaps easily or just generally gain a larger amount of speed this is called a reportal however what if the player was stuck what I mean by that is what if the player's velocity increased by 200 but they didn't move away from the portal if a player wasn't in obstructed stuck state what would happen if they attempted to perform a reportal this is how a glitch called the super reportal works the player first has to get stuck in some way once stuck the player can shoot a portal in a way that the portals hitbox collides with the player but far enough away that the player won't travel through the portal this is so the player will receive the 200 velocity speed boost from the portal but won't become unstuck as a result of traveling through the portal when the blue portal is placed like this placing an orange portal performs a reportal you get 200 velocity added to your speed but you're still stuck this is the super reportal the orange portal can be placed as many times as you would like and every time the player gets an additional 200 velocity then you can replace your blue portal and all of your speed gets released with this glitch you can build a seemingly infinite amount of speed surely we could use this to somehow get on the catwalk right well let's go back to the first requirement of the super reportal glitch we need to get stuck this is where NeKz comes into the picture NeKz discovered that through placing a portal behind a file cabinet in the office portion of the level it is possible to abuse a faulty collision and get stuck once the player replaces a portal the game attempts to correct the player's position but it fails as the player clips into the wall this is exactly what we needed to try the super reportal glitch at least that's what we thought scripted momentum is a game mechanic that is all around portal 2 but you can play this game multiple times and still never recognize it go to any level in portal 2 and then type in the developer console show triggers underscore toggle these yellow blocks known as triggers will consume your screen triggers do a lot of things but for the sake of this video we're just going to talk about trigger catapults trigger catapults are triggers that well catapult you once you enter the trigger the game gives you velocity in a certain direction the best example of these trigger catapults are the aerial faith plate but there are other examples have you ever considered attempting a fling in portal 2 and thought there's no way this is gonna work then seeing the fling succeed almost perfectly that's because of a special kind of trigger catapult known as scripted momentum there's a trigger catapult here but it only triggers if you have a certain range of velocity basically it will correct your speed so that you can perfectly make the fling take for instance the fling on the very map that were theorycrafting when building up speed all the way at the furthest point of a propulsion gel the fling will succeed with flying colors and you'll land perfectly on the stairs however if you restart this fling right before the Crushers the fling still works and not only does it work but you land on the exact same spot on the stairs this doesn't make sense you should have much much less speed you can even do a peculiar strafe here to get the same fling obviously this is due to scripted momentum there's a trigger right here on the slope it will boost you to the staircase if the players velocity is between 660 and 1230 this is a great feature for the casual experience but it really screws up the trick when we attempt a super reportal and reach the speed threshold we just get spat out onto the stairs so in order to build up an ample amount of speed we're gonna need to circumvent the scripted momentum trigger in some way this is where a rare extraordinaire Krzyhau comes into the picture he found out that it is possible to actually disable the trigger catapult by exiting the trigger for exactly one tick or one sixtieth of a second the trigger catapult will get incredibly confused the trigger is left in a frozen state the game knows you're in the trigger but it doesn't properly track your speed the only way to fix this frozen state is to exit and re-enter the trigger however this bug is perfect for our case if the trigger never updates our speed we can simply disable it with a very low speed and then build up speed as we please now with all these steps combined we can attempt the super reportal first we get stuck then after shooting a minimum of 14 portals against the wall we have enough speed when released our speed is directed perpendicularly to the slope through sloping off of the circular silo the majority of the players horizontal velocity can be halted but not the players vertical velocity with some small strafing in air the player is able to make it to the catwalk with height to spare now it's time for takeoff notably this skip has been named lemon skip and saves about 20 seconds in the portal 2 speedruns as it bypasses a lengthy elevator ride as well as a small test chamber however I much rather value the skip as a wonder of the source engine as there are so many reasons why this trick shouldn't work but since life gave us lemons we made lemonade
Wow this is the longest comment I’ve ever seen but I don’t regret reading it
why?
Why tho
@@Jeff-bm7mg why not?
@@Jeff-bm7mg welp, this could be used as a subtitle for the video :v
I always wondered about this specific skip, thanks for the explanation
These are really good videos.
"building up infinite speed"
portal 2 parallel universes????
well parallel universes are because of overflowing the coordinates for collision testing. If this could even be still a thing. It would be a lot further away, as we dont use this tiny numbers anymore.
I love how Valve added something to prevent an exploit, but then that thing created a new exploit
Great video man!
Amazing production quality
When life gives you lemons, end the run cuz you didn't do the lemon skip.
You should've ended with, "'Cause when life gives us lemons, we made life take the lemons back."
Your DuckTales outtro moon level music is so meta. Thank you.
First video I've seen of yours, at it's really good and informative. Do keep it up! Earned a new sub! :)
I accidentally did that in my playthrough ;-;
Well, I didn't do it how it's done in this video, but I somehow accidentally skipped the lemon rant. No idea how.
When life gives you lemons you use them for a glitch in a speed run than make lemonade
I just found this channel and it legendary i know so much more about portal than I ever have this guy a legend
Amazing video. This is quality content 👌 i really loved it
That main part of science is fun kicking in when you demonstrate the glitch was so epic
I love his lemon rant
It brings out so much character
Very well made
The ducktales video game music is so nostalgic for me, thank you putting that in the background
I unironically got the slap chop ad before this video and watched the whole thing. I didn't even know they were still using that ad!
Wonderfully fitting how much science went into speedrunning this game.
When life gives you lemons, become demon and disassociate from words
*never in life did i think to watch a random speedrun technique and get so much joy out of it*
Very nice well made video, subscribed :)
Sick video mate.
Lovely video!
That was am awesome outro!!
Cave to the speedrunners:
"I'M THE MAN WHO'S GONNA BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN!"
*"WITH THE LEMONS"*
wow this is well done!
I know this video is about speedrunning techniques, but I'm amazed that there are triggers to correct your speed. I've played through the game and never ever give a single thought about how I can always perfectly land those jumps. But this is actually genious! An invisible helper, making the player think they are good. WOW!
Ohh and about the main topic: interesting. I totally gave up on even just watching Portal speedruns, when I learned, that the best speedruns are mostly out of bounds. :( (I'm generally interested in speedrunning, but that's just to fast for me.)
The icing on the, uh... cake is the quote at the end about, eh... lemons of course!
I love these videos
Very cool video. Very cool!
After the video:
Cave Johnson : what did you just make lemonade how dare you I’m going to make combustible lemons to burn down your house
i love your outro
Pretty neat, I've never done any real speedrunning stuff outside beating all my friends timescores in challenge mode, but I can see that being a pretty good time save on the elevator.
I wouldn't ever wanna skip this quote obviously. It's absolutely beautiful.
1:54 *flashbacks* to half A presses
A lemon rant is a lemon rant, you can't say its only a skipped lemon rant
I love the lemon rant
The lemon rant is the best! Demand to see life's manager!
You earned a new subrcriber
Damn, still learning things about my favorite game
Now you're thinking with portals!
I love the lemon segment
Portal 2 makes you nostalgic even if you just played it. The setting design and music at perfect
5:30 I have no doubts that it was on purpose, but I wanna appreciate the timing of the music there. That was fucking ace!
Noticed that the song play ing at the end credits for this video is,"The Moon ," from ducktales.