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I don't understand, the government knows what's going on in this cult and won't put a stop to it plus any State that allows this to happen should be taken off any government help
Loretta Posey They aren't doing anything illegal, there is nothing the law can do. In this state it is legal for an adult to have relations with a 14 year old, so what would they prosecute anyone for? There needs to be changes to the law, legal age of consent should be 18 if it is concerning an older man, and marriage should only be allowed at 18, not younger with parents permission
In the case of a large family, trying to find a rental for that many kids AND pets is very difficult. As a mom, if my choice were to be forced to stay in a situation to protect my children from prdophiled or ro have to wait until i can find a place for the pets, the kids must come first.
I think the fear of any of these religious sects is the isolation. I married into the Bretheren, the rebel son. I did not know much abput the church when we first married but learned quickly. I remained true to myself and called out the ignorance and chauvinism not to mention racism is this group. The end of my 25 year relationship had me calling them all out and thankfully NEVER allowing my child to be in the presence of the ignorance alone. I was always there to provide an alternative. When my mother in law told me I could not babtize my son or bring him to the Methodist church I told them I was his morher and I would do as I please. Jesus warns to look in the churches and be leary as they are not all his people. I will not live the gospel as told by one family's interpretation and a judgemental one at that!
I’m related to family who was apart of the polygamy group. They ran away and said it was scary. They didn’t want there kids to grow up in that atmosphere. It was very hard. My mom started worrying when my older sister and her cousins son were close as friends in school Because she knows they marry cousins. Yikes
@@Jessica-nh7fo I would throw away anything to get away from abuse, I can't think of anything I own that is that important except my cat. I'm moving in a month so I have really been evaluating what I have too since I am moving out of state. Nothing is that important. Of course my cat is coming with me, she already has her plane ticket.
@@justinecamp7922 When I was moving away from my abusive parents I thought I would just leave with my life and sanity. But when it finally came time to leave I kept thinking about all the things that I would leave behind with sentimental value. Like old photo graphs, my grand parents old jewelry they gave me, etc. So that is where I was coming from. But it could be different for different people. I did end up bring that stuff with. But for the people leaving polygamy they might bring the big stuff they know they won’t be able to afford when there out along with stuff that might have been passed down through many generations.
Surely if you are escaping from such a horrible life.....why endanger your escape by taking so much. Please someone explain this. My question comes from kindness. I have had to escape a abusive relationship. It took me several months of careful, secret planning, while trying to act as if nothing was different.
Every single time even one person is saved I cry! Tears of joy for them! I want to donate to the cause of getting these people set up in new places, is there a link for that?
Melissa Halley it’s so hard to watch her on here because we know she’s deeply brainwashed but you can also tell that she knows right from wrong and still chooses to stay.
@@jesspao9785 Your right, Daniel kicked her out because she invited the health department out there. What's despicable is that she was still trying to hang on to her membership after all that.
I don't understand this!!!! These are grown adults! How can they keep them there when they don't want to be their their hostages and why aren't the cops doing something about this!!!??? 🤔🤬🤬🤬
Destanni Byron wait is not on the air?! I’m so annoyed by lifetime airing old shows on RUclips for views... like my fav Kim of Queens. It’s just a tease 😭
Jessica MayMay DorkMotion Comedy no it’s not they haven’t done a new season in so long they stopped at 4 and I really love this show and there’s been no talk about anything
If l was leaving l would leave with my handbag and few change of clothes why the huge van. THOSE people are so attach to material staff, as if they need all this???? Start a new life, do not bring your whole old life with you, what for????
@@nancyjohnson7147 No they don't. They can get donations just like other people do. If they really want to leave they would just leave, them and their kids, stuff can be replaces, lives can't. Women in abusive relationships do it all the time, they leave with NOTHING at all but the clothing on their backs.
@@mandemarso Abused women who aren't in this cult do it all the time without help. My mom did it but she was never so stupid to have that many kids, she isn't a rabbit.
@@hollyx3497 I saw an episode that was dedicated to her memory, but I don´t remember which one. She passed away in 2016, her son murdered her and a sibling.
@@GCC2025-x5d was it in the Tribune, Facebook, or on the Pathway page? I know that story I know Brian he was in my class. Susan went with Kathy to pick up the dogs and Kathys daughter. Seth was high and he picked a fight with Brian and James. Brian tried to disarm him but he shot James and he shot Susan when she came out. Kathy called 911 Brian got charged and released and Seth was arrested and sent to prison and executed for the murders.
@@Jessica-nh7fo she was murdered in 2018 he son Brian and her son James were in my Pathway class at CSI. Susan went with Kathy to get her dogs Brian and James went in their car but Seth was told to stay in Salt Lake he disobeyed orders and went to Danial. Danial told Seth that if he killed his mother and brother he would become an elder in the Kingston Clan. Seth went up there with an Order member and killed them then he fled the scene. Highway Patrol arrested him and he and his father Jessie Kingston and his uncle Bobby Browne got life sentences for what he did.
I've seen so many of these and dont understand why they take something as obvious as a Uhaul truck. Surely there has to be a different time of van they can take. Of course the Uhaul trucks are going to attract attention 🤦♀️
Seth Peterson who you see in this video would later kill his mother he was in Riverton Prison and they just gave him the firing squad. Brian Peterson who I know was cleared and drives for UPS.
Any type of vehicle on the property would be a giveaway, whether it’s plain or not. They have no privacy and everyone knows everything about everybody.
Elizabeth R. A lot of the policemen are corrupt or are also part of the Order, or just are too scared to intervene because the order has a lot of influence
it always seems that the people escaping don't tell the people that they are escaping with, like she could of told her kids and they could of help pack right the night before so that it wouldn't have been so stressful.
Look it up. Umm her son that killed her is in this clip, helping her pack their things into the truck 🖒 please do more research before trying to prove others wrong
All the money that the women earn at their look like normal businesses go to the "church" the members aren't even allowed to so see what's in their bank accounts or withdraw money. It's in another episode ..
This lady is so frustrating. I wonder if she has an oppositional disorder for real. She doesn't trust help . She reatc s to it as if she needs to rebel against it. To such a degree!! Really. She is a problem. She is such an aggry and frightened woman. I don't trust her.
I know this upload is old but why take all that why not just a few family heirlooms important paperwork like. Birth certificate & social security cards all that and thats it
When that U-Haul pulls up you know what it is😂 I just wanna say I feel bad for the women like 60 years ago who had no resources to leave cults like nowadays its still hard in 2020 especially when kids are involved.
Aaaaaaand here comes Shirlee allowing all of her children to be abused in horrendous ways.. holay, sisters. You are running an intervention, sisters. Suspect I would react like Shirlee does, over and over again, honestly!
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Kathys daughters scream when they realized the order was watching was heartbreaking, that was a terrified scream
🤪😭😭
That honestly really upset me. When I heard it I was like "OMIGOSH did someone get shot or something? " that was my first reaction
It was a boy who screamed
@@gawayaheiditinahawksworth6268 what’s funny 🤨?
She needs witness protection “the order” sounds like some type of cult
Lauryn Chandler It is.
It is
Lauryn Chandler that’s exactly what it is!
It already is, they use god and religion as an excuse to manipulate people.
Yep that's a cult.
God that scream from the child just proves how abusive those cults are
My God does not approve of polygamy or kids marrying older men.
Could you tell them that?
Amen! 🙏🏽 I was thinking the same
@NONYA Business whatttt?
Seawatersoul yeah, I was wondering the same thing about that comment from NONYA business.
@@meganr9280 they're trying to say the men in these cults who marry children are males not real men.
I don't understand, the government knows what's going on in this cult and won't put a stop to it plus any State that allows this to happen should be taken off any government help
They don't want Waco and the Branch Davidians to happen again
The Order has many members in law enforcement and other high positions so it's easy to get away with this stuff.
Loretta Posey They aren't doing anything illegal, there is nothing the law can do. In this state it is legal for an adult to have relations with a 14 year old, so what would they prosecute anyone for? There needs to be changes to the law, legal age of consent should be 18 if it is concerning an older man, and marriage should only be allowed at 18, not younger with parents permission
Cult donate money for politicians so they cover up
Well said agree with u a million percent
thought she looked familiar then she says shirley is her sister and it’s like “oh! there it is.”
That kid screamed "PA!!!!" at the top of his lungs...he was taught to tell someone when he saw someone who wasn't expected.
How is her husband not in jail for marrying a 14 year old? It is not legal!!!
They keep it Super super super secretive to make sure he stau Walking free
THEY LEFT THE DOG😭😭
Maddie LaChance I think there the mans dogs
In the case of a large family, trying to find a rental for that many kids AND pets is very difficult.
As a mom, if my choice were to be forced to stay in a situation to protect my children from prdophiled or ro have to wait until i can find a place for the pets, the kids must come first.
Joye Briggs I know, I’m just emotionally attached to all animals. Dogs are my favorite. If I were in that situation I would do the same thing.
they left the children
@@maddielachance7657 well hopefully you're vegan then 😁💛
I think the fear of any of these religious sects is the isolation. I married into the Bretheren, the rebel son. I did not know much abput the church when we first married but learned quickly. I remained true to myself and called out the ignorance and chauvinism not to mention racism is this group. The end of my 25 year relationship had me calling them all out and thankfully NEVER allowing my child to be in the presence of the ignorance alone. I was always there to provide an alternative. When my mother in law told me I could not babtize my son or bring him to the Methodist church I told them I was his morher and I would do as I please. Jesus warns to look in the churches and be leary as they are not all his people. I will not live the gospel as told by one family's interpretation and a judgemental one at that!
I’m related to family who was apart of the polygamy group. They ran away and said it was scary. They didn’t want there kids to grow up in that atmosphere. It was very hard. My mom started worrying when my older sister and her cousins son were close as friends in school Because she knows they marry cousins. Yikes
How about simply using a white panel van or painting the U-Haul so it’s not recognizable? Or leaving the stuff? Stuff can be replaced. People can’t.
CA Noslo they don’t have money to replace their stuff. The order controls all of their money.
@@khendralibbey617 So what? If you really want out that bad just leave with your life and kids.
Somethings may have sentimental value. It is hard To part with that stuff a lot of times.
@@Jessica-nh7fo I would throw away anything to get away from abuse, I can't think of anything I own that is that important except my cat. I'm moving in a month so I have really been evaluating what I have too since I am moving out of state. Nothing is that important. Of course my cat is coming with me, she already has her plane ticket.
@@justinecamp7922 When I was moving away from my abusive parents I thought I would just leave with my life and sanity. But when it finally came time to leave I kept thinking about all the things that I would leave behind with sentimental value. Like old photo graphs, my grand parents old jewelry they gave me, etc. So that is where I was coming from. But it could be different for different people. I did end up bring that stuff with. But for the people leaving polygamy they might bring the big stuff they know they won’t be able to afford when there out along with stuff that might have been passed down through many generations.
Surely if you are escaping from such a horrible life.....why endanger your escape by taking so much. Please someone explain this. My question comes from kindness. I have had to escape a abusive relationship. It took me several months of careful, secret planning, while trying to act as if nothing was different.
Every single time even one person is saved I cry! Tears of joy for them! I want to donate to the cause of getting these people set up in new places, is there a link for that?
Shirley is so beyond brainwashed it's disgusting, I'm not even sad for her , stay in that lifestyle and ne abused constantly
Melissa Halley it’s so hard to watch her on here because we know she’s deeply brainwashed but you can also tell that she knows right from wrong and still chooses to stay.
Submissive
Spoiler!!!!!! She does end up leaving as well, she called the health department and got kicked out
Same! It’s one thing to subject yourself to this mess, but to subject your kids to it , and allow them to live like that is beyond my comprehension!
@@jesspao9785 Your right, Daniel kicked her out because she invited the health department out there. What's despicable is that she was still trying to hang on to her membership after all that.
What about the dogs? Did they leave them behind?
that's what I'm thinking too...
I don't understand this!!!! These are grown adults! How can they keep them there when they don't want to be their their hostages and why aren't the cops doing something about this!!!??? 🤔🤬🤬🤬
User Unknown unless police have been called, they can’t do anything.
Amy Pattie usually the police are also members of the order.
@@sydneydowns3225 Yep, just like a lot of cops are white supremacists and not helpful these days with helping POC.
Narcissist believe they own you!
Why was she so mean to her sister? She's 50-something and finally leaving. Her self-righteousness isn't becoming.
Is this show coming back I love it so much
Destanni Byron wait is not on the air?! I’m so annoyed by lifetime airing old shows on RUclips for views... like my fav Kim of Queens. It’s just a tease 😭
Jessica MayMay DorkMotion Comedy no it’s not they haven’t done a new season in so long they stopped at 4 and I really love this show and there’s been no talk about anything
Marissa Urias only 4 episodes before that it wasn’t on since mid 2018
Marissa Urias nope only 4 episodes did
They did away with this fake religion and lds. They need to help other groups like this though there are some groups that need the help also.
I'm glad she took her kids and left have a good life
If l was leaving l would leave with my handbag and few change of clothes why the huge van. THOSE people are so attach to material staff, as if they need all this???? Start a new life, do not bring your whole old life with you, what for????
They have to take there things because they have no money to buy new things until they get a job and get stable
They have no money, they have nothing, you try and restart your life with 16 kids with just your purse.
@@nancyjohnson7147 No they don't. They can get donations just like other people do. If they really want to leave they would just leave, them and their kids, stuff can be replaces, lives can't. Women in abusive relationships do it all the time, they leave with NOTHING at all but the clothing on their backs.
@@mandemarso Abused women who aren't in this cult do it all the time without help. My mom did it but she was never so stupid to have that many kids, she isn't a rabbit.
@@mandemarso I haven't seen one video in which a woman has left with 16 kids, where is it?
Poor Susan:(( RIP
Ani Was this in an episode or was it a news story? I’ve just started watching these clips from the uk so curious as to what happened
What
And I have the weird feeling the order planned it. Because she left.
@@hollyx3497 I saw an episode that was dedicated to her memory, but I don´t remember which one. She passed away in 2016, her son murdered her and a sibling.
I read that Susan and one of her sons got murdered by another of her sons, so tragic 😥
Where did you read that?
Its true. Look it up
Yeah I saw it online when I looked them up to see how they were doing after watching the show 🙁
i was wondering if anyone was going to mention it
@@GCC2025-x5d was it in the Tribune, Facebook, or on the Pathway page? I know that story I know Brian he was in my class. Susan went with Kathy to pick up the dogs and Kathys daughter. Seth was high and he picked a fight with Brian and James. Brian tried to disarm him but he shot James and he shot Susan when she came out. Kathy called 911 Brian got charged and released and Seth was arrested and sent to prison and executed for the murders.
Rest In Peace Susan it’s so sad her life was cut so short.
What happened?
@@Jessica-nh7fo apparently she was killed by her son
@@Jessica-nh7fo she was murdered in 2018 he son Brian and her son James were in my Pathway class at CSI. Susan went with Kathy to get her dogs Brian and James went in their car but Seth was told to stay in Salt Lake he disobeyed orders and went to Danial. Danial told Seth that if he killed his mother and brother he would become an elder in the Kingston Clan. Seth went up there with an Order member and killed them then he fled the scene. Highway Patrol arrested him and he and his father Jessie Kingston and his uncle Bobby Browne got life sentences for what he did.
@@geomodelrailroader Seth was on drugs
I've seen so many of these and dont understand why they take something as obvious as a Uhaul truck. Surely there has to be a different time of van they can take. Of course the Uhaul trucks are going to attract attention 🤦♀️
They do say they are helping someone move... When they are told they are no longer in the group, they must move.
Seth Peterson who you see in this video would later kill his mother he was in Riverton Prison and they just gave him the firing squad. Brian Peterson who I know was cleared and drives for UPS.
We have to hurry! Don’t leave the freezer!
One of his 14 wives died of cancer cause he told her not to seek medical care
Narcissist
Kathy had 16 kids and loved in what seems to be a trailer home 🤔. The kids looked so happy at their new house. I can see why.
It’s always so tense until they are out driving away
2:54 this kind of reminded me of Charlie’s Angels
If people want to leave, they should be able to leave. Can’t be that great of a religion if they’re trying to stop you.
A plain truck would be better & not so noticeable.
Any type of vehicle on the property would be a giveaway, whether it’s plain or not. They have no privacy and everyone knows everything about everybody.
I’m so happy for her
The way that kid scream PA torn me. He was genuinely terrified of those people
I wonder if you could ask for a police escort? Or do they not care enough or have enough resources to do so?
Elizabeth R. A lot of the policemen are corrupt or are also part of the Order, or just are too scared to intervene because the order has a lot of influence
Sad they can’t even get all their belongings
Can yous not have a police to come with you if it's so dangerous?
The area is completely controlled by the "Order" they are leaving even the local police are part of it.
it always seems that the people escaping don't tell the people that they are escaping with, like she could of told her kids and they could of help pack right the night before so that it wouldn't have been so stressful.
Her kids could then tell their father or a a half sibling wgo could alert the order.
The less people who know, the better. Also, look at what happened to Melanie when she had packed a bag ahead of time.
The Lord does not hate women and is fully against polygamy! Gosh.
Notice they always watch but never get them 🤔🤔🤔
im glad she got free bless them happy for her
Omg I never new this was still a thing
This woman and her son was shot dead by her other son. So sad!
From where did you got that info
That woman’s name was Susan Peterson, this woman’s name is Kathy.....
Look it up. Umm her son that killed her is in this clip, helping her pack their things into the truck 🖒 please do more research before trying to prove others wrong
maddi My apologies, I thought you were saying that the mother who was escaping was the one who was murdered. It was her sister, Susan.
No worries hun. Sorry i should have been more clear
What empire, their empire of creating women and children they do not provide for.
All the money that the women earn at their look like normal businesses go to the "church" the members aren't even allowed to so see what's in their bank accounts or withdraw money. It's in another episode ..
Why wouldn't they have just taken police with them?
gotzBearhugz depending where theyre at, sometimes The Order have people in the police. They talk about that in another episode
It's just a TV show, nothing realistic.
@@hellokitty-kitty5497 So you don't think there are Mormon groups out there inbreeding? You are so wrong.
Probably because they didn't want to make a scene. If they showed up with police things could get violent very quickly.
She had 16 kids? How many left with her?
Poor Dogs!!!
This lady is so frustrating. I wonder if she has an oppositional disorder for real. She doesn't trust help . She reatc s to it as if she needs to rebel against it. To such a degree!! Really. She is a problem.
She is such an aggry and frightened woman. I don't trust her.
RIP Susan :(
What happened to her ?
Wanupgurl she was killed by her son :(
Sammie Dudley OMG they’ve never spoke about this
Wait what
She's was just a little beautiful girl at that time that picture is so cute when she was a little girl
I know this upload is old but why take all that why not just a few family heirlooms important paperwork like. Birth certificate & social security cards all that and thats it
DONT FORGET TBE DOG!
She looked like Kate McKinnon in the thumbnail
Please tell me she didnt leave behind her dogs?
These cult members are sick
Narcissist
I thought you could still call police with no cell service
You still need cell phone service you need at least one bar of emergency cell service which is different to a regular phone tower
stop because this episode made me ball .
I hope they took the dogs🤔
That's what I call woman power
When that U-Haul pulls up you know what it is😂 I just wanna say I feel bad for the women like 60 years ago who had no resources to leave cults like nowadays its still hard in 2020 especially when kids are involved.
Is she taken her kids?
Her and her son were shot dead by another son of hers
he is a monster...
Just wao i had no idea😥
These people need to make friends with bikers.
Aaaaaaand here comes Shirlee allowing all of her children to be abused in horrendous ways.. holay, sisters. You are running an intervention, sisters. Suspect I would react like Shirlee does, over and over again, honestly!
ew shirley is awful lol
This fake
👐
I'm just laughing at how unrealistic this is.
Kind of like all religion is unrealistic?
Polygamy getting worse day by day
Pray to Jesus and He will help you!
Of course not
Yeah right, all religions are male based and garbage, think for yourself women.
1st comment xD
Yeet 3rd
Polygamy is god !!!!
thoranne1 is this a joke rite
Polygamy is what rational people call disgusting.
No it is now
No it is not God
The Man is polygamy !!!! Is not monogam .....