Big Ben vs. Eli Manning: Which QB had a better career? First Take debates
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Big Ben vs. Eli Manning: Which QB had a better career? First Take debates
Stephen A. Smith, Damien Woody and Dan Orlovsky debate whether Ben Roethlisberger or Eli Manning had a better career following Big Ben officially announcing his retirement after 18 seasons with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Its interesting Molly is not interrupting Dan when he's talking cause she agrees.
Do you interrupt people you agree with ? lol
@@seymourbutts4654 the point went over your head. She’s a moderator. But instead she thinks she’s a debator
And that’s the only thing interesting about her
@@BG33917 If she engages in the debate all the time than she isn't a moderator at all. She's just part of the show.
@@seymourbutts4654 she's a moderator bro that's why she ask questions when she debates the ignore her 😂
There’s no way this is an actual debate
It’s Ben, easy.
Your right. It’s Eli and it shouldn’t be a debate
@@markjones2854 I guess there’s debate 😂
@@markjones2854 that New York rangers logo shows some bias (;
@@mr5timewcwchamp How is it biased? Can I say the same thing for Steeler fans who say Ben was better
Do they understand English??? Moment does not equal CAREER. If they're talking about the 2 SBs, heck Foles has an MVP against Brady....
Thank you. It's pretty simple
Ben is going into the Hall, no brainer. Eli induction is questionable. I'm not saying he want, but it's not automatic. With that being said Ben was the better of the two.
How is this even a conversation?? Ben made the playoffs twice as much as Eli, better stats, more wins, played in the toughest division in football for years and had to deal with Brady, Manning, Rivers and Flacco. The AFC was way tougher than the NFC during their careers. What a joke!
Eli can’t play qb and GM, you can’t name a hall of fame offensive talent that he had ?
I love how they always talk about the David tyree catch but they forgetting that perfect pass to Santonio Holmes in triple coverage for a game winning TD in SB 43 ?
Lmao the Manningham pass was better
@@charlesbuckley5615 no it wasn't. Ben had to throw a perfect pass over three Cardinals defenders in a perfect spot for Holmes to make the tip toe TD catch.
Nobody forgot that it’s one of the most famous moments in Super Bowl history. It’s just that most people give the credit to Holmes when it reality is was a pretty easy catch (by NFL standards) of a pass that was absolutely perfect. You’re right. That throw was way more impressive than the catch. That whole game winning drove was good decisions and good throws.
2011 Giants had a bottom 2 o-line and a bottom half defense.... Btw, in 2007, the Giants defense was also bottom half. People are misremembering just because of the sacks. Sacks are great, but stretched over a season is far and few in-between. Not only that, the Giants did not have a good pass blocking o-line. They had a great run blocking one though. Don't conflate pass blocking and run blocking.
The Giants have not been a good organization. Anything that was good left when Wellington handed the reins over to his son.
In 2011 the giants still had Chris Snee, David Diel, David Bass & Kareem McKenzie and were a top 15 o line. I’m a giants fan and would take Eli but u still have to come with the facts bro. And in 07 & 08 they were arguably the best o line in football. Lol giants have won a Super Bowl in 4 straight decades also so they haven’t been that bad lmao
@@Est.1998 my man the Giants were ranked 31st in o line in 2011 he’s not lying
@@markjones2854 they were ranked 13th
@@Est.1998 Nah, you gotta look back. Those guys were on their last legs. Baas was also injured a lot (I have no clue why you would bring up him up) . And McKenzie... he wasn't great in his second stint and was pretty heavily criticized. This is common knowledge. Not an opinion. The fact that he retired soon after doesn't help your argument either. I don't know where you're getting your "facts" from.
Snee was also old and not very good. And Diehl should never be used as a support. He was versatile, but not very good, cause they moved him around a lot to do patch work.
Giants ranked (it's not MY ranking or stats) as 31st - 32nd ranked offensive line.
And again, 2007, don't conflate pass blocking with run blocking. That was a run heavy team.
@@Harker911 bro PFF had them ranked 13th. The giants were last in rushing. That’s not the same thing
In 2012 eli had the 25th ranked defense and dead last in nfl in rushing. But eli didn’t do anything lol
With the worst pass blocking o line but they just skip that I guess
You think Eli better than ben?
@@Wanteyt Yes hands down
@@charlesbuckley5615 😂😂 explain
@@Wanteyt Eli didn't play with HOFERS on offense.Eli didn't have top 10 defenses.Shit Eli never got injured.Eli had the better arm too.So you explain how is Ben better??
I love Eli but it’s definitely Ben. That lady is so annoying she ruins any argument there might have been.
Yeah I was disappointed how no one highlighted that Ben has better numbers in total passing yards, tds, & completions (her main argument other than the superbowls) not just the team accomplishments. That superbowl vs Arizona was pretty wild as well
big ben: rapist, never been mvp in his super bowl wins, had one of the greatest wide receivers of all time despite his off the field antics.
@@Ghost-sz7uo Cry some more
@@Ghost-sz7uo relax 😂
@@anthonymazzocco9681 typical idiotic response when you don’t have facts.
Big Ben finished his career in the Top 5 of most categories…but has the ALL TIME RECORD for 500 yard games…regular season and playoffs.
Only player in history with back to back 6 TD games. Most perfect QBR games.
Passes over 40 yards…
The list is ridiculous.
Eli was great…
Rivers was great…
I don’t think any teams history would be different had you switched up those guys in a different order. No team would have been disappointed.
That 2004 draft class for QB’s was the best we will ever see.
OBVIOUSLY Big Ben.
I love how they mention the two Super Bowls over Brady and then disregard using the playoffs as a statistic when Stephen A says Ben appeared more. Not to mention that it was literally impossible for the Steelers to play the Patriots in the super bowl, and that Brady and Roethlisberger only met once in the playoffs (which Ben lost but hey). I think both are very accomplished QB’s, but I give Ben the slight edge.
Against the seahawks bens first win he played the worst sb game by a QB. As to eli balled vs the patriots and was clutch. Thats the point they were trying to make
Ask Brady who he rather play in the playoffs 😂😂.. lol easy answer
@@thetruther9521 teams beat teams. QBs don't beat QBs.
The New England Patriots played the Steelers three times with Tom Brady as quarterback not once the Patriots are 3 and 0 against the Steelers with Brady.
Eli got taken by the downward spiral the NY Giants still haven't covered from. Bad GM, bad coaching, bad O-line, poor running game, & poor D generally.
Giants QBs haven't been good since.
💯 Giants have a 13-32 record since they made Jones the Starter in 2019.
Eli Manning will always be known as Brady’s kryptonite.
Unlike Big Ben, Eli never had more INTs than TDs in a SB.
@@iamtheoysterking 😂😂 eli play d now wtf kryptonite 😂 so I guess nick foles is also Brady's Kryptonite. That's how you know Brady is the goat when you have to use him to make eli look better when he doesn't play d and was outplayed in those superbowls by Tom
@@Wanteyt Wtf are you talking about??
@@charlesbuckley5615 read maybe you'll understand.
Stephen A “Molly will get sensitive, who do we call you ‘Molly Orlovsky’?” 🤣🤣
molly makes the dumbest arguments. "who knocked off Brady? Eli." okay, but so did Nick Foles. are we going to praise him for that? his catch was just as big as any of Eli's throws.
Yep. She has the worst takes on any platform. Just moderate please.
How Dan Orlovsky still has a job is beyond me.
I think he has to be on that side or you just have three people agreeing with each other with Molly putting her worthless 2 cents
Big Ben in a blowout and not even close Eli came up clutch in the post season mediocrity alot of his career
The producers in the ear told Stephen A and Woody to fall asleep at the same time.😂
There is no debate! Ben was a much better overall QB and had a higher winning percentage. Anyone who thinks Eli was better is cleary one French fry short of a happy meal.
Ben also had a better team around him his entire career🤦🏽♂️. Bens team average defensive rank was 8th. Eli’s was below 16
Ben has never been benched
😂 Eli never missed a game for been hurt
@@franciscofeliz4575 only one of those situations you can control
4:04 I'm speechless lol....Ben had a better career if Eli Manning would have gotten traded I wanted to trade he probably would have had a better career
They’re in the same tier but Ben slightly due to longevity and production. It is important to note he always had better coaching and support, but it is what it is. Manning’s Bowl wins are more impressive too but outside of those runs he doesn’t have many playoff moments. Ben has a couple.
Look up Giants vs 49ers 11' also look up Packers vs Giants 07' Eli got those....
They’re definitely not in the same tier lmao
@@michaellouis-jean1486 your right cause Eli is ahead and it shouldn’t be a debate.
@@michaellouis-jean1486 They pretty much are on the same tier
@@maverick33guy95 The played in the exact same era and Big Ben has a 93.5 passer rating to Eli’s 84.1. That’s bigger than twice the difference between Brady and Big Ben. You’re delusional.
I’m an Eli guy and think he’s underrated but I’m going Big Ben(I think he’s also underrated too actually) but I think Ben had better consistency and regular season numbers. Both won 2 SBs but Big Ben got there 3 times and made it to 5 AFC Championship games. For those reasons, I’d put him above Eli, who also hand a great career!
You do know ben had much better talent around him during his career, so idk. The talent disparity was apparent
@@syl-x9u My brother he sounds so stupid
@@syl-x9u Stop using talent as an excuse. Ben hasn't always had talented teammates.
@@the757general2 only during his decline/later years has his weapons quality decreased. Live with it, most of the QBs in the hall of Fame would be blessed to have the talent Ben had that surrounded him most of his career
U know why Tom Brady is considered the GOAT even though there are quarterbacks who put up better numbers? He did more with less.
Eli is second behind drew Brees in game winning touchdowns in NFL history . Say what u want about Eli but he’s clutch when u need him
Eli has 37 game winning drives
Ben has 53 (tied for second all time)
This shouldn’t even be a debate it’s not even close when u look at who won more and who put up better numbers aswell as accomplishments.
@@BG33917 each year he won the Super Bowl he had the #1 defense in the league eli had the 17th and 25th ranked.Each year ben has always had more around him than Eli look behind the stats
@@BG33917 ok but Eli is 2nd go ahead/ game tying touchdowns in the 4th quarter behind Brees. Plus bring up postseason numbers now
@@bishopdedon7281 2005 Steelers did not have the #1 defense. Why do you clowns keep pulling info from your ass in order to defend Eli?
@@bishopdedon7281I know this is 2y old but you do realize both 07 and 2011 that ny defense in the playoffs held team to a average 14 and 17 points respectively
Eli 100%, Steelers had way better teams/coaching throughout, Eli way better postseason QB
Bro get out of here, how many times was he even in the postseason. Not close. Ben was better
The question is who had a better career. Big Ben easily had a better career. He’s been much more productive for longer. The fact that he was in a better situation doesn’t negative that. Eli might’ve had a better career if he had the same support as Ben. But he didn’t.
@@anthonymalcolmcalan but Eli done the same (more if you wanna count the Super Bowl MVPs) with less😂😂.
Is this a trick question? Ben was better
Exactly
The 2008 Steelers o line was the worst o line to ever win a Super Bowl lol
And Ben ended his career in the playoffs . We're was eil at the end I wait.🤣
You think Roethlesberger was the reason they made the playoffs😂😂😂😂. Stop it Steelers in 2021 are 1000% better than the 2019 Giants. Plus the only reason you made the playoffs is because Baltimore was one of the most hurt teams in the sport. But if you wanna brag about being demolished in the playoffs be my guest
@@markjones2854 yeah sum of it he made plays eil shouldn't be mentioned in the same conversation
@@markjones2854 dude, Eli was benched for Daniel Jones, take a seat…
@@zach1389 and look where it got them😂. Steelers have a winning record without Ben. Giants don’t have a winning record without Eli
@@potentialxp3283 lmaooooo Ben wasn’t good this year😭😭😭 he solely benefited from beating a injured Baltimore team in week 18🤣🤣
Dan's arguments doesn't change the fact Big Ben had a better career. The discussion is not about who was the better QB or who had more help. Maybe Eli was better, maybe in a different team he would have had a better career, none of that change the fact that Big Ben had a more successful career.
The whole "Ben had more talented teammates" argument needs to stop. What did Santonio Holmes, Mike Wallace, Markus Wheaton, Le'Veon Bell, and so many others do without Ben? Nothing. Only a few of his teammates had success elsewhere. There's a reason why receivers never win MVP. They are very reliant on the QB that's throwing them the ball. All of those receivers can thank Ben for their success.
Stephen A shuts down any comments about how the Steelers have always had a stacked team built around Ben with one of the best coaches but then talks about how many times Eli missed the playoffs lmao. I thought it wasn’t about the team?
@@constantlycorrect8550 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 stupidest comment I’ve heard in a minute
Ohhh wait wasn't it's Eil Manning decision to go to the Giants. So shut the fuck up about how terrible the Giants are because he could have gone to the Steelers. Eil Manning got what he deserved for being a BITCH ASS DIVA.
YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT BBBBRO! I would be offended to if I was trash and seeing human calling other human trash like a bad thing. Fuck out of here you lame ass Slim Shady wannabe. OOO WOW YYYOUR SO FUCKING FUNNY. Slim Shady is only unroastabout to lame like you.
@@oggsherm662 bro go get some cheeks
@@Est.1998 Bro are you fucking serious, you actually think this is a roast bro? I expect this from a 5 years old kid or MY LIL SLIM SHADY. That's why the world hate on virgins so badly, it's because it's the only thing that you wannabes can be after you lose it and that kill you losers. Because you sold your soul for vagina. Here I'll let you see a real roast from your truly, the true UNROASTABOUT GODDD AND ROASTING GODDD, who MY LIL SLIM SHADY DON'T WANT IT FROM, HE BE SAYING THAT BOY IS TO WILD, WHAT CAN I DO WHEN MY ROAST AND MUSIC ARE ONLY FOR A PERSON WITH A 5 YEARS MIDSET. Ok here we go, the time you're all been waiting for. Are you ready? Oh here go nothing. IT'S MY TIME, ALL YOUR STUPID ROASTS. What are you talking about I have your mom face checks. OOOOOHHHH you're mother's face checks are so fucking amazing that's I kinda made dimples on both sides. Then your stupid mom had the nerve to ask. Why the fuck you only want to fuck my face checks?, Now I have dimples. How am I going to explain this to everybody? HEY it is not my fault, you're the one who takes 20 penis in all 3 holes a day, I told you that I was afraid to go in any of you're holes because you had so much and so many guys semen and penis juices, I was afraid my penis would dissolve, or disintegrate or something like that. But I'll let you know I'M NOT AFRAID to go in to my LIL SLIM SHADY OR SHOULD I SAY SLIM TAKEN. But bro I saw a pic at your's mom house of you, you have checks like your mother, well until I got finished with her. And If I saw you in public, I'm going to be getting those cheeks, just to let you know. WHY DON'T YOU GO LISTEN TO THE WANNABE THEME SONG THE OFFSPRING- SELF ESTEEM. WELL MINUS THE PART WITH THE GIRL, YOU KNOW YOUR PART.
Molly I'm so sick of her
I am a Giants fan. Big Ben has had a better career.
Fake fan
@@LiLSteveTrakz Guess you don’t KNOW WHAT REALITY IS.
@@glenndjubilee the reality is you not really a Giants fan
@@LiLSteveTrakz the reality is that you're a delusional moron if you think Eli was better
Big Ben has a better regular season career, but he stunk in the playoffs (except for one season) and Superbowls. Eli's two post season runs were historic, where he was clutch, had great moments, and had some crazy numbers especially in the superbowl. But I'd give the edge to Ben just based on his overall numbers! Also bringing up ints, big Ben has lead the league twice fyi.
Hey man Big Ben has the greatest drive and throw in Super Bowl history, I think that makes up for a game where he was the youngest to ever win it
And he has more wins that him in the playoffs
@@MorningDew85 Eli’s drive and throw in Super Bowl 46 was better than Bens I’m sorry to tell you
@@MorningDew85 Not THE greatest, just one of the many. It's up there for sure, but Eli's got not one but 2 of the all time greatest drives in NFL history in the SB. Complete with 2 all time throws/catches, especially the David Tyree Helmet catch.
Stunk in the playoffs 🤔 dude won 3 playoffs on the road 🛣️
Bro seriously Eli didn't have to play the Baltimore Ravens 2 or 3 times a year.
But he had to play the Eagles and Cowboys twice a year. I’m tired of ya bringing up the Ravens😂😂. Ya seem to forget the Eagles have been great since 2004 as well but hey
@@markjones2854 Bro last I checked eagles and cowboy didn't win a super bowl in that Era, that why we bring it up the Ravens. Because Ravens usually had a top 5 defense every year. The Ravens and Steelers would rape in that easy ass division. Fuck out of here. Everybody know what the toughest division was the fucking AFC North bitch.
@@oggsherm662 from 2004-2019 the Eagles won a Super Bowl, made 2, and made numerous conference title game. Dallas got 1st twice during that time and has won 3 playoff games.
The AFC North is tough because of 2 teams???
It took the Bengals and Browns 30+ years to win a playoff game😂😂. Dallas has the same amount of playoff wins as the Bengals and Browns combined like stop it😂😂.
@@markjones2854 Bro you're a moron, great job on another stupid post. Bro you're the one who need to stop thinking emoji save you're dumb points, break news emoji is for 12 years old girl bro, so you need to stop in that regard too. Hhhhuh like you said, just maybe and I mean just maybe it's like what you said having two of the top 5 teams in the division kept them from reaching the playoff. Ohhhh and don't forget about the fact that you also had STEROID RAGE BRADY AND PEYTON MANNING also in the AFC, the fucking NFC was a joke compared to the AFC, that's the only reason the Giants ,Cowboy, Eagles had so much success in the playoffs because they had so many chances, oh don't forget they're wasn't anybody else in the NFC. So getting 3 teams from a division in is pretty fuck hard in the AFC, ohhhh what that, oh that right the AFC NORTH DID IT 3 TIMES DUMBASS, OHHHH HUH MAYBE THE BENGALS AREN'T AS BAD AS YOUR TRYING TO MAKE THEM SEEM, like they were never good at all, oh just to like you know not a single team in that's division and Era won the division 3 times in a row, ohhh and you're not going belive when I tell you this, the Bengals also won the division a couple times too, huh ain't that's amazing. Bro you need to delete all your's stupid ass comments and yes I saw your other dumb ass comments but I'm not commenting on all of them because there's just too many, so I figured I tell you here to save time, because it's so obvious you have no idea what your talking, I think it would be best if you just stick with hockey bro, it's seems to me you only watch football when the Giants are good, which basically is never so I don't blame you.
@@markjones2854 🤡🤡
I love it how Dan Orlovsky brought up “it’s a team sport” when a QB doesn’t make up the entire team. There’s no reason to bring that up when one player from the team is being discussed.
I agree with Dan here, football is the ultimate team sport, you can't fault the quarterback for the defenses poor production on the field
Question...not even specifically about Eli, insert any quarterback. When you lead the league in interceptions, how is the defense supposed to play well? They are always on the field, trying to cover for the mistakes the offense is making.
Dan was a journeyman quarterback. I don't listen to Dan
“Molly orlovsky” 😂😂😂
Ben had a better career than Eli point blank period
Big Ben
The BR homers just don't get it. The reason BR had a better record (a team metric) and more trips to the POs (a team metric) was b/c he had MUCH BETTER teams around him. The Steelers produced 90 Pro Bowlers and 28 All-Pros behind BR, while the NYG produced 44 Pro Bowlers and 7 All-Pros behind Eli. IOW, he had better defenses, better o-lines, and better players at WR, TE, and RB. As matter of fact, Eli led as many Top 10 offenses (7) in 14 yrs (with fewer weapons) as the F/T QB as BR did in 17 yrs. Also, Eli was the best player on the NYG 5 times and Roethlisberger only once. That advantage in GWDs that BR has? That's due to BR having better D's that held leads in the 4th Q (Eli had more game-tying/go-ahead TDs in the 4th Q 44 to 42). In the POs, Eli was clearly better - 2 SB MVPs (with zero for BR) with far fewer turnovers (BR is the all-time leader in pick-sixes in the POs).
Ben had a better career, but Eli has a better legacy. In 50 years, we wont be talking about big ben. But in 50 years, we will still be talking about how this dude named Eli Manning beat the greatest QB of all time twice and of course that 2007 super bowl.
Hell no we won't. You don't get credit for that. It's barley talked about now let alone 50 years. Your spewing nonsense
Lmao that DLine helped out a lot. They scored 17 points, talk to me when you consistently win your entire career. Let me tell you this, when records are broken, and they’re going to pass Eli up a lot quicker than Ben; it’ll be a much bigger deal and milestone when they pass up Big Ben in yards, TDs, Wins and 4th quarter comebacks then when they pass up Mr .500
@@zach1389 keep talking bro to many facts
@@Wanteyt when you talk about Tom Brady in 50 years, Eli gonna be brought up. And Brady will be talked about as long as this game lives.
@@zach1389 who’s the 5th qb all time in passing yards? You probably don’t know. No one gives a fuck if you are 6th all time and not 10th. Unless you are 1st, those records won’t be remembered. Like I said, when they talk about Brady, they will talk about Eli. You are not remembered by consistency, you are remembered by moments. Name me a Big Ben moment that’s bigger than the 2007 sb
I’m a giants fan. But Ben had a better career
Nah
Well at least you’re not biased. Anyone with half a brain knows it’s Big Ben.
I think it’s about as even as it gets when comparing careers and really only comes down to who you like more.
Big Ben pulled away at the end of their careers stats wise but Eli was ahead of both Big Ben and Rivers for the majority of the time in TDs and yards.
Eli has the 2 Super Bowl MVPs to Ben’s 0 but Ben won more playoff games to go with his two rings.
Throw to manningham and to Holmes are both in the argument for greatest all time clutch Super Bowl throws.
Ben has more Wins but also played on much better teams.
210 iron man streak vs more seasons overall.
It’s close as they’re both HOFs. Eli is my guy but Big Ben deserves his respect.
Ask Brady . He'd rather play the Steelers than those Eli Giants
Ben Roethlisberger had a passer rating of 69.9 with 642 yards, 3 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in 3 games in Super Bowls in his career........Eli Manning had a passer rating of 96.2 with 551 yards, 3 touchdowns and 1 interception in 2 games in Super Bowls in his career. Eli did it against the best team ever and another good team in 2011. Ben did it againts the 7th ranked defense and the worst defense in 2008, with the #1 D in 2005 and the #4 D in 2008.
Molly thought she knows… 😂
I’d like to point out, a very obvious fact that the Big Ben crowd doesn’t want to hear… those SB wins were DESPITE Big Ben’s performances, not because of them. Big Ben never got SB MVP because he never threw more TDs than INTs in any of his SB appearances.
Eli manning wished for a game where he threw 2 picks and no TDs and won. That happened in the Seattle Pittsburgh SB for Big Ben.
Superbowl 43? Game winning touchdown drive?
@@jeffreyv8306 lol the difference in that game wasn’t that last drive by Big Ben… it was the fact that Big Ben’s INT right before halftime was bailed out by Harrison’s pick six. If Harrison doesn’t get the pick six, Big Ben doesn’t win the game when he drives for his only TD of the game.
If Big Ben doesn’t score that drive he doesn’t have a TD in that SB. Big Ben’s two SB wins he has 1 Td, 3 INTs…
So I’ll grant that the drive won the game, and it looks good to have two SB wins. But again, he HAD to make that drive happen because his three prior possessions went Punt, Punt, Safety.
@@iamtheoysterking The pick Ben threw in SB43 was off a tipped pass so stop acting as if all INTs were his fault. Ben played good enough to win SB MVP. Most of Holmes' production came in the final drive. While Ben played poorly in SBXL he played great in the three road playoff games leading up to it.
@@the757general2 stop pretending that ‘playing well’ is the topic. We are talking about comparing Eli and Big Ben. Playing well is a fan boy statement with nothing to back it up.
Ben threw 3 TDs total in three games on his second super bowl run. Eli manning in BOTH Super Bowl runs had more game winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks. No contest. Eli is the better QB
No question BIG BEN!
Lmao they went to sleep. I can’t believe ANYBODY is saying Eli better then Ben😂
Ben was on a good team for the majority of his tenure and has had better coaches. Eli probably has better numbers in Pittsburgh. Ben can have a bad game and Pittsburgh still will win. Eli can have a great game and the Giants would still lose. And thus Ben was in the playoffs more. So because he was in the playoffs more the perception goes to Ben.Put Ben on the Giants he won't have as many playoff appearances.
This is a clown argument. 0 losing seasons for Ben. same amount of SB's and one more appearances and was in a conference with Tom and Peyton and division as Ray lewis, ed ried and Suggs. Sure Ben's situation was better. It doesnt mean he didnt do what he did. He had an easy better career
Brady had great coaching and teams, Peyton had great teams, Montana had jerry rice, Rodgers had Greg Jennings jordy Nelson and davante adams. Would you ever argue that Eli’s better than any of those guys just because they had great coaching or teams? Not that Ben’s in the same tier as them either, but lack of supporting talent isn’t a great argument.
If Eli goes to Pittsburgh Brady only makes it to 4 Superbowls at the most
@@jerrycarelock7046 lol because Eli would’ve made them realize that Brady owned their zone defense
The eye test says Eli is not better 🤣🤣.
Molly just be in the background talkin they just be ignoring
I can't believe this is even a debate.
Dan is judging Ben for things he has no control over. He's acting like any quarterback can win a super bowl with the Steelers.
Right!?!?!? Like everyone can hit that right corner end zone TD to santonio in the SB
Eli could've done it, there's no question Ben had better talent surrounding him during his career
@@crittoneida958 Eli's throw to Manningham was better
Lol too 10 defenses with some of the most talented offensive players in this generation 😂. Gtfoh numerous teams could’ve won a Super Bowl with this Steelers team
@@markjones2854 Really than why didn't the 2019 Steelers make the playoffs ?
That Patriots team in 07 destroyed the whole afc that yr including steelers..but wat did the giants do that regular season.. Eli was just a bigger player wen it counted
Did Eli hold the best offense in NFL history to 14 points? I didn't realize Eli played defense as well
@@jeffreyv8306 according to football casuals, it's a one-on-one sport.
That’s tricky, I would say Ben but as I explained why Tomlin isnt that great of a coach is they had better rosters most his career. I’d still say Ben because he started better and ended better. If I was making a franchise team and had to choose between the two I’d go with Ben because he could get it done in his prime with a horrible line, Eli wouldnt been able to take that much pressure and hits.
No losing seasons, same amount of Super Bowl rings, played in a much tougher conference (Had Manning, Brady, and now Jackson, Mahommes, and Burrow), is ahead of Eli in every major stat category. this isn’t a debate. Big Ben.
If you want to say “oh Big Ben played longer”, he only played in 13 more games than Eli and still threw for less INT’s than Eli.
They’re both first ballot HOF, but Big Ben is just a hair better
Better conference😂😂😂 bro stop it😂
Besides the Ravens, Patriots, Peyton’s Teams and Steelers who in the AFC was good?
And did you just say Burrow😂. Just stop it Eli is better and played in a much more competitive conference which explains why the NFC has had 12 out of 16 teams make a Super Bowl since 2000 compared to the AFC who had
6 out of 16 teams make the Super Bowl since 2000🤦🏽♂️
More than a hair if Eli plays for the Steelers they definitely lose a lot more games
It's not by a hair. The only reason Eli is a Hall of Famer is because of the Super Bowls. Otherwise, he doesn't play for as long as he has with his mediocre numbers. Ben was more consistent.
@@robertlunderwood How was Ben more consistent...He was injured a lot and the Steelers went 8-8 a lot of times...So please explain
@@robertlunderwood If Ben doesn't play these last 2 seasons he would have mediocre numbers my friend...How long have you been watching football??
Eli wasn't even considered elite year in and year out. He, like Ben, won 2 rings with great defense but Ben took the Steelers to a 3rd Super Bowl. If you take away the rings from both it's not even close. Ben has 4 perfect games, a record, four 500 yd games, a record, the youngest QB to win a Super Bowl, 2nd all time in game winning drives behind only Peyton Manning by 1 game and 3rd all time in 4th quarter comebacks behind only Brady and Peyton by 1 and 2 games. Eli's career completion percentage is 60 to Ben's 64 and his rating is 84.1 to Ben's 93.5. Ben when playing a full season was never under 60 percent completion (2 years were 59.9 and 59.7 but that's rounded to 60 mathematically) he had a passer rating in the 90s 14 times to Eli's 5 times and in the 100s 3 times to Eli's zero. Eli had seven 4000 yd seasons to Ben's six but Ben also had a 5000 yd season. I'll give Eli credit for a 5000 yd year since he had a 4933 season but then you gotta give Ben an extra 5000 yd year for his 4952 season. As said they both have 2 rings but Ben has an additional Conference championship. Eli's SB MVPs are overblown, especially the first one when Tyree with the first TD and then the helmet catch was just as significant and in the second one Nicks had 10 catches for 103 yds. Ben easily could have been MVP vs the Cardinals. But regardles Ben was more accurate and his ability extended the play is legendary.
I needed this laugh. 1.the defenses the Giants won with we’re not great as they were ranked 17th and 25th. Bens is a different story tho as his defense was usually at the top of the league most his career. You bringing up the fact how he was the youngest QB to win a Super Bowl when he was awful in it and not to mention it was fixed. One of the worst performances by a QB ever. He was not that good in his Super Bowl performances but the only reason ya try to say he was is because of one drive. Like stop it man Eli done the same with much less. Dude got outplayed in each of his Super Bowls but you wanna talk about he could’ve been the MVP😂😂😂😂
@@markjones2854 yet John Madden voted for Ben as MVP of his first Super Bowl for all the intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheets, runs, avoiding pressure on extended plays for 1st downs, throwing the block to allow the gadget TD. Plus Mike Peria broke down the calls and said he would have downgraded the refs had they not called them. Rich Eisen for years has said Ben was MVP of his second Super Bowl, he had more than the drive, he set up 10 points prior to that on big throws to Hines Ward and Heath Miller and one he was bouncing off defenders and on the final drive he had to extend plays that almost resulted in sacks. Ben ended with a 93 rating compared to Eli's 87 the year before. Eli's front four got pressure without the Giants having to blitz and Eli was losing both SBs late and loses both if Asante Samuel hangs on to the interception on the final drive of the first SB or if Wes Welker hangs on to the ball on 3rd down with the lead late inside the Giants 20 in the second SB. Eli has zero 500 yd games, Ben has a record 4. Eli has no perfect games, Ben has a record 4, Ben's career passer rating destroy's Eli's and check the all time 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives. Ben is 2nd and 3rd and only 1 and 2 games in each behind Peyton and Brady. Rivers from the same class smokes Eli too.
@@80steen44 it’s a great thing Maddens vote didn’t count cause Ben had the worst performance by a QB in the Super Bowl for a team that won😂😂😂. And you over here trying to talk about sacks like Bens defense didn’t get a 99 yard pick 6 which gave them a 10 point lead at Halftime😂. How about the fumble that ended the game ? Didn’t a ref have to apologize to Seattle after the game😂 come on man😂. Ben was outplayed in each Super Bowl he played in. If Harrison didn’t get the 99 yard pick 6 and if Super Bowl 40 wasn’t fixed then Ben loses both Super Bowls😂😂. And you over here trying to brag about regular season stats when Ben had better teams throughout his entire career. Bring up his postseason stats. Bring up his Super Bowl stats I’ll wait 🥱 . Game winning drives but Eli is 2nd all time in game tying/ go ahead touchdowns in the 4th Quarter/overtime behind Drew Brees. And you’re crazy if you think Rivers is better than Eli😂. Rivers is definitely better than Ben he just never had the teams Ben had. Dude done the same as Eli with much more😂😂😂
@@80steen44 dude went 9-21 for 123 yards and 2 picks with a 22.6 rating but yeah he deserved MVP 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Compare their Super Bowl stats. Eli is better
@@markjones2854 No ref apologized after SB 43 for anything and Ben had a 93 rating in that SB and Harrison's pick 6 wasn'tlate in the game. Teams make offensive decisions based on the score throughout. And his rating in SB 40 like I said was a passer rating not a football player assessment. If he did nothing than how did he complete a 3rd and 28 for 37 yds, run for 2 first downs, one to set up a TD and one to seal the game, and without his block they never complete the gadget play TD. Facr is Eli's passer rating is below the league average for his day and Ben's is above it.
Molly be all over the place..she be so in her feeling we know you love the giants and Dan in his feelings smh Ben led the Steelers to game winning drive in SB
Ben is 2nd all time in game winning drives Eli has 37 Ben has 53
@@BG33917 exactly
Look at all Ben's stats in all 3 SB....Plus didn't Ben lose to Tebow and Bortles in the playoffs??
@@BG33917 That means the Steelers were losing a lot then.
@@charlesbuckley5615 Ben didn't lose to Tebow and Bortles. The Steelers lost to team. Football is not a one-on-one sport.
This is a clown argument. 0 losing seasons for Ben. same amount of SB's and one more appearances and was in a conference with Tom and Peyton and division as Ray lewis, ed ried and Suggs. Sure Ben's situation was better. It doesnt mean he didnt do what he did. He had an easy better career
Yep!
Situation was not better all the time. Eli player knows the NFC least lol and still manage to miss the playoffs many times. Ben had to go against Ravens and Bengals at one point were a force with a conference that had Peyton Brady and Rivers.
@@5starathlete804 did you just say the Bengals were a force😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Bro the Bengals won their first playoff game since 1991 this season😂😂😂😂. And Cleveland won their first playoff game since 1994 last season. Washington won 1 playoff game during Eli’s career, Cowboys 3 and Philly won 9 during Eli’s career with 1 Super Bowl win and 2 appearances. All you got is Baltimore 😂😂😂
@Maria Castillo what? Ben was not a better playoff performer, he was not a better Super Bowl performer. He was a better regular season performer you can have that but Eli had much less help and still done the same as Ben
@Maria Castillo and let me guess your a Steelers fan cause Ben was not that good of a postseason performer
Eli. Ben had better teams pretty much his entire career. Yeah Ben can have the better regular season but Eli was a better postseason and much much better Super Bowl performer than Ben and that’s not a question
Big Ben has the greatest throw in nfl history, thats the ultimate super bowl moment man
@@MorningDew85 Eli’s pass to Manningham was better. Much tighter window and a longer pass
Eli played in the NFC East and still manage to miss the playoffs regularly 🤣🤣. Ben was in a much better division and conference that has Brady Peyton and Rivers
@@5starathlete804 lol another casual great. The NFC East was one of the toughest divisions in the sport during Eli’s career🤦🏽♂️. You forget about the Eagles teams that made the 3rd round numerous times. How about Dallas they made the playoffs a few times then Washington. Gtfoh with the better division 😂😂 Every team in the NFC East won at least 1 playoff game during Eli’s career. It took Cleveland and Cincinnati 16 and 17 years to win a playoff game during Bens career 😂😂😂. And why you acting like Manning didn’t have Farve/Rodgers, Brees, Ryan to compete with and that’s not even adding the 2011 49ers and 2007 Cowboys 😂. Stop it Bro
Says the biased New York rangers fan. I hate both teams and it’s obviously ben
Easy:
Ben Roethlisberger.
Big Ben had a better career in a landslide. Not even close
hmm i wonder who was better Ben Roethlisberger (win percentage 66.9 percent) or Mr 50 percent
So by Molly's argument Nick Foles is a better qb than Russel Wilson, Matt Ryan and Patrick Mahomes because he beat Tom Brady in the superbowl.
Ok this what I’m sick and tired of hearing. Every giants fan and including Molly always say we beat Tom Brady twice.
Good to see I’m not the only one annoyed of molly lmao
The third wheels need to be removed.
The Steelers had a lousy line in 08. When they went back to the Super Bowl in 2010, and lost rookie sensation Marcise Pouncy in the playoffs, their O-line was even worse. Respect to Eli tho. He was tough and clutch.
QB career stats TDs Ben-8 Eli-10, Yards Ben- 5 Eli - 10, Passer Rating Ben- 21 Eli-64, Int Eli- 12 Ben- 23
Lmao, give me a break. Ben and it aint even close
This is a tough debate because situation matters. Roethlisberger had more consistency because he was on a consistent playoff caliber team. Manning on the other hand played his entire career on teams that were fringe to say the least. I think Orlovski has strong points and that's what make these debates almost impossible.
How is this even a debate? Big Ben didn’t throw nearly as many interceptions, even when his team and o-line was bad he still kept his team relevant, Eli did not
Get em Dan🤣🤣🤣
They're asking who is better out of Ben or Eli why are they asking Dan orlowski isn't he the guy who want 6 and 16 😂😂😂
MOLLY IS WEIRD.
I hate these type of debates. Look at the stats. Ben had better stats. Ben was better. If you are going to play the whole "Eli's teams weren't good enough around him" card then I could argue that David Carr for the Texans would have been better than all of them if you would have put him on another team. Giants fans arguing about this because they can't win anything else so they figured they give hypothetical a shot.
How about Big Ben vs. Philip Rivers, but regular season only.
Does Dan know Ben is 5th all-time in passing ahead of Eli Manning
Yea cause he played an extra 2 seasons and loss in the 1st round
@@charlesbuckley5615doesn’t change the fact been is a first ballot hall of famer
This kind of question is a smear on Ben. Eli was awesome, but he's not even close
I really like Eli for his clutch, and roughness, both mental and physical. But that said, Ben was just better.
If you’re re-drafting that 2004 qb class, it’s a no-brainer you’re taking Ben over Eli, regardless of their teammates.
Honestly I think Rivers was better than both of them, but the fact that he never won a SB sadly takes him out of the conversation.
Roethilsburger was so much better than Eli and it’s not even close.
“Molly orlonvsky” 😂😂😂😂
How is Eli beating Brady in 2 SBs evidence of a better career? Eli was benched for stretches several times in his career behind geno smith and Daniel Jones. Ben never got benched. Ben is ahead of Eli in every measurable passing stat.
Ur dumb if ur not considering what's going on. Giants and Steelers cannot be compared - Ben's always had a competent team around him no question. Eli's had to do something with nothing, when that happens unless you're Tom Brady everyone else would fail including Ben
It was just those two times. The latter was at the end of his career.
@@syl-x9u so you I guess you agree ben had better career numbers. He had a better supporting cast and stability and head coach. Ok
@@crittoneida958 obviously yes, Ben put up better numbers, but he also had better talent and coaching. There's no question if he was in NY he wouldn't do as well. We'll never know how well Eli would do if he was with Steelers.
So imo it's incomparable to measure both of them - like apples and oranges, their situations were not similar
@@syl-x9u exactly. The dude is acting like Eli wasn’t scapegoated in 2017 when his entire team was hurt. Dude don’t understand the Giants are 13-32 since Geno Started in Games Eli Manning hasn’t played
Brett Favre has the most interceptions in NFL history.
2 games doesnt mean you had the better career, Molly really thought she had something
Lol molly is so irrelevant.
No dummy but 16 years do
@@charlesbuckley561514 years of doing nothing and being literally a avrage qb while most of big Ben's career was in the convo for top 5 qb eli never was
Favre led the league in interceptions 3 times as well, but that is often overlooked.
Man pick 11??? He was making it sound like he went 28 or late in the first
Lol Eli is not close to Ben. Molly being so annoying here ffs
Ben won more and had better stats
Won more? They both got 2 rings
@@markjones2854 Ben won more games and had the higher win percentage.
4:06 then explain to me why flacco and ben have rings but sanchez doesnt. All had #1 ranked defenses and had healthy teams, sanchez had the best o line. Its Qb play
Woody is so cringey. Trying to be SAS so bad
I am actually surprised his still at ESPN
In no other place in the world other than New York is this even a discussion. It’s Big Ben and it’s not even in the same country in terms of the distance in the debate
Stephen A mood: I’m just here so I don’t get fined 🥴🥴🥴🥴😴😴😴
U can't campare Ben is on a different level
Lol Stephen A. And Woody funny as Hell. 🤣🤣🤣
Funny that Dan mentions top 10 when Big Ben is higher than Eli in pasing yds and TDs
eli didn't win the 2007 super bowl, the giants freakin defense won that one
LMAO
Fax
LAZY NY he’s not wrong. Eli doesn’t have those game winning drives without his defense.
Ben is tied for 3rd all time in the stat that matters game winning drives…. He’s one behind the better manning and 4 behind tb 12 Eli is no where near close
They both had 2 rings. Take those away and it's not even a conversation. Big Ben was better everywhere