Great video. I have the 450MT as well. (I'm an older rider) A very good effort to establish the parameters of the bike. Thanks for putting the video up for us. A few points from Australia if I may, and these are just my opinions and perspective. * CFMoto say that the 'T' in MT stands for Tourer. Multi Tourer to be precise. * If through the slushy lanes is the riding you want to do all the time then a more dedicated bike might be appropriate for that. The MT is a bit top heavy when going very slow, as you (and I) have discovered. I noticed the much lighter 250 trail bike was easier to handle in those conditions (because it was designed for it). * The MT doesn't have a dedicated 'dirt bike' architecture but incorporates some dirt bike features. More of a friendlier Tenere, Vstrom or Africa Twin. As many people have noted. And at a fraction of the price. * The fact that people are ripping the MT through really hard stuff and it is handling it so well is a credit to the designers I think. But, in my opinion, it is a mistake to think of the MT as a 'dirt bike'. * Here in Oz we often have to ride hundreds of kilometres on highways and motorways to get to the back farm roads and tracks. This is where the 'MT' lives up to it's title - Multi-Tourer. Here in OZ the dirt-blatters who want to rip up the bush for the riding thrills will often trailer their duel-sports to the destination. * I bought my MT because I want to use it to explore, and it's multi-functionality is very good. It has tons of power, stability and comfort for the motorway, Not the level of an Africa Twin maybe, but very good. It is a delight when ambling on country roads and gravel and practically rides itself at moderate speeds. Then, if I encounter a gnarly section it can handle it. The limitation is me. * It is even pretty good on the tarmac twisties. And this is where tyre choice needs a thoughtful approach. Knobblies would help a lot in the mud and sand. But, might they be problematic on the road ? Just asking the question. In summary: I think your video has highlighted the question of bike selection. Ideally, having a stable of two bikes would be ideal. A lightweight duel-sport for the lanes, and a bigger more comfortable bike for all-purpose riding. If a rider can only afford one bike then the MT is a wonderful choice. But I would suggest that older riders in particular need to factor in the limits (especially weight) that you discovered in those conditions. There is no doubt the bike can handle it, but can the rider do so safely? Finding personal boundaries is a life skill, in my opinion. Cheers
Hello, love these comments and thank you for stopping by with them - they are all really valid and thoughtful refections. I will attempt to write a response half as articulate! I agree with much of it and to answer your question - I cannot afford two bikes (this would be the dream and ideal) but in all honesty, with the state of insurance premiums over here, even the one bike is hard for me to keep down at the moment. It's the main reason Ive not ridden the past few years... it's become quite a luxury. Trail bikes with a van or trailer would be IDEAL. But then thats a 'fun' bike, plus another vehicle to transport said bike which is way beyond my financial reach as a creative freelancer. On the flip side, having a trail bike as a dedicated bike just wouldn't work for tours or two up travel which is something I require and do a lot of. Another factor in this is keeping the bike safe - a small trail bike would require more than what I currently have available to me. More aggressive tyres would absolutely mess with the road handling, but it's not an issue for me... If I wanted to have more fun on the roads I'd of kept the interceptor. This is a nice go between! Older riders should absolutely factor in limitations as should any rider - although I would argue that I would not have attempted that hill alone on that bike with those tyres on (even as a 31 year old) with the gate where it was. It's also open to the public, so you have to be respectful and cautious to other users of the route - blazing up it with full momentum wouldn't have been an option. If I was alone, I would have turned back before attempting it. To summarise, I grew up doing MX and riding dirt bikes... and they would absolutely be the best choice for trails I 100% agree - but I need something that can do it all and the MT is great for this. Really appreciate you stopping by with this, it's really thorough and I'm sorry Ive not been able to expand fully on all of it, I hope it is somewhat of a clear response!
@@Papanchasonline I empathise. Making effective choices with limited resources is always a challenge, You are meeting it and sharing the experience with us which is brilliant for us. I hope this doesn't seem patronising, but your video and comment reveal you to be a thoughtful rider. I'm sure you are going to have a ball on the MT. Just a thought. It is a fresh release bike so parts are scarce, but keep an eye out for two spare wheels (maybe aftermarket Ali Express etc) and fit them with alternative tyres. Then and you can have a quick changeover front and back for whatever plans present themselves. Hit the lanes on a weekend, then set the bike for a grand tour the following week on 50/50s. Thats probably impractical, and would sound better over a pint, but it's fun to think about this stuff. Cheers
Really appreciate you coming by the vlog with these comments - I’ll do my best to keep em coming! The wheels is a great idea, first I need to save enough to get the tyres swapped out 💩
I just am crazy mad for this bike, its certainly performs brilliantly, in all terrain, and yeah they are stock tyres but hey, there not that bad, in fact the only riders that change them are the people that do most riding off rd. Awesome stuff, thanks for sharing 🇦🇺💯
SO AM I. Although it's probably pretty obvious from the vlogs... they do fine, it's been nice to put the MT to the test as stock before upgrading anything. Thank you for watching, really appreciate it.
There’s a ton on the screen, predominantly from the terrain, the bars and bike itself is solid in terms of vibrations. Really smooth ride. Thanks Paul!
Great vid Jacob. I got remember getting a little stuck there about 10 years ago on an 1150GS on metzeler tourance tyres, out with the ABR crowd. Thankfully a few people to push then, so I didn't stay stuck. I later changed tyres and it made such a difference.
What a beast of a bike to take up this hill - people can argue the 450 isn't a bike for this kind of work, yet you take a 1150 up there... a bike is what you make it. I think changing the tyres would make all the difference. Look forward to riding with you mate.
Lovely area. Slippery with mud and leaves! And lots of walkers. It is a rarity to come upon walkers in my area (Central Vic.). I still got my MT 450 stock tires. I'll use them over the next 6 months (Our last bit of spring, summer, early autumn, and then look to upgrade! Great video. Love the water crossings!
It is beautiful. I would love to come out your way and experience the terrain out there, must be blazing weather right noe! Very jealous... we have snow here this morning. Thank you amigo! Im going to come check out the channel at some point today.
Pirelli Scorpion Rally tyres aren't for mud or sand. They're good for touring. It's an 80:20 tyre. You need 50:50 for this type of riding. Anyway thanks for the video and well done.
Brilliant mate . That was very enjoyable to watch. The MT and you did really well on stock tyres. Can’t wait to eventually get out on some trails myself 👍
I’m waiting to take delivery of my 450MT. I was a bit on the fence as what to do about the standard tyres, as lots of people are saying they aren’t very good in wet or muddy conditions. After watching this video if the bike arrives and we are still in winter I’ll be putting something more aggressive on like the Michelin Anakee Wilds.
Hey Chris! Absolutely stick some on if you are riding off road in the winter, I would I have had some spare cash BUT it's quite nice to be able to put the bike to the test as stock before I start upgrading
Hello! The pressures I vary... today I dropped each down to 25 (which is still relatively hard) my only worry is the rims on the rocky terrain. Although the others all run around 15 on the trail bikes which is ideal if you actually want traction! The suspension Ive not bothered touching yet, I will once things get a little more technical bit its been left as the dealership set it up for the time being
Let's talk, fellow riders, because I need your help with a dilemma. I currently own '04 CRF 450r, and I've been learning to wrench on it, the engine is healthy, and I changed a few stuff to make it run "like new" but the main issue for me is the running costs when it eventually needs an engine rebuild, it costs 1000+- euros. I have a couple of smaller mountains around me with wide roads where I can open her up, I only ride on weekends and I would love to put a bike on a trailer and go explore other mountains in Serbia. 450mt is 6k, I can sell Honda and pay 3k as a down payment, but my main concern is the weight because it would be like 70kg+ heavier, I also looked at Sherco 300 2stroke but it's 8.8k for last year's model and 9.9 for a 25 model. I know that this little ADV bike is awesome, people love it for a reason, and we have great dealers in Serbia, 4 years of warranty on MT is a great deal, BUT would it suit me on my mountain concerning adventure (not technical enduro riding, more like trails, wide open mountain terrains). I wrote this because the new bike is a new bike, has longer service intervals, and the cost of maintaining any bike compared to an MX bike is cheaper by a landslide. Thanks if you read my comment, and I'm thankful in advance for your suggestions, opinions, etc. Cheers from Serbia ✌
Hey man... I get your point with service intervals... rebuilds etc on the CRF. Totally valid. Although another 1,000 for a total rebuild is still less than buying the MT. The weight is a thing, but once you are moving it feels as light as anything. I come from an MX background, and can confirm that it's nowhere near as light to wrench around or drag about if you need to. But I actually really enjoy the challenge of the extra weight. For less technical trails, you will have an awesome time with this bike. If it gets more technical, just chuck on some more aggressive tyres, it will still manage just fine. What I would also say is that you could get something older and cheaper that will also do the job, if cost is in the question, the CF isn't the only option.
@@Papanchasonline Thanks for the reply mate. I'm 186 tall and 100kg, I have been into powerlifting for years, so handling the heavier bike it not a problem if I have to pick it up, etc. It's just the mental thing, wilding the 70+ kg bike without taking it for a proper test ride for what I would use it mostly is like unknown territory for me haha Financing an MT would not be a problem, but since I'm getting married next year, I'm kind of working on a budget 😅 I would chuck on some enduro tires and change the sprockets because It would not be ridden on the road. I don't know. I'm going to let it simmer a bit during the winter; maybe I'll find something that suits me. Cheers,
Great video. I have the 450MT as well. (I'm an older rider) A very good effort to establish the parameters of the bike. Thanks for putting the video up for us. A few points from Australia if I may, and these are just my opinions and perspective.
* CFMoto say that the 'T' in MT stands for Tourer. Multi Tourer to be precise.
* If through the slushy lanes is the riding you want to do all the time then a more dedicated bike might be appropriate for that. The MT is a bit top heavy when going very slow, as you (and I) have discovered. I noticed the much lighter 250 trail bike was easier to handle in those conditions (because it was designed for it).
* The MT doesn't have a dedicated 'dirt bike' architecture but incorporates some dirt bike features. More of a friendlier Tenere, Vstrom or Africa Twin. As many people have noted. And at a fraction of the price.
* The fact that people are ripping the MT through really hard stuff and it is handling it so well is a credit to the designers I think. But, in my opinion, it is a mistake to think of the MT as a 'dirt bike'.
* Here in Oz we often have to ride hundreds of kilometres on highways and motorways to get to the back farm roads and tracks. This is where the 'MT' lives up to it's title - Multi-Tourer. Here in OZ the dirt-blatters who want to rip up the bush for the riding thrills will often trailer their duel-sports to the destination.
* I bought my MT because I want to use it to explore, and it's multi-functionality is very good. It has tons of power, stability and comfort for the motorway, Not the level of an Africa Twin maybe, but very good. It is a delight when ambling on country roads and gravel and practically rides itself at moderate speeds. Then, if I encounter a gnarly section it can handle it. The limitation is me.
* It is even pretty good on the tarmac twisties. And this is where tyre choice needs a thoughtful approach. Knobblies would help a lot in the mud and sand. But, might they be problematic on the road ? Just asking the question.
In summary: I think your video has highlighted the question of bike selection. Ideally, having a stable of two bikes would be ideal. A lightweight duel-sport for the lanes, and a bigger more comfortable bike for all-purpose riding. If a rider can only afford one bike then the MT is a wonderful choice. But I would suggest that older riders in particular need to factor in the limits (especially weight) that you discovered in those conditions. There is no doubt the bike can handle it, but can the rider do so safely? Finding personal boundaries is a life skill, in my opinion.
Cheers
Hello, love these comments and thank you for stopping by with them - they are all really valid and thoughtful refections. I will attempt to write a response half as articulate!
I agree with much of it and to answer your question - I cannot afford two bikes (this would be the dream and ideal) but in all honesty, with the state of insurance premiums over here, even the one bike is hard for me to keep down at the moment. It's the main reason Ive not ridden the past few years... it's become quite a luxury.
Trail bikes with a van or trailer would be IDEAL. But then thats a 'fun' bike, plus another vehicle to transport said bike which is way beyond my financial reach as a creative freelancer.
On the flip side, having a trail bike as a dedicated bike just wouldn't work for tours or two up travel which is something I require and do a lot of. Another factor in this is keeping the bike safe - a small trail bike would require more than what I currently have available to me.
More aggressive tyres would absolutely mess with the road handling, but it's not an issue for me... If I wanted to have more fun on the roads I'd of kept the interceptor. This is a nice go between!
Older riders should absolutely factor in limitations as should any rider - although I would argue that I would not have attempted that hill alone on that bike with those tyres on (even as a 31 year old) with the gate where it was. It's also open to the public, so you have to be respectful and cautious to other users of the route - blazing up it with full momentum wouldn't have been an option. If I was alone, I would have turned back before attempting it.
To summarise, I grew up doing MX and riding dirt bikes... and they would absolutely be the best choice for trails I 100% agree - but I need something that can do it all and the MT is great for this.
Really appreciate you stopping by with this, it's really thorough and I'm sorry Ive not been able to expand fully on all of it, I hope it is somewhat of a clear response!
@@Papanchasonline I empathise. Making effective choices with limited resources is always a challenge, You are meeting it and sharing the experience with us which is brilliant for us. I hope this doesn't seem patronising, but your video and comment reveal you to be a thoughtful rider. I'm sure you are going to have a ball on the MT.
Just a thought. It is a fresh release bike so parts are scarce, but keep an eye out for two spare wheels (maybe aftermarket Ali Express etc) and fit them with alternative tyres. Then and you can have a quick changeover front and back for whatever plans present themselves. Hit the lanes on a weekend, then set the bike for a grand tour the following week on 50/50s. Thats probably impractical, and would sound better over a pint, but it's fun to think about this stuff. Cheers
Really appreciate you coming by the vlog with these comments - I’ll do my best to keep em coming! The wheels is a great idea, first I need to save enough to get the tyres swapped out 💩
I just am crazy mad for this bike, its certainly performs brilliantly, in all terrain, and yeah they are stock tyres but hey, there not that bad, in fact the only riders that change them are the people that do most riding off rd. Awesome stuff, thanks for sharing 🇦🇺💯
SO AM I. Although it's probably pretty obvious from the vlogs... they do fine, it's been nice to put the MT to the test as stock before upgrading anything. Thank you for watching, really appreciate it.
Lovely vid .Enjoyable to watch.
Thank you very much!
That's super nice, it looks a very solid bike man. congratulations!
It is pretty damn solid! I will keep feeding back, but for now, I am super happy with it.
Cool bike , can't wait to see them here in minnesota
Lot of vibrations on the front an HOW QUIET!!! All sounds smooth great vid, keep um commin🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🏍️🏍️
There’s a ton on the screen, predominantly from the terrain, the bars and bike itself is solid in terms of vibrations. Really smooth ride. Thanks Paul!
Great vid Jacob. I got remember getting a little stuck there about 10 years ago on an 1150GS on metzeler tourance tyres, out with the ABR crowd. Thankfully a few people to push then, so I didn't stay stuck. I later changed tyres and it made such a difference.
What a beast of a bike to take up this hill - people can argue the 450 isn't a bike for this kind of work, yet you take a 1150 up there... a bike is what you make it. I think changing the tyres would make all the difference. Look forward to riding with you mate.
Lovely area. Slippery with mud and leaves! And lots of walkers. It is a rarity to come upon walkers in my area (Central Vic.). I still got my MT 450 stock tires. I'll use them over the next 6 months (Our last bit of spring, summer, early autumn, and then look to upgrade! Great video. Love the water crossings!
It is beautiful. I would love to come out your way and experience the terrain out there, must be blazing weather right noe! Very jealous... we have snow here this morning. Thank you amigo! Im going to come check out the channel at some point today.
Pirelli Scorpion Rally tyres aren't for mud or sand. They're good for touring. It's an 80:20 tyre. You need 50:50 for this type of riding. Anyway thanks for the video and well done.
These aren't Pirelli - they look like Pirelli - but they are an own brand version. Looking at 50/50 as soon as I can afford it! Thanks amigo!
Brilliant mate . That was very enjoyable to watch. The MT and you did really well on stock tyres. Can’t wait to eventually get out on some trails myself 👍
Thanks man - I am excited for you. Let us know when you've got it!
I recognise some of these trails from a TRF route down that way. I think with some other tyres, that MT could be the perfect all rounder. 👍
@@C90_Adam you most definitely will, any idea what route you did? I think the tyres will change everything!
I’m waiting to take delivery of my 450MT. I was a bit on the fence as what to do about the standard tyres, as lots of people are saying they aren’t very good in wet or muddy conditions. After watching this video if the bike arrives and we are still in winter I’ll be putting something more aggressive on like the Michelin Anakee Wilds.
Hey Chris! Absolutely stick some on if you are riding off road in the winter, I would I have had some spare cash BUT it's quite nice to be able to put the bike to the test as stock before I start upgrading
The limit is its quality, plenty already broken ....
Really? Could you send some reports?
Well done
Be sure to upgrade the skid plate to thicker one if you don't want to risk having the crank case breaking
Thats first on my agenda bar the tyres... although keeping my eyes peeled on the sub frame!
Quick question! What tire pressure setup do you use? And for the suspension? Thanks!
Hello! The pressures I vary... today I dropped each down to 25 (which is still relatively hard) my only worry is the rims on the rocky terrain. Although the others all run around 15 on the trail bikes which is ideal if you actually want traction! The suspension Ive not bothered touching yet, I will once things get a little more technical bit its been left as the dealership set it up for the time being
Is the tower stock or add on?? Take it tyres are 21-18 set up??
Stock, it’s fine… little flimsy but does the job! Correct on the tyres
Let's talk, fellow riders, because I need your help with a dilemma.
I currently own '04 CRF 450r, and I've been learning to wrench on it, the engine is healthy, and I changed a few stuff to make it run "like new" but the main issue for me is the running costs when it eventually needs an engine rebuild, it costs 1000+- euros.
I have a couple of smaller mountains around me with wide roads where I can open her up, I only ride on weekends and I would love to put a bike on a trailer and go explore other mountains in Serbia.
450mt is 6k, I can sell Honda and pay 3k as a down payment, but my main concern is the weight because it would be like 70kg+ heavier, I also looked at Sherco 300 2stroke but it's 8.8k for last year's model and 9.9 for a 25 model.
I know that this little ADV bike is awesome, people love it for a reason, and we have great dealers in Serbia, 4 years of warranty on MT is a great deal, BUT would it suit me on my mountain concerning adventure (not technical enduro riding, more like trails, wide open mountain terrains).
I wrote this because the new bike is a new bike, has longer service intervals, and the cost of maintaining any bike compared to an MX bike is cheaper by a landslide.
Thanks if you read my comment, and I'm thankful in advance for your suggestions, opinions, etc.
Cheers from Serbia ✌
Hey man... I get your point with service intervals... rebuilds etc on the CRF. Totally valid. Although another 1,000 for a total rebuild is still less than buying the MT.
The weight is a thing, but once you are moving it feels as light as anything. I come from an MX background, and can confirm that it's nowhere near as light to wrench around or drag about if you need to. But I actually really enjoy the challenge of the extra weight.
For less technical trails, you will have an awesome time with this bike. If it gets more technical, just chuck on some more aggressive tyres, it will still manage just fine.
What I would also say is that you could get something older and cheaper that will also do the job, if cost is in the question, the CF isn't the only option.
@@Papanchasonline Thanks for the reply mate.
I'm 186 tall and 100kg, I have been into powerlifting for years, so handling the heavier bike it not a problem if I have to pick it up, etc. It's just the mental thing, wilding the 70+ kg bike without taking it for a proper test ride for what I would use it mostly is like unknown territory for me haha
Financing an MT would not be a problem, but since I'm getting married next year, I'm kind of working on a budget 😅
I would chuck on some enduro tires and change the sprockets because It would not be ridden on the road.
I don't know. I'm going to let it simmer a bit during the winter; maybe I'll find something that suits me.
Cheers,
en sectores de mucho lodo con esos neumaticos todas las motos presentarian limites , el video muy bueno ! salud
Very! Thanks amigo!