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How ca you be photographer and make a camera test without properly cleaning the lenses? Now don't come nack to me with statements you cleaned, you didn't clean well enough, 300% sure that hazy look on 23U is from smudging
The updates won't improve overall picture quality, only certain picture enhancements such as exposure or highlights might be addressed. Samsung peaked there camera quality with the s22 ultra, its not a worthy upgrade for the camera alone.
The first update messed up the 200MP. It added sharpening. Before the update was no sharpening at all, fantastic detail. But it got messed :( hopefully they fix it next update
I have the s21 ultra. This is exactly the type of video I was looking for regarding camera comparison, as the differences between the new 23 and just last years 22 don't show much. Thank you.
The difference is noticeable when u have bigger computer displays. His laptop screen is 14 inch I believe. You cannot see differences between a 720p video vs 4K with a small screen like that
You guys should probably compare the 50MP ExpertRAW photos VS 48MP ProRaw. Its the ONLY way to make such a comparison even remotely fair. Raw images simply cannot be compared to a JPG.
I know this isn’t the iPhone test video, but I’ve always wondered why you or any other you tuber never use the iPhones filters that are baked in to the photo. I would like to see a video with these photographic styles applied and see how the blind test goes then. Please do this and see what we all think.
Nobody wants to for some reason, I use photographic styles to make my photos look more contrasty, they should honestly use it because I feel like apple would shoot up in people’s preference
@@Unknownuserhtps I just think from a few years back everyone picked the pixel photos over the iPhones because of the contrast been better or higher. So Apple put the option in there for more choices for the user. 🤷🏽
It’s too much work to do a comparison with photographic style. And it’s quite tuneable so everyone might have their own tuning. Definitely nice to compare default styles to say Leica authentic on Xiaomi or Hasselblad colors on OnePlus. I would also like to see all these comparisons in HLG delivered in HDR10+ or dolby vision, iPhones are capable of taking both dolby vision photos and videos. Again it might be too much work but I do like watching HDR content on RUclips.
sir can u check what refresh rate is iphone 14 pro is actually using ? i have ipad pro 2021 (it has 120hz display ) i can feel that iphone is capped atg 80-90hz max . whereas ipad can go upto 120hz
Hey Max i suggest you to try 50mp mode vs 12 or even 108mp of s21 s22. 50mp is where you get the best of both world 50mp mode is where you still have dual gain slope which is something special about this isocell hp2 sensor. Idont hav s22u in my hand for now but from what ive test 50mp s23u totally beat up 108mp s20u even in day time same shot same distance lot more detail in 50mp than old 108mp
I have an s10 and am looking to upgrade. The s23u is too much for me so I'm looking at the s21u or s22u. Having a hard time deciding. I really want a great camera. The s21u is a great bargain too. What to do?
I really don't know why Apple still has not caught up with Samsung on things like camera zoom - it's quite annoying. Great video - sound seems a bit quiet, just so you know.
For the iPhone vs Samsung camera test make sure to turn on photographic styles or when you take low light pictures make sure to test up to 10 seconds on both and see how far ahead apple is
@@Minimalx04 I’ve had the same cable for 3 years, dynamic island has functionality unlike the punch hole, and I’ve been gaming today for 2 hours with NO THROTTLING😱 fool😂
thank you for the great video Samsung's Galaxy s23 ultra 8K is really beautiful. I want to because I can't get a video like this on my iPhone. I like Samsung, which continues to work hard even when the profit rate is low, comes up with new technologies and ideas, and makes its own hardware to match them.
I’m a professional photographer my interest is more about making prints and generally they’re quite large using sharpening software AI. In terms of larger prints, do you think there would be any difference between the Samsung S23 ultra and S22 ultra in terms of detail and sharpness?
Hello, I've had the S21 Ultra for 2 years now and I'm still very satisfied. I tested the S22 Ultra when it came out as well as the S23 Ultra and honestly, the differences are so minimal that I'm not considering a replacement. Honestly, I had 2X problem with S21 Ultra Screen, it died 2 times! Of course, Samsung replaced the phone and I got a new one, but I just don't trust them anymore. The same thing happened to me with their Monitor. Since I've never owned an iPhone, I think I'll get the 14Pro Max or just wait for the 15. At the end of the day, with a little Photoshop, any phone can take great pictures :) Thank you for this Video :)
I got a 14 pro max from a 21 ultra. The camera is better and as a Samsung fan… that pains me to say that. In all honesty. How is my 2 year old phone so much lower grade the 23 ultra. It isn’t. My camera used to be better. All of a sudden, after an update I started to get blurs and distortions, and colors were not true. I am one of those people that bought the phone for the cameras. I used mine for work and play all day every day so I was able to tell right away. Now Apple does not let us have as much control. Like no pro modes, or directors view. But it does stuff without having to do it manually. Like going into macro mode when the phone is right above what it is trying to take a picture of.
Samsung just upset us with the 22 and now made the 23ultra have a bunch of iPhone features. No give up back our I.R. Blasters, notification leds, and other cool stuff we used to get on android. If not…. Might as well get a real Apple, not a knock off that actually costs more and get less years of support. While messing up the software on older models like the 21 ultra.
I'll upgrade to the s24 ultra,for now I'll keep my s22 ultra,not a fan of cameras, i only bought for the spen and dex for work,camera,I wouldn't upgrade for,thanks for the awesome video
Stop being a delusional fanboy. Gosh, the s23 ultra camera isn't all that great or better from the s22 ultra. And this video has NOTHING to do with i phone. Telling you, Samsung fanboy has this big time insecurities/inferior complex with i phones. And this videos wasn't even about the i phone.
@@hienho15 tell me that you had no problems with the 14 series at launch but also only on the first update it usually takes a few months for them to get the proper settings and too it's a new sensor so it acts differently
At the 1:25 mark, I have to disagree with you. If you look to the upper right corner, there is what appears to be a sign. On the S23 Ultra, you see what is on sign much better than the other two.
i think the reason the 200mp looks worse scaled to 12mp than the 108mp is that it's not an even number. 108:12 reduces to 9 whereas 200:12 reduces to 16.66 repeating.
TBH, with such marginal differences My pick would be s21 ultra hands down. Even in 2023 its still a worthy flagship and you're not missing much by not buying s23 or s22 and it's way more pretty design wise
8k is great, but where to store these videos? how much memory should you have in your phone to save all these photos and videos? I got curious and looked at how much memory my photos and videos take up in Google Photos (I've been using Google phones for a long time)... 550 GB in 8 years and this is super compressed quality. 8k is cool, but it's expensive and not everyone needs it.
Samsungs 8K records at 80mb/s at 30fps. Their 4K records at 50mb/s at 30fps so its about 50% larger than 4K, while having 4x the pixels and noticeably better quality. Recording 4K at 60FPs uses 80mb/s so same as 4K 30. Previously 8K had a heavy crop and limited to 24FPS so now its actually usable. I have 1.3GB in Google Photos from the last 12 years, and data prices should go down over time. BTW, iPhones ProRES 4K records at 880mbps... (so I rarely use it)
Let's be honest, Samsung's 200 Mp camera is a statement of technical achievement and not a new level of photographic excellence. I applaud Samsung for showing vitality and vigour and vision to a degree with the S23 Ultra and their flip and fold devices, but this may only be good news now for IPhone consumers as Apple have to step up a little with the IPhone 15 series this year to avoid looking a little stale for the first time.
3:58 Is the banding due to youtube or the samsung cameras? I dragged the video to different monitors, checked on iphone 14PM and I can still still see the banding.
I have to say this video seems lower quality compared to other videos on this channel, particularly the mic 🎤 and narration ( the tone throughout the comparison was fairly flat and almost uninteresting), the video seems like it was recorded with an iPhone it looks good enough I guess but the audio downgrade is bit more noticeable.
is it just me, or any samsungphone looks great on original firmwarte, but with every update, the quality goes to shit, and the new phones shine again? I had few years ago an s10 plus and took some pictures in the park, they were vibrand with accentuated colours (i also have the pictures today), after few android updates, its just a "normal phone". Now i have purchased an s21 ultra, it came with original firmware, and again took some pictures, and it was wow, now i'm on latest android and IDK, its MEH. Maybe this is why Sam$ung does not let us downgrade the firmware, so we dont discover this things.
After failing to replace my S21 Ultra because I was shipped a brick. I decided to buy the S23 Ultra to avoid any more hassle. insurance paid for it, so i can't complain too much.
Do they really worsen the camera quality at every update until the next unit is released?! Like some sort of planned obsolescence.. I guess every phone company does this to maximize profit!
possible that Samsung discreetly downgraded S21 Ultra's camera through updates to make people upgrade to either one of the newer flagships because they know that people make a lot of these side by side camera comparisons, and S21 Ultra MUST come out inferior looking
It's a shame you guys didn't include the Note 20 Ultra. I preordered the S23 Ultra, used it for 10 days and then returned it. I was VERY unimpressed when I compared it to my Note 20 Ultra!
The entire point is how big are we gonna view this, and are we gonna be trying to print say 16x24 size prints with it? if you arent printing this this all seems like a gimmick to me
@@Artemis-v8i what? this video discusses PHOTO and video......not sure where you missed that part. people do print photos, if you arent printing then none of these cameras really matter.
Everyone of the youtube reviewers that did those tests agreed that the selfie is better on the S23 Ultra, and comment below as well as people of reddit that have both devices confirm that in the majority of the cases. I honestly dont know where those inconsistencies come in some of your videos where there are just weird statements or results that the majority of the community has already agreed on and tested with the exact opposite result. Good video though.
Could have been just my shots, or could be that Samsung had an update after the S23 came out that improved on the S22 Ultras already great 40MP camera. I just shot these images and updated all the phones to the latest update.
I have both s22u and s23u. Selfie camera is definitely better on the s23u from my experience. Other than that not much between them. Upgrading for cameras only is not worth it. My main upgrade reasons were performance and battery life.
Coming from an Exynos S21 Ultra with quite awful low light and shadow detail video performance, the video quality on my new S23 Ultra is so superior in every way that I could effing cry!.. 🤣🤣🤣 Well, almost..🤣
Alex , Do you feel any temparature diffence between S22u bs s23u ? What was your your normal temperature dueing light use both of them . Also Please mention your sorroundings temperature .
This review was actually the one i was looking for especially when a new S21 ultra is now 1/3 the price of a new S23 ultra and yes the camera on s23 is better but the price difference is not comparable since s21 is one of the best smartphone cameras out there despite the camera update in s23 ultra, yet nowadays the S21 ULTRA is the best value for money
I dont know, for my eyes in almost every photo S23 Ultra is more sharp, taking in to consideration whole picture. There is much more details on the sides of the shot itself, where s22U is totally blurred. What I do agree, S23U night mode is too aggressive. Worth thing to mention, there is a bigger difference comparing it to Exynos version.
The Exynos s22 ultra is my daily driver and the picture quality is second to none, it is so good with its picture and video. People need to get off their high horses and stop slandering Exynos, its not as bad as everyone says it is. It actually has better battery life than its snapdragon counterpart on the S22 ultra
That small difference is huge for me. I'm very picky with my shots I upgraded from the s22u to the s23u. Better video with 8k no crop, better photo with 200mp, selfie is better trust me I've taken a lot of shots. Better cpu, gpu, ram, portrait video and super steady mode is better not to mention the battery. It's a better overall phone.
I could tell within the first day from 22 to 23 how big of an upgrade it is compared to the minor design change. Its noticeably faster and absolutely none of the old stutter and lag in animations, the screen is markedly better, and the battery life so far is out of this world compared to the last two gens.
@@BLAKEEATS1988 First day of using it i got over 6 hours of screen on time.....i never saw more than 5 without dying in the whole 2 years i had my s21 ultra
It is a VERY clever pro IPhone channel for sure. It gives IPhone users what they want to hear, and why not as Android has it's pro channels also. Life has to be balanced.
Actually, I really enjoy Samsung phones. They are ahead of Apple in many ways. The S23 Ulta is amazing and the regular S23 puts the iPhone 14 to shame. I think is a very well-balanced phone and great for most uses that don't need iOS. Personally, I'm stuck to the iPhone because of Apple Watch and MacOS integration which we use for Final Cut Pro. It saves me a lot of time being in one ecosystem and most friends and family use iMessage as well.
@@MaxTechOfficial I think that it is a popular misconception amongst non IPhone users that IPhone owners are trapped within the whole Apple ecosystem. Friends of mine with IPhones happily embrace the ecosystem and have other Apple devices to link with their phones and they really could NOT be happier. And why not?, as they are all lucky to be able to afford multiple pieces of this ecosystem. I love my new S23 Ultra big time just as anyone having bought, or who is about to buy, an IPhone 14 Pro Max loves their fine device. In saying all this, I also think it is good that the Samsung v Apple rivalry exists as it just shows how passionately people love their devices and seek to avenge any 'attack' on them in these comments sections..🤣🤣 I enjoy reading these delightful squabbles because these can be very intelligent squabblers who raise very interesting points of comparison. Let's be honest to finish now. Both Samsung and Apple rock and make brilliant devices for us fortunate people. Period.👍
I have the S23 Ultra new and the S21 Ultra and one thing i had not heard in your Video is that Telephotos with 10× and up are so much easier because the stabilisation has really extreme improved. No need to try side by side it's so noticeable, i can take a Moon Shot while walking. Also Night Time Foto and Video are better, but there you have to compare side by side, then is the difference clearly visible. For me it was an upsolutely worth upgrade if you want to have one of the best Camera-Phones. For everyone who doesn't take Telephoto Shots the difference is maybe not so clear (beneath the much better Battery Life of the S23 of course)
I think if you're coming from a significantly older model like the Note 10plus or the Note20u then the s23u is a nice upgrade. Even the s21u that doesn't have a built in spen the s23u is an upgrade. But if you're coming from last year's s22ultra well if you got money to spend then it's your choice. But personally for me since I have the S22Ultra already and had compared it side by side with the s23u there is only minimal difference with camera quality. Yes the s23u has the better cameras, but not by a long shot. And aesthetically both of them are identical so it would feel that you will have the same phone twice. I will save for next year see how the s24u will look like I hope it will come with a bigger screen at least 6.9" like the Note 20u had. For now I'm content with my s22ultra it still is a beast of a phone still takes beautiful pictures.
I have just upgraded from the S21Ultra and I have to say overall I am highly satisfied, I do agree with your review and I know it takes a bit for the software updates to make the camera better. The only down side I have is that I noticed great moon shots on my S21Ultra and it looks worse on my S23 Ultra. I tried taking scene optimizer off, and HDR and playing around with some settings but overall too much noise and it looks really bad at times. Cannot get a descent shot of the moon if the moon is not a full moon. Any one else having these problems, hopefully a software update soon will fix these issues.
You can only truly see a difference when you compare th S23 with like a 2 or 3 year older Samsung phone, just like the iPone 14, 13, and 12 comparison you did. You can't expect such a major leap in just a year, for example look at the iPhone 14 pro's 48 MP camera, is there much of a differnce from the iP 13 P ? Exactly ...... Plus, after a few updates things will get better on the S23 Ultra, just like the iPhone 14 Pro's. If you ask me i think this needs to be reviewed again after 6 months
This review was done on his 15 inch laptop screen, you can barely notice any difference between a 720p video vs a 4K video with that screen size. When people watch the pictures and video on their 55-65 inch TVs, they can notice big difference. Size of screen effects your review.
Not bad, when I used the 13 pro max very lightly 8hrs I had 50% left So 16 hours of very light use meaning RUclips, safari, couple apps, and at 20-30% brightness all day
12hours SOT is not the only baseline to use as battery life. I cringe when I read people boasting about SOT when there are so many other factors at play.
A useful review, thanks. Well organised and well delivered. The S23 Ultra is clearly a bit better than the s21 Ultra that I have, but not worth the extra to upgrade.
Yup. Sticking to my S22 Ultra as well. Until there is something revolutionary in the camera department, I'm not interested in spending money in minor upgrades.
These are called poor reviews because is computer is poor. Search techyonion that guy showed the difference from a pixel level and s23u is almost 10 times better in pixel quality. These people dont have the hardware to go pixel level.
Lol what kind of brains do you have to think like that? The s22u is better then the 21 but the s23u is light years above the s22u lol....do you just dis regard the Gen 2 snapdragon? The amazing ram? The vision booster that actually works this year....the amazing battery ...list goes on
Buddy this is a famously pro IPhone channel. Nothing wrong with that in that every manufacturer has their pro channels in this competitive world of ours. If you want a balanced view of the capabilities of the p23 Ultra this ain't the place to be. Seriously. They don't lie on this clever channel, just heavily slant and direct things to 'bring down' a rival device and ignore it's strengths or mention them fleetingly or dismissively.
This is about 3 Samsung phones....Iphone wasn't even part of the discussion. Samsung fans have this inferior complex with iphone. Even when iphone wasn't part of the conversation.
this is really the only channel I've seen where the s23 ultra pictures look bad lol ... I have the iPhone 13pm and keep it but getting my s23 ultra on Tuesday... I don't want to post any other RUclipsr names on your page but man impressed by several RUclipsrs that can actually do videography, especially in 8k who is also an iPhone user and takes great pictures .... but when I come to this channel the pictures just look straight up bad lol
I'm still testing my s23Ultra. I got one a week and a half ago. Had to return the first one due to a 2 major glitches but the 2nd seems functionally OK. So far I find the 200mp to be a complete waste of time. Shooting at 6x, the images come back 12240x16320 and are a digitized MESS. They look like they were painted with an airbrush that had a half clogged spray tip. Fine detail is totally destroyed. What should be 'adjacent' pixels are fused together into strange uneven block shapes and jig-saw patterns that look nothing like any pixels I've ever seen,. The images are not useable at all. Default jpegs at 10x provide infinitely clearer, more useful images. The over sharpening, over clarity and general over processing, however, kills it. Photographing squirrels and small birds in our yard yields fur and feather detail that is anything but natural looking. It is so over sharpened the fur on a squirrel looks more like little pipes. Nothing in nature looks like that. For comparison I pulled out an old Fuji s100fs from 2008 with it's 400mm (35mm equiv) built in zoom lens and also shot some with my D7200 using both the 18-140 kit lens and also using my 70-300 FX lens. With those cameras, little animals and little birds look like little animals and little birds. With the new s23Ultra they look like artificial renderings. I lease my phone and my old contract expired so this seemed like the sensible move up from my s21Ultra., but honestly ...I"m not even slightly impressed based on any images I've taken so far. Since most of the problems appear to be programmatically generated, I'm hoping Samsung can sort this out. The phone has had a couple of updates over the last few days so it could be one of those messed things up. All I know is that 50mp and 200mp images examined in Lightroom ...are unusable and there is no point in taking up space on any devices or Google Photos etc. with them. Incidentally, I live in Lightroom and sometime use Photoshop and/or Topaz Photo Ai on some images that need work. Using those programs I really haven't been able to do much with images shot with my old s21Ultra or this new s23Ultra. Lightroom and/or Photoshop (Camera Raw) can reduce sharpening and texture a bit and that does knock out some of the horrible digitization, but still, the images just don't compete with my cameras. Topaz Photo Ai seems to just amplify the problems, yet it does nice things with 'Camera' images. Videos may be better, but as far as PHOTOGRAPHY goes, to me, IT'S ALL MARKETING and SAMSUNG NEEDS TO SERIOUSLY IMPROVE THE SOFTWARE!
Luckily i waited for the reviews before upgrading from s22u to s23u. Gonna wait for some software updates now or some new models...but in reality i'll probably end up waiting until next generation.
Well, I don't disagree, but it's more complicated. There are so many scenarios with the main camera of the s23u where you can see a big difference in sharpness and texture level - a few might borderline over sharpness - but I am kind of biased because I know exactly how to find them after doing hundreds of shots versus the s22u. But on the other hand I am also "biased" in spotting many hdr related problems with the sky being cyan and the highlights being too yellow on the s23u that you see in this video without mentioning it. However, these color problems are expected to be fixed very soon.
Software Updates on brand new camera hardware is key. Just like the S22U had vs S21U. S23U will start to really shine a few weeks or months from now. Then there should be a new comparison made
I agree too. I like batery in s23u. I dislike blue sky photo. It makes fake too much, not better than s22u. But 23u camera in case night really very good.
I have S22 Ultra and 23Ultra .... in 12mp and All zoom lens S22 Ultra is better only in 200MP in S23 is bit better. Video on S22 In 8K has much more detials than s23Ultra but S23 is more stable. 4K IS ALSO SAME S23 HAS MORE DETAILS AND S23 HAS MORE STABLE LOOKING PHOTO
I usually only take photos of family and random food. Therefore, I'm keeping my S21 Ultra until the S24 arrives. Besides, I'm still in love with these rounded corners and the camera bump. ❤
Love the video! You sound a lil bit down but I don't mind it, i believe it's bc of the amount of work you've got to put into this, hope you can get a lot out of it! I kinda wanted even more pics of ppl since it's most important for most ppl. Thanks Max! I appreciate you
The jovial kids play was a great way to present some sense of the audio recording quality. But presenting a cetacean captivity theme park is really saddening as it normalises animal abuse as entertainment. Those ocean faring mammals would rather be free, that's a fact. #blackfish #thecove Anyways, thanks for the helpful comparison. A demonstration of audio functions would always be appreciated!
Samsung isn't trying to sell cos the S23 Ultra is a very big upgrade, all round. And you're forgetting that they set the standard for innovation of smartphones this year, even for Apple
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Ok
Over sharp and noisy.
Yes
How ca you be photographer and make a camera test without properly cleaning the lenses? Now don't come nack to me with statements you cleaned, you didn't clean well enough, 300% sure that hazy look on 23U is from smudging
To be fair. The updates will improve the s23 ultra just like any other new device that comes out. 👌🏼
The updates won't improve overall picture quality, only certain picture enhancements such as exposure or highlights might be addressed. Samsung peaked there camera quality with the s22 ultra, its not a worthy upgrade for the camera alone.
The first update messed up the 200MP. It added sharpening. Before the update was no sharpening at all, fantastic detail. But it got messed :( hopefully they fix it next update
I have the s21 ultra. This is exactly the type of video I was looking for regarding camera comparison, as the differences between the new 23 and just last years 22 don't show much.
Thank you.
I think you can see the improvements, but they’re pretty subtle, especially compared to the S22 and probably not worth that upgrade.
The difference is noticeable when u have bigger computer displays. His laptop screen is 14 inch I believe. You cannot see differences between a 720p video vs 4K with a small screen like that
Not a real surprise. Before I bought the S23U, the lit was stating that the 200MP was primarily for low light and zoom detail.
You guys should probably compare the 50MP ExpertRAW photos VS 48MP ProRaw. Its the ONLY way to make such a comparison even remotely fair. Raw images simply cannot be compared to a JPG.
I would love to also see an astronomy comparison of the night sky between s23 ultra and iPhone
I know this isn’t the iPhone test video, but I’ve always wondered why you or any other you tuber never use the iPhones filters that are baked in to the photo. I would like to see a video with these photographic styles applied and see how the blind test goes then. Please do this and see what we all think.
Nobody wants to for some reason, I use photographic styles to make my photos look more contrasty, they should honestly use it because I feel like apple would shoot up in people’s preference
@@Unknownuserhtps I just think from a few years back everyone picked the pixel photos over the iPhones because of the contrast been better or higher. So Apple put the option in there for more choices for the user. 🤷🏽
@@fevo28 yep and I love it
It’s too much work to do a comparison with photographic style. And it’s quite tuneable so everyone might have their own tuning. Definitely nice to compare default styles to say Leica authentic on Xiaomi or Hasselblad colors on OnePlus.
I would also like to see all these comparisons in HLG delivered in HDR10+ or dolby vision, iPhones are capable of taking both dolby vision photos and videos. Again it might be too much work but I do like watching HDR content on RUclips.
@@PTYC933 yeah I see where you’re coming from but would be nice just to see a little example on this tho.
This is an awesome comparison, very good job. Thanks soo much for this!
sir can u check what refresh rate is iphone 14 pro is actually using ? i have ipad pro 2021 (it has 120hz display ) i can feel that iphone is capped atg 80-90hz max . whereas ipad can go upto 120hz
Ya dude this need to pinned . I thought only my unit had some problem daam its apple who is cheating
????Hey, could you list the device you are using to hold all three phones. I want one. Thanks
Bro ! Your comparison is awesome. That's very kind of you.❤️❤️❤️❤️
Hey Max i suggest you to try 50mp mode vs 12 or even 108mp of s21 s22. 50mp is where you get the best of both world
50mp mode is where you still have dual gain slope which is something special about this isocell hp2 sensor. Idont hav s22u in my hand for now but from what ive test 50mp s23u totally beat up 108mp s20u even in day time same shot same distance lot more detail in 50mp than old 108mp
I have an s10 and am looking to upgrade. The s23u is too much for me so I'm looking at the s21u or s22u. Having a hard time deciding. I really want a great camera. The s21u is a great bargain too. What to do?
I liked the S21 more often than the S22 shots
I really don't know why Apple still has not caught up with Samsung on things like camera zoom - it's quite annoying. Great video - sound seems a bit quiet, just so you know.
For the iPhone vs Samsung camera test make sure to turn on photographic styles or when you take low light pictures make sure to test up to 10 seconds on both and see how far ahead apple is
Apple fanboi
@@Minimalx04 fool😂
@@Unknownuserhtps u have terrible lighting cable and horrible dynamic island.. brightness dims only after 10 seconds..🤣🤣
@@Minimalx04 I’ve had the same cable for 3 years, dynamic island has functionality unlike the punch hole, and I’ve been gaming today for 2 hours with NO THROTTLING😱
fool😂
Isheep ,bro you again??
thank you for the great video
Samsung's Galaxy s23 ultra 8K is really beautiful. I want to because I can't get a video like this on my iPhone.
I like Samsung, which continues to work hard even when the profit rate is low, comes up with new technologies and ideas, and makes its own hardware to match them.
I’m a professional photographer my interest is more about making prints and generally they’re quite large using sharpening software AI. In terms of larger prints, do you think there would be any difference between the Samsung S23 ultra and S22 ultra in terms of detail and sharpness?
Hello,
I've had the S21 Ultra for 2 years now and I'm still very satisfied. I tested the S22 Ultra when it came out as well as the S23 Ultra and honestly, the differences are so minimal that I'm not considering a replacement. Honestly, I had 2X problem with S21 Ultra Screen, it died 2 times! Of course, Samsung replaced the phone and I got a new one, but I just don't trust them anymore. The same thing happened to me with their Monitor. Since I've never owned an iPhone, I think I'll get the 14Pro Max or just wait for the 15.
At the end of the day, with a little Photoshop, any phone can take great pictures :)
Thank you for this Video :)
I got a 14 pro max from a 21 ultra. The camera is better and as a Samsung fan… that pains me to say that. In all honesty. How is my 2 year old phone so much lower grade the 23 ultra. It isn’t. My camera used to be better. All of a sudden, after an update I started to get blurs and distortions, and colors were not true. I am one of those people that bought the phone for the cameras. I used mine for work and play all day every day so I was able to tell right away. Now Apple does not let us have as much control. Like no pro modes, or directors view. But it does stuff without having to do it manually. Like going into macro mode when the phone is right above what it is trying to take a picture of.
Samsung just upset us with the 22 and now made the 23ultra have a bunch of iPhone features. No give up back our I.R. Blasters, notification leds, and other cool stuff we used to get on android. If not…. Might as well get a real Apple, not a knock off that actually costs more and get less years of support. While messing up the software on older models like the 21 ultra.
I'll upgrade to the s24 ultra,for now I'll keep my s22 ultra,not a fan of cameras, i only bought for the spen and dex for work,camera,I wouldn't upgrade for,thanks for the awesome video
This video is all about trying to belittle the S23 ULTRA just to keep the 14 Pro/Max relevant. Sadly, the S23 ULTRA will remain the KING.
Stop being a delusional fanboy. Gosh, the s23 ultra camera isn't all that great or better from the s22 ultra. And this video has NOTHING to do with i phone. Telling you, Samsung fanboy has this big time insecurities/inferior complex with i phones. And this videos wasn't even about the i phone.
lmao how many drugs are you on? 😂
🤣it’s not. Even by dxomark
I’ve been disappointed with s23 ultra camera it needs some updates. Differences from last year is basically no real difference
@@hienho15 tell me that you had no problems with the 14 series at launch but also only on the first update it usually takes a few months for them to get the proper settings and too it's a new sensor so it acts differently
At the 1:25 mark, I have to disagree with you. If you look to the upper right corner, there is what appears to be a sign. On the S23 Ultra, you see what is on sign much better than the other two.
i think the reason the 200mp looks worse scaled to 12mp than the 108mp is that it's not an even number. 108:12 reduces to 9 whereas 200:12 reduces to 16.66 repeating.
TBH, with such marginal differences My pick would be s21 ultra hands down. Even in 2023 its still a worthy flagship and you're not missing much by not buying s23 or s22 and it's way more pretty design wise
8k is great, but where to store these videos? how much memory should you have in your phone to save all these photos and videos? I got curious and looked at how much memory my photos and videos take up in Google Photos (I've been using Google phones for a long time)... 550 GB in 8 years and this is super compressed quality. 8k is cool, but it's expensive and not everyone needs it.
Samsungs 8K records at 80mb/s at 30fps. Their 4K records at 50mb/s at 30fps so its about 50% larger than 4K, while having 4x the pixels and noticeably better quality. Recording 4K at 60FPs uses 80mb/s so same as 4K 30. Previously 8K had a heavy crop and limited to 24FPS so now its actually usable. I have 1.3GB in Google Photos from the last 12 years, and data prices should go down over time. BTW, iPhones ProRES 4K records at 880mbps... (so I rarely use it)
Let's be honest, Samsung's 200 Mp camera is a statement of technical achievement and not a new level of photographic excellence. I applaud Samsung for showing vitality and vigour and vision to a degree with the S23 Ultra and their flip and fold devices, but this may only be good news now for IPhone consumers as Apple have to step up a little with the IPhone 15 series this year to avoid looking a little stale for the first time.
Search techyonion in YT he showed 200MP at pixel level against iphones 48MP RAW.
3:58 Is the banding due to youtube or the samsung cameras? I dragged the video to different monitors, checked on iphone 14PM and I can still still see the banding.
That’s the image
S21 ultra vs s22 base model which is better camera
Such a perfectionist 💯
Best review of this topic on the web. Thanks
Now do iPhone and see how bad the iphone 14 processing is.
I have to say this video seems lower quality compared to other videos on this channel, particularly the mic 🎤 and narration ( the tone throughout the comparison was fairly flat and almost uninteresting), the video seems like it was recorded with an iPhone it looks good enough I guess but the audio downgrade is bit more noticeable.
is it just me, or any samsungphone looks great on original firmwarte, but with every update, the quality goes to shit, and the new phones shine again? I had few years ago an s10 plus and took some pictures in the park, they were vibrand with accentuated colours (i also have the pictures today), after few android updates, its just a "normal phone". Now i have purchased an s21 ultra, it came with original firmware, and again took some pictures, and it was wow, now i'm on latest android and IDK, its MEH. Maybe this is why Sam$ung does not let us downgrade the firmware, so we dont discover this things.
Very nice & good S23Ultra
the s22 looks the best, followed by s21, the s23 looks the worst.
Los 3 móviles son Snapdragon?
even though u r an apple fanboy this video is great
Thank you! I tried and wished people watched longer videos so I could add more in and make it longer.
As iPhone 13 Pro user, I am craving for S23U. Next year I’m going to switch back to Samsung with the S24U.
After failing to replace my S21 Ultra because I was shipped a brick. I decided to buy the S23 Ultra to avoid any more hassle. insurance paid for it, so i can't complain too much.
Honestly all the photos look good enough to use. I personally don’t think people are just taking photos like that.
what are people taking pics of where you live then?
S21❤❤
Do they really worsen the camera quality at every update until the next unit is released?! Like some sort of planned obsolescence.. I guess every phone company does this to maximize profit!
It's the opposite, my s22 camera got way better after the last update
possible that Samsung discreetly downgraded S21 Ultra's camera through updates to make people upgrade to either one of the newer flagships because they know that people make a lot of these side by side camera comparisons, and S21 Ultra MUST come out inferior looking
Video on the samsung s21 ultra was initially bad, especially 4k 60fps. Before that, I had c9 plus, during the day he shot videos better.
really close
Of course it's better. I mean look at the 21 Ultra, you can literally count the pixels....
It's a shame you guys didn't include the Note 20 Ultra.
I preordered the S23 Ultra, used it for 10 days and then returned it. I was VERY unimpressed when I compared it to my Note 20 Ultra!
not worth the comparison. The difference would have been obviously even bigger.
I have s21 ultra and I am fully satisfied.
All those look same for me i can’t tell the difference
This perfectly showcases apple sheep intelligence 😂😂
You always try say individually iphone is the best
Insane video........
An Apple fan boy analysing Samsung devices... I hope you weren't biased when did it.
The entire point is how big are we gonna view this, and are we gonna be trying to print say 16x24 size prints with it? if you arent printing this this all seems like a gimmick to me
Who how and why is going to print a video?
@@Artemis-v8i what? this video discusses PHOTO and video......not sure where you missed that part. people do print photos, if you arent printing then none of these cameras really matter.
Everyone of the youtube reviewers that did those tests agreed that the selfie is better on the S23 Ultra, and comment below as well as people of reddit that have both devices confirm that in the majority of the cases. I honestly dont know where those inconsistencies come in some of your videos where there are just weird statements or results that the majority of the community has already agreed on and tested with the exact opposite result. Good video though.
No. The selfie on the s22 ultra was better
Could have been just my shots, or could be that Samsung had an update after the S23 came out that improved on the S22 Ultras already great 40MP camera. I just shot these images and updated all the phones to the latest update.
@@MaxTechOfficial I have both phones and I keep saying the s22 ultra camera is better
I have both s22u and s23u. Selfie camera is definitely better on the s23u from my experience. Other than that not much between them. Upgrading for cameras only is not worth it. My main upgrade reasons were performance and battery life.
Coming from an Exynos S21 Ultra with quite awful low light and shadow detail video performance, the video quality on my new S23 Ultra is so superior in every way that I could effing cry!.. 🤣🤣🤣 Well, almost..🤣
Alex , Do you feel any temparature diffence between S22u bs s23u ? What was your your normal temperature dueing light use both of them . Also Please mention your sorroundings temperature .
@@ridoy2261 Never measured the exact temp, but I can feel the difference. The s23 definitely runs cooler.
@@radulescu21 Is your S22U Exynos or SD?
Did you notice any difference between speakers on both of the devices?
This review was actually the one i was looking for especially when a new S21 ultra is now 1/3 the price of a new S23 ultra and yes the camera on s23 is better but the price difference is not comparable since s21 is one of the best smartphone cameras out there despite the camera update in s23 ultra, yet nowadays the S21 ULTRA is the best value for money
Yes, I bought the 21 ultra version 12go ram in its box never used, with its accessories and earphone for the price of 500€
U still have it?@@adream8383
I dont know, for my eyes in almost every photo S23 Ultra is more sharp, taking in to consideration whole picture. There is much more details on the sides of the shot itself, where s22U is totally blurred. What I do agree, S23U night mode is too aggressive. Worth thing to mention, there is a bigger difference comparing it to Exynos version.
The Exynos s22 ultra is my daily driver and the picture quality is second to none, it is so good with its picture and video. People need to get off their high horses and stop slandering Exynos, its not as bad as everyone says it is. It actually has better battery life than its snapdragon counterpart on the S22 ultra
@@mac8669 true because snapdragon 8 gen 1 is baaaaddd. But video is not sharp while recorded on S22 ultra and played on bigger tv unfortunately
@@DamianNocun so right bigger TV makes a huge difference. Tiny computer screen is so pointless
I noticed the s21 ultra the photos where in fact better than the s22 ultra and the s23 ultra.
Yep, but this guy is trying so hard to make s21's users to upgrade...
That small difference is huge for me. I'm very picky with my shots I upgraded from the s22u to the s23u. Better video with 8k no crop, better photo with 200mp, selfie is better trust me I've taken a lot of shots. Better cpu, gpu, ram, portrait video and super steady mode is better not to mention the battery. It's a better overall phone.
Also RAW photo at 50mp
I could tell within the first day from 22 to 23 how big of an upgrade it is compared to the minor design change. Its noticeably faster and absolutely none of the old stutter and lag in animations, the screen is markedly better, and the battery life so far is out of this world compared to the last two gens.
@pilinke11 yes, this mode is super detailed bc it's a raw photo
@@jakewarner1993 yes!!
@@BLAKEEATS1988 First day of using it i got over 6 hours of screen on time.....i never saw more than 5 without dying in the whole 2 years i had my s21 ultra
This channel hates Android
It is a VERY clever pro IPhone channel for sure. It gives IPhone users what they want to hear, and why not as Android has it's pro channels also. Life has to be balanced.
If they really hate Android then why would they do this video.
Actually, I really enjoy Samsung phones. They are ahead of Apple in many ways. The S23 Ulta is amazing and the regular S23 puts the iPhone 14 to shame. I think is a very well-balanced phone and great for most uses that don't need iOS. Personally, I'm stuck to the iPhone because of Apple Watch and MacOS integration which we use for Final Cut Pro. It saves me a lot of time being in one ecosystem and most friends and family use iMessage as well.
@@MaxTechOfficial I think that it is a popular misconception amongst non IPhone users that IPhone owners are trapped within the whole Apple ecosystem. Friends of mine with IPhones happily embrace the ecosystem and have other Apple devices to link with their phones and they really could NOT be happier. And why not?, as they are all lucky to be able to afford multiple pieces of this ecosystem. I love my new S23 Ultra big time just as anyone having bought, or who is about to buy, an IPhone 14 Pro Max loves their fine device.
In saying all this, I also think it is good that the Samsung v Apple rivalry exists as it just shows how passionately people love their devices and seek to avenge any 'attack' on them in these comments sections..🤣🤣 I enjoy reading these delightful squabbles because these can be very intelligent squabblers who raise very interesting points of comparison. Let's be honest to finish now. Both Samsung and Apple rock and make brilliant devices for us fortunate people. Period.👍
I have the S23 Ultra new and the S21 Ultra and one thing i had not heard in your Video is that Telephotos with 10× and up are so much easier because the stabilisation has really extreme improved. No need to try side by side it's so noticeable, i can take a Moon Shot while walking. Also Night Time Foto and Video are better, but there you have to compare side by side, then is the difference clearly visible. For me it was an upsolutely worth upgrade if you want to have one of the best Camera-Phones. For everyone who doesn't take Telephoto Shots the difference is maybe not so clear (beneath the much better Battery Life of the S23 of course)
Please tell me, does samsung s23 ultra shoot 4K video 60 frames per second better than s21 ultra or does it shoot the same way?(day)
Lol Apple fan boy comparing previous versions...You shouldnt even upgrade from 11 pro then
S21 Ultra still have good camera.
I think if you're coming from a significantly older model like the Note 10plus or the Note20u then the s23u is a nice upgrade. Even the s21u that doesn't have a built in spen the s23u is an upgrade. But if you're coming from last year's s22ultra well if you got money to spend then it's your choice. But personally for me since I have the S22Ultra already and had compared it side by side with the s23u there is only minimal difference with camera quality. Yes the s23u has the better cameras, but not by a long shot. And aesthetically both of them are identical so it would feel that you will have the same phone twice. I will save for next year see how the s24u will look like I hope it will come with a bigger screen at least 6.9" like the Note 20u had. For now I'm content with my s22ultra it still is a beast of a phone still takes beautiful pictures.
Another reason why I'm still using my s21 ultra. Minimal difference for a huge one in money.
I think s21 ultra is the best option its price is a little improvement and look very similar displays.
I have just upgraded from the S21Ultra and I have to say overall I am highly satisfied, I do agree with your review and I know it takes a bit for the software updates to make the camera better. The only down side I have is that I noticed great moon shots on my S21Ultra and it looks worse on my S23 Ultra. I tried taking scene optimizer off, and HDR and playing around with some settings but overall too much noise and it looks really bad at times. Cannot get a descent shot of the moon if the moon is not a full moon. Any one else having these problems, hopefully a software update soon will fix these issues.
You can only truly see a difference when you compare th S23 with like a 2 or 3 year older Samsung phone, just like the iPone 14, 13, and 12 comparison you did. You can't expect such a major leap in just a year, for example look at the iPhone 14 pro's 48 MP camera, is there much of a differnce from the iP 13 P ? Exactly ...... Plus, after a few updates things will get better on the S23 Ultra, just like the iPhone 14 Pro's. If you ask me i think this needs to be reviewed again after 6 months
Very useful review, thank you. Since I'm much more in the photographic camp than in the filming one, I'm sticking to my S22 Ultra photography wise.
This review was done on his 15 inch laptop screen, you can barely notice any difference between a 720p video vs a 4K video with that screen size. When people watch the pictures and video on their 55-65 inch TVs, they can notice big difference. Size of screen effects your review.
Watching this video, instead of buying the s22 ultra I brought the s21 ultra. I'm gonna wait for a big jump lmfao
It is absolutely worth it, 12 hrs SOT, with battery to spare on light mode. Not a gamer
Not bad, when I used the 13 pro max very lightly 8hrs I had 50% left
So 16 hours of very light use meaning RUclips, safari, couple apps, and at 20-30% brightness all day
12hours SOT is not the only baseline to use as battery life. I cringe when I read people boasting about SOT when there are so many other factors at play.
@@mrkring1526 like what exactly? If people say light use then obv it means light use nothing more
I can't trust any US youtuber. u guys, u guys u are biased when it comes to samsung compared to iPhone
My S21 Ultra does excellent photos 📸 and I can show you as well. I guess it's the camera lottery again on phones.
S21 ultra 5G👍
A useful review, thanks. Well organised and well delivered. The S23 Ultra is clearly a bit better than the s21 Ultra that I have, but not worth the extra to upgrade.
Yup. Sticking to my S22 Ultra as well. Until there is something revolutionary in the camera department, I'm not interested in spending money in minor upgrades.
It is a massive upgrade for me from my Exynos S21 Ultra @a paul. In so many ways. We Europeans were short changed with Exynos devices for too long.
@@LuisPedroCalmetOtero Thanks, that's interesting. Different view by @neilmcguinness4422 below.
These are called poor reviews because is computer is poor. Search techyonion that guy showed the difference from a pixel level and s23u is almost 10 times better in pixel quality. These people dont have the hardware to go pixel level.
Lol what kind of brains do you have to think like that? The s22u is better then the 21 but the s23u is light years above the s22u lol....do you just dis regard the Gen 2 snapdragon? The amazing ram? The vision booster that actually works this year....the amazing battery ...list goes on
S21 won at least a few to be honest
When apple will introduce 100x it wont bee gimmicky🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Stop with the Samsung bashing mate. You made enough money from Apple
Samsung camera has been proved better than apple, theres always something you guys change and dont mention to make apple win, its annoying
MKBHD also gives apple the camera award every year
Don’t get upset that apple is better it’s just how it is🤷♂️
Buddy this is a famously pro IPhone channel. Nothing wrong with that in that every manufacturer has their pro channels in this competitive world of ours. If you want a balanced view of the capabilities of the p23 Ultra this ain't the place to be. Seriously. They don't lie on this clever channel, just heavily slant and direct things to 'bring down' a rival device and ignore it's strengths or mention them fleetingly or dismissively.
This is about 3 Samsung phones....Iphone wasn't even part of the discussion. Samsung fans have this inferior complex with iphone. Even when iphone wasn't part of the conversation.
@@hienho15 I am talking about the camera comparison
The one with the iphone vs pixel vs galaxy
this is really the only channel I've seen where the s23 ultra pictures look bad lol ... I have the iPhone 13pm and keep it but getting my s23 ultra on Tuesday... I don't want to post any other RUclipsr names on your page but man impressed by several RUclipsrs that can actually do videography, especially in 8k who is also an iPhone user and takes great pictures .... but when I come to this channel the pictures just look straight up bad lol
S23 Ultra is The King.
Please do regular S23 vs S22 vs S21
I'm still testing my s23Ultra. I got one a week and a half ago. Had to return the first one due to a 2 major glitches but the 2nd seems functionally OK.
So far I find the 200mp to be a complete waste of time. Shooting at 6x, the images come back 12240x16320 and are a digitized MESS. They look like they were painted with an airbrush that had a half clogged spray tip. Fine detail is totally destroyed. What should be 'adjacent' pixels are fused together into strange uneven block shapes and jig-saw patterns that look nothing like any pixels I've ever seen,. The images are not useable at all.
Default jpegs at 10x provide infinitely clearer, more useful images. The over sharpening, over clarity and general over processing, however, kills it. Photographing squirrels and small birds in our yard yields fur and feather detail that is anything but natural looking. It is so over sharpened the fur on a squirrel looks more like little pipes. Nothing in nature looks like that.
For comparison I pulled out an old Fuji s100fs from 2008 with it's 400mm (35mm equiv) built in zoom lens and also shot some with my D7200 using both the 18-140 kit lens and also using my 70-300 FX lens. With those cameras, little animals and little birds look like little animals and little birds. With the new s23Ultra they look like artificial renderings.
I lease my phone and my old contract expired so this seemed like the sensible move up from my s21Ultra., but honestly ...I"m not even slightly impressed based on any images I've taken so far.
Since most of the problems appear to be programmatically generated, I'm hoping Samsung can sort this out. The phone has had a couple of updates over the last few days so it could be one of those messed things up. All I know is that 50mp and 200mp images examined in Lightroom ...are unusable and there is no point in taking up space on any devices or Google Photos etc. with them.
Incidentally, I live in Lightroom and sometime use Photoshop and/or Topaz Photo Ai on some images that need work.
Using those programs I really haven't been able to do much with images shot with my old s21Ultra or this new s23Ultra. Lightroom and/or Photoshop (Camera Raw) can reduce sharpening and texture a bit and that does knock out some of the horrible digitization, but still, the images just don't compete with my cameras. Topaz Photo Ai seems to just amplify the problems, yet it does nice things with 'Camera' images.
Videos may be better, but as far as PHOTOGRAPHY goes, to me, IT'S ALL MARKETING and SAMSUNG NEEDS TO SERIOUSLY IMPROVE THE SOFTWARE!
Lol. Good luck with shooting 8K all the time with the 256gb storage
looks like most of the time your s21 has dirty cameras, why is there alot of smearing?
Luckily i waited for the reviews before upgrading from s22u to s23u.
Gonna wait for some software updates now or some new models...but in reality i'll probably end up waiting until next generation.
just wait for the next gen or the one after that if your phone is still in relatively good condition still.
Well, I don't disagree, but it's more complicated. There are so many scenarios with the main camera of the s23u where you can see a big difference in sharpness and texture level - a few might borderline over sharpness - but I am kind of biased because I know exactly how to find them after doing hundreds of shots versus the s22u. But on the other hand I am also "biased" in spotting many hdr related problems with the sky being cyan and the highlights being too yellow on the s23u that you see in this video without mentioning it. However, these color problems are expected to be fixed very soon.
Software Updates on brand new camera hardware is key. Just like the S22U had vs S21U. S23U will start to really shine a few weeks or months from now. Then there should be a new comparison made
I agree too. I like batery in s23u. I dislike blue sky photo. It makes fake too much, not better than s22u. But 23u camera in case night really very good.
Honestly, I'd be happy with the S21.
I have S22 Ultra and 23Ultra .... in 12mp and All zoom lens S22 Ultra is better only in 200MP in S23 is bit better.
Video on S22 In 8K has much more detials than s23Ultra but S23 is more stable. 4K IS ALSO SAME S23 HAS MORE DETAILS AND S23 HAS MORE STABLE LOOKING PHOTO
I don't trust this guy anymore
I usually only take photos of family and random food. Therefore, I'm keeping my S21 Ultra until the S24 arrives. Besides, I'm still in love with these rounded corners and the camera bump. ❤
I like that you are not shouting in this video
Love the video! You sound a lil bit down but I don't mind it, i believe it's bc of the amount of work you've got to put into this, hope you can get a lot out of it! I kinda wanted even more pics of ppl since it's most important for most ppl. Thanks Max! I appreciate you
Max’s voice is different 😅
Seems like he's just speaking lower since he's not home. In the other comparison, the other two people mentioned he was on a trip or something.
haha yup. I was using different microphones and in a hotel room.
I had S22Ultra for a year and now 23ultra i feellike i downgrade in 10 x zoom and 1080mp on s2 ultra better than 200mp on s23 ultra
S21 ultra is the best
why do you hate the S23 ULTRA so much though?
Not sure.
The jovial kids play was a great way to present some sense of the audio recording quality. But presenting a cetacean captivity theme park is really saddening as it normalises animal abuse as entertainment. Those ocean faring mammals would rather be free, that's a fact. #blackfish #thecove
Anyways, thanks for the helpful comparison. A demonstration of audio functions would always be appreciated!
Will only upgrade to s25 ultra from S22 ultra
Samsung isn't trying to sell cos the S23 Ultra is a very big upgrade, all round. And you're forgetting that they set the standard for innovation of smartphones this year, even for Apple