Biggie Ain't The GOAT
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A barbershop conversation between Steve Stoute, Future, Ebro, James Harden, and Maverick Carter popped up on Instagram recently. The trendsetters debated whether the masses revered Jay Z’s classic debut, Reasonable Doubt when first released in 1996. According to Future, “Jay Z wasn’t great when Tupac and Biggie were alive.” The discussion inspired the final #DXBreakdown of 2016, where we celebrate Ready To Die and Life After Death, and argue why Biggie Ain’t The GOAT. Let's break it down.
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"Im not saying Biggie wasnt the greatest"
Title: Biggie aint the greatest
No. The title says he isn't the G.O.A.T, meaning
Greatest of *ALL TIME*
@@iman5147 interesting mindset, degradant
@@snale4176
Don't act surperior
wasn't
·XxChilGamerxX · greatEST
I feel like millennials just gave Biggie a pass with calling him a goat because that's all we'd hear growing up. Now that we're old enough to really put his career into perspective, we can make our own opinions.
Agreed. The legacy looms larger than memory.
Nicholas Alvarez That's a fair point I don't know about people my age but people who are slightly older like 21 years old plus actual go back and listen to his music and appreciate it for what it was.
Nicholas Alvarez good point
Nicholas Alvarez That's true also if a millennial says that Biggie isn't the goat they a plethora of hate saying that they only like mumble rappers hence the reason everyone jumps on the bandwagon
norris williams Saying Biggie isn't a goat is an opinion, not hate lol
I hate how people say biggie was basic but they only heard songs like big papa😂 listen to everyday struggle gimmie the loot machine gun funk long kiss goodnight etc yeah lyrical god
Suicidal Thoughts is one of the best songs by him imo
@@slimrocky5342 That shit is cold af, but for some reason it's different to your typical emo rap, it's more gangsta.
Matthew Kendall either way it’s one of the best. It was the first song by biggie that I’ve ever listened to and the version was a remix (by izzzamusic I think). The way he starts his songs makes me admire his works, his first lines always get stuck in my head.
@@slimrocky5342 That puff diddy line "nah ni**a, not you" was stuck in my head for so long
Matthew Kendall the line “when I die, f it, i wanna go to hell
Cause I’m a piece of shit, it ain’t hard to f tell” is stuck in my head
Biggies lines keep being repeated by rappers even till date.. That's legendary.. Even jayz quoted so many biggie lines..
jay z stole biggie's rhymes. lmao
what do you mean "Even jayz". The dude steals literally every rapper's lyrics.
And biggie got his from Kool g rap
Soooooo
True but way way way more 2pac line been quoted including jay z
@@emergeNvr and way way way way more Rakim lines been quoted, including almost every important rappers concepts, flows and one liners ever. Your point?
when I die fuck it I wanna go to hell, I'm a piece of shit it ain't hard to fucking tell, it don't make since going to heaven with the goodie goodies dressed in white, I like black Timbs and black hoodies
I've been lying to my mother even stealing out of her purse +lucaz z
I swear to God I want to just slit my wrists and end this bullshit
Throw the Magnum to my head, threaten to pull shit
Gillet Loic and squeeze.... until the beds... completely red
*don't make sense
Jude Coffey Smh. That was Big opening up about illuminate way back then. Telling you how he was struggling, contemplating taking his own life, but really he didnt mind selling out cause he aint wanna go to heaven anyway. He loved the shit that he did down here. Fuck being a goody goody
there really is no goat.. just peoples opinions..
bsmi1361 true.
bsmi1361 exactly
bsmi1361 well there's GOATS but where those GOATS go on the list is what's up for debate
Benjamin Penney yeah debating your opinion dumbass
bsmi1361 No 2pac and biggie are the kings of rap period.
of course 2pac and biggie are bigger than Jay-Z
Not really Jay z sold 20 million more records than Tupac
Roberto Carrillo trust me bro records don’t mean shit comparing to the person you are
@@DelonYsf I put pac over Jayz but I put jayz over biggie because big just didnt touch on a whole lot of subject like Jay did but pac has more emotional and was more vulnerable than big
@@DelonYsf my list
1.em
2.pac
3.jay
4.andre 3000
5.big
@@robertocarrillo5014 you have good taste!!! 👌😂
People are underrating Big PUN waaaay too much jesus christ.
CaseClosedTV and black thought
preach!!!
Big Pun is actually overrated. He had poor breath control and he rapped the same way every time. He only had two albums like Big. But unlike Big, neither of his albums are classics. Pun was dope, but he's not even top 10, let alone the goat.
@@KtotheG Biggie was alright but not top 10 let alone the goat. Pun was a lyrical mastermind.
@@ArtEffexbk1996 I don't know where I would rank Biggie yet. I don't think he's the goat, but I also don't think that Pun is better than him. Big is up there, though, when you consider other rappers who are usually in every one's top ten.
I don't like the title.. But I need to watch the video before I talk shit.
X_Online lol
LMAO same, I'm like: "I'll give Justin some time to explain this shit"
Well, he did explain his position well...
X_Online Hell yea bruh 😂 I was thinking the same thing
thinking the exact same thing.
i always said Nas is better than BIG (no disrespect) everyone loves BIG, but i rock wit Nas
Thanks, DJ.
DJ Jon804 I agree. Nas has range. Biggie is not in my top five, for the lack of range, but also because he doesn't have enough material to justify goat status. Goat status is about bodies of work.
DJ Jon804
yesssssss
Nas has one classic album. BIG has two and both of those albums are widely considered to be two of the best hip hop albums ever. BIG was better in every way. Better flow, better pen, better beat selection, etc.
Jevin June Khalid voice. You smart. I don't get how some niggas doesn't care about range when it comes to some of these so-called emcees. Perfect analogy. Dudes who have no range are like niggas who plays b ball in the park and is known as playground legend's, but if that same dude had to play in the NBA he would get his ass bust everyday.
biggie had flow but 2pac was for the culture changing the world and how we think
Which has nothing to do with rap. So that don't make him the goat of rap.
@@JahleelX-xx9wd lol
Biggie best flow
2pac best story teller
Eminem best lyricist
Rakim is who really changed it
Jalazel all of that is great but again what does any of that have to do with his body of music? 2Pac has a vastly larger body of music compared to Biggie and yet they are both held in the same regard. If we were talking about over all impact to the world then PAC is definitely the winner. But as far as artistically and musically Biggie is the clear and obvious winner.
Biggie is very great and was robbed of his life him and pac could've conquered rap for even longer but my GOAT is NAS
Nas is wack dude. Lil Wayne blows Nas corny ass outta the water.
@@redrum41987 How tf is nas wack?
Nas is to inconsistent imo i would say andre or mf is the goat
@@beyuse1270 Yeah he i inconsistent, but I would not say he is wack. I feel like making GOAT rankings is kinda hard because of ifferent eras/styles/ some rappers just do different things. MF and 3 stack definitely in top ten tho
Nas os great , but very inconsistent, but in his prime was the best no doubt...
My goats are BIG and Nas.
Biggie cause 2 albums , both classics , one of the best rhyme schemes ever , best flow , one of the best story telling , great voice, great vocabulary , great metaphors...
Biggie only got too drop 2 albums and both those albums go hard from beginning to end
TheHazeG big 1st album on had 1 guest on it and he killed it
gimmie the loot
Tha man Right Chea really dude?
Facts
That's not enough to be considered the GOAT
So Lil Wayne is GOAT,but B.I.G isnt? I guess i need to watch this video and consider if its bullshit
P Money AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Tony Vee What? Em has had a bigger impact than Biggie and Wayne, don't start this Shit...
Tony Vee how so?
P Money no
Exactly
_"I WAS listening to the music, I wasn't scheming through it"_ shots fired
Nas personally my goat but Biggie definitely top 5 for me
Same opinion bro. Nas is the G.O.D S.O.N king of HIPHOP
Kassim Classics yuuuurrrpppp
me too.. nas still the goat..
THE YOUNG CITY BANDIT
I can respect that, nas is def in my top 5
Should lowkey do a why 2pac is the goat video. Would be sick to watch
Bay Area 650 in my opinion he is
Bay Area 650 But he is.
SoFarGone ? What?
SoFarGone ?
Tupac was overrated He is not top 10.
If Nas was killed after Ilmatic he would undoubtedly be considered the greatest of all time
Sean Mahoney are you saying he is called the goat because he is dead
Sean Mahoney dont forget "it was written" too. That was a classic that could be two perfect albums too
what's sad is that's true for so many people they drop a unarguable classic but get forgotten about with time
Nobody is goat ,by considering just 1 classic
Sean Mahoney this is some stupid shit right here.
Biggie isn't a GOAT. He's a person. :D
Not a person, the person
Lmao
Why I think Biggie is one of the greatest of all time;
Even though he only had two official albums, Ready to Die and Life After Death, what appeals to me and many others is his lyrics, flow, and his straight up rhythm. He may have been lacking in content due to his unexpected murder in ‘97, months before his second album debuted, but from the reasons I just listed, I personally he’s in the top 10.
He was murdered about 2 weeks or so before Life After Death actually, not a few months. R.I.P. Biggie
Theres a lot of rappers who a just as good as biggie in every way some a even better jus my opinion. The only 1 of a kind rapper in my opinion is Tupac
This may be true, but we're not talking about top 10, we're talking about GOAT. Sure, he's top 10, but he AIN'T THE GOAT. That is Kendrick or Tupac IMO.
@@space_orphanKendrick is no where near the goat and biggie is above tupac
no one is the fucking G.O.A.T. NO ONE!!! THERE IS NO BEST
DreiSkins101 Wtf does that even mean???
DreiSkins101 No doubt. But it's a fun conversation.
It means no one is the fucking G.O.A.T. NO ONE!!! THERE IS NO BEST!! FUCKING MORON! Can you read?
Nas is GOAT then Big and Pac.
+Cole “EscobarGOAT” Lamar Negative.
I actually bump biggie he is one of the goat
The Vision there's too many goats.
no there are not too many goats. there are only a few on the Mt. Rushmore. BiG JaY NaS PaC 3K
G o D man there are about 100+ goats i could name.
Jay is def not a goat
slanhelvete you trying to be funny?
The fact it’s 2018 and he’s still discussed in the GOAT convo speaks for itself. One of the greatest to ever do it.
It’s 2023 and him and Tupac reportedly still earns 100 million a year on their likeness.
@@RampageYIhas next to nothing to do with anything lol.
@@tomsnowden6201 well that's a stupid comment. Rappers who's been dead for 30 years still makes hundreds of millions of dollars because people like, love, appreciate, admire and worship damn near them for their rapping means next to nothing to you. You got it fam.
@@RampageYI Money is by no means an indicator of quality..if that’s the case Taylor swift murders both of them as a musical artist..diddy did it for real
@@tomsnowden6201 after the artist has been dead for 30 years it does.
Also, I feel like people are underrating both Ready to Die and Life After Death. They were not just two "hot" albums, they were genre defining, industry shifting pieces of art. I personally feel like The Beatles would still be in the running for greatest rock group if they only released Rubber Soul and Revolver, Biggie I feel should still be treated the same way.
Same could be said about Kendrick with GKMC and TPAB, which I would argue are better albums than Ready to Die and Life After Death (I would argue TPAB is greatest album of all time). Plus Kendrick has 4 more great albums to back up his GOAT claim.
Y is this more about jay z then biggie🤔
Because "he" thinks Jay-Z is
Some Brooklyn "Who's the Greatest" ish
Because you only watched the first minute
Anh-Tu Ngoc biggie was about to change his topics but he died
Jahmar D'angelo because HOV THE GOAT
Ready to die is enough to label him the GOAT, the same way Illmatic is enough to label Nas, most GOAT rappers have only 2-3 classics including Pac, Nas, DMX, Eminem, Kanye, Jay z etc, so Biggie definitely is a GOAT. He has two of the best albums ever and he's proved himself technically, it's a no brainer, he's definitely worthy of the GOAT tag.
lightning zoldyck *THANK YOU.*
lightning zoldyck i disagree with that state ment. not that biggie or Nas isn't a goat the fact the goat rappers have 2-3 classic albums . Kid cudi has 2 (3 if you wanna count a kid named cudi but im not) Kendrick has 2 and Cole has one for sure (fnl ) and alot consider 2014 fhd a classic but you don't see them in convo for the Goat (besides kdot)
Commandosoap777 Cudi's last 4 or 5 projects have been truly horrible. Commercial appeal is a part of the conversation and Cudi flat out hasn't had that since his debut. J. Cole gets bogged down by basically refusing to have features. I love his music, but J. Cole just doesn't appeal to the general public. Kendrick might end up being THE goat but old heads keep saying it's too early.
its obvious you dont get it.
Based on just lyrical content alone J. Cole has more than proven himself in my opinion. Just wanted to point that out and lyricism is subjective. People tend to weigh in their opinions based on how they like an artist. Even if that said artist does not display much consciousness I don't think that takes away from there all around skill. It only distinguishes them from being just a battle rapper to an MC. That said I do believe biggie is one if not the GOAT as well as Jay-Z. You can see how much they contributed to the game in terns of style an charism Reasonable Doubt can go over peoples heads and is to date the most lyrical album of all time and that won't change anytime soon. Not even Jay can match his first album and he had twenty years to do so. If we don't include the personal and political aspect of MCing than than list of GOAT's would probably be somewhat like this.
1.Jay-z 2.Biggie 3.Eminim 4.Nas and so on
but that's just my opinion.
Nas, Redman, Pharoahe Monch, Black Thought, Andre 3000
+I T 👌🏽
There we go. Nice. Hip-hop head will appreciate this list
Mos Def
LostItt Redman underrated
Knew PAC was the G. O. A. T all-day, every day.
Facts 🙌🏽
as a new guy and hitting every track.. biggie and pac sit on that No.1 spot together bro
@Cobra Terminator how is he gay? Cuz he made a song respecting women? Right after he made a song about the bitches he has?
Biggie did more in 2 albums than all the rappers around today will do in their career
exactly
Ricky not all the rappers around today, he was alright
Ricky nas did more in 1 album that anyone ever
W
Ricky no Kendrick
I think Ready to Die is top 10 rap albums, because it´s in my opinion one of the deepest hip hop albums that still is great sonically. I was on a school trip bus listening to it for the first time, then I heard the song Suicidal Thoughts, and I was out of words. The entire album is a simple Rags to riches concept, but done so masterfully. While Pac often talked about societies problems, he rarely talked about his deep problems. While he talked about shooting and robbing he was talking about how bad it is, for example in Gimme the loot. And the line in Juicy about people calling the police is genius. He painted the gangster struggle in a way nobody else has. It´s like a less direct version of ScHoolboy Q´s Oxymoron, the way he compares the positives and negatives of his life. Rarely we get an album that talks about childhood and adulthood in such a way. Just let me quote some lines to help you understand.
Suicidal thoughts: I know my mother wish she got a fucking abortion.
Juicy: Goddamn I love my life, cause I went from negative to positive.
While Jay-Z and most other rappers when doing brag-raps sound like they think they´re better than us (especially with the I fucked your bitch concept), I sympathize with Biggie, that´s why I think Juicy is one of the saddest rap songs, along with Kanye´s Hey Momma for the same reason, because when he finally reached success he died.
After listening to this album I thought of Biggie like some close friend who I´m afraid for.
While I didn´t like Life after Death so much, it´s still one of the best technical rap albums. His flow is unstoppable on that project.
Pac seemed to delve into his personal issues more so than Big did. So Many Tears is one example but there are countless others. Letter to my Unborn Child and Do For Love come to mind. I suggest you listen to more of his work.
pac rarely talked about his deepest problems??wtf you talking about?pac did that alot,,,havent you heard songs like my only fear of death.pac rap about his deepest problems alot.
ChannelX I only listened to MATW and his Greatest hits, but I plan to give all his albums a listen. Could you suggest to me a Pac album to listen to?
SkyRip I would have recommended Me Against The World first and foremost. You should already know how personal his music is since you've heard it before. I'm confused as to why you'd think otherwise. His first three albums are his most personal, though. Big's storytelling may appeal to you more than Pac's raw emotion.
Out of all the rappers this guy's the one who died? It's not fair... god please, if you're out there, take 69, Lil Pump and Lil Xan and give us Pac, Big and Eazy back!
Nah man, rather big pun, proof and pac
Eazy? Nah, give us Big L back
Agreed man, they would fix this mumble rap crap that’s so popular nowadays. Make rap great again!
Clout Lord fair point, I just think they would’ve had a good effect on the industry. At least we’d have more lyrical rappers to listen to but I see your point
Relax
The way most people rate a rappers GOAT status
1. Fame
2. Rapping ability
3. Longevity
You forgot to mention discography.
@Jalazel sounds like eminem
Charism impact message work alcoolhic
@Jalazel
I can see giving him a lower score on message, but he should be 9 or 10 on everything else.
@Jalazel
It's a waste trying to argue this stuff
Something hit me when I was listening to "Machine Gun Funk," what if Biggie's plans were to tell a story about being above the gangster kind of life? He says we know the story, but it would only be a piece of his life - not the whole thing. There was a lot more life to live, and it's sad we'll never know how he would have matured as an artist.
Joseph Thornton he wasnt gangster though he was private schooled or something
? ? The nigga was selling drugs & dropped out of school to be in the streets
In 1992 Biggie was on some tribe shit. The gangsta shit came later. I was bumping B.I.G. since bad boy was a polite sperm.
Stfu Trolls his mom tells all he was in a private school she says biggie was privilege
Stfu Trolls
Selling drugs and dropping out of school dont make you gangsta lol
jay z blew after pac n big died that a fact
HOUSE SESSION Future was on point wit that
That doesn't mean he blew BECAUSE they died. Logical Reasoning Fail.
The argument that Jay only blew bc Big and Pac died is made by fuck boys with the rap IQ of DJ Akademics. Their deaths made it harder or Jay to become the GOAT. He was competing with the insurmountable legend of ghosts. NAS v JAY is an easier comparison bc they have had equally sustained careers and produced a body of work in the different eras that we can judge and compare to see whose been consistently greater. You arguably will never defeat two legends who died in their prime. This argument is stupid. Jay Z's Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Hard Knock Life, Black Album, American Gangster, Blueprint 3, and 444 out of Big and Pacs ashes and when they died, he wasn't even the next in line. If the death created a vaccum of greatness that pushed the next person in without regard for their merit, then Method Man, Redman, LL, Raekwon, Nas, Andre 3K, Rakim, Raekwon, or any number of the other dozen rappers bigger than him would have been the goAT who went on to break Beatles records, drop more classics in every decade since, and give the world Kanye. This shit is dumb.
Yeah I agree wit 2PAC OBAMA, I think Nas and Jay are a better comparison. Just because somebody realized their true potential later in life don't mean they're not as great as the people who succeeded earlier. But all in all I think Nas gets the nod on this convo. Sure Jay is more mainstream and has more recognition with his charisma and wit, but Nas was always the better lyricist, no doubt in my mind.
Shawn Wang nas is way better than biggie anyway
If not the greatest, for sure the illest!
Not the greatest nor the illest.
Biggie is thee most Overrated person I've ever met in my whole fucking life q
@@orenkyte8387 Not more overrated than Pac
People miss PAC more than they miss Biggie.. Fact. Respect to both legends.
Nazreen Khongrymmai ofcs Bigge didn’t do shit
Fayaz - Jump Street looool the freestyle of both of them only Tupac freestyles Bigge didn’t he got the verse from a song and Tupac gave big poppa to Bigge learn ur facts before u talk on a legends name pussy
You say facts like you have that to back it up,lol
@@Jumpstreet_ “biggie could freestyle, pac couldn’t” go and type Tupac freestyle right now and if it doesn’t pop up, imma give you a 1000 dollars
Biggie was a fuckin beast but nobody reached me like Pac
OG Bobby Makaveli Tha Don
church
OG Bobby tru
true
OG Bobby true im the same way i like Nas Common Talib Kweli but no one reached me like Tupac
Why do people act like BIG wasn't deep as a Artist. His Albums were dark sonicaly and had messages in them..He had songs like Suicidal thoughts, Sky is the Limit, Everyday Struggle, Mo Money more problems, You're nobody til somebody kills you. He wasn't just an Radio rapper that could flow.
Tim Frieden but all those songs were on the albums he just named. Listen to some PAC and you'll know why biggie isn't the goat.
# Facts Not saying Big is the Goat, Pac Albums are inconsistent and not as well put together as B.I.G's only two projects. B.I.G had way better flows and the beats sounded better sonically..Tupac albums have tons of filler don't lie. Quality over Quantity. I just think Pac was more of a icon off the mic that's why we put him up so high, his persona was one of a kind. But on the mic pac not fucking with B.i.G as a MC
Yeh Biggie could touch lightly on some deep subjects but Tupac touched people on a far deeper level than any other MC..and his delivery was more heartfelt and passionate..he covered a huge range of issues and subjects in his body of work in 4 years, that most artists need 20 yrs to write.
markus2377 Pac was more political but never had no bars and never switched his flows yes he talked about various things but it was all general things that you easily can identify with...Societal issues, war on black america etc..He told stories but the music behind the stories weren't up to par with his lyrics..Biggie told the stories of the streets in a grittier and more realistic way..He was way darker and spoke for ones on the outside of society. He was a suicidal poet . He was deeper in his soul while Pac was more wise so to speak..But when you look at it in a musical aspect Big's albums are far better put together from the production to his rhyme schemes, the use of melody and the overall consistency. You have to think he was only 24 when he died I'm just trying to figure out why people like to label him as a flashy rick ross type artist when he isn't . He was a true MC.
+Tim Frieden big was deeper in his soul ? Have you even listened to much Tupac? He is the deepest MC of all time, and Tupac also died at 24-25 yrs old and accomplished much much more than mot artists do in a lifetime..bigs productions were great because of Puffy..that's all..BIG is def one of the greatest but PAC was on a level of his own as an artist.
I can listen to both of Biggie's albums from beginning to end and all those trucks are banging I can't say that about any other rapper so in my book biggie is the goat
Biggie was all commercial, except for a few select tracks. He only ever talked about money and women and the gangster life. One could argue that he was never given a chance to be concious because of his untimely demise.
Mega Rayquaza Gaming Extremely wrong he had emotional and socially conscious songs. Like everyday struggle, skys the limit, suicidal thoughts, miss U etc
@@Craig-gq4gb but is still was less of a catalog nas is like better version of bigge
Obviously you've only heard his most popular songs.
@@htownmethe2937 Nas fell TF off and more importantly, sold out
reasonable doubt is a classic but future is on point with what he said
no he's not. Jay Z was considered great when it came out to rap literate people who knew the culture. Reasonable Doubt was a classic, but wasn't commercially successful until later. People forget Jay Dame & Biggs were independent. Unheard of in NY at that time bc you needed label backing and radio play. They started their own label on drug money and shot videos and still blew up but not immediately. Illmatic was a slow seller the first year out the gate too. It didn't go platinum until after his IWW album came out, just like RD. Yet, NAS was on a label, so was Big, & Pac they had head starts and more marketing.
ALiX XiNG No he wasn't fam nobody really cared about Jay until Hard Knock Illmatic wasn't a commercial success but it made an impact on hip hop, Reasonable Doubt didn't do that cuz it sounded like everything else. Nas said it on Last Real Nigga Alive. Nas and Big dropped classic debut albums wit one feature on each,Jay tried to come out the gate swinging wit features and didn't catch on at the time
Antonio Evans reasonable don't was is rise from the streets to the Fame "no more Wily prefer you call me William" he was growing and developing. And listen to the album and you'll find that song lyrics that makes it all come to light
ALiX XiNG Main stream america didn't care about Jay until the Annie song that's facts he tried to appeal to them with In My Life Time flopped then went back to the streets with the Streets Is Watching movie
Future is a clever nigga
yeah he isn't the GOAT bc Nas is.
Talk that shit!!!
absolutely, nobody was ever close to Nas, he was way ahead of his time
The R. That song is incredible, but making a better diss track at someone, doesn't make you better than them overall
M. Man nas only had one good album. It was written was too mainstream, I am/ Nastradamus were average at best.
Nas is the greatest we've seen at this point in time. I always thought it was interesting how people chose BIG over Nas when Illmatic is considered one of the greatest - if not the greatest - Rap albums of all time (ranked higher than Ready to Die). Neither of the 2 Biggie albums can touch that one album (which happens to be a debut), so based off that alone, I always gave it to Nas by default.
Guru Of Gang starr must be the most underrated Mc to ever bless the Mic
Man. Im sick of seeing top tens that dont include Guru. Shit is weird as
@@beegnutz
What's so weird about it? Guru was just a serviceable MC who got by on DJ Premier's beats.
I believe the Vox video explains it very well, Biggie changed the way people looked at flow forever. He's not THE goat in my book but he's gotta be top 10 at least just for how crucial his first album was. It's the blueprint of a hip hop album (just as much as Illmatic if not more) and his next 2 were fantastic as well.
Nas, Tupac, Biggie, Eminem, Immortal Technique, Big L, Diabolic, Talib Kwali, Lupe Fiasco, Big Pun, Kendril, Jay Cole, Wu Tang are all incredibly great.
Biggie is great, I love everything he did. But when somebody plays Pac is get more excited.
Tupac's vocab is more poetic. He uses words in his rhymes that most rappers don't use.
Its cause of the beats
Reasonable Doubt was the first time we heard an introspective drug dealer in rap. Songs like "Regrets" took a look at the game from a different perspective than "money hoes and clothes"
Been saying Tupac was the GOAT after he dropped the Makaveil album, the debating is just goofy🤣😂
I have to respectfully disagree when it comes to Jay-Z. I know a lot of people are not big fans of Jay-Z I hear it all the time especially in Texas but if you really listen to Reasonable Doubt Jay-Z does show that range of personal awareness and social awareness. You have songs like "can I live" " 22 twos" D'Evils you have songs like "Dead Presidents" Jay-Z shows his range in that album you just either not actually listening to the album or the album is so complex that it goes over your head because Jay-Z does use a lot of metaphors now I have to kind of agree with future Jay-Z was not hot until after Biggie and Pac because Jay-Z's first two albums was questionable his career was on the line until he dropped his third album Hard Knock Life that's when you started seeing Jay-Z as a mainstream artist. now if you want to put in rapper in the light of not showing personal awareness social awareness and just all about money cars clothes and hoes Lil Wayne is that example after Carter 1 which is one of Lil Wayne's best and personal albums that he's ever put out all his other albums are about money cars clothes hoes his mixtapes are all about money cars clothes and hoes and. he shows no personal experience he says no social awareness. I mean honestly what can you tell me about Lil Wayne what have you learned about Lil Wayne as in what has he gone through personally in life what is Lil Wayne's story pretty much other than this is the kid that was with cash money yes fine but Lil Wayne never talked about his childhood and his raps he never talks about his upbringing he never talks about his personal relationship with his mother he never talks about his personal relationship with his dad or anything like that. but I bet you know Jay-Z story I bet you know biggie story I bet you know Tupac story you know Nas story you know Eminem story but you know nothing about Lil Wayne but that's my opinion that's my argument peace love and happy New Years to everyone and much success to you all God bless
Lil Wayne does have a song about his father passing. I distinctively remember seeing the video for it on 106& Park and it really stood out to me because it was very heartfelt.
Dang you right. I forgot about that song. However, not a lot cares about Lil Wayne's first 3 albums.
Justin White that's true, I mean he does have his core fans that's been with him from the gate of course but even I myself didn't really pay attention to him til he dropped that Go DJ joint and then took off from there. I'm just saying that I have seen him get personal more than once.
I feel ya bro. You be surprised how many people think Carter 1 was his first album.
Justin White lmao I've never heard anyone say that before but I can definitely imagine it. Who do you listen to?
I hate when people just tell you that so and so is the goat, but I love when people explain why they think that. Don't state your opinion as fact, tell us why you think that way.
Faxxx
Agreed. I'll respect any opinion if you can back it up👍🏽
People act like there can only be one GOAT when actuality there can be multiple, this is a fact if said rapper is respected by other rappers then they are a GOAT period, if they added something new to hip hop they are a GOAT, saying one is better than another is ridiculous, because the all made an impact in different ways. If they had an impact on Hip Hop they are a GOAT, unless someone can break down each rappers greatest albums and explain why it isn't as good as every other rapper in the running for GOAT then there is no reason trying to act like one is greater than another, anyone in the running to be a GOAT is a GOAT period: Ice Cube, Biggie, Nas, Eminem, 2Pac, Immortal Technique, KRS-One, Big L, Big Pun, LL Cool J, MF Doom, Jay-Z, Tech N9ne, Andre 3000, Rakim, Snoop Dogg, Ghostface Killah, Redman, GZA, Raekwon, Slick Rick, Lil Wayne, Lauren Hill, Queen Latifah, Common, Mos Def, Scarface, DMX, Kendrick Lamar, Q-Tip, Busta Rhymes, Lupe Fiasco, Kool M Dee, Canabis, Talib Kwali, MC Lyte, Black Thought, Chuck D, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap and that list will grow as rap music continues
Tupac Shakur was real
2pac by far, he had it all, he was on another level
Except lyricism
@@stefanjelin1902 biggest joke ever.
@@stefanjelin1902 pac was a better lyricist than biggie
I don't know why bro was hiding behind the ''my opinion'' shit, no stop it no sane individual is going to get at you for saying the truth Biggie and Jay didn't have a Keep Ya Head Up, Holla If Ya Hear Me, Brenda's Got A Baby. It's not an opinion its fact Biggie was not a politically aware artist, well as far as his content that is.
You're right but I don't think he was aiming to be that type of rapper. I've always said BIG was the GOAT flow/delivery artist.
Even in his time there were better lyricists but no one could flow as nice as he could, maybe today it's different since flow and delivery have become the top priority so it would make sense that rappers nowadays flow incredibly well but that doesn't take away that in his time no one could flow as nice as he could.
The only 90s rapper that I think holds a candle to BIG is Big Pun and he didn't debut until after BIG had passed, if you want to talk overrall GOATs I think Big Pun is it, he had the flow the lyrics and he even had some conscious rap content which BIG didn't.
"Either you slanging crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot" that's pretty aware if you ask me
Samuel Gonzalez Content wise Tupac put out plenty of garbage as well. If all you want is great subjective content rap, just listen to Chuck D, Kool moe dee , KRS ONE, and public enemy for the rest of your life.
whatthehellvideos so one bar makes you a conscious rapper?
That's the thing tho... Every person can find a piece that they like in Tupac's discography. Gangsta rap, conscious themes or 90s party jams. Pac had everything in him. That's what makes him a GOAT imo.
And he delivered em with such a passion too...
I honestly think Big L is a bigger 'what if' than Biggie
And if you can answer Big L vs Biggie in less than at least 10 minutes, you trippin'
The Archibald big L overrated
The Archibald he is
Possibly the dumbest comment here. Big L was a nobody when he was alive, Biggie was literally KONY.
Rookie2Vet You're young. Big L was dope in the 90's. I heard his music back then. But then again, I'm from NY.
No one really felt jay z the first time they heard him. He was spitting fire but shit just never stuck.
That one oj song is the only one that sorta stuck, but I don’t remember it being lyrical
We know what Biggie's life would look like if he didn't die - Puffy would leave him by the wayside, he'd flip out and leave Bad Boy, and then he'd fall off for five years. Once his contract was finished he'd join Weight Watchers, lose 60lbs, and come back as just POPPA.
till this day ready to die is my favorite hip hop album of all time, and producer easy mo bee killed the production on that joint.
Definitely agree. Easy Mo Bee wrecked shop.
Range of topics isn't a big enough problem to take someone out of the goat convo. Biggie isn't great because he addressed a lot of issues, he's great because of his flows, wordplays, and lyricism.
This video deadass should be titled "watch me hate on a deceased artists and bring up other artists I hate."
in terms of actually spitting and flowing biggie is second to none
Speaking of Outkast... that would be an episode.
Ian Cropley Wish granted
How do you have a conversation with future?
Have you heard him talk, or are you just running with a tired joke?
SpottieOttie Yeah ive heard him talk and he rarely talks with any real substance.
Myke The conversation they were having in the barbershop was full of substance.. It was a fair point and he was right IMO
X_Online Not really
Myke How was he not right. Please explain to me how what he stated about Jay wasn't right. Jay wasn't hot when Big and Pac were around. Reasonable Doubt started popping after they died. So where was he wrong?
That baby knows great music!!!!!!
If you pay attention to the order of Biggies verses and the story that unfolds within them, you see just how deep of an artist he was. He was paving a path to unfold his story and tell of his life, his struggles, the hustles, the issues faced with black culture and society. It's all there if you pay attention and you can see that he had every intention of developing on these ideas as his career would have unfolded. There's no doubt that if his career was allowed to develop further he'd have become a staple in the GOAT discussion, I mean he already is and he only had 2 albums. It took 6 albums for Jay Z to even throw himself into the conversation.
This may be true, but everything you said can be said about Kendrick, with the added fact that Kendrick proved himself past 2 albums and Biggie never got a chance to. PLUS I would argue that Kendrick's best 2 albums, GKMC and TPAB are better than Biggie's.
it's a funny world that we live in
so you're discussing lil Wayne as the Goat and on the other hand you're saying that biggie isn't the Goat
it's not about quantity it's about quality
what biggie did in three years , lil Wayne won't do in a million years
life after death and ready to die are one the greatest albums of all Time can lil Wayne compete with that
Well, it's a series, so a number of artists have been and will be covered. Second, it's all about perspective, which is what the GOAT series aims to capture. Thanks for checking it Notorious Makavelli.
NOTORIOUS MAKAVELLI Wayne has Carters 1-3, Dedication 2, drought 3 and no ceilings
Carter 5 gonna be a classic as well
True Wayne shouldnt be compared to Biggie at all
Wayne's prime run was quality stuff tho
Notice every comment about biggie includes 2pac, just a thought
Because they a pair there beef and deaths link them
not really
Right 2pac made him famous. If tupac wouldn't diss him and both died way they did u wouldn't hear nothing.
B- Bitter if pac made biggie famous then it was most probably all a dream... See what I did there
@@b-bitter91 You clearly was not born at that time. BIG would blow up no matter what, and I am sure BIG was bigger then Pac the entire last half of the 90s. That's what it felt like at least.
Bruh said he was a BONE THUGS fan growing up, but ain't even mention Biggies Flow on NOTORIOUS THUGS 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. The way he switched up his flow to match Bone on that track 😳😯😮= 🐐
Honestly, I NEVER liked Jay Z & I STILL don't. He isn't even 2% as good as BIG & doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Tupac. Nas said everything than could & should have been said in Ether.
Why Biggie's not the best is really fucking simple. He only released two studio albums! You can't be considered the greatest of all time with such a lack of content and longevity. A lot of people can put out two hot albums. Just imagine if 50 Cent was killed after the Massacre dropped...
Tomn8er is Get Rich or Die Trying better than Ready to Die.... Not even close
Tomn8er it's the impact he had with two albums. You know with a third album he would have still killed it. There isn't one song from those two albums that you can say, shit I didn't like that one to much.
Tomn8er if DMX was killed after the release of “and then there was x”
My god your idiotic theory really gives me a headache
Tomn8er after the massacre 50 would never be considered the greatest stop smoking crack
Biggie is the Greatest of all time, in my opinion. I know he only released two albums ("Ready To Die" and "Life After Death"), but it's not about the quantity, it's about the quality of the work. With just one album, "Ready To Die", he was able to change rap. I use the phrase, "change rap" because prior to the release of "Ready To Die" West Coast hip hop was dominating. "Ready To Die" was the album that ultimately led to the resurgence of the East Coast hip hop scene. It's incredible for an artist to have that level of success and impact after just one album. "All Eyez on Me" was Tupac Shakur's fourth album; "Vol 2...Hard Knock Life" was Jay Z's third studio album. I use those two examples because those are the albums that gave those artists crossover success.
I also think Biggie is the greatest lyricist of all time. BIG was not a socially conscious rapper. He was more of an entertainer than a socially conscious poet. But, the fact that he didn't make socially conscious records doesn't make him less of a rapper. Bob Dylan made socially conscious music, Frank Sinatra didn't- but Frank Sinatra was still a better singer. Luther Vandross didn't make socially conscious music, but he is still one of the greatest R&B male vocalists of all time.
Another reason why I feel BIG is the GOAT is because his art sold. "Ready to Die" was certified 4x platinum by the RIAA in 1999. "Life After Death" sold 690,000 copies in its first week, and was certified diamond by the RIAA in 2000. So BIG had critical acclaim and commercial success right from the beginning. NAS's debut album, "Illmatic, was critically acclaimed, but didn't sell. Jay-Z's "Reasonable Doubt" is a masterpiece but initially it didn't sell.
Biggie was also more efficient than most rappers. He was able to produce a specific outcome (his music) with a minimum amount or quantity of waste or unnecessary effort. People that worked with him say almost everything he recorded was usable material (it was good enough to be used). If an artist has a vault of unreleased music hidden away, to me that says that most of that material was unusable (it wasn't good enough to be released).
Biggie was also one of the most influential artists of all time. He influenced Jay Z, Lil' Kim, JADAKISS, and several others.
I respect everyone's opinion. Music is subjective. But, Biggie is my guy (the GOAT).
lombe Ng'andu I agree completely biggie and Hov my top 2
Tupac had far wider range when it came to different flows, different moods, emotion, and subject matter...and never come off sounding corny. His words and rhymes may not seem as flashy but they hold significantly more weight, I would say he had the widest range of any rapper or MC ever.
I don't believe it was just ready to die that changed rap. You have to include 36 chambers and illmatic, as they were just as if not more important
Doom will always be the GOAT to me
lombe Ng'andu He is huge influence but a GOAT no. His Life After Death only went diamond because it was released not long after he died. Everyone knows that deceased artist make more money. Plus, lyrically Eminem could beat him. He would be challenged but would still lose. Watch both Eminem and BIG's freestyles. Plus, one deserve the GOAT title more than LL Cool J. Do some research on him then respond. And I'm not just talking from the surface.
The fact that jay z used a lot of Big's verse in his song prove how influential Biggie is from a musical standpoint ;)
One correction: Biggie was 24 years old when he passed. 7:00
Renegade?? I think we can all agree that's owned by Eminem.
john amos lmao stop calling anyone who tells the truth Stan
john amos exactly. Eminem's verse was AMAZING from a lyrically technical standpoint however Jay Z's verses were meaningful and had deep and impactful lines while also giving you some technically brilliant rhymes (not far off from Eminem). People act as if Jay Z spat the wackest bars of all time and that it was worse than Omelly's freestyle on Sway. "Mmmm mmmm mmmmmmmmm. Mmmm mmm mmm mmmm mmmmm mmm" 😂 😂😂😂😂 but seriously, give Jay some credit
No........It's Eminem's song. But it was given to Jay for that album. His verse was on both versions and Jay's replaced Royce's. Em didn't even have to change it up. Jay may not have flowed nicely but his verse his great. You can probably find both on RUclips.
+Official DMC Jay's verse had more meaning? i think em's brilliant technicality veered your attention away from what his lines meant. Jay lacked in technicality hence he had no jaw dropping rhymes to snatch your focus away from what he was saying. A hard hitting rhyme from eminem would leave your mind bewilderment and force you to decipher and swallow that lyrical moment. By that time em would have already rapped on. when your attention was back and trying to follow what he had rapped right after his punchline, he would again release another punchline or double entandre, thus leaving your mind in a cycle of bafflement.
Trevin Fernandes never said it had more or less meaning than Em's verse, it's just that Jay's verse is much better than people think it is and Renegade wasn't a complete Eminem landslide as some would have you believe
There's no GOAT. Anybody who changes the face of hip hop is a GOAT.
King David 314 a ton a rappers have changed the game
I like that perspective. Thanks, KD.
***** thanks a lot.
Derryl So exactly. There's no one goat. Tupac is one, Rakim, Grandmaster Caz, Ice Cube. Everybody has had a contribution that's etched in time is a goat.
King David 314 true
Biggie would have been better without Puffy.
He ruined biggie and he ruined mase...listen to mase before diddy...mase from the children of the corn was heat...then diddy commercialized him made him a lame
Ik puffy was an idiot a clown and a selfish pig but he was good to biggie and helped him develop
@@rileyfreeman9726 he clearly wasn't an idiot, he's still alive and rich as fuck
@Jalazel Woulda been Coolio? Gtfoh with that
Trust me he wouldn’t Bigge wouldn’t be shit juicy wouldn’t be a thing it would but not by bigge
You can be the greatest of your time, era, age, or whatever but there's NO SUCH THING as the G.O.A.T.
biggie was dope no doubt,but nobody gives you tht feeling like 2pac! NAS AND EMINEM are the dopest ever in my opinion!
MrTiofil Agree. Those 3 dudes are in my top 5 greatest emcees list.
MrTiofil IMO, ain't nobody got bars like Biggie, Pac and Nas. Those 3 are UNTOUCHABLE
to be be perfectly frank, i love 2pac as much as biggie, but recently while playing my NAS radio playlist on pandora, they somehow put 2pac on the list, and i just felt annoyed by his voice. just not in the mood for him, but as soon as listen to biggie or nas, it just puts me at ease. Strange, really, i used to rock to "God bless the dead" by PAC all the time, love the production on it. and no, its not about biggie, its about Big Drik, who went by biggie smalls on the streets. but yeah, no 2pac for now i guess.
r0ck3t maybe your going through an emotional meltdown lol
:) ignorance at it best, base on what you read, you're making assumptions. Failure must of been common through out your lifetime. No meltdown in sight for me. I'm single, no kids, no worries, no debt. I'm enjoying life to the fullest. I will say, it's going to be a year on January 6, since i lost my closest friend to cancer, but you wouldn't know nothing about that. I suggest you keep your mouth shut, you're not funny at all buddy. :) Good day sir.
you should do a video on Big L in the future.
He made "You Must Love Me" in his early catalogue (vol.1) which is probably his most emotional song ever, in vol.3 and Roc la familia, there was also songs that showed huge range whether art-wise or personal-wise. Song cry is a great song but I am pretty sure that he had way better songs in his earlier catalogue that are of the same material.
RD was so visual. Thematically it was ahead of it's time. One of the best hip hop albums ever.
nobody had flow like B.I.G. and no one will ever have...
Ivan Azenic big pun ...
Big Dog If biggie isnt the GOAT, he is one of them. Goes without saying
Biggies flow will never be matched
King Lamooza fuck, I take it all back
Kool G rap ..
"I'm not saying biggie wasn't the greatest. But I can't say he is the greatest" What the hell are you saying?
SJW 4LIFE he is saying Biggie could have been the greatest when he was alive but he can't say is the greatest of all time
How can you not interpret that by yourself
SJW 4LIFE he's saying he could have been the greatest but we can't know because he was taken so young so it's not great to call him the best.
Jesus Christ Yes exactly!
Biggie had a too short career... just like Pac...
They're still great tho! 🙌
He was saying that he doesn’t say you’re a not if you think biggie’s the goat, but he doesn’t see how he would be
The Notorious B.I.G is the greatest rapper of all time period hands down
You HAVE to do a video like this for Big L. That man was something else.
Tru dat! Along wid Ra & Jeru, L was the tru masta. Jus check his vocabs on Stretch & Bob Show. A real "rhyme converter" who was on like that.
Rakim is the GOAT no dispute
Wayne Kerr Preach!
I think Biggie is the goat because he had two albums and is considered the goat if Jay just had his first two as his only albums he would have been swept under the rug. This is also the same for Tupac his first two albums wasn't as dope as his last two that he was alive for imo
Jamie greene well said young Jedi! The Force is with you! Nah but i agree no one has had two better albums thn biggie imo
Jamie greene Ready to Die > Reaonable Doubt > Life After Death > In My Lifetime, Vol. 1
life after death went diamond
Jamie greene Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me and Makaveli are all classic albums. His first two albums had Brenda's Got A Baby and I Get Around which alone shit on most rappers entire catalogues. Shakur is the best to ever do it.
Jada Kiss and Styles P should also be in any discussion.
Ready to Die had 4 emotional tracks that took up a quarter of the album (not counting the 2 bonus tracks) , that’s that same criteria that was given to the Blueprint that qualified it as emotional. Big did this on his FIRST album, this alone proves his range. Not even counting all the times and tracks he opened up on Life After Death, AS WELL AS his rap range physically and storytelling-wise (Notorious Thugs, Ni**as Bleed, Somebody’s Gotta Die, Kick in the Door, Going Back to Cali, on and on). He met all the requirements Justin listed, so ??? Honestly I feel people hate on Biggie bc they feel he’s overrated. One of the only times I really didn’t see Justin’s point tbh even tho I know where he’s coming from.
B.I.G Lacked the greater message YES! But he used the environment that surrounded him, he didnmt use those tracks to prove that he's a top notch gangster, not until he tells a story in which money hunger, drugs,and, hoes cause problems, he made people get off those sinful activities, if he lived longer he would've as you said be talking about political issues giving his opinion on the way, kinda like Jay-Z+2Pac+NaS or more logicly, Rakim, the only artist with both socio-political charged effective meaningful lyrical prowess AND the heartfelt strong mic shattering delivery! AND OF COURSE KEEPING WHAT MADE HIM BIG IN BOTH MEANINGS, THE COMMERCIAL TOUCH AND INTRODUCTION!.....
You’re prideful of NY. It’s obvious man that’s every bigge fan because he’s honestly not that great. Neither is Jay Z.
Do Andre 3000!
+1
+Clear “Sky” Friday I said that in another video. Pound for pound the greatest lyricist of all time
genneralOG I've been waiting ages for that
Jay more introspective than he gave him credit for
@Sneeko Skeemz
Not really
Kee-pyor Myndopen yes really
@@poerava yes really tf
@Michaell Alexander my comment from 3 yrs ago. Wtf yall talkin bout? I dont remember, not that it matters. I know my shit
Say he is not the goat but he will always be the king of Brooklyn facts 💯🎤
MF DOOM always seems to be looking at you in the background
I believe that’s Quasimoto instead
Tupac and Biggie are unmatched. Their names will constantly be on repeat throughout the history of rap, present to future.
All you're talking about is how better Jay-Z was than Biggie. Nigga Jay-Z was known to steal off Biggie after he died, puffy gave him his rhyme book and Jay-Z used that to his advantage for years, that's a part of why he was so successful.
Memba Chewbacca prove it.
Jay Z stole bars from Big L, Tupac , Biggie , KRS One
Biggie - "The World Is Filled"
"When the Remi's in the system, ain't no tellin
Will I fuck em will I diss em, that's what these hoes yellin
I'm a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all still chase on, I'll replace on, punks
Drunk of Dom"
Jay-Z - "Give It 2 Me"
"When the Remi's in the system, ain't no tellin
Will I fuck 'em will I diss 'em, that's what they be yellin
I'm a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all be chasin, I replace them, huh?
Drunk off Crist"
Big L - (on the 7 minute 95' freestyle with Jigga)
"All I got for chicks is hard dick and bubble gum
Jay-z - "A Million and One Questions "
"All I got for chicks is hard dick and bubble gum"
2pac - "My Ambitionz Az a Rydah"
"My attitude is fuck it, and muthafuckaz love it"
Jay-z "Blueprint 2"
"My attitude is fuck it, and muthafuckaz love it"
2pac - "Against All Odds"
"This is payback, i knew you bitch niggaz from way back
Jay-z - "Blueprint 2"
"This is payback, i knew you bitch niggaz from way back
2pac - "Me and my Girlfriend"
"All I need in this life of sin, is me and my girlfriend"
Jay-Z - "Bonnie and Clyde 03'"
"All I need in this life of sin, is me and my girlfriend"
Biggie have without question two of the best rap albums of all time in Ready To Die and Life After Death so that in itself have earned him heavy recognition as one of the 🐐
True, but you can say the same about Kendrick, Andre 3K, Nas, Tupac, and Eminem, and they have other great albums IN ADDITION to their 2 that are in the best of all time. Therefore, I would put all of these other rappers above Biggie.
I personally think Rakim and 2Pac easily outclass biggie
quality over Quantity.
Time is a factor too.
HipHopDX That's Also True
Notice the more recognition the artists get after they pass away.
For all ya HipHop heads one of Biggies BEST lyrical verses is on the 2nd part of "Can't Stop The Reign" by Shaq.
Biggie is INSANE on the 2nd part!
Randy Newman is mostly known now for his silly old man music, but he was a serious singer-songwriter back in the day.